CCP, fate of humanity, end of existence

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Monfd
Why, just the other day, I shot a man after he told me that he was pro-slavery.
Monfd
I shot him dead.
easel
Nice one :)
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easel
Chairman Mao :D
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easel
Why yes, yes I am.
Monfd
easel: Are you concerned about the Americans heading to the Southern Border to use guns to stop unarmed asylum-seekers from lawfully applying for asylum?
Monfd
These are almost exclusively white men associated with the GOP.
easel
Mao was an enigmatic figure, it really just depended on which side of the fence you were on...
02:44 easel
I'm from the far north west, kimberleys.
easel
Monfd, personally I think it's vile and disgusting fear mongering and a total waste of time.
Monfd
You don't think it's a good way to transfer the money back from the uber-wealthy the GOP these men belong to just gave to the uber-wealthy?
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Monfd
See, it's wrong to protest outside of Tucker Carlson's house.
Monfd
But it's okay for you to be Tucker Carlson participating in a machine that radicalizes white men to go to the border with assault rifles to threaten/shoot/kill asylum-seekers.
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Monfd
That's just free speech!
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easel
I think America is better then that, I really do. I'm sorry to hear that the national guard and border patrol or whomeever are being forced into these cheap and tacky political ploys.
Monfd
They're being forced by the GOP.
Monfd
Which went insane as a result of planned propaganda being played for them everywhere all of the time ("Fox News") and others.
Monfd
It's important to name our enemy.
Monfd
The American Right.
Monfd
easel: Do you think it's justified to do violence to the architect of Birkenau, if that architect never uses a rifle?
Monfd
He just draws lines on paper, coordinating the construction of a death camp where a few hundred thousand people will die.
easel
The world has got a lot to learn from china, many hard lessons, I'm not sure if they'll learn in time. Chinese style socialism has broken the mould and really proven a lot of naysayers wrong.
Monfd
easel: China is the world's first digital totalitarian society. It's utterly horrifying.
Monfd
A few tens of thousands of humans organized themselves into the Communist Chinese Party and instituted a national control on information.
Monfd
The party members act by one set of rules, and imposes an entirely different set of rules on every other human in China.
Monfd
Law enforcement in China is incredibly vicious and frequently beats people in the streets.
Monfd
The CCP has at least 1 million people in concentration camps.
Monfd
According to the UN.
Monfd
China has the world's second worst human rights laws, second only to North Korea, I believe.
Monfd
It's an unmitigated disaster for the people, but great for the CCP.
easel
Well in a situation of war these actions become tenable not particularly palatable, not something people might relish, but it is what it is. Violence has its place in human societies.
easel
Well it's  disaster for *some* people.
Monfd
easel: It's a disaster for 99.99% of Chinese.
easel
Their are plenty of rich middle class chinese and they are growing daily, that's the thing about that..
easel
And then there is the dark dystopic side, and the oppression of dissenters and minorities, religious groups and so on.
easel
But for the Han? They are living it up.
easel
Well socialism didn't die, totalitarianism isn't doomed for failure, centrally managed economies can be made to work and the internet and technology can actually be leveraged to create a surveillance state, so information doesn't set you free. So much for the naive assumptions of the 90s.
Monfd
I support democratic socialism.
Monfd
I recognize the CCP is one of the most harmful organizations on Earth.
easel
You'll note that China sticks to its historical concerns, while buttering up the rest of the world. And the world absolutely loves that chinese money and that cheap chinese industry.
easel
Yeah I'm a democratic socialist :)
Monfd
China has an enormous population that it abuses to produce good aggregate results. Of course that's congruent with capitalism.
easel
Well they fused capitalism with socialism and now they are throwing ai and technology into the mix. While the right libertarians and the neoliberals bleated and brayed about decentralised, unregulated, economic systems, which democracy would surely enable..
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Monfd
It's certainly true that they're managing a large population well to produce good aggregate numbers, and we do need to build our societies in a realkpolitik manner such that they're secure against actual threats -- like Russian electoral influence -- and competitive with existing alternatives, but their approach is also the best example Earth's ever created for a 1984 society.
Monfd
Their story is as much about progress and success as it is about the death of humanity.
Monfd
The point of government, in my Weltanschaung, is to improve the quality of human life.
Monfd
Their digital totalitarianism is an utter failure in this regard.
Monfd
I mean, you can't post pictures of Winnie the Pooh.
Monfd
Chinese communism is obviously essentially flawed.
easel
Oh of course, but nobody can stop this... it's not looking like some internal revolution or inward decay, it more resembles an unstoppable juggernaut.
Monfd
Do you desire to be crushed under the foot of a splendid giant?
Monfd
I cannot tell.
easel
They've split the internet in half. It's harder and harder for their citizens to circumvent. They aren't transparent, the ccp just acts it doesn't tell, nobody knows what they are cooking up.
easel
China from dominating Asia and the world economy.
Monfd
easel: Every system is vulnerable to attack and decay from both outward and inward. The CCP appears to have a very scientific praxis in regards to governing its people, but not in regards to its leadership.
Monfd
Deviation from a truth-bathed management style will always generate problems for every society.
Monfd
They're accruing management debt with their glorification of their new 'supreme leader' with 'visionary insight'.
Monfd
Too much focus on charisma, personality, and coalition forming will render the chosen leaders distant from the underlying mechanisms generating the power for the CCP. These factional leaders will increasingly become vulnerable to betrayal from intellectuals who understand how the machines work.
Monfd
This causes growing mistrust between these charismatic leaders and the reins of power wielded by that Strong Man leading, invariably, to internal collapse.
easel
Well perhaps we'll live long enough to see, but see the surveillance state and the advance of technology in general might mean that good old fashioned revolutions with angry workers armed with rifles becomes no longer feasible. Then you get orwell's boot on your neck, forever.
Monfd
You seem to want to go extinct.
Monfd
It's not an incredibly rare fetish.
Monfd
Totalitarianism is fundamentally about control and underutilization of the capital of a polity, in this case, the cognitive capital of the citizens because the CCP fears its potential destablizing power.
Monfd
Fine.
easel
The thing is that will be one of China's number one exports, their jazzed up surveillance ai. And other states will try to copy them. Fun times.
Monfd
How is a minority able to do this? Force multiplication through superior organization, dominance of weapons, and cognitive enhancement via AI decision making.
Monfd
So, you incentivize the system, evolutionarily speaking, to generate AI resistance fighters, instead of their ancestors holding rifles, as you've erotically mentioned just moments ago.
Monfd
But, perhaps these few people with their machine learning knowledge cannot hang with the AI wielded by the Party.
Monfd
Fine.
Monfd
You have generated a new ecosystem of organisms then, post-humans, that have successfully defeated the human mind and its previously underutilized cognitive capital. What now, brown cow?
easel
But the power is shared, so its no sure thing that the intellectuals will want to destabilise it or even that they can, it's more about the political class being masters, and as long as chinese business continues to flourish nobody is going to say a thing, and they don't.
Monfd
Now, you have pushed all the previous problems into this new niche filled with different types of organisms for the battles to continue.
Monfd
easel: We have arrived at the Buddhist advocacy for end of life.
easel
heheheh, ok then :D
Monfd
These problems of stable systems in competition with alternatives, evolution, dominance, mastery, presumably extends infinitely into complexity. There's no escape.
Monfd
The CCP is perhaps generating a few decades of mastery before their AI outmaneuvers them.
Monfd
You can see the appeal of just stopping the game.
Monfd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMHHwJ9Eqk

Monfd
Perhaps you only have to be as smart as humans to understand that existence is undesirable. This is precisely what some humans are claiming.