Worm chat Sat Apr 20

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<RikaCovenant>: probably could, but it would be a window into the area of the distortion, hich wouldn't be any less distorted.
<Scrambles>: Good point Clarvel
<PsychoGecko>: They'd have to reach into the distortion to do that, so it would affect the portion of their arm through the door
<PsychoGecko>: if they're lucky, they'll get the stump back
<RikaCovenant>: you'd just not have to travel through the time distortion intervening the distance between you and whatever you're trying to remove.
<Mistofshadows>: sad thing is the traveler was probably a good bet to free them
<Clarvel>: WildBow mentioned something about there being such an efect but hasnt been named yet
<PsychoGecko>: I wonder why Trickster couldn't free them in all that time?
<Mistofshadows>: he either wasn't paid... or couldn't
<Mistofshadows>: or well they are heroes...
<Mistofshadows>: (that were trapped)
<Scrambles>: I'd like to see what happens from the point of view of the people inside the time distortion.  From their point of view, they're going from the middle of fighting Leviathan to, I dunno, the heat death of the universe?
<Kal>: Maybe because they're out of time itself his passenger can't see them for him to teleport out?
<Clarvel>: trickster is also a bad person
<Clarvel>: he sided with echinda
<RikaCovenant>: And given that we've seen bits of skin left in the bubble, due to the time compression trying to pull your hand out faster than it can move in the deeper distortion will cause a tear in flesh, possible an issue with the binding force of the molecules.
<Mistofshadows>: sadly
<Mistofshadows>: the sad part is
<PsychoGecko>: I remember his actions with Clockblocker and Leviathan
<Mistofshadows>: they could have fixed her
<Mistofshadows>: if she had let them
<RikaCovenant>: Trickster isn't a bad person.
<RikaCovenant>: He was a man in love.
<Kal>: ^
<Scrambles>: There's also the problem with blood flow slowing down to the flesh on the inside of the distortion.
<RikaCovenant>: Everything he did, he did for her.
<Scrambles>: Rika, the two are not mutually exclusive.
<Kal>: He sided with Noelle only because of his circumstances. You can't really apply it to other circumstances.
<PsychoGecko>: Love is not necessarily a good condition
<Kal>: Think Jack could cut through the time distortion?
<Clarvel>: with a 3 story tall insane monster that spawns evil and isnt even human anymore
<Mistofshadows>: honestly I blame a lot of things.
<RikaCovenant>: jack just extends his blade.
<PsychoGecko>: I blame canada
<Mistofshadows>: lol
<RikaCovenant>: What did we ever do to you? :<
<Clarvel>: Kat, no his power is extending the edge of cutting blades only
<Clarvel>: Kal*
<PsychoGecko>: Well, there was this one person I used to RP with from there who was a little mean
<Pinkhair>: Canadian detected!
<PsychoGecko>: It didn't help I wished her a happy July 4th
<Mistofshadows>: honestly you attacked the capital once...
<RikaCovenant>: Kal: He sided with noelle because he loved her, and wanted to free her from the problem he himself caused trying to keep her alive and free.
<RikaCovenant>: She literally changed his life.
<Pinkhair>: That is one interpretation.
<Kal>: Then how about Vista, Clarvel? She can distort space, right?
<RikaCovenant>: If you actually read the interlude, it should be your only interpretation.
<RikaCovenant>: Hello Ayreon.
<Kal>: At some point I don't think it was about love.
<Mistofshadows>: sure but the sad thing is if they had called in the multi powers guy... and given him a chance to fix it...
<Clarvel>: vista possibly
<Mistofshadows>: rather than fight like a moron
<PsychoGecko>: He was a moron looking to fight
<RikaCovenant>: Eidolon? Like hell he'd have tried to fix it. They were just a group of villains in his eyes.
<Mistofshadows>: exactly the problem
<PsychoGecko>: He wanted to feel beefy again from her
<Pinkhair>: I'm just saying you're mistaking one for thousands of words^_^
<Kal>: Eidolon is still a hero.
PsychoGecko has his way with words
<RikaCovenant>: He would have seen her as a challenge and used it for his own means- Like he did in the story, canon.
<Clarvel>: vista+trickster+labrinth
<Mistofshadows>: no Kal he really isn't
<RikaCovenant>: Pft. Eidolon is a "hero". He applies blunt force trauma to the you if you don't agree with Cauldron.
<Clarvel>: undistort the bubble enough that taking them out doesnt rip them apart
<PsychoGecko>: Anything for a hit of that Cauldron
<Scrambles>: PsychoGecko, I don't like the implication there.  Why does it sound like you are sexually abusing words?
<Clarvel>: ^
<Mistofshadows>: cause it's Gecko?
<Clarvel>: I like what you're impling there
<RikaCovenant>: Vista's power is dimension distortion, but it doesn't mess with time- she's not messing with the passage of time, nothing slows down upon entering or leaving her space. I don't think that'd work.
<Clarvel>: cause its funny
<Kal>: Cauldron's goal isn't all that bad.
<Kal>: Eidolon looks at the bigger picture imo. Even if he makes a couple of stupid moves.
<RikaCovenant>: Kal: Care to elucidate exactly WHAT Cauldron's goal is?
<Mistofshadows>: Cauldron's goal... is suspect
<RikaCovenant>: Because all we've heard are filthy lies.
<Clarvel>: have you seen my post on the subject of cauldron?
<RikaCovenant>: (courtesy of Kid Win's lie detector)
<Kal>: It's to create enough parahumans without the trauma of a trigger event to be heroes iirc.
<RikaCovenant>: Lies.
<Kal>: I don't think so, Clarvel.
<Kal>: Pfft, you have no faith.
<Mistofshadows>: I don't fault the heroes that bought powers
<RikaCovenant>: I don't trust a woman who lies through her teeth towards those who are supposedly her right hand men and woman, who also lie to the face of the one asking for the truth.
<PsychoGecko>:
<PsychoGecko>: That's why I have them down as a Nebulous Criminal Organization on tvtropes
<PsychoGecko>: Of course I don't, I'm an atheist
<RikaCovenant>: I don't fault the heroes that bought powers myself either.
<RikaCovenant>: I fault the organization itself, though.
<PsychoGecko>: Take it on a hero by hero basis. Triumph's a good guy
<Kal>: They provide a service.
<Clarvel>: found it: http://parahumans.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/imago-21-1/#comment-17835
<Clarvel>: way back in imago21-1
<RikaCovenant>: An unnatural, cross-dimensional-warping, slavery-bound service, but a service.
<Kal>: Think Theo will end up buying powers from Cauldron?
<RikaCovenant>: ...oh for the love of god, they tapped into Inter-Dimensional XboX Live.
<Mistofshadows>: I'm a bit curious though... why even dump the rejects in the worms world
<Mistofshadows>: I mean if you can send them elsewhere...
<Clarvel>: who says they are rejects
<Pinkhair>: They have uses
<RikaCovenant>: Nemesis project.
<Clarvel>: what if the *good* ones are fighting on a different earth
<RikaCovenant>: They just get a little testing done on the side as a benefit.
<Mistofshadows>: There is always that.
<PsychoGecko>: Seeing as I still can't find that song I put down as a good one for Simurgh, here's an alternate Earth's version of Rage Against the Machine
<PsychoGecko>: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOE9fE72QLg
<Mistofshadows>: Still I half expect them to grab the alternate Noelle
<Mistofshadows>: and try again
<Mistofshadows>:
<Mistofshadows>: Do it right this time
<RikaCovenant>: ...Q: Did the noelle cut off from the top of Echidna ever get obliterated?
<Ayreon>: We have no reason to think that a particular power depends on the person.
<Mistofshadows>: yeah
<Kal>: Clarvel, I don't think I understand it properly. You think that Cauldron foresaw a portal being made in Brockton Bay?
<RikaCovenant>: Mist: Confirmation please?
<Mistofshadows>: as far as I know Rika
<Mistofshadows>: I seem to recall something about it vanishing
<RikaCovenant>: Ayreon: actually, we do, since it molds to their brains and wraps to how their personality is and how they're feeling at the moment.
<Clarvel>: no I dont
<Clarvel>: I think that was happy circumstance
<Clarvel>: what cauldron wants is parahuman control
<RikaCovenant>: Remember that Battery was meditating, holding still, when she was letting the tonic work. ANd how did her power manifest? Hold still to charge, then burst of energy and ability.
<Ayreon>: But they mostly depend on the formula they use, from what we've seen.
<Clarvel>: over people, governemnt etc
<RikaCovenant>: Mist: vanishing. Like, perhaps, through a dimensional portal?
<Mistofshadows>: more like breaking up
<Pinkhair>: Don't most cauldron purchasers take the drink while calm cool collected and unpreturbed?
<Clarvel>: Brockton would ba a model of a city run by capes, and would be successful
<Mistofshadows>: they're supposed to
<Clarvel>: thus inspiring others to attemt the same
<Clarvel>: and given the number of cauldron capes to regular capes
<Kal>: I can't believe that the first few parahumans Cauldron accidently turned out to be the endbringers. They're too perfect.
<RikaCovenant>: Pinkhair: They have tests done to ensure that they aren't psycholgically unbalanced so it can affect them in as neutral a situation as possible.
<RikaCovenant>: How each individual reacts to it is going to be, by definition, different.
<Mistofshadows>: I think the idea there is that they don't really want the world to go boom.
<Scrambles>: I finally managed to donate
<Mistofshadows>: and insane capes isn't good for business
<RikaCovenant>: They don't want the earth to go boom, no villain does. They can't rule over nothing, now can they?
<RikaCovenant>: Grats Scrambles!
<RikaCovenant>: And thanks!
<Kal>: ^
<Mistofshadows>: honestly... the problem is that they can leave
<Mistofshadows>: it's rather difficult to deal with people when they can skip realities
<Kal>: Yeaaaah. I don't know why they're sticking it out. There has to be a thousand better worlds than Bet.
<Mistofshadows>: maybe...
<RikaCovenant>: Because the Endbringers can travel dimensions.
<Clarvel>: gasp!
<Mistofshadows>: but do you break crap in bet... or Risa...
<RikaCovenant>: And they already cleaned up Earth Gimel.
<Clarvel>: wait nvm
<Mistofshadows>: the world where everything is golden
<Ayreon>: What does that even mean; "run a city"? What's there for them to do once normal services and the police are up and running again? Just defending against villain capes? That's far from "running" the city. Running a city is mostly pretty boring, with property taxes and zoning regulations and stuff. The US isn't going to give up sovereignty anytime soon.
<RikaCovenant>: Ayreon: they own the buildings, the businesses, the land, everything.
<PsychoGecko>: ...damn it...you had to talk about breaking crap in bet...now I have slashfics in my head
<RikaCovenant>: they become the government.
<Clarvel>: I was just trying to think of what cauldron hopes to gain from their actions so far
<Kal>: Does anyone know what year the endbringers came?
<Mistofshadows>: Clarvel I would guess.. it's a test run
<Kal>: Was it within a couple of years of each other?
<Pinkhair>: could look it up, it was mentioned I believe
<Clarvel>: test run for what?
<RikaCovenant>: Clarvel: My opinion/theory is the Endbringers exist to stop the continued enslavement of passengers, either as a natural response or a misguided one.
<Ayreon>: The government uses eminent domain powers to take land so that universities can build convenient addons to their campuses. You can't tell me they wouldn't use it to take control of the portal and the area around it.
<Clarvel>: this was about cauldron's plans
<RikaCovenant>: So Cauldron uses Earth Bet as a throwaway dimension to battle the Endbringers.
<Mistofshadows>: for whatever world they actually like... for their perfect no mistakes world where they give people powers
<RikaCovenant>: So that they can keep doing what they're doing.
<Kal>: I can't find it, Pinkhair.
<Pinkhair>: Cauldron certainly has the nerv to try for instrumentality
<RikaCovenant>: ...ugh.
<RikaCovenant>: ba dum....tish.
<Mistofshadows>: Ayreon.... it's a bit hard to do that... when you have people that will rain hellfire down on you.
<Pinkhair>: wait, no, there wasn't a date
<PsychoGecko>: Like fire! Hellfire! This fire in my skin! This burning, desire, is leading me to sin!
<RikaCovenant>: Gvernments are very very much obsolete thanks to capes.
<RikaCovenant>: They know that the capes work with them willingly only because they accept them.
<Kal>: Hunchback of Notre Dame? o-o
<RikaCovenant>: Imagine if Eidolon went rogue, well and truly. Who could legitimately stop him, besides Scion?
<RikaCovenant>: Yes, Kal.
<RikaCovenant>: Imagine if SCION went rogue.
<PsychoGecko>: I've gone back and watched good villains ongs
<PsychoGecko>: songs*
<PsychoGecko>: I wasn't kidding when I commented that I sang that one in a dream
<Kal>: Imagine if Scion is the same thing as the endbringers and already went rogue.
<Mistofshadows>: end of the world
<Mistofshadows>: if scion goes rogue
<RikaCovenant>: Kal: Long ago theory, that.
<Pinkhair>: Behemoth first showed up Dec. 13, 1992
<Scrambles>: Rika, they managed to kill and Eidolon clone.  So I imagine killing the original is possible.
<Scrambles>: *an
<RikaCovenant>: That Scion already went rogue because he's the closest of all the Endbringers to humans, and he understands tehy don't deserve to die needlessly.
<Mistofshadows>: Scrambles... you're looking at it wrong.
<Ayreon>: But there are more important reasons why we don't use a feudal system anymore - other than the fact that a couple of knights in plate on horses aren't invincible anymore.
<RikaCovenant>: Scrambles: Clones aren't anything like the original.
<Scrambles>: But their powers are generally comparable.
<Mistofshadows>: yes
<Mistofshadows>: but the motives aren't
<Mistofshadows>: the clones died because they weren't playing hit and run
<Kal>: Thanks for finding that, Pinkhair.
<Scrambles>: That's true.
<RikaCovenant>: Ayreon: we don't use a feudal system any more because the government found easier ways to control its people and get massive tithes that dwarf what they earned when they just had us work the land.
<Mistofshadows>: if they were doing hit and run crap... Ed would be a holy terror
<Scrambles>: I wonder if his power would give him abilities suited to hitting and running.
<Mistofshadows>: probably
<Ayreon>: Didn't know I was arguing with an anarchist.
<RikaCovenant>: Anarchist? No. Governments have their place.
<RikaCovenant>: But they are incredibly corrupt and no longer serve the people.
<Mistofshadows>: anyways... anyone else happy that Skitter seems at least a bit more sane in this chapter?
<RikaCovenant>: Very much so, Mist.
<Pinkhair>: And the Simurgh first apepared over Switzerland but not sure exactly when
<Clarvel>: aye
<Scrambles>: Yeah.  I'm a little worried about what her plan might be though.
<Mistofshadows>: Regent creeps me out
<PsychoGecko>: He's supposed to. He's a sociopath
<Scrambles>: And not a lovable one, like Dexter.
<Kal>: Thanks for searching. \o/
<Mistofshadows>: Dexter isn't really a lovable one... last season sucked for that...
<Scrambles>: I only saw the first couple of seasons.  I was talking about the books anyways.
<RikaCovenant>: Regent doesn't creep me out.
<Mistofshadows>: but yeah...
<Mistofshadows>: he's sort of the joker in the hole
<Mistofshadows>: could help... a lot or screw you
<RikaCovenant>: He's a sociopath, and has a really dangerous power to not just others but himself as well, but he's, at heart, a good guy if lazy.
<Mistofshadows>: and not because I think he would screw the undersiders over
<Mistofshadows>: on purpose
<Mistofshadows>: he's sort of like them walking around with very scary weapons.
<PsychoGecko>: Dammit, I will find that comment if I have to slay the entire internet!
<Pinkhair>: which?
<PsychoGecko>: Awhile back, I don't remember how long, I had a comment talking about songs for Simurgh and Behemoth
<RikaCovenant>: Regent is effectively the nuke in their arsenal.
<Ayreon>: You have to remember Skitter/Grue are unusually mature for their age. Regent is just your usual teenage dick, but with crazy superpowers.
<Mistofshadows>: nah
<Mistofshadows>: Rika... Grue
<Mistofshadows>: is the nuke
<PsychoGecko>: Even with the youtube links I can't find this comment. Mainly because I'm trying to find a link to the song I can't remember
<Mistofshadows>: Regent is the gas attack
<PsychoGecko>: For Simurgh's song, I at first jokingly suggested Barbie Girl before trying a legitimate one
<Pinkhair>: Leviathan is Echos, Simurgh is Dark Side of the Moon, and Behemoth is The Wall
<Kal>: Mannequin is a result of the Simurgh, right?
<Mistofshadows>: debatable... but yeah
<Mistofshadows>: mostly it was his own stupidity
<Mistofshadows>: frustration and insanity
<Pinkhair>: Er, not echos. Meddle rather
<RikaCovenant>: Grue isn't the nuke on the team, he's the specialist.
<Mistofshadows>: depending on who he's around
<Mistofshadows>: he could get really scary
<RikaCovenant>: Which is why he's the specialist.
<Clarvel>: well I'll sleep
<Clarvel>: g'night fellow wormvians
<Mistofshadows>: gnight clar
<PsychoGecko>: But still, if anything you hear constantly for a Simurgh attack is going to drive you crazy later...Barbie Girl
<PsychoGecko>: I just can't find the legitimate one
<PsychoGecko>: I suggested Into The Water from dethklok for Leviathan
<PsychoGecko>: And a very nice song from Thoth and Lila'Angelique for Simurgh
<PsychoGecko>: Alright, goodnight Clarvel
<Kal>: 'Night. o/
<RikaCovenant>: Gnight Clarvel
<Ayreon>: Btw: what did Regent do with Shatterbird while he slept? Didn't Imp say that she could get away when he slept, if he controlled her?