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Sunday, June 26, 2011
1:03 PM - Kumori: Alright, let's talk. What you said on the Chan was really uncalled for.
1:05 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: You think so? Well I'd like to hear your side of the argument here, if that's your intention.
1:07 PM - Kumori: There is no arguement. What you said shouldn't have been said. All's I intended was to the relay the message that private matters should be private matters and not be put into public space. I got hot damn flack on my rear for not regulating the shit that happened, and now I am getting hot damn flack on my rear for regulating.
1:07 PM - Kumori: Calling me names was wrong n' shit. But I understand if my tone struck a nerve. I have a sharp tongue, it's a curse.
1:08 PM - Kumori: I just want to avoid this shit from happening over and over.
1:11 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: I'm sorry but that's pretty rich considering that's exactly what you did. What happened in the CJ was private, an isolated incident, and you took that and used it to say "You guys are all fucking idiots, this is the cancer that's killing the chan". You turned something that should have been private into a public issue, by posting about it on the chan, which is a much more public space than the CJ.
1:14 PM - Kumori: Prior to my post, Donny and Perry have posted, and it had to be said. It was meant to be a blanket statement. It's a job. I've always been behind the scenes, but now with Nyx having dropped down due to the issue before my post, I now have to step up from my technical role and play with a voice.
1:15 PM - Kumori: Nyx left because of the drama between them.
1:16 PM - Kumori: And my boyfriend said that I should have stepped up and intervened. Up until now I've always tried to stay out of the shitstorms.
1:18 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: So, not only did you make a blanket statement based on an isolated incident, because they posted about it, this automatically makes it a chan issue?
1:18 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: Not to mention I find your claim about Nyx hard to believe.
1:18 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: Unless I hear it from her directly, I'm not inclined to believe you. Nyx was helping out Perry when the incident happened.
1:19 PM - Kumori: And right out she said that last issue broke the last straw. I'll get a quote from her when she is no longer afk.
1:19 PM - Kumori: I don't save chat logs.
1:20 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: I expect to hea it from her directly.
1:20 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: Not a quote copy-pasted from you.
1:20 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: But, fine.
1:21 PM - Kumori: Haha, as if my words are toxic.
1:21 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: It;s because quotes can be faked.
1:21 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: You could type any words into quotation marks and claim they came from Nyx
1:21 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: As could I
1:21 PM - Kumori: I don't play that game.
1:22 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: Well I'm not inclined to trust someone who has consistently acted so horribly towards my friends.
1:22 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: This isn't part of the issue, anyway
1:23 PM - Kumori: I apologize if my sharp tongue has hurt feelings. But I know I haven't acted horrible to anybody. FEELINGS MAN. SO MUCH FEELINGS.
1:23 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: This is about you taking that incident and using it to address the chan's entire userbase, claiming this is the 'cancer that's killing TF2chan', and effectively saying that nobody should ever, ever help out their friends, regardless of whether their good intentions go sour or not.
1:25 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: You took something that should have stayed in the CJ and dragged it out into the open for everyone to see.
1:25 PM - Kumori: Not in the public space. I was trying to cover the Chan and CJ from this type of thing from ever happening again.
1:27 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: Exactly, you were trying to protect the chan and the CJ. The actual people involved, the flesh-and-blood human beings, the actual feelings of helplessness and desperation after one of our own already attempted suicide FOR REAL, didn't even cross your mind.
1:29 PM - Kumori: When I say Chan and CJ, I mean the people. Not the actual artificial coding and technical crap.
1:34 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: If you actually cared about us you wouldn't have made that statement, effectively telling us not to go to the CJ for support, telling us not to talk about personal shit in the chan's public spaces. After a SINGLE, ISOLATED incident in the entire history of the chan, an admin has decided that she has the authority to decide what we can and cannot talk about? To decide that we can't talk about our personal issues, and get support from our friends, where we know we can find it?
1:35 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: If you cared about what happened, you would have said "no sharing personal information please, it's causing drama" etc. etc. because it was personal information that caused it.
1:36 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: Whether that was your intention or not, remember what you are. You're an admin. You need to think about the implications of what you're saying before you say it, especially when it comes to outright forbidding topics of discussion.
1:37 PM - Kumori: This is not a single isolated incident. There has been too much drama and bullshit. My boyfriend and I haven't seen any good coming from the Chan or CJ. It's always the regular shitstorm that I've been apathetic about. It's my job that I had to say that you can't do this shit on the Chan or CJ. There is more, like private message on Steam, Skype, MSN, tinychat, etc.
1:39 PM - Kumori: I care about you guys, which is why I've stayed out of the picture. But you guys have to know where to put the private stuff. EVERYONE in the CJ tried to find Donny's personal info, which is a gang bang of his privacy, and he was very pissed off for it. I can't allow invasions of privacy to happen on the Chan or CJ.
1:46 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: I can't comment on any past drama, as I haven't been here. But the only reason THIS incident has spiralled into such full-out drama is because of your post, Kumori. It's because of you, and thinking that by outright forbidding any kind of personal discussion at all, it'll be less of a headache for YOU. If you actually cared about invasion of privacy, as I've said before and I will repeat this point a third time, you would have specified in your post; "Please do not share any personal information".
1:50 PM - Kumori: It would be less of a headache for /everybody/. I only posted because I had to. And it was a 5AM post. All of them are like grrillbral. The way people interperated my post was more inflammatory than the actual post. FEELINGS. Maybe I don't have feelings.
1:51 PM - Kumori: Perhaps I should have said. "Due to recent events, I'd like to remind everybody that private matters ought to stay where they belong and out of public space."
1:52 PM - Kumori: I was very stressed when I made that post. The kind of stress where it feels like dogs are biting at your backside. Stress in my work life isn't helping either and I've been on numerous occassions just have been wanting to vanish from the Chan and CJ.
1:53 PM - Kumori: My well-being really plummetted.
1:59 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: Listen, Kumori. After what you've done and after what you've said to me and my friends, both past and present, a last-ditch attempt at getting me to pity you isn't going to work. You've lost this battle and you know it, it's the only reason you're saying these things at all. It's not up to you to dictate what is and is not a 'private matter'. People will argue. People will cause drama involving two or three others. It's only when they start posting inflammatory bullshit on the chan, and REPEATEDLY derailing the topic of the CJ or pissing off other people, that it becomes a chan issue.
1:59 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: This was never your fight. You should have never become involved, never dragged this mess out into the open so that everyone can look at it, never claimed that this isolated incident was anything but isolated.
2:00 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: You tried to make this into something that's about you. Not the community. Not the channers, but you. And it's not ABOUT you.
2:03 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: Stop deluding yourself that you're the only thing standing between this community and chaos. You're not the lone crusader that you think you are; you're bringing your own mess into existence so people will see you cleaning it up. This was never anything but a personal issue, and it could have been kept quiet, but instead you felt it necessary to hold it up to the light and say "Look at this; this is what's wrong with the chan. And only I, as admin, can possibly stop this plague."
2:06 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: You lost this battle as soon as you picked the fight. Goodbye, Kumori.
2:09 PM - Kumori: This was never about me, not from the start. You're talking like you have some sort of personal vendetta against me. But whatever, nothing I say will make you see me as a person instead of some administrator. Haters gonna hate.
2:10 PM - Kumori: "You're not the lone crusader that you think you are" I've never thought of myself as such.
2:10 PM - Kumori: You said it yourself that you've haven't been around long enough to know all the drama and what has happened.
2:11 PM - Kumori: "And only I, as admin, can possibly stop this plague." I never said anything in relation to my status on the Chan or CJ.
2:11 PM - Kumori: You better back the fuck up
2:14 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: That may not be a direct quote but it is certainly what you implied. "YOU are the cancer that's killing the chan". And as such, you made a blanket statement announcing your intent to ban all personal discussion.
2:18 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: I hate being so trite, much as the way you used 'the cancer that's killing (chanboard)', but the way you've handled this has been nothing but ham-fisted. Instead of attacking the source of this isolated incident - the sharing of personal information - you saw fit to tell people to stop helping their friends, because apparently personal issues IN GENERAL must never, ever be discussed.
2:19 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: And as for a 'personal vendetta', although I do have my own issues with you, I was completely alright with leaving the chan, leaving you to run your crumbling kingdom by yourself, and simply give people my two cents on the way out when it came to the enormity of your actions. The one who brought this up with me, attempted to argue about it with me, and is dragging it out further and further is you, Kumori. Not me.
3:09 PM - Kumori: You're being very close-minded. That's all I can say, you're being very spiteful. And I wasn't trying to argue about it, I was trying to reason with you, but you kept on pushing and pushing. And it wouldn't have come to this if you didn't make such a sour post on the Chan. The Chan was never my kingdom, I was fit and fine letting Nyx admin with me and I didn't say anything to her about the servers or the IRC. She ran all of them.
3:14 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: You can continue to think that, if you want. From your 'haters gonna hate' mantra, you seem pretty satisfied with just deluding yourself that you're in the right here, simply because you don't like what I have to say. As for 'pushing', you forced me to repeat my point three or four times simply because you were unwilling to accept it, and kept coming up with excuse after excuse for your own actions simply because you were trying to justify them, either to me or even to yourself.
3:15 PM - Kumori: All you're doing is hating.
3:19 PM - ATF_Eximplode // <3: As for the server and the IRC, neither of those have anything to do with this. At all. As far as I can see, the only reason you'd mention them is to try and get me to pity you, and that's not going to work. And as for my 'hating', well, you said it yourself. Haters gonna hate. Go ahead and ban me if that will somehow justify, in your mind, the drama you've caused and the people you've hurt, past and present.
3:21 PM - Kumori: What the fuck does the IRC and servers have anything to do with me trying to get you to pity me? Now you're just making shit up. I mentioned the IRC and servers to PROVE that it's not my kingdom. I was MORE THAN WILLING to let other people do shit. Nyx always had the servers and I never gave a damn nor tried to step into her shoes.
3:22 PM - Kumori: I can't talk to you if you're not willing to listen, just keep pushing the dagger into my back.