AAA talk in OM room 13.01

+LordBoc: we're talking about the current meta
Walreindicegod: Aaa is suspecting them rn
+LordBoc: not a future what if meta
+LordBoc: yeah and it could also not get banned
Walreindicegod: Thats highly unlikely
+LordBoc: the votes aren't that lopsided
+LordBoc: there are still a fair few who lean on DNB
Walreindicegod: Dnb?
+LordBoc: do not ban
Walreindicegod: Lemme guess stall players ruining formats again?
Siamato: Also ban requires 60% majority to occur now
+LordBoc: you dont play the tier at all do you
+LordBoc: yeah it needs a supermajority
Walreindicegod: I used to, until I realized FurScales was legal
+LordBoc: if we're talking about the future, iron valiant also will most likely get banned
Siamato: But it's kinda crazy people are not understanding what are the current issues with Furscales
+LordBoc: even if furscales stays funnily enough
Walreindicegod: Is val really thT oppressive?
%Clastia: i want furscales to stay for now
Siamato: Iron Valiant is too much with or without Furscales yeah
+LordBoc: because of the mixed set
Walreindicegod: I see
Walreindicegod: What does it run?
+LordBoc: i'd like to see how it plays out with home at least hmm but we'll see
+LordBoc: sflo is most common
Siamato: Nice arguments Clastia lol
Walreindicegod: That's what I thought
%Clastia: lmao theres a reason
%Clastia: mostly bc of the disarray itd cause so close to a major tour
Siamato: People just thinking it somehow holds things together and that's cool or they want to see Furscales in the meta up to some point where they will realize it's stupid or idk
%Clastia: furscales honestly does rn rbh
%Clastia: thats the scary part
Walreindicegod: Furscales is op
%Clastia: it is but everything rn is broken
%Sulo: [08:44:36] Walreindicegod: Lemme guess stall players ruining formats again?
%Sulo: ?
%Clastia: and mold breaker is super popular rn anyway which preys on furscales
Siamato: Absolutely not Clastia
%Clastia: also stall is like mid rn
Siamato: It doesn't hold
Siamato: The meta is currently setup and MU fish
Siamato: That's all
%Clastia: agreed
Walreindicegod: Yes ppl who want furscales are most definitely stall players
+LordBoc: ??
%Clastia: but furscales elps with most mus
%Sulo: LOL what
%Sulo: furscales r literally used on like most standard bo teams
%Sulo: not just stall
+LordBoc: on like ALL teams
Siamato: Furscales is like best options for HO too lol
+LordBoc: bo, balance, stall even HO lo
%Clastia: lmao wjhat stall is really mid rn and there are only 2 slots for furscales of 6
Siamato: Stall is def not the issue
%Clastia: its best on offense no joke
Walreindicegod: Sounds like a joke
%Clastia: furscales setup is by far the issue tho
Siamato: I think this is the best time to ban it with OM major coming
Siamato: Or you just want to assume AAA round will not be competitive
Siamato: At all
+LordBoc: when's OM majors taking place btw
%Clastia: next week
Siamato: Also I will maybe edit a bit my post on something I discussed with Jrdn, Aesf, atha, etc
%Clastia: also siamato furscales meta is better than dealing with a broken mon frenzy
Walreindicegod: Broken mon frenzy?
%Clastia: even if u ban everything itll take at least a few weeks
placuszek: i mean i think we will qb like 3-4 mons before majors
Siamato: Which is how MU reliant Furscales makes games
placuszek: no way dragonic catapult stays
%Clastia: i wouldnt say that as much as everything being broken rn
+LordBoc: if it's next week then the furscales suspect will technically not have gone through
+LordBoc: by the very start anyway
%Clastia: yeah
+LordBoc: the first qb's will probably go through mid rounds
%Clastia: round 2 min
+LordBoc: but there's probably a lot of cleanup that needs be done even ater the first major qb wave
+LordBoc: if furscales does go anyway
Siamato: So you guys just assuming because it's potentially too late for Major it should stay?
%Clastia: no its rather how late the effect would be
+LordBoc: i have a feeling there's gonna be a lot of offensive mons that haven't been in the limelight are gonna be a lot more terrifying
%Clastia: agreed
%Clastia: moldy is already rising so its even possible furscales takes a step back
Siamato: Well nobody said the contrary but AAA always banned a lot of things
%Clastia: over regenvest and intim
+LordBoc: although maybe I'm underestimating intim from last gen but even more tame things like kingambit sound pretty terrifying
+LordBoc: but we'll see i suppose
Natcrozma: which would be better
+LordBoc: we could always just technically ban 1000 things
Natcrozma: intim or the ruin ability
%Clastia: no we cant
%Clastia: we
%Clastia: only have 406 mons and we arent banning every move.+ ability
placuszek: isnt intim better than ruin unless a mon is like +4
%Clastia: yes
%Clastia: wait scrap its 401 mons
placuszek: clastia youre not ready to ban naclstack?
Siamato: And again
Natcrozma: naw im too afraid to ban flabebe
Siamato: You guys are just looking at what meta will potentially be
Siamato: Not what it is rn
Natcrozma: that one user is gonna hunt me down forever
Siamato: With the issues we have rn
placuszek: furscales on random offensive mons is so broken
+LordBoc: from personal experience I haven't found it "over"centralizing in terms of breaking through furscales
placuszek: so many random mons just beat other mons that have 2x or even 4x coverage
+LordBoc: furscales setup is a definitely a thing but I can find it hard to fit (although others say the opposite) and able to play around without MU fishing
+LordBoc: but i'm not gonna argue off this
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%longhiep341: I don't see FurScales being overwhelming
Siamato: It's about bulky setup and level of power mainly Lordboc
+LordBoc: since this is just personal experience
%longhiep341: But that's me, I also tend to run Taunt more often than most players
Siamato: Like bulky setup really is an issue
Siamato: You take this FC Taunt DD Gyara against longhiep341 stall and it just lose
Siamato: And you can't realistically be prep to every form of bulky setup
Siamato: And again
Siamato: Because GAG fish setup is also in the current meta
%longhiep341: I didn't lose to that
%longhiep341: (faced it once)
Siamato: So running Trick, Taunt, Whirlwind will not necessarily save you
placuszek: fc smash poltea is also such a dumb breaker
+LordBoc: I've faced a variety of furscales setup (and abused it a bunch) as well and there certainly is a lot of variety, a lot of the setup mons are also definitely less viable and way less effective
Siamato: And when we're saying Furscales doesn't hold things together it's about MU and ability to make progress in fact
Walreindicegod: How does Magic Coat interact against magic bounce
Siamato: Like a SL LO Chi-Yu should be an insane breaker
%longhiep341: It only bounces once
Walreindicegod: I know Mbounce be Mbounce is whoever launches first gets taunted
Siamato: And that's the case vs Scales Corv team usually
Siamato: It can make progress
Siamato: But if that's Scales Garga
Siamato: Deadweight
+LordBoc: gag fishing is also a rare thing i see occasionally but a lot of teams, even my teams that prepare for furscales setup who get owned by GaG often have a variety of offensive monsters in the tier able to nuke it
Siamato: You turn what should be a reliable breaker
Walreindicegod: Wtf is gag fish
Siamato: With amazing power
placuszek: good as gold breakers
+LordBoc: also i'm fairly sure sflo chi-yu can break garg
Siamato: Into something that will make nothing
Siamato: Just because you have the right Scales mon
Siamato: This is how MU fishy Furscales is
Siamato: We (atha, jrdn, aesf, volkner among others) are all saying it
Siamato: Bulky setup is a part of the issue
placuszek: +2 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ice Scales Garganacl: 175-207 (43.3 - 51.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Siamato: But saying Furscales holds things together isn't true
Siamato: Everything is too polarized
Siamato: So just have fun hoping you get the MU with your breakers not being walled and not losing to a "random" bulky setup
Charliezard7: is tera banned in AAA?
placuszek: yes
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Charliezard7: ight thx
Siamato: That's why gag is fishing atm LordBoc
Siamato: Because it loses to crazy breakers and isn't as reliable as Furscales setup
Charliezard7: does anyone think shher force ceruledge is any good with flare blitz?
Natcrozma: not good
Siamato: But it's a fishing that effectively bypass Furscales setup counterplay
Charliezard7: what set do you guys run on ceru
Charliezard7: for AAA
Siamato: Orichalcum Pulse/Dland
Siamato: With Bitter Blade
placuszek: or scales
Charliezard7: ok