Ossim convo with Raish

[Totoro]Piexplode: the real question is
[Totoro]Piexplode: how much is viable
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: and by that I mean like
[Totoro]Piexplode: you could use in tours level viable
Raish: right
Raish: well I took this kingler team to #1 ladder
[Totoro]Piexplode: I don't see why
[Totoro]Piexplode: we couldn't have a
[Totoro]Piexplode: list of literally
Raish: because gengar kingler zapdos is an amazing trio
[Totoro]Piexplode: every possible 'good' RBY team
[Totoro]Piexplode: since with the combinatorics that's still gotta be
[Totoro]Piexplode: less than 100
[Totoro]Piexplode: and to an extent
[Totoro]Piexplode: you get small variations too
[Totoro]Piexplode: with move slashes
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: and I reckon even from that point
[Totoro]Piexplode: you could start
[Totoro]Piexplode: removing teams with
[Totoro]Piexplode: weaknesses to threats that it can't handle
[Totoro]Piexplode: idk
[Totoro]Piexplode: hmm
[Totoro]Piexplode: I do wonder tho
[Totoro]Piexplode: if that is
[Totoro]Piexplode: realistic and possible
[Totoro]Piexplode: I think I spoke to marco about it before
[Totoro]Piexplode: hmm I might
[Totoro]Piexplode: speak with lutra
[Totoro]Piexplode: and ask to hold
[Totoro]Piexplode: a total team archive
[Totoro]Piexplode: on there
Raish: there are probably thousands of teams possible
[Totoro]Piexplode: yea but essentially you can start from
[Totoro]Piexplode: the niche threats up
[Totoro]Piexplode: so take
[Totoro]Piexplode: every possible
[Totoro]Piexplode: good team
[Totoro]Piexplode: with an BL or below mon
Raish: well there's a place where people put their favorite teams on pokemon perfect
Raish: I've got my main team on there
[Totoro]Piexplode: yea Ik that
[Totoro]Piexplode: I'm just saying like
[Totoro]Piexplode: you can reduce it to
[Totoro]Piexplode: starting with
Raish: going to do a write up on this one soon because lutra wanted it
Raish: to show a real kingler team
[Totoro]Piexplode: those which are really low tier
[Totoro]Piexplode: since they are so niche the rest of the team is basically forced
[Totoro]Piexplode: and then you have
Raish: right
[Totoro]Piexplode: about 20 pokemon with which
[Totoro]Piexplode: to make
[Totoro]Piexplode: the remainder of the teams
Raish: yeah
Raish: like I've only found 2 tourney viable kingler teams
[Totoro]Piexplode: and tauros+lax+chansey+eggy will make up
Raish: one is this one
[Totoro]Piexplode: a good solid 60-80% of those imo
[Totoro]Piexplode: and all but maybe the last 5% will have 3 of the 4
Raish: and the other is the big 4 with an SToss Zam lead and Kingler
[Totoro]Piexplode: so RBY teambuilding is limited enough that i feel a total archive of all possible teams is a viable idea
Raish: you made a good point
[Totoro]Piexplode: bear in mind you also have
[Totoro]Piexplode: nche sets
[Totoro]Piexplode: *niche
[Totoro]Piexplode: like
[Totoro]Piexplode: withdraw slowbro
[Totoro]Piexplode: where the team is
Raish: I think a list of viable niche teams
[Totoro]Piexplode: virtually forced too
[Totoro]Piexplode: ad then once we have
[Totoro]Piexplode: all the viable 'niche' teams
[Totoro]Piexplode: then we work on those with
[Totoro]Piexplode: the core 15-20 mons
Raish: and then saying but then there are these other more flexible mons where you can just do most combos of these
[Totoro]Piexplode: dnite is really limited and stuff
[Totoro]Piexplode: I don't think it's impossible to find
[Totoro]Piexplode: every viable build with
[Totoro]Piexplode: gar/jynx/zam/mie/eggy/tauros/lax/chans/lapras/zappy/
[Totoro]Piexplode: rhydon/golem/slowbro
[Totoro]Piexplode: that's kind of it of the stuff that doesn't feel super niche
[Totoro]Piexplode: altho zappy and bro can do to an extent
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: and victreebell, jolteon, articuno, cloyster, and dnite can probably form a few viable teams
Raish: zapdos definitely needs support
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: so if we remove
[Totoro]Piexplode: zappy and bro from the list
[Totoro]Piexplode: then the core pokemon is basically
[Totoro]Piexplode: the 4 usually leads + the 2 rocks + the big 4 + lapras
[Totoro]Piexplode: and of those there's not all that many combinations
[Totoro]Piexplode: probably max 20
[Totoro]Piexplode: in terms of
[Totoro]Piexplode: those that are viable
[Totoro]Piexplode: and then teams could all be
[Totoro]Piexplode: rated in terms of
[Totoro]Piexplode: consistency
Raish: in terms of mons yes
[Totoro]Piexplode: suprise factor
[Totoro]Piexplode: major weaknesses/strengths
Raish: but then you need to change movesets and that's what makes the numbers big
[Totoro]Piexplode: difficulty to use
[Totoro]Piexplode: yea agreed but if a team's the same 6 mons you can just list
[Totoro]Piexplode: the best moveset combos and then list other options that are specific to the team
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: man we should really
[Totoro]Piexplode: get this project down lol
[Totoro]Piexplode: so what there's like
[Totoro]Piexplode: 20 teams or so from
[Totoro]Piexplode: the biggest ones
[Totoro]Piexplode: probably about 20 from the super niche
[Totoro]Piexplode: and then amybe another 40 from the middle road ones
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: that's not even 100
[Totoro]Piexplode: we can do that
[Totoro]Piexplode: ^o^
[Totoro]Piexplode: so I think I'll
[Totoro]Piexplode: copypaste this convo
[Totoro]Piexplode: send it to lutra some time
Raish: haha sure
[Totoro]Piexplode: and then seee if I can
[Totoro]Piexplode: get this project going
[Totoro]Piexplode: with like
[Totoro]Piexplode: borat m9m isa jorgen bomber etc.
[Totoro]Piexplode: involved
[Totoro]Piexplode: I could even assign people to work on
[Totoro]Piexplode: specific sections
[Totoro]Piexplode: to an extent
[Totoro]Piexplode: idk hmm
[Totoro]Piexplode: well like dre on wrap mons which are mostly middle of the roaders
[Totoro]Piexplode: bomber on the super niche stuff
[Totoro]Piexplode: etc.
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: I mean everyone has theiir favourite
[Totoro]Piexplode: niche stuff
Raish: haha yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: the whole thing is
[Totoro]Piexplode: getitng this organised
[Totoro]Piexplode: so I thnk the
Raish: gen1 doctor's my favorite kangaskhan user
[Totoro]Piexplode: middle of the road stuff
[Totoro]Piexplode: would be subdivided more to make it manageable
[Totoro]Piexplode: ahh I've not seen kanga used yet
[Totoro]Piexplode: altho marco explained
[Totoro]Piexplode: its usage to me
[Totoro]Piexplode: seems oaky but
[Totoro]Piexplode: hard to build around
Raish: Alakazam MDEggy CRBSBlizLapras BSHBEQCounterKangaskhan IBTBChansey Tauros
Raish: that's his team
Raish: or all the moves I know off it
[Totoro]Piexplode: looks mostly standard but with a kkanga over a lax
[Totoro]Piexplode: mm
[Totoro]Piexplode: I'd defo
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: speak to marco about kanga
[Totoro]Piexplode: he's been
[Totoro]Piexplode: tmonning the fuck out of it
Raish: lol
Raish: yeah I got into kingler because my friend wanted to make it work
Raish: and then I found out I loved it
Raish: lutra just asked about who belongs in ou
Raish: and the top 13 were easy for me
Raish: the last 2 slots were really tough
[Totoro]Piexplode: yea I spoke to him about that too
Raish: lots of competition
[Totoro]Piexplode: he asked me like
[Totoro]Piexplode: favourte 15
[Totoro]Piexplode: no order
Raish: yeah
[Totoro]Piexplode: at first
[Totoro]Piexplode: and I added in
[Totoro]Piexplode: parasect
[Totoro]Piexplode: rofl
[Totoro]Piexplode: but then
Raish: lol really?
[Totoro]Piexplode: when I found out
[Totoro]Piexplode: it was about tiering
[Totoro]Piexplode: I knew
[Totoro]Piexplode: I had to swap in like
[Totoro]Piexplode: cloy or gar or dnite for it
[Totoro]Piexplode: lol
[Totoro]Piexplode: parasect isn't
[Totoro]Piexplode: too bad
[Totoro]Piexplode: it's just super niche
Raish: because I don't think of wrap, I ended up putting jolteon and articuno in the last slots
[Totoro]Piexplode: it matches up like eggy except
[Totoro]Piexplode: bbetter versus jolteon
[Totoro]Piexplode: dies to zam psychic crit and same with starmie blizz
Raish: and I realized articuno gets virtually no usage
[Totoro]Piexplode: articuno is usable
Raish: so now I want to tmon articuno
[Totoro]Piexplode: allala and I use it
[Totoro]Piexplode: and I've seen
[Totoro]Piexplode: floppy use it
Raish: I haven't seen it in half a year at least
[Totoro]Piexplode: I actually found a
[Totoro]Piexplode: first series or two of SPL game on YT
[Totoro]Piexplode: RBY
[Totoro]Piexplode: that was
[Totoro]Piexplode: pretty interesting
[Totoro]Piexplode: the game I watched
[Totoro]Piexplode: was so terrible lol
[Totoro]Piexplode: everyone involved knew it was
[Totoro]Piexplode: a poor game