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  1. Corv R1
  2.  
  3. Ah Gou vs Superboy
  4.  
  5. * Ah Gou uses magic, Superboy weak to magic
  6.  
  7. * Superboy's speed is vague and Monochrome makes him slower
  8.  
  9. * Ah Gou will shoot Superboy at range and his bullets work in close range by changing directions
  10.  
  11. * Ah Gou can outlast Superboy in an extended fight through Monochrome
  12.  
  13. * Ah Gou's base strikes are enough to stagger Supeboy into a chained barrage
  14.  
  15. * He'll string his attacks with his other abilities
  16.  
  17. * Monochrome works defensively to block attacks and ranged abilities
  18.  
  19. * MFON will amp his rate of fire and can be used to block attacks
  20.  
  21. * Match is stronger than Superboy
  22.  
  23. Wonder Woman vs Rogue
  24.  
  25. * Diana is faster and the better fighter
  26.  
  27. * The Lasso can hinder Rogue and Diana's piercing would probably work
  28.  
  29. * Diana has relevant strength and Rogue doesn't have the necessary endurance to withstand a barrage
  30.  
  31. * Rogue isn't strong enough and Diana can block her claws
  32.  
  33. * Diana's sword gives her a skill and range advantage
  34.  
  35. * Diana is durable enough to fight Rogue
  36.  
  37. Xuan vs Orion
  38.  
  39. * Xuan is fast and skilled at dodging
  40.  
  41. * Xuan hits hard and fast
  42.  
  43. * Xuan can take advantage of debris to throw at Orion
  44.  
  45. * Xuan's fire is good for both offense and defense
  46.  
  47. * Orion's regen sucks
  48.  
  49. * Xuan is fine taking strong hits and being able to retaliate after
  50.  
  51. ***
  52.  
  53. Ame R1
  54.  
  55. Ah Gou vs Superboy
  56.  
  57. * Superboy isn't weak to magic as Corv describes it
  58.  
  59. * Monochrome doesn't halve reaction speed and hasn't been shown to halve something like TTK or heat vision
  60.  
  61. * TTK counters Monochrome stopping or throwing him and its pressure
  62.  
  63. * TTK can go through shielding
  64.  
  65. * AG doesn't open with Monochrome and doesn't continuously maintain it
  66.  
  67. * Superboy is faster and has better reflexes even when under Monochrome
  68.  
  69. * Superboy has better rate of fire and TTK means he doesn't need to do a full punch to deal relevant damage
  70.  
  71. * AG isn't durable and even halved attacks would KO him
  72.  
  73. * Superboy is tanky and can reflect projectiles
  74.  
  75. * AG is compared to Superboy's tractor feat, except Superboy was explicitly being drained of power there
  76.  
  77. * Superboy is too durable for AG and can interrupt chained attacks with TTK and speed
  78.  
  79. * Match scaling is valid
  80.  
  81. * TTK dismantles AG's weapons
  82.  
  83. Wonder Woman vs Rogue
  84.  
  85. * WW's speed feat is worse than described and Rogue is slightly faster
  86.  
  87. * Rogue's strength is consistently good and WW's given dura is pretty bad
  88.  
  89. * The claws can destroy the sword and shield
  90.  
  91. * Cheetah wasn't proven to be faster than WW, consistently cuts WW and has shorter claws than Rogue
  92.  
  93. * WW's base striking isn't enough and a tackle is hard to do against a faster opponent who has claws
  94.  
  95. * Rogue's durability is consistently good
  96.  
  97. * Rogue has strong piercing resist and good regen
  98.  
  99. * Rogue is skilled enough to hold her own
  100.  
  101. * The lasso wasn't proven to be invincible and Rogue wins a grappling contest, also has mind control resist
  102.  
  103. Xuan vs Orion
  104.  
  105. * Orion is fast enough to land some blows on Xuan
  106.  
  107. * Orion has fast and AOE blasts
  108.  
  109. * Orion will utilize grappling
  110.  
  111. * A feat Corv called comparable to Orion's striking broken Xuan's arm
  112.  
  113. * Orion's strength and blasts are more than capable of wearing Xuan down
  114.  
  115. * Xuan's premier strength feat required long charging
  116.  
  117. * Xuan's kick takes too long and isn't enough to injure Orion
  118.  
  119. * Orion has good heat resist
  120.  
  121. ***
  122.  
  123. Corv R1
  124.  
  125. Ah Gou vs Superboy
  126.  
  127. * Magic obviously affects Kon
  128.  
  129. * Monochrome can affect light and TTK
  130.  
  131. * AG times Monochrome, the surprise from Kon's strength being halved will open him to free hits
  132.  
  133. * Monochrome has strong pressure and will be used strategically
  134.  
  135. * Monochrome counters TTK
  136.  
  137. * Kon's speed is sus
  138.  
  139. Wonder Woman vs Rogue
  140.  
  141. * The guns aren't MP5, probably an AR which is fast
  142.  
  143. * Rogue needs wind up for her best hit
  144.  
  145. * WW doesn't need wind up to deal good damage and has good aerial CQC skill
  146.  
  147. * Cheetah is faster because she performs more attacks
  148.  
  149. * Darkseid's lifting is strong and the Lasso is effective in combat
  150.  
  151. * WW has stronger piercing and her gear won't be cut
  152.  
  153. * Rogue's piercing resist is worse than argued
  154.  
  155. * WW is a more skilled fighter
  156.  
  157. Xuan vs Orion
  158.  
  159. * Xuan is much faster and more skilled
  160.  
  161. * Orion's feats rely on windup
  162.  
  163. * Xuan has good endurance and can set broken bones
  164.  
  165. ***
  166.  
  167. Judgements
  168.  
  169. Ame drops so Corv wins, but here are my thoughts on the debate, despite it being unfinished.
  170.  
  171. Ah Gou vs Superboy
  172.  
  173. I think Corv does a good job at showing Superboy is vulnerable to magic, but it's a moot point regardless. Corv never actually proves Ah Gou uses magic. While his powers are obviously supernatural, I don't it you can immediately assume "godly energy power" from one series is equivalent to DC magic. However, Corv does convince me that Monochrome will affect and halve the power of TTK and heat vision. But, I'm still not impressed with Ah Gou's physical stats. Even while being halved, I think Kon is still strong, fast, and durable enough to put Ah Gou down.
  174.  
  175. Wonder Woman vs Rogue
  176.  
  177. Both are comparably fast bricks that rely on a mixture of physical strength and piercing. I think Rogue has the better strength and durability, but Wonder Woman has the better skill and piercing. I don't really buy Corv's argument that the Lasso should be implicitly indestructible because it's never been threatened in series or that WW's gear's durability scales to their piercing power. Overall, it's a pretty close fight, but I think Wonder Woman's skill and lethal fighting style aided by her Lasso, would mean she's more likely to land a killing blow.
  178.  
  179. Xuan vs Orion
  180.  
  181. I think Corv does a great job at establishing Xuan's speed and how he'll utilize it. I think Xuan handily takes this fight as is due to his good strength and speed. Ame describes Orion's strength as being able to wear Xuan down, but I think this isn't effective enough considering the speed disparity. Corv shows Xuan is capable of dodging and retaliating after taking big hits, a blow from Orion wouldn't be enough to bring down Xuan's endurance.
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