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  1. ### Log session started at Thu Feb 21 00:00:00 2013 ###
  2. [01:07:13] AnDwHaT5 [[email protected]] has joined #stary
  3. [01:07:41] <AnDwHaT5> ok im here
  4. [01:09:38] <@Stary2001> ok
  5. [01:09:42] <@Stary2001> well, it certainly seems interesting
  6. [01:09:43] tiin57 [[email protected]] has joined #stary
  7. [01:09:46] <@Stary2001> HES ALIVE
  8. [01:09:51] <tiin57> Indeed
  9. [01:10:12] <AnDwHaT5> yup
  10. [01:10:20] immibis [[email protected]] has joined #stary
  11. [01:10:31] <@Stary2001> !flags +AOoVv immibis
  12. [01:10:31] *DerpServ* Usage: FLAGS #stary [target] [flags]
  13. [01:10:36] <@Stary2001> oops wrong way
  14. [01:10:41] <@Stary2001> !flags immbis +AOoVv
  15. [01:10:41] *DerpServ* immbis is not registered.
  16. [01:10:42] <tiin57> :(
  17. [01:10:42] Lyqyd [[email protected]] has joined #stary
  18. [01:10:45] <tiin57> Me too?
  19. [01:10:47] <@Stary2001> !flags immibis +AOoVv
  20. [01:10:48] *DerpServ* Flags +AOVov were set on immibis in #stary.
  21. [01:10:48] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +AOVov on immibis.
  22. [01:10:49] <tiin57> :P
  23. [01:10:50] <@Stary2001> !flags tiin57 +AOoVv
  24. [01:10:51] *DerpServ* Flags +AOVov were set on tiin57 in #stary.
  25. [01:10:51] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +AOVov on tiin57.
  26. [01:10:55] <@Stary2001> !flags Lyqyd +AOoVv
  27. [01:10:55] *DerpServ* Flags +AOVov were set on Lyqyd in #stary.
  28. [01:10:55] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +AOVov on Lyqyd.
  29. [01:10:55] <tiin57> XD
  30. [01:10:58] <@Stary2001> OP FOR ALL
  31. [01:10:59] <@Stary2001> \o/
  32. [01:11:02] <tiin57> Lol
  33. [01:11:11] immibis [[email protected]] has left #stary
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  35. [01:11:13] DerpServ [[email protected]] has set mode +o immibis
  36. [01:11:13] <AnDwHaT5> lol
  37. [01:11:14] <@Stary2001> !op tiin57 Lyqyd immibis
  38. [01:11:14] <Shocky2> You already are an op, dumbass.
  39. [01:11:15] *DerpServ* tiin57 Lyqyd immibis is not online.
  40. [01:11:19] <@Stary2001> Damnit!
  41. [01:11:22] Lyqyd [[email protected]] has left #stary
  42. [01:11:22] <@Stary2001> [01:11:15] *DerpServ* tiin57 Lyqyd immibis is not online.
  43. [01:11:25] Lyqyd [[email protected]] has joined #stary
  44. [01:11:25] DerpServ [[email protected]] has set mode +o Lyqyd
  45. [01:11:26] immibis [[email protected]] has set mode +o Lyqyd
  46. [01:11:30] <@Lyqyd> There we go.
  47. [01:11:31] immibis [[email protected]] has set mode +o tiin57
  48. [01:11:33] <@Stary2001> Better.
  49. [01:11:41] <@Stary2001> Well, now we have that sorted, hello AnDwHaT5
  50. [01:11:43] <@tiin57> So, AnDwHaT5... Do you know what an http server is? Really?
  51. [01:11:49] <@Stary2001> Could you tell us about your idea?
  52. [01:11:54] <@tiin57> Or that.
  53. [01:13:43] <AnDwHaT5> well simply when you use http.create("site", "programhere") it will post to the forums the site and program but not visible to everyone else (the program i mean) and when you use http.connect("site") then it will connect you to the site and launch the program
  54. [01:14:16] <AnDwHaT5> if it is a chat with in the coding it will state that you will get updates
  55. [01:14:18] <@Stary2001> So it's a way to host programs except REALLY crappy?
  56. [01:14:23] <@tiin57> Um
  57. [01:14:27] <@Stary2001> and the forums aren't going to be TOUCHED
  58. [01:14:28] <AnDwHaT5> like a constant http.connect
  59. [01:14:41] <@tiin57> Yeah... There are a couple flaws with that.
  60. [01:14:47] <@Stary2001> !flags tiin57 +r
  61. [01:14:47] *DerpServ* Flags +r were set on tiin57 in #stary.
  62. [01:14:47] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +r on tiin57.
  63. [01:14:48] <AnDwHaT5> like?
  64. [01:14:52] <@Stary2001> !flags Lyqyd +r
  65. [01:14:52] <@immibis> so basically you allow people to upload things to the forum
  66. [01:14:53] *DerpServ* Flags +r were set on Lyqyd in #stary.
  67. [01:14:53] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +r on Lyqyd.
  68. [01:14:56] <@Stary2001> !flags immibis +r
  69. [01:14:56] *DerpServ* Flags +r were set on immibis in #stary.
  70. [01:14:56] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +r on immibis.
  71. [01:14:57] <@Stary2001> there we go
  72. [01:14:58] <@tiin57> What user?
  73. [01:15:12] <@immibis> are you just suggesting a function that uploads things to the forum?
  74. [01:15:14] <AnDwHaT5> kinda but not exactly
  75. [01:15:26] <@tiin57> What forum user will be used to post to the site?
  76. [01:15:26] [PRIVMSG >>> tiin57,immibis,Lyqyd]: +r is kick,ban,unban,kickban
  77. [01:15:30] <@immibis> "constant updates" are impossible with HTTP
  78. [01:15:33] <AnDwHaT5> if it was update to forums like what you think it will get spammed
  79. [01:15:42] <@immibis> HTTP is just: ask for URL, get data
  80. [01:15:48] <AnDwHaT5> yes
  81. [01:15:53] <AnDwHaT5> and when it gets it
  82. [01:15:54] <@tiin57> So...
  83. [01:15:59] <AnDwHaT5> after http.success
  84. [01:16:08] <AnDwHaT5> then it will look again
  85. [01:16:16] <AnDwHaT5> and that will update it
  86. [01:16:18] <@immibis> so it keeps looking constantly?
  87. [01:16:19] <AnDwHaT5> else
  88. [01:16:23] <@immibis> that's wasting a heck of a lot of bandwidth
  89. [01:16:26] <AnDwHaT5> if fail then
  90. [01:16:31] <@tiin57> You realize that the forums cannot do that?
  91. [01:16:36] [PRIVMSG >>> tiin57]: get !kickban ready!
  92. [01:16:36] <AnDwHaT5> it is not availible
  93. [01:16:41] <@tiin57> We'd have to modify IP board
  94. [01:16:43] <@tiin57> Heavily
  95. [01:16:44] [PRIVMSG >>> immibis]: get !kickban ready!
  96. [01:16:46] <AnDwHaT5> it is a example
  97. [01:16:51] <@immibis> tiin57: it would be a different web app on the same server
  98. [01:16:56] <@Stary2001> Don't piggyback off the forums.
  99. [01:17:11] <@tiin57> Ah, ok
  100. [01:17:22] <AnDwHaT5> no i used the forums as a example to show a site
  101. [01:17:29] <@tiin57> Still, massive bandwidth waste and threading issues as well
  102. [01:17:32] <@tiin57> Ok
  103. [01:17:35] <AnDwHaT5> true
  104. [01:17:50] <AnDwHaT5> would there be a better way to do this kinda idea
  105. [01:17:52] <@Stary2001> yes
  106. [01:17:59] <@tiin57> Make a custom repo
  107. [01:18:02] <AnDwHaT5> connect computers in different games
  108. [01:18:04] <@tiin57> As several have done
  109. [01:18:18] <@tiin57> With lua programs for uploading and downloading
  110. [01:18:18] <AnDwHaT5> a custom repo??
  111. [01:18:33] [PRIVMSG >>> tiin57,immibis,Lyqyd]: SO glad for logs.
  112. [01:18:38] <@tiin57> Requires lua and php/js knowledge
  113. [01:18:38] [PRIVMSG >>> tiin57,immibis,Lyqyd]: on by default
  114. [01:18:44] <@Stary2001> /js?
  115. [01:18:48] <@Stary2001> why?
  116. [01:18:51] <@tiin57> Javascript
  117. [01:18:59] <@Stary2001> .. "why?"
  118. [01:19:01] <@immibis> a custom repo = set up your own server, with your own code on the server that lets it accept uploads
  119. [01:19:09] <@tiin57> If you like JavaScript better than PHP
  120. [01:19:13] <@Stary2001> Aah, node.js
  121. [01:19:16] <@Stary2001> i forgot about that.
  122. [01:19:16] <@Stary2001> :p
  123. [01:19:19] <AnDwHaT5> well i know some js
  124. [01:19:34] <@tiin57> Security would be an issue
  125. [01:19:53] <@tiin57> What's to stop someone from uploading malicious scripts?
  126. [01:20:02] <AnDwHaT5> very true
  127. [01:20:04] [PRIVMSG >>> tiin57,immibis,Lyqyd]: If we're feeling evil, we can exploit this guys site. Maybe just change all pages to secure your stuff while making a site backup
  128. [01:20:15] <AnDwHaT5> but its not like it to your phisical comp
  129. [01:20:22] <AnDwHaT5> its to your cc
  130. [01:20:29] <@immibis> tiin57: nothing, but it doesn't need to - does your router stop you uploading malicious scripts?
  131. [01:20:36] <@tiin57> Right.
  132. [01:20:42] <@Stary2001> uploads with anything are a problem.
  133. [01:20:44] <@immibis> of course, it needs to make sure you can't upload malicious scripts and make the server run them by mistake
  134. [01:20:57] <@tiin57> Yeah
  135. [01:21:00] <AnDwHaT5> whats the worst that can happen it takes out your cc
  136. [01:21:02] <@immibis> eg: if you're using PHP, you don't want someone to upload a file called test.php, then have the server run it when they download it
  137. [01:21:03] <@Stary2001> Hell, the first level of smashthestack's logic wargame is based around a crappy upload!
  138. [01:21:21] <AnDwHaT5> well accualy nvm
  139. [01:21:21] <@Stary2001> It's DESIGNED to be pwned
  140. [01:21:38] <@Stary2001> so.. protect your uploads
  141. [01:21:53] <@immibis> how's that a valid argument?
  142. [01:21:56] <AnDwHaT5> now that i think about it someone could code it in java and then once downl,oaded it goes out of the saves file
  143. [01:22:22] <@Stary2001> ..
  144. [01:22:23] <@Stary2001> wut
  145. [01:22:29] <AnDwHaT5> but you could make a good firewall
  146. [01:22:33] <@tiin57> Um
  147. [01:22:35] <@tiin57> No?
  148. [01:22:42] <AnDwHaT5> like if it isnt coded in lua then reject it
  149. [01:22:44] <@tiin57> CC can't execute Java code
  150. [01:22:52] <AnDwHaT5> no0t that
  151. [01:23:01] <AnDwHaT5> it will be saved into your comp file
  152. [01:23:05] <@tiin57> Yeah
  153. [01:23:23] <@Stary2001> oh boy, just wait for someone to make a <language of choice> / lua polyglot and watch that protection go WOMPF
  154. [01:23:33] <@tiin57> There is no way to execute Java code using CC.
  155. [01:23:34] <AnDwHaT5> then after the java from the folder can be activvated by your real comp since its in the .minecraft
  156. [01:23:39] <@immibis> Stary2001: what exactly would it protect from if all uploads had to be valid lua?
  157. [01:23:44] <AnDwHaT5> then will be transfered like a virus
  158. [01:23:45] <@Stary2001> nothing
  159. [01:23:58] <@immibis> what would it be supposed to protect you from?
  160. [01:24:07] <@tiin57> You would have to actively execute the file
  161. [01:24:14] <AnDwHaT5> well useing key features that lua has
  162. [01:24:31] <@tiin57> There's as much danger of that as there is someone downloading malicious C++ code
  163. [01:24:42] <@tiin57> It just won't get executed
  164. [01:24:44] <AnDwHaT5> like put a piece of code into the firewall that would be in lua
  165. [01:24:53] <AnDwHaT5> if it dosnt have it then it will reject
  166. [01:25:02] <@tiin57> And malicious code sitting on a hard drive does nothing until executed.
  167. [01:25:11] <AnDwHaT5> hmm true
  168. [01:25:30] <AnDwHaT5> unles it acivates upon boot
  169. [01:25:37] <@Stary2001> Ehh, if you had a crappily configured webserver it would be a problem.
  170. [01:25:40] <AnDwHaT5> but lol
  171. [01:25:45] <AnDwHaT5> that wont happen
  172. [01:26:28] <@tiin57> No
  173. [01:26:42] <@tiin57> You would have to... It's not possible
  174. [01:27:00] Cruor [[email protected]] has joined #stary
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  176. [01:27:05] <Cruor> why .-.
  177. [01:27:16] <@tiin57> Hai.
  178. [01:27:27] Cruor face keyboards
  179. [01:27:38] <@tiin57> !flags Cruor +AOVovr
  180. [01:27:42] <@tiin57> Oh
  181. [01:27:52] <@Stary2001> !flags tiin57 +f
  182. [01:27:53] *DerpServ* Flags +f were set on tiin57 in #stary.
  183. [01:27:53] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +f on tiin57.
  184. [01:27:57] <@Stary2001> !flags immibis +f
  185. [01:27:58] *DerpServ* Flags +f were set on immibis in #stary.
  186. [01:27:58] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +f on immibis.
  187. [01:28:01] <@Stary2001> !flags Lyqyd +f
  188. [01:28:01] *DerpServ* Flags +f were set on Lyqyd in #stary.
  189. [01:28:01] *ChanServ* Stary2001 set flags +f on Lyqyd.
  190. [01:28:05] <@Stary2001> might as well
  191. [01:28:08] <@tiin57> !flags Cruor +AOVovr
  192. [01:28:08] *ChanServ* tiin57 set flags +AOVorv on Cruor.
  193. [01:28:09] <@immibis> what's +f?
  194. [01:28:10] <@Stary2001> you can now change flags
  195. [01:28:20] <@Stary2001> "+f Enables modification of channel access lists."
  196. [01:28:23] DerpServ [[email protected]] has set mode +o Cruor
  197. [01:28:25] <@tiin57> !flags gamax92 +AOVovr
  198. [01:28:26] *ChanServ* tiin57 set flags +AOVorv on gamax92.
  199. [01:28:31] <gamax92> :/
  200. [01:28:34] <@Stary2001> !op gamax92
  201. [01:28:35] <Shocky2> You already are an op, dumbass.
  202. [01:28:35] DerpServ [[email protected]] has set mode +o gamax92
  203. [01:28:37] <@tiin57> What?
  204. [01:28:45] <@tiin57> Shocky2, what?
  205. [01:28:47] Shocky2 [[email protected]] has been kicked from #stary by Stary2001 [[email protected]]: gtfo
  206. [01:28:56] <@Stary2001> shocky = bot
  207. [01:28:59] <@tiin57> Oh
  208. [01:29:01] <@tiin57> :P
  209. [01:29:01] gamax92 [[email protected]] has been kicked from #stary by gamax92 [[email protected]]: :/
  210. [01:29:05] <@Stary2001> wat
  211. [01:29:07] <@Stary2001> i opped you
  212. [01:29:08] <AnDwHaT5> :P
  213. [01:29:09] <@Stary2001> wat
  214. [01:29:12] gamax92 [[email protected]] has joined #stary
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  216. [01:29:28] <@Stary2001> wut
  217. [01:29:29] <@Stary2001> I opped you
  218. [01:29:29] <@Stary2001> :p
  219. [01:29:48] <@tiin57> So, AnDwHaT5, where would this be hosted?
  220. [01:29:50] <@Cruor> >_<
  221. [01:30:01] <AnDwHaT5> on a web server site
  222. [01:30:23] <AnDwHaT5> but the site
  223. [01:30:25] <@tiin57> Obviously.
  224. [01:30:26] <AnDwHaT5> .......
  225. [01:30:28] <@tiin57> What site?
  226. [01:30:33] <AnDwHaT5> must be compatable
  227. [01:30:40] <AnDwHaT5> with cc
  228. [01:30:44] <AnDwHaT5> .....
  229. [01:30:54] <@immibis> you'll have to find someone to pay for the site
  230. [01:31:20] <@immibis> also
  231. [01:31:22] <AnDwHaT5> in other words it might not be albe to be done unless it can understand lua
  232. [01:31:22] <@immibis> this site you're describing
  233. [01:31:32] <@immibis> doesn't it already exist? it's called pastebin
  234. [01:31:32] <@tiin57> I mean, first, you'll have to convince some top-notch coder to create the webserver. (Lochie comes to mind; he should be in here).
  235. [01:31:39] <@tiin57> Yeah
  236. [01:31:58] <AnDwHaT5> paist bin isnt going to work
  237. [01:32:04] <@tiin57> I don't get it. Pastebin has flaws, but you haven't mentioned any
  238. [01:32:11] <AnDwHaT5> paste*
  239. [01:32:35] <AnDwHaT5> yeah but the site must understand lua
  240. [01:32:38] <AnDwHaT5> not js
  241. [01:32:41] <@tiin57> Why not?
  242. [01:32:42] <AnDwHaT5> or html
  243. [01:32:50] <AnDwHaT5> well it can
  244. [01:32:52] <@tiin57> Pastebin is pretty secure.
  245. [01:32:57] <AnDwHaT5> but it must know lua too
  246. [01:33:01] <@immibis> why?
  247. [01:33:11] [PRIVMSG >>> AfterLifeLochie]: come on in :p
  248. [01:33:11] <@immibis> if all you're doing is uploading and downloading it doesn't need to know what the files are
  249. [01:33:19] [PRIVMSG >>> AfterLifeLochie]: interrogating is fun
  250. [01:33:26] <AnDwHaT5> because to put a server of lua on a site you must be able to paste it from the game
  251. [01:33:59] <@tiin57> Um.
  252. [01:34:05] <@immibis> you mean upload?
  253. [01:34:14] <@tiin57> Why does the server need to know what language the file is in?
  254. [01:34:16] <AnDwHaT5> yes
  255. [01:34:39] <@immibis> you can upload to pastebin from in CC
  256. [01:34:42] <AnDwHaT5> because to paste it (upload) to the site it needs something in common
  257. [01:34:47] <@immibis> there just isn't a function for it, there's a program
  258. [01:34:49] <AnDwHaT5> how
  259. [01:34:55] <@immibis> run this at the shell
  260. [01:34:58] <@immibis> pastebin put yourfilenamegoeshere
  261. [01:35:10] <@immibis> to upload the file with that name
  262. [01:35:12] <AnDwHaT5> ... youur jesting
  263. [01:35:18] <@Stary2001> no, it works
  264. [01:35:21] <@Stary2001> you need http api on
  265. [01:35:33] <AnDwHaT5> ..................
  266. [01:35:37] <@tiin57> He's not joking
  267. [01:35:42] <AnDwHaT5> well then
  268. [01:35:45] <@Stary2001> nice going
  269. [01:35:45] <@tiin57> It's on the cc wiki
  270. [01:35:45] <AnDwHaT5> i confermed it
  271. [01:35:46] <@immibis> lol
  272. [01:35:47] <@Stary2001> :V
  273. [01:35:51] <AnDwHaT5> :P
  274. [01:35:56] <@gamax92> AnDwHaT5: If you look in the config, there is a option to enable HTTP
  275. [01:36:06] <AnDwHaT5> i did
  276. [01:36:09] <@immibis> you can download with: pastebin get pastebincodegoeshere filenamegoeshere
  277. [01:36:19] <AnDwHaT5> i just didnt know there was a command like that
  278. [01:36:50] <@Stary2001> i think i just facedesked so hard i created a black hole
  279. [01:36:56] <@tiin57> Indeed; it's actually relatively simple code
  280. [01:37:07] <@tiin57> XD
  281. [01:37:44] <AnDwHaT5> XD
  282. [01:37:59] <AnDwHaT5> anyways the code refered to the launguage?
  283. [01:38:05] <@immibis> no
  284. [01:38:09] <@immibis> it doesn't care about the language
  285. [01:38:23] <AnDwHaT5> what would be a example of the code
  286. [01:38:48] <@tiin57> Um
  287. [01:38:53] <@tiin57> Look at pastebin
  288. [01:39:02] <@tiin57> Look at the CC wiki
  289. [01:39:13] <@tiin57> Come back if you still have questions.
  290. [01:39:16] <@tiin57> :P
  291. [01:39:16] <AnDwHaT5> like a code given to look it up
  292. [01:39:22] <@immibis> yes
  293. [01:39:32] <@immibis> try using 'pastebin put' and you'll see what it looks like
  294. [01:39:44] <@immibis> it's just a bunch of random letters, like the ones in imgur links
  295. [01:39:51] <@tiin57> It's what, 7 symbols?
  296. [01:40:34] tiin57 [[email protected]] has quit IRC: Quit: Fakkit
  297. [01:40:35] <@immibis> 8
  298. [01:41:49] <AnDwHaT5> nice i know now
  299. [01:42:01] <AnDwHaT5> but how will that help a global chat room
  300. [01:43:10] <@immibis> it won't
  301. [01:43:20] <@immibis> how does your suggestion help a global chat room?
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  307. ### Log session terminated at Thu Feb 21 03:58:52 2013 ###
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