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[19:15:51] (@M) [EmZee712] Defiler Map 03's extension - 42% complete : Defiler Map 22 - Started - 9% complete : Defiler's Deathmatch maps 03, 04, 12 - Completed : Defiler's Deathmatch map 01 - 49% complete
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[19:18:40] (Jroc) why dont you complete things for a change
[19:18:42] (Jroc) faggot
[19:18:55] (Jroc) disregard that, i suck cocks
[19:20:02] (@Carnevil) A here's another thing
[19:20:09] (@Carnevil) I always love it when people are like THIS IS 47% DONE
[19:20:10] (@Carnevil) It's like
[19:20:12] (@Carnevil) How do you know
[19:20:27] (@Carnevil) How on earth can you measure something in flux as much as map that precisely
[19:20:28] (@Kirb) My only finishing status: When I finish it, you fucker
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[19:20:36] (@Carnevil) Exactly, fucker
[19:20:36] (EmZee712) Because, when I'm doing it I know when I will be done
[19:20:44] (HeX9109) calculations of lumps compared to how many lumps you plan to have
[19:20:47] (HeX9109) DUH
[19:20:56] (EmZee712) I'm not THAT technical
[19:20:57] (@Carnevil) HeX9109: And all lumps take the same amount of time!!!
[19:21:08] (HeX9109) Its a perfect world
[19:21:12] (Jroc) the map lump is like 90% of most wads, unless youre making some monster or weapon mod
[19:21:18] (EmZee712) I'm building a deathmatch map so when it's just the layout of the map and the layout is done then it's 50%
[19:21:26] (EmZee712) Once I got details done, and weapons put in then thats 100%
[19:21:28] (infurnus) guys my .wad's creation date is from 2001
[19:21:32] (infurnus) therefore i spent 9 years on it
[19:21:34] (infurnus) praise me.
[19:21:41] (@Carnevil) 9 years!! OMG!
[19:21:43] (EmZee712) Depends on what wad it is
[19:21:46] (infurnus) 12 more years
[19:21:50] (@Kirb) Well, that doesn't say anything
[19:21:57] (@Kirb) Stronghold took what, 6 years?
[19:22:03] (@Kirb) And it's repetitive as fuck
[19:22:06] (Jroc) 60 years
[19:22:09] (@Kirb) Armageddon took less than half the time
[19:22:14] (@Kirb) And plays 10 times better
[19:22:14] (@Carnevil) Stronghold is amazing
[19:22:18] (@Carnevil) I just got done playing through it
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[19:22:20] (Jroc) what i read though
[19:22:22] (@Carnevil) Honestly, it's fantastic
[19:22:26] (@Kirb) Stronghold is average, imo
[19:22:27] (Jroc) stronghold was by no means constant development
[19:22:29] (infurnus) I can't get through all the maps in one sitting
[19:22:34] (@Carnevil) But it's the fashionable thing to troll Tormentor
[19:22:37] (EmZee712) Defiler is taking me a year, which is just a regular Coop wad in Doom 2 format
[19:22:38] (@Carnevil) So that's what people do
[19:22:46] (@Carnevil) But a ton of people worked on it
[19:22:47] (@Carnevil) Not just him
[19:22:52] (@Carnevil) And it's quality all around
[19:22:53] (infurnus) who mentioned tormentor
[19:22:53] (Jroc] (like you)
[19:22:54] (EmZee712) Which is basicly no excuse for me to get it done
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[19:23:14] (Jroc) i think what you have to do is see what impartial people say
[19:23:19] (Jroc) like the people at SA
[19:23:22] (@Kirb) I personally didn't like it
[19:23:23] (Jroc) and they all seem to lurve it
[19:23:28] (@Kirb) Nothing against Torm
[19:23:32] (@Kirb) I just didn't like that wad
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[19:23:50] (Jroc) i can understand not liking the gameplay
[19:23:55] (Jroc) but even if the gameplay sucked balls
[19:24:00] (EmZee712) I enjoyed Stronghold for a good hour, but after a while I basicly stopped liking the scenery and was tired of just fighting the monsters
[19:24:01] (Jroc) i still think the wad is a very impressive achievement
[19:24:09] (Jroc) its extremely well polished, very professional
[19:24:09] (@Carnevil) I agree, Jroc
[19:24:20] (@Kirb) The wad itself is full of impressive stuff, I'll give you that
[19:24:22] (Jroc) does lots of very clever things
[19:24:27] (@Kirb) But to me, the gameplay felt VERY repetitive
[19:24:30] (EmZee712) I did however really found the art magnificent
[19:24:36] (@Carnevil) And I'm surprised at how balanced the shop is
[19:24:40] (EmZee712) I always envy people who draw sprites and actually put them to good use
[19:24:44] (@Kirb) And Remmirath was talking to me at the beginning of the game.
[19:24:44] (@Carnevil) Like, the amount of money you earn from everything
[19:24:46] (@Kirb) :|
[19:24:48] (Jroc) i think its more fun when its online with lots of people
[19:24:50] (Jroc) but nobody plays it
[19:24:53] (EmZee712) I drew sprites before, and it is a bitch to do
[19:24:54] (@Carnevil) It gets played
[19:24:58] (infurnus) it reminds me of an average commercial product
[19:25:01] (@Carnevil) Not as much as it deserves, but it does
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[19:25:05] (@M) [PUSHSTARTTORICH] hi
[19:25:06] (@Carnevil) Yeah
[19:25:10] (@Carnevil) Which everyone gets for free, heh
[19:25:20] (infurnus) yeah I don't like that argument
[19:25:21] (Jroc) made by non professionals
[19:25:28] (infurnus) I think it should just be what it is
[19:25:34] (@Kirb) Yeah, that  argument is pretty irrelevant, man
[19:25:36] (@Kirb) After all
[19:25:45] (@Kirb) Isn't almost every other wad free
[19:25:47] (infurnus) no extra "bonuses" tacked on
[19:25:55] (@Carnevil) If we're comparing it to commercial products
[19:25:56] (@Carnevil) It's relevant
[19:26:06] (@Carnevil) Because for those, you actually have to sacrifice something to play it
[19:26:09] (Jroc) meh, i dont hold wads to the same standards as commercial games
[19:26:14] (@Kirb) meh, true Carn
[19:26:23] (infurnus) I wasn't comparing it, I just said it reminded me of them
[19:26:42] (@Carnevil) But I do agree the gameplay could be better
[19:26:44] (infurnus) in terms of the way it was put out
[19:26:47] (@Carnevil) I tried to correct a lot of it
[19:26:50] (@Kirb) Remind me to LEGALLY ACQUIRE Last Bastion, Carn
[19:26:52] (@Carnevil) But gameplay isn't Tormentor's strong suit
[19:26:53] (@Kirb) j/k
[19:27:03] (@Carnevil) But it still turned out fine I thought
[19:27:13] (@Carnevil) Some maps were pretty long, especially the last one
[19:27:15] (infurnus) it's basically "here's a bunch of stuff, and a bunch of things that change how you interact with the stuff" ie the maps and the store
[19:27:30] (infurnus) usually people just make the maps, or just make the items or gameplay changers
[19:27:34] (@Carnevil) But I think if you were playing them legitimately (correct skill, no cheats, etc.), they're more epic and challenging that dragging and dragging
[19:27:40] (@Carnevil) If you're playing too much easy stuff in a row
[19:27:43] (@Carnevil) Then yes, it drags
[19:27:57] (@Carnevil) But if you're challenged, it's different I think
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[19:28:04] (EmZee712) And when that easy stuff goes away and you're completely obliterated, then it begins to drag even more
[19:28:09] (@Carnevil) If you turn on god mode and start shooting, you're going to be bored as fuck
[19:28:15] (@Carnevil) EmZee712: Yes
[19:28:24] (@Carnevil) It gets pretty hard around tier 5
[19:28:24] (@Kirb) Who said we did that though, Canr
[19:28:26] (@Kirb) *Carn
[19:28:32] (@Carnevil) I'm sure some people did that
[19:28:34] (infurnus) I got killed in one map once, but my turrets were still up
[19:28:40] (@Carnevil) Considering some people are criticizing it who haven't even played it
[19:28:41] (infurnus) I stuck around instead of exiting and ended up "winning"
[19:28:46] (@Carnevil) I'm sure some people just ran though it with god mode
[19:28:48] (@Carnevil) And went BORING
[19:28:50] (EmZee712) I did, but to keep myself from getting bored I do alot of summonfriend marinechaingun to settle boredom
[19:28:58] (@Carnevil) heh
[19:29:02] (@Kirb) No, I legitly played through it on UV
[19:29:09] (@Carnevil) Have you beaten it?
[19:29:10] (Jroc) carnevil thats probably true
[19:29:19] (@Kirb) Nope, stopped around Tier 4
[19:29:22] (EmZee712) Alot of the time I find summoning friendly marines to be more helpful then actual players
[19:29:25] (@Carnevil) Ah
[19:29:33] (@Carnevil) Some of the tier 6 maps are fucking hard :(
[19:29:37] (infurnus) I just bought the turrets and invul
[19:29:38] (@Carnevil) I had to use a ton of strategy
[19:29:44] (@Carnevil) Which I thought made it very, very interesting
[19:29:48] (%Aabra) hey Carn
[19:29:48] (infurnus) I didn't really find the other stuff useful, maybe the weapon item
[19:29:51] (%Aabra) how ya been?
[19:29:52] (@Kirb) What I generally do is play through 25%-50% of a wad, and figure whether I want to keep going
[19:29:52] (@Carnevil) Hey Aabs
[19:29:57] (@Carnevil) I'm good man
[19:30:02] (@Kirb) For instance, City of the Damned, or whatever it was
[19:30:07] (@Carnevil) How about you
[19:30:12] (@Kirb) I played through a quarter, said "fuck yeah," and kept going
[19:30:27] (%Aabra) can't complain
[19:30:31] (@Carnevil) Nice
[19:30:36] (%Aabra) all is well in Mexico
[19:30:40] (@Carnevil) :)
[19:31:11] (EmZee712) Personally, I do enjoy the ocassional sit-down and defend type maps but I like it when people mix up those ideas and make it fast pace running through a map then suddenly bunkering down because you have to defend a objective
[19:31:33] (%Aabra) emzee
[19:31:40] (%Aabra) you should check out dungeon defenders then
[19:31:47] (@Carnevil) EmZee712: They did that
[19:31:51] (EmZee712) Were talking about .wads right>
[19:31:52] (EmZee712) ?
[19:31:55] (@Carnevil) There's like 5 different gameplay modes
[19:31:56] (%Aabra) pretty much is exactly what you described heh
[19:32:08] (@Carnevil) Deadline, limit, overmind, milestone, goal
[19:32:47] (EmZee712) I thought stronghold was a "Stay here, defend it" type wad
[19:33:00] (@Carnevil) Yes, but there's variations
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[19:33:40] (@Carnevil) It's not 100% the same shit all the time
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[19:34:50] (EmZee712) Well I would love to go and SP this myself to find out, if my computer wasn't acting slow and gay at this particular tie
[19:34:51] (EmZee712) time*
[19:37:23] (HeX9109) come play ctf
[19:38:55] (EmZee712) Yes, and be destroyed because my computer is lagging
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[19:50:24] (HeX9109) COME PLAY CTF
[19:51:07] (@Kirb) NO
[19:51:15] (@Kirb) Too busy working on a weaponset
[19:51:33] (@Kirb) Dun really gaf about anything else right now
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[19:58:25] (HeX9109) COME PLAY CTF
[19:58:30] (HeX9109) Carn is playing AND SO CAN YOU
[19:58:39] (@Carnevil) For now
[19:59:54] (@Kirb) Damn.
[20:00:28] (@Carnevil) And that's the end of that
[20:00:36] (@Carnevil) The average IQ of a pub CTFer < 8
[20:00:53] (@Kirb) nvm then
[20:01:03] (@Carnevil) I think I could make a bot that could simulate one pretty easily
[20:01:05] (@Kirb) Doomseeker just gave me a "Master Server Timeout" message
[20:01:09] (@Carnevil) It would just spam LAG and TEAMS over and over again
[20:01:20] (@Kirb) Carn: Offline Skirmish with 4 bots in a game of CTF
[20:01:21] (@Kirb) voila
[20:01:24] (@Kirb) Pub CTF
[20:01:27] (@Carnevil) And always join the wrong team to make the teams horribly imbalanced
[20:01:33] (@Carnevil) That would be better
[20:01:58] (HeX9109) No it was 4vs4 but that asshole switched from red to blue cuz we were winning
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[20:02:00] (HeX9109) so I banned him
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[20:02:03] (DevilHunter) Would be nice, but as you said in the forums long time ago, you lost the bot code... so...
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[20:02:36] * @Kirb suits up
[20:02:46] (@Kirb) I'm gonna boldly go where no man has gone before
[20:02:51] (@Kirb) INTO CARN'S HARD DRIVE
[20:02:56] (@Kirb) AND I WILL RECOVER THE BOTCODE
[20:02:59] (DevilHunter) Kirb...
[20:03:09] (DevilHunter) I would think by now Carn has nothing BUT the st client on hs hd
[20:03:16] (@Kirb) ...
[20:03:19] (DevilHunter) and Last Basterd
[20:03:21] (@Kirb) You have to ruin my dreams, huh
[20:03:21] (DevilHunter) :p
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[20:03:28] * @Kirb punches DevilHunter
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[20:03:36] (DevilHunter) not from you kirb, was hiding from carn :p