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Mik vs Stalin 2, Embrace's Judgement

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  1. * Speed
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  3. * Gein is fast: Stalin's scaling is sufficient, and Kenshin's RT is in Gein's RT. I don't intuitatively grasp why sword swings are less repeatable than guns or screams, and the telegraphing argument didn't go in depth enough for me to buy Gein as substantially slower than everyone else.
  4. * Lady is fast, I think she and Trish move fast enough relative to supersonic projectiles that them moving slow visually isn't enough for me to dismiss her feats, particularly when they move fast in some of Stalin's feats and Mik's feats seem to be pinpointing on one part of the fight in particular.
  5. * Ivy is fast- I think scaling to bullet timers is sufficient for vine generations speed, and more over Mik's debunk of the sniper feat doesn't have enough warrants for me to buy that her reactions are bad.
  6. * Shooter is fast – I don't really care about Stalin's arguments in their second response because he conceded Shooter shoots first in a context where he was arguing his characters as bullet timing and gave Mik no expectation that Shooter's speed feats could be attacked
  7. * Librarian is fast – he has a clear cut bullet timing feat such that "he only moves his neck fast" is an insufficient debunk.
  8. * Siryn is fast, I think Stalin was close to debunking her but ultimately doesn't give enough warrants to indicate that she yells substantially slower. The debate about her screaming speed seems superficial as I don't see a huge distinction between transonic and somewhat supersonic. The "flying speed is slow" wasn't captivating mainly because I think the nature of her offense matters substantially more than what happens afterwards.
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  10. * Mik's offense vs Stalin's defense
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  12. * Siryn's screams are effective vs Lady (vague explosion is vague) and Ivy (Incapped by rocks), Gein had sufficient evidence (taking Kenshin's blows) that I think he can take the initial onslaught
  13. * Shooter's bullets are effective against Lady (no piercing durability) and Ivy (but not her vines) and is not effective against Gein (anti-slash armor)
  14. * Librarian mogs Lady or Ivy if he hits them but takes multiple hits to hurt Gein
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  16. * Stalin's offense vs Mik's defense
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  18. * Lady's bullets can hurt Shooter and Siryn but not the Librarian
  19. * Gein mogs Shooter or Siryn if he hits them but takes multiple hits to hurt the Librarian
  20. * Ivy's vines can poison and hypnotize Mik's team, and restrain them.
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  22. * How I think the fight goes
  23. * Shooter shoots. Ivy reacts, bringing up a vine and blocks. Gein reacts, dodges or not doesn't matter because he tanks the bullet either way. Lady reacts and dodges.
  24. * Siryn screams with AoE that affects Stalin's team but not her allies. Lady and Ivy go down. Gein remains
  25. * 3v1 with Gein vs Mik's team ensues. I think that Gein and the Librarian are relatively equal, Shooter does nothing, and Siryn provides a relative advantage
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  27. >!Mik wins!<
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