[18:39:57] vSoMAnI: Zygarde looks extremely annoying
[18:40:39] vSoMAnI: So I'd run hidden power ice instead of u turn on landorus-t
[18:40:54] Spohnicus: Alright, I'll give that a go
[18:41:12] +Lªnd0rus: hustle extremespeed cb togekiss? anyone?
[18:41:21] vSoMAnI: Doesn't completely solve the problem, but I'll focus on some poor sets that you have
[18:41:26] Spohnicus: will it KO with 0 EVs and hindering nature?
[18:41:40] vSoMAnI: Lnd0rus, the only thing that that was even used in was ns
[18:41:45] vSoMAnI: no, not even close
[18:41:54] vSoMAnI: but it prevents zygarde from just spamming coil
[18:42:00] Spohnicus: ah right
[18:42:08] vSoMAnI: And does more damage
[18:42:14] vSoMAnI: as they run toxic and stuff
[18:42:41] vSoMAnI: But don't run life orb on koko, it hates taking recoil on u turn
[18:42:51] vSoMAnI: id run zap plate instead
[18:43:29] Spohnicus: Yeah I can imagine, especially with stealth rocks and whatnot
[18:43:32] vSoMAnI: With hidden power ice > dazzling gleam to hit lando, while maintaining the power vs stuff like hippowdon, garchomp, and zygatde
[18:43:57] vSoMAnI: yeah, anyways all you really generally wanna get damage out of is electric STAB
[18:44:19] vSoMAnI: I'd rather not run ferro without rocks
[18:44:26] sky333: is pelliper better spdef or def?
[18:44:29] vSoMAnI: So I'd probably replace it
[18:45:10] vSoMAnI: But, before I add the next slot, here there is no reason not to run firium z > lefties and fire blast > fiery dance on volca
[18:45:28] vSoMAnI: firium z allows you to break past a ton of pokemon
[18:45:48] Spohnicus: Huh, guess I'll get Firium Z on it then
[18:46:08] Spohnicus: What move should I use over Fiery dance?
[18:46:09] Spohnicus: if any
[18:46:12] vSoMAnI: While also replacing bug buzz for a move, either hidden power ice or hidden power ground, undecided atm, I'll tell you the preferred one by the end of the rate
[18:46:13] Spohnicus: F Blast?
[18:46:16] vSoMAnI: yeah
[18:46:18] vSoMAnI: it gets
[18:46:31] vSoMAnI: a lot stronger taking the z move into consideration
[18:46:38] Spohnicus: Fair enough
[18:46:47] vSoMAnI: 25 more bp
[18:47:26] vSoMAnI: Besides that, you have no hazard removal with a volcarona
[18:47:29] vSoMAnI: which is kinda bad
[18:47:36] Spohnicus: Lol that's true I guess
[18:47:39] vSoMAnI: additionally, ash Greninja is really annoying
[18:48:11] vSoMAnI: So, I'd run a Tapu fini > rot wash
[18:48:16] Beefy Crusader: http://pastebin.com/SzWNxV6w ou. I'm having problems with scizor
[18:48:52] Spohnicus: Beefy Crusader may I recommend HP Fire Magnet Pull Magnezone?
[18:49:40] Spohnicus: Also vSoMAnI should I just use the default fini on smogon ou?
[18:49:43] Beefy Crusader: idk
[18:49:52] vSoMAnI: the evs being 16 spdef/ 252 hp/ 68 speed/ rest in defense with a calm nature, item being leftovers, and moves being taunt/natures madness/ Moonblast/ defog
[18:49:57] vSoMAnI: right here^
[18:50:24] vSoMAnI: It's not exactly the set, over here the fini evs help it take on Greninja-ash a little better
[18:50:53] vSoMAnI: Besides that, don't run modest volcarona
[18:52:02] vSoMAnI: timid allows you to outspeed a lot of Pokémon at +1 including Tapu lele/ landorus-therian/
[18:52:08] vSoMAnI: Scarfed
[18:52:44] Spohnicus: Alright, swapped Rotom out for FIni
[18:53:07] vSoMAnI: And, it also doesn't achieve any koes
[18:53:14] vSoMAnI: with modest
[18:53:49] vSoMAnI: Timid also allows you to outspeed offensive landorus-therian(which could easily get out of hand unbolted)
[18:53:54] vSoMAnI: *unboosted
[18:54:14] Spohnicus: fair enough
[18:54:19] vSoMAnI: And remember to change the lando t evs
[18:54:27] Spohnicus: to?
[18:54:42] vSoMAnI: To 0 speed
[18:54:45] vSoMAnI: relaxed
[18:54:48] Spohnicus: oh right
[18:55:56] vSoMAnI: And here 28 spdef
[18:56:12] vSoMAnI: To take on lo koko( people still run it)
[18:56:31] TheSlothSlayer: balanced hackmons
[18:57:39] Spohnicus: Anything else need changing?
[18:57:46] Spohnicus: I also still need to fill the last slot
[18:58:04] vSoMAnI: And on the last slot
[18:58:09] vSoMAnI: i would run mega gross
[18:58:36] Spohnicus: Alright
[18:59:50] vSoMAnI: Moves being
[19:00:04] vSoMAnI: Ice punch meteor mash earth quake zen headbutt
[19:00:23] vSoMAnI: the teams matchup is iffy vs other mmeta and other koko
[19:00:50] vSoMAnI: Pretty bad vs koko tbh
[19:01:29] Spohnicus: Jolly?
[19:01:42] vSoMAnI: Scarfchomp> your koko should be my last change
[19:01:47] vSoMAnI: yeah, jolly
[19:02:27] vSoMAnI: And garchomp should run eq/dragon claw/outrage/poison jab here
[19:02:27] Spohnicus: Dragon Claw or Outrage?
[19:02:33] Spohnicus: oh ok DClaw it is
[19:02:39] vSoMAnI: be aware that misty terrain weakening
[19:02:41] vSoMAnI: both lol
[19:02:58] vSoMAnI: Oh right, hidden power ground on volca here
[19:03:28] Beefy Crusader: http://pastebin.com/SzWNxV6w ou. I'm having problems with scizor
[19:03:48] Spohnicus: Rip Giga Drain, used that to catch stuff off guard
[19:04:23] vSoMAnI: Don't remove giga
[19:04:34] vSoMAnI: Remove buzz
[19:04:37] Spohnicus: Oh gotcha