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[22:17] <Guest26468> hello
[22:17] <Guest26468> kick me
[22:17] <Guest26468> fucking coward
[22:18] <Anne_Frank> I can't I don't have mod powers
[22:18] <Guest26468> i schooled that fucking Scot on his own philosophical tradition
[22:18] <Anne_Frank> on IRC at least
[22:18] <Guest26468> than do it in the game
[22:19] <Guest26468> my only friend suggests a book about making new friends
[22:19] <Anne_Frank> well did you try reading it?
[22:22] <Guest26468> it's a book capitalists think makes sense
[22:23] <Guest26468> it's a nonsense book that liberal-arts majors tell themselves is great so they don't feel so bad about making 100k a year
[22:23] <Guest26468> im a fucking poet not a fucking moron
[22:25] <Guest26468> im mentally ill suicidal drunk and high
[22:25] <Anne_Frank> well it probably is, but what if there's an off chance it helps you
[22:25] <Anne_Frank> would you do it?
[22:26] <Guest26468> i'd do anything if i could
[22:27] <Guest26468> but im not a fucking moron
[22:28] <Guest26468> r u the one that muted me?
[22:30] <Anne_Frank> I am indeed
[22:30] <Guest26468> god dam n
[22:30] <Guest26468> what a hero
[22:30] <Guest26468> can i shake your hand?
[22:30] <Anne_Frank> if you can make it to my house, sure
[22:30] <Guest26468> didn't you have swastika flair in the subreddit?
[22:31] <Anne_Frank> I don't think so
[22:31] <Guest26468> pls
[22:31] <Guest26468> don't bullshit me
[22:31] <Anne_Frank> ankhmorpork did, but I never dd
[22:31] <Anne_Frank> did*
[22:31] <Anne_Frank> his flair was "walking my mods" or something like that wth the dog on leash donger guy
[22:32] <Guest26468> vote me coward
[22:32] <Anne_Frank> you're not in game
[22:32] <Guest26468> fucking coward
[22:32] <Guest26468> put a ban on me for abusing mods
[22:32] <Anne_Frank> no u
[22:33] <Guest26468> property is theft
[22:33] <Anne_Frank> how so?
[22:34] <Guest26468> are you fucking kidding me?
[22:34] <Guest26468> so you believe the fucking morons in the 17th century that said property is a god-granted right?
[22:35] <Guest26468> there is no true right to "property" so "property" is theft
[22:35] <Guest26468> there is no free will
[22:35] <Anne_Frank> no god-granted, but if property is theft, then who are they stealing it from?
[22:35] <Guest26468> all of mankind
[22:35] <Anne_Frank> what about my computer
[22:35] <Guest26468> the individual fucking over the collective
[22:35] <Guest26468> that doesnt fuck over the collective
[22:35] <Anne_Frank> what you're saying sounds a bit like communism
[22:36] <Anne_Frank> kind of a hive mind thought process
[22:36] <Guest26468> you can't jump from the reality that property rights are nonsense to the idea that nothing matters
[22:36] <Anne_Frank> where property belongs to everyone
[22:36] <Guest26468> of course it does
[22:36] <Guest26468> who else?
[22:36] <Guest26468> some fucking idiot born into it?
[22:36] <Guest26468> why is that right?
[22:36] <Anne_Frank> so if I were to catch a fish, why would it belong to everyone, instead of just me?
[22:36] <Guest26468> here's the thing
[22:36] <Anne_Frank> am I to split a fish between everyone?
[22:37] <Guest26468> inherently yes
[22:37] <Guest26468> but sometimes it makes sense to just give the whole thing to you
[22:37] <Guest26468> there are two issues at hand here
[22:37] <Anne_Frank> that fish could belong to anyone, but when I put in the effort and succeed in catching it, it is mine to eat
[22:37] <Guest26468> only because it usually profits the people the most to let you do that
[22:38] <Guest26468> you have no "inherent" right to it
[22:38] <Guest26468> but it makes sense to give it to you in many cases
[22:38] <Guest26468> but not all
[22:38] <Anne_Frank> can I have an example where it doesnt?
[22:39] <Guest26468> when your whole tribe is starving and 1/nth of a piece of fish will keep them alive
[22:39] <Guest26468> if the UTILITY
[22:39] <Guest26468> is higher from sharing
[22:39] <Guest26468> than it is right to share it
[22:39] <Guest26468> there are no inherent rights
[22:39] <Anne_Frank> but it is mine to share
[22:39] <Guest26468> what matters is which action makes the most people happy
[22:39] <Guest26468> no
[22:39] <Guest26468> there is no such thing as property rights
[22:40] <Anne_Frank> but there is
[22:40] <Guest26468> a bunch of property owners 400 years ago argued there is
[22:40] <Guest26468> but they are wong
[22:40] <Guest26468> wrong
[22:40] <Anne_Frank> how are they wrong
[22:40] <Guest26468> if you catch a fish and keep it will others die, you have done wrong
[22:40] <Guest26468> while others die*
[22:41] <Anne_Frank> if my whole tribe is starving, one fish split 40 ways isn't going to do much, woudn't it be better to select who to share it with so instead of 40 of us dying 1 day later, 5-10 of us may survive to live on?
[22:41] <Guest26468> the thing is
[22:41] <Guest26468> now you are thinking my way
[22:41] <Guest26468> even if you don't realize it
[22:41] <Guest26468> split it however saves the most people
[22:41] <Guest26468> that's what is right
[22:42] <Guest26468> "keeping it" because it is "yours" is what is wrong
[22:42] <Anne_Frank> that's the humanitarian thing to do, but is not required
[22:42] <Guest26468> sure it is
[22:42] <Anne_Frank> what if I never went fishing at all
[22:42] <Guest26468> of course it is
[22:42] <Guest26468> here's the thing
[22:42] <Guest26468> it's not
[22:42] <Anne_Frank> why would I rely on someone else to keep me alive?
[22:42] <Guest26468> "bad" to be wong
[22:42] <Guest26468> wrong
[22:42] <Guest26468> thats the problem
[22:43] <Guest26468> if you never went fishing it would be wrong but you are not necessarily "blamable"
[22:43] <Guest26468> blame is another action
[22:43] <Guest26468> and so if someone should be "blamed" is up to it's utility as an action
[22:43] <Guest26468> blame people if blaming them makes the world a better place
[22:43] <Guest26468> usually it doesn't
[22:44] <Guest26468> that doesn't mean they were "right" though
[22:44] <Guest26468> being wrong and being blamable are two different criteria
[22:44] <Anne_Frank> so if it was my job to fish, and I didn't would I be blammed?
[22:45] <Guest26468> it depends on if "blaming" you ends up making everyone better off or not
[22:45] <Guest26468> sometimes it will, most of the time it probably won't
[22:45] <Anne_Frank> so instead I should be comforted?
[22:45] <Guest26468> hell why not?
[22:45] <Guest26468> if it makes your fish better tomorrow?
[22:45] <Anne_Frank> If I were in a village and my job was to provide food for everyone, and I failed at my job due to me just not wanting to
[22:45] <Anne_Frank> I should not be comforted
[22:46] <Guest26468> it depends
[22:46] <Anne_Frank> blaming wouldn't help, but neither would being comforted
[22:46] <Guest26468> what if shaming you makes it harder for you to do your job tomorrow?
[22:46] <Anne_Frank> what if it motives me though
[22:47] <Guest26468> that's the question though
[22:47] <Anne_Frank> who's to know what actioin it has on me until after it occurs
[22:47] <Anne_Frank> you have to do one or the other to know
[22:47] <Guest26468> you are accepting that there is no inherent right
[22:47] <Anne_Frank> if my job were to fish, I would expect something in return though
[22:47] <Guest26468> you getting paid for your work, sometimes it helps the collective, sometimes it doesn't
[22:47] <Anne_Frank> someone else's job would be to get water or something
[22:48] <Guest26468> you were born in a capitalistic society where that is true tho
[22:48] <Anne_Frank> yes, that is how society has pretty much always functioned though
[22:48] <Guest26468> LOL
[22:48] <Guest26468> man lived for 40000 years before agriculture
[22:49] <Anne_Frank> I understand that, but then we evolved, as did our ways of life
[22:49] <Guest26468> and 7500 years before modern society was founded by Plato et al
[22:49] <Guest26468> no
[22:49] <Guest26468> im saying modern evolutionary "man" as he is, lived for 40,000 years before he joined into an agricultural society
[22:50] <Anne_Frank> I disagree, may has evolved much since then
[22:50] <Anne_Frank> we are no longer hunter-gatherers for one
[22:50] <Guest26468> but that wasn't an evolution so much as a cultural shift
[22:50] <Anne_Frank> I think you might have the wrong "evolve" in your mind right now
[22:50] <Anne_Frank> I see what you mean
[22:50] <Anne_Frank> we didn't genetically evolve
[22:50] <Anne_Frank> but we did culturally evolve
[22:50] <Guest26468> the thing is though you are still accepting that "what creates the best outcome" is what is "best"
[22:51] <Guest26468> you're agreeing with me that inherent rights do not exist
[22:51] <Guest26468> so long as they don't create what is "best"
[22:51] <Anne_Frank> but I'm not lol
[22:51] <Guest26468> LOL u r tho
[22:52] <Anne_Frank> I believe that what's mine is mine, and what's your is yours. and If it benifits us both, we may share some items between us, but it is up to us to decide how much of OUR stuff we want to give in exchange for YOUR stuff
[22:52] <Guest26468> it is ultimately up to what creates the best balance, imo
[22:52] <Anne_Frank> that trade may be in exchange for other goods, or a standard, like money
[22:52] <Guest26468> it MIGHT be
[22:52] <Guest26468> but maybe not
[22:53] <Guest26468> a gay man pretended to not know who i am tonight
[22:53] <Guest26468> shud i delete him from my contacts?
[22:54] <Guest26468> just did tbh
[22:54] <Guest26468> kick me coward
[22:54] <Anne_Frank> I was enjoying our debate though
[22:57] <Guest26468> free will is an illusion
[22:58] <Anne_Frank> so why would I not have a choice to give up some of my goods/servies
[22:58] <Guest26468> because the universe determined your desire/want to give up those goods/services
[22:58] <Guest26468> your brain is physical
[22:59] <Anne_Frank> so you're assuming that people are all inherently good?
[23:00] <Anne_Frank> and have the same desire to help people?
[23:00] <Guest26468> no of course not
[23:00] <Guest26468> but your level of "inherent" good is out of your control
[23:01] <Anne_Frank> So you think they are set in the levels and will act accordingly? no doubt in people's minds that are right in between?
[23:01] <Guest26468> if they change, it's only because of normal physical laws
[23:01] <Anne_Frank> what about other factors besides laws
[23:01] <Guest26468> that are out of their control
[23:01] <Anne_Frank> such as other human interaction
[23:02] <Guest26468> who you contact is ultimately out of your control
[23:02] <Guest26468> same physical laws led you to it
[23:02] <Anne_Frank> but you can go out of your way to help/hurt others
[23:02] <Guest26468> but only because you were raised to/or born with the desire to
[23:03] <Anne_Frank> or are being exchanged a good/service to do so
[23:03] <Guest26468> your desire to "go out of your way" is controlled by the same physical laws
[23:03] <Guest26468> your desire to accept that good/service is out of your control for the same reasons
[23:03] <Anne_Frank> what "physical laws" are these?
[23:04] <Guest26468> capital-P physics that control the neurons in your brain
[23:05] <Guest26468> i give up tbh im running out of alcohol in my blood
[23:05] <Anne_Frank> go to bed, i'll be around to continue this convo at a later date if you want
[23:05] <Anne_Frank> I enjoyed it
[23:05] <Guest26468> :) :) bye bye anne
[23:06] <Anne_Frank> Have a good night, PM me on reddt anytime
[23:06] <Anne_Frank> psychfan5
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