Feb 27th, 2015
- 17:08 <doogielabs> Whats up?
- 17:09 <tysk> I wanted to express my dismay at everything that had happened this week. Originally, I told you I
- was going to try to talk, and it was late and then my days were extraordinarily busy back-to-back.
- Before we had a chance to do so, you acted out rather inappropriately in the main channel in the TGG
- IRC a few times and then instead of in any manner trying to communicate with me, made a rather
- public exit.
- 17:09 <tysk> I feel we could have moved out of that entire situation differently, and I'm sorry if I was unable
- to assist in that because I was dealing with non-IRC things in the meantime.
- 17:10 <doogielabs> I will do my best to chat here, since am upset about the situation, e-mail might end up being
- the better correspondance.
- 17:10 <tysk> If that's what you wish to do, that's fine with me.
- 17:11 <tysk> I understand that you are rather upset, and for that I am sorry, particularly if I unintentionally
- assisted in that.
- 17:12 <doogielabs> The other issue at hand here though, with Chris being incredibly disrespectful to an entire
- group of people on a whim, how will that be handled?
- 17:13 <tysk> I understand that it looked like it was on a whim to you (and several others), but it wasn't. It was
- not handled exactly the way I would have done it, I will fully admit.
- 17:14 <tysk> However, we had been fighting the IRC for a few months trying to have full engagement (I am NOT
- saying money, I am saying actual conversation, discussion, engineering, etc) and more and more it
- had devolved into ignoring the shows, providing smartass answers to people, making new people feel
- unwelcome and a handful of people (yes, you were part of it, though I know you said it was
- unintentional) pushing the room away from the li
- 17:14 <tysk> veshow discussions entirely when they were attempting to happen.
- 17:15 <tysk> We had been trying to veer everybody into behaviour that was more in line with what the intention of
- the room had been and at every turn were told the room was uninterested. So something had to happen,
- and that is just how it happened to go down.
- 17:16 <tysk> We have had discussions on this entire situation at great length in person and it was agreed that
- the situation could have happened differently. We have been putting new rules in place to allow
- discussions to continue in separate rooms when we need to grab the attention of the primary room. We
- had responded to requests from people so that they can get notified when new shows will happen.
- 17:16 <doogielabs> I do understand more that there was an ongoing issue, but how come instead of asking us to
- help you with that we were ignored? I mean, it's what we were there for. To help futher extend
- the geek group out into the maker community
- 17:17 <doogielabs> Tell you what, I'll send you my original complaint letter I wrote, which e-mail would you like
- to send it to?
- 17:17 <tysk> Honestly, we tried a few times to ask people and were met with deaf ears. We could have, perhaps,
- been more direct in it but there's no point in trying to come up with "what we should have done".
- 17:17 <tysk> I am really disheartened that you felt you could not bring this to me originally. It has been
- suggested today that I would not have acted on my own, and that is the opposite of the truth.
- 17:19 <doogielabs> Honestly, with the way the whole situation played out I felt that just reaching out to you
- would not have made a difference. Chris doesn't understand that there are repurcussions when
- you disrespect a lot of people in the way that he did.
- 17:19 <tysk> I am not trying to make excuses or anything, but he felt so frustrated about the entire thing that
- he needed to take action. Again --- if we had the opportunity to make a do-over, it would all play
- out differently.
- 17:19 <tysk> From your perspective, what would be a viable solution moving forward?
- 17:22 <doogielabs> one moment
- 17:24 <doogielabs> Sent
- 17:29 <tysk> Okay, I've read it
- 17:31 <doogielabs> How would you deal with a staff member such as myself if they comitted the same infractions?
- 17:32 <doogielabs> *such as what myself was, you know what I mean
- 17:32 <tysk> Honestly, on a staff-to-staff basis, it would likely have been incredibly similar manner. which, as
- I am sure you know from experience, stays 100% out of the public eye.
- 17:33 <tysk> Which is to say there has been a LOT of talking to figure out what happened, why it happened, how we
- would deal with it in the future, how we can avoid such things again and what needs to happen to
- ensure that.
- 17:33 <doogielabs> I feel this case has special implications though, since your general membership was the target
- of the disrespect. I feel they would be owed an apology for that?
- 17:34 <tysk> I'm going to ask you a serious question, and I want you to think of the answer from the perspective
- of somebody who has seen both sides of the internet on this one.
- 17:35 <doogielabs> Sure
- 17:35 <tysk> Would any apology be taken seriously, or would it be assumed to be something done just to placate
- people? (Even if it was 100% heartfelt and sincere)
- 17:36 <tysk> I am not sure it would do any good, but that's just from where I sit.
- 17:37 <doogielabs> You make an excellent point, and maybe now that it's this far along probably not. In most
- cases, I feel that an apology would be treated based on it's sincerity. If one explained in
- detail what they did wrong and what actions are in place to prevent that from happening again
- that would be pretty genuine and heartfelt.
- 17:37 <doogielabs> It would show the person is putting effort into ackowledging and taking responsibility for
- their problem.
- 17:37 <doogielabs> However
- 17:38 <doogielabs> I understand that at this point it might not be that simple.
- 17:38 <tysk> I agree
- 17:38 <tysk> Okay, this is what I am going to do.
- 17:39 <tysk> I am first going to think on this overnight. I'm really happy that we had the opportunity to discuss
- 17:39 <tysk> Second, I am going to talk the entire thing over with a few other executive staff. And we will
- decide how to proceed. It will probably take a few days to issue something public, especially since
- tomorrow is Saturday.
- 17:43 <doogielabs> I apologize for the disrespect earlier, your actions hurt me and I appreciate you addressed
- that with me.
- 17:43 <doogielabs> I appreciate your consideration in the matter.
- 17:43 <tysk> I am always happy to talk. I wish we could have done it a few days ago, but as with everything, we
- can't fix what has already happened.
- 17:44 <doogielabs> Real member engagement and teamwork cannot happen in that chat room until this sort of stuff
- gets resolved.
- 17:45 <tysk> I feel like we have been able to move forward in the TGG IRC in a manner that is in line with our
- vision for it and also in a manner that pleases the membership at large.
- 17:45 <doogielabs> Yes, or even a week or two ago, well before it needed to come to any of it.
- 17:45 <tysk> I am going to let you be now, but I will give you a head's up as to what is going on, probably via
- 17:47 <doogielabs> Sounds good
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