Antifa, meat eating, goals of government

Monfd
emogirl: Do you have any favorite Youtube channels?
emogirl
yes
emogirl
many
emogirl
PBS newshour, Powerful JRE, Colbert, The View, Bret Weinstein, Real Time with Bill Maher,
emogirl
and some transgender youtubers
Monfd
TRANSGENDER
emogirl
oh, and my channel :)
emogirl
I upload concert videos
Monfd
But of course.
Monfd
Did you see Rogan with Lessig?
emogirl
I did
emogirl
depressing af
Monfd
Lessig is pretty great.
emogirl
Lessig got old
emogirl
he's smart
emogirl
but he wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know
Monfd
Sure.
Monfd
You were probably not the target audience for that episode.
emogirl
I prefer comedians or musicians
emogirl
as guests
emogirl
yeah
Monfd
I've been going through a few of Weinstein's videos on his channel.
Monfd
I like 'em.
emogirl
he's great
emogirl
oh man did you see the vid of his students screaming bloody murder
emogirl
and him being calm and rational
Monfd
I have a degree in biology, so I've got that extra connection to his vids.
Monfd
I did.
emogirl
Evolutionary bio
Monfd
I'm pretty familiar with the Evergreen debacle.
emogirl
yeah what a shit storm
emogirl
I hate that part of the left
emogirl
they wouldn't even listen to him
Monfd
What's fascinating to me is that ideas from the Greeks from 2300 years ago are largely sufficient to guide a lot of our judgment about those yelling students.
emogirl
true
grns3
it's 10 months and 13 days :)
grns3
https://fossbytes.com/facebook-hit-by-another-security-breach-6-8-million-users-photos-leaked/
druqs
[ Facebook Hit By Another Security Breach; 6.8 Million Users' Photos Exposed ] - fossbytes.com
emogirl
my favorite quote is from ancient greece
emogirl
"By desiring little, a poor man makes himself rich" - Democritus
Monfd
The amount of emotion driving those students is very problematic.
Monfd
Interesting -- I hadn't heard that one.
emogirl
grns3: lol and no one was surpised re: fb
Monfd
I think it's always important to remind that the primary problem of illiberalism in the United States is from the right (at this point in history) by a factor of about 100.
grns3
lol
Monfd
But, yes, of course the left also has its illiberal pockets.
emogirl
true
emogirl
the right kills more people
emogirl
but I like to call out the left
emogirl
using the Chomsky idea
Monfd
Also, these are just students on campus.
emogirl
that you should call out your own side
Monfd
The right has the entire federal government.
emogirl
not atm
emogirl
January
emogirl
The fun begins
Monfd
It's why criticizing antifa to the same extent as neo-Nazis and the Proud Boys is highly inappropriate.
Monfd
Remember, the Proud Boys and other fascist elements want to have paramilitary powers WHILE they also retain formal powers of the state.
Monfd
Which is something close to terrorism.
emogirl
that's a false equiv
Monfd
There's always a theoretical argument for paramilitary, non-state violence from any faction not in power.
emogirl
I didn't say antifa was equal to the tiki torch set
Monfd
Why you personalize?
emogirl
that's a right wing canard
emogirl
because I'm irish?
emogirl
probably
emogirl
also high
Monfd
You're always high, hun.
emogirl
yes
emogirl
that's the only way I can tolerate the rest of humanity
Monfd
There's a pretty clear defense of antifa.
emogirl
really?
Monfd
Absolutely.
emogirl
antifa seems counter productive
Monfd
That's a different argument.
emogirl
I Don't believe in political violence
emogirl
I'm on the MLK scene
emogirl
for social justice
Monfd
Non-violence can be more powerful in some cases, but violence is often pretty effective, too.
emogirl
True
emogirl
but in the current world
Monfd
I think about 30% of terrorist groups disband after achieving their goals.
emogirl
I'm for non violent
emogirl
ghandi stuff
Monfd
According to some CIA study or something.
Monfd
I forget the source.
emogirl
not Sarejevo
emogirl
1914
emogirl
The 20th century proved political violence will be our destruction
emogirl
if we go down that road
Monfd
The primary defense of antifa will stem from the right of revolution, I'd argue
emogirl
lol
Monfd
Which is a core American value
emogirl
antifa are a bunch of trust fund kids
emogirl
who need jobs
Monfd
Citation?
emogirl
Who has time to even protest
emogirl
if they have a job
emogirl
let alone live your life as antifa
Monfd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy1eRCYS08w

druqs
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emogirl
shrug
Monfd
I thought this was pretty illuminating.
emogirl
they are largely irrelevant
Monfd
In political philosophy, the right of revolution (or right of rebellion) is the right or duty of the people of a nation to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests and/or threatens the safety of the people without cause. Stated throughout history in one form or another, the belief in this right has been used to justify various revolutions, including the American Revolution, French Revolution, the Russ
Monfd
ian Revolution, and the Iranian Revolution.
emogirl
lol
emogirl
If the CIA hadn't installed the Shah
Monfd
The only question about antifa is to what extent they can leverage the right of revolution.
emogirl
antifa are a joke dude
emogirl
do you take them seriously
Monfd
I don't understand.
emogirl
they aren't going to start a revolution
emogirl
the US government could execute them in their sleep
emogirl
if they were a threat
Monfd
Antifa has its roots in efforts in the 1920s and 1930s to resist the rise of fascism.
emogirl
bullshit
Monfd
Which is a noble goal.
Monfd
What?
emogirl
violence isn't the answer in 2018
Monfd
That's when antifa originated.
emogirl
We need to abolish nation states and money
emogirl
first of all
emogirl
by vote
emogirl
not by gun
Monfd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)#History
druqs
[WIKIPEDIA] Antifa (United States)#History | "The Antifa () movement is a conglomeration of left wing autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist militant groups in the United States. The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action. They engage in varied protest tactics, which include digital activism, property damage, physical violence..."
emogirl
At the moment antifa exists so the right wing can have a false equivalency and punching bag
emogirl
similar to the role Alexandria Cortez fills
Monfd
Antifa exists because the GOP has become incongruent with the continued existence of the American republic.
emogirl
lol
emogirl
I agree with that
Monfd
And their policies are a direct threat to the lives of a reasonable amount of Americans.
emogirl
but I don't agree with antifa being a solution
dOm3r
You know emogirl, being a solution is much like making love to a beautiful woman
Monfd
For example, the LGBTQ community.
emogirl
antifa is part of the cancer
dOm3r
You've got to sneeze the instagram
dOm3r
reproduce the bird
emogirl
shut up dOm3r
Monfd
Which is featured in the Vice video.
dOm3r
and finally settle the Cappucino.
dOm3r
bah
Monfd
I dislike it when you type "lol" in response to my posts.
emogirl
when you say funny shit
emogirl
I laugh
Monfd
I am a very intelligent and very thoughtful person and almost all of my ideas have at least partial merit.
emogirl
sorry
emogirl
I don't insult you
emogirl
on purpose
Monfd
The "lol" response is a response of being closed, rather than openness.
emogirl
dude
emogirl
relax this is just a fun chat between friends
emogirl
I respect your intelligence
emogirl
don't assume bad faith
emogirl
for one you seem to like me
emogirl
which speaks volumes for your intelligence :)
emogirl
^.^
Monfd
lol
Monfd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fFbeSykaJk

druqs
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Monfd
I think you said you don't like electronic music that much.
Monfd
But if you did, this is a good song.
emogirl
I do like electronic
emogirl
if it's good
emogirl
I just don't like bass heavy stuff
Monfd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_humor
druqs
[WIKIPEDIA] Theories of humor | "There are many theories of humor which attempt to explain what humor is, what social functions it serves, and what would be considered humorous. Among the prevailing types of theories that attempt to account for the existence of humor, there are psychological theories, the vast majority of which consider..."
Monfd
This is interesting. I guess there are three main theories on laughter.
emogirl
ambient/downtempo is my favorite electronic
Monfd
Although various classical theories of humor and laughter may be found, in contemporary academic literature, three theories of humor appear repeatedly: relief theory, superiority theory, and incongruity theory.[2]
Monfd
This song is uplifting.
emogirl
In evolution humor started as when you hear something and its a false alarm
emogirl
easy way to alert the tribe to relax
emogirl
no danger
Monfd
emogirl: There is a reasonably broad infiltration of law enforcement by white supremacists.
Monfd
The FBI warned about this back in 2006.
emogirl
Monfd: that doesn't surprise me
emogirl
at all
Monfd
Imagine being a group that is hated by white supremacists and seeing law enforcement in you region work with them.
Monfd
Boom, there's a solid justification for antifa.
Monfd
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK
Monfd
A neutral and fair law enforcement is one of the primary pillars for a liberal democracy.
Monfd
Otherwise, people start to form paramilitary groups to defend their own interests from rival factions.
emogirl
Disagree
emogirl
the way to resist them is non violent direct action
emogirl
imho
emogirl
othewise you're a mirror image of the problem
emogirl
and you become the problem
Monfd
emogirl: I agree the situation you described is one of the practices of laughter -- seems that would fall under relief theory.
Monfd
emogirl: Violence in response to violence is categorically different than the initial violence.
Monfd
Though, I agree there are important practical problems of using violence.
Monfd
For example, it corresponds to mental states that often get out of hand and aren't very discriminating.
emogirl
No right winger has done violence against me
emogirl
so I won't pick up a weapon
Monfd
And, in practice, such groups that start defensively can evolve towards using unjustified, initiating violence.
emogirl
when Mexico invades or Canada
emogirl
I might take up arms
emogirl
but probably would just play them my vinyl collection
emogirl
and smoke some herb
grns3
right
grns3
brothers in arms
Monfd
According to the philosophy underlying the formation of the United States, humans have a right to violence for self-defense, as they are essentially states unto themselves.
Monfd
They abandon this right, giving it to the state, upon joining society.
Monfd
But government only wields those powers that are justly exercised, and they lose them upon being unjust.
grns3
states are overrated
grns3
all i need is an small island
Monfd
The government and its law enforcement agents are failing to justly defend some Americans, create a strong argument those individuals may return to the state of nature.
grns3
connected to the backbone though
Monfd
emogirl: I want to point out something about my argumentation that is often missed by people with views in your neighborhood.
Monfd
It sounds like it justifies and encourages violence, which it does, but I think it's actually a really nice way to decrease violence.
emogirl
Monfd: capitalism is the problem
Monfd
It says, You don't want anti-fascist elements wandering your streets? You want to justly prosecute them for their behavior? Then you can do that by ensuring your state is justly defending them.
emogirl
Laws are laws
emogirl
no one can just go vigilante
emogirl
sorry
Monfd
It reorients the state toward justice by reminding ourself of the powers and interests of vulnerable groups.
emogirl
that's stupid
emogirl
no offense
Monfd
emogirl: That's a surprising utterance @ "laws are laws".
grns3 farts into the channel
grns3
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druqs
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emogirl
Monfd: it's not wrong to break unjust laws
emogirl
but laws against violence are generally just
Monfd
Okay -- good.
Monfd
emogirl: They often are.
Monfd
And when the Louisiana law enforcement works directly with neo-Nazi groups?
emogirl
It's louisiana
emogirl
no one is surprised
Monfd
https://wgno.com/2018/08/30/lawsuit-claims-louisiana-state-police-has-antifa-roster-from-neo-nazi-site/
druqs
[ Sorry, this content is not available in your region. ] - wgno.com
emogirl
they let niggers drown
emogirl
in cages
emogirl
Katrina
Monfd
emogirl: Again, what I want is a just government that is thoughtful about all the people, but with a special focus on vulnerable individuals and groups.
Monfd
To a large extent, the majority can look after themselves by availing themselves of majority-borne powers.
Monfd
In some sense, we want our government to be most consciously focused on the small, minority groups.
Monfd
You'll essentially never see law enforcement aligning with groups like neo-Nazis to go after the majority.
Monfd
So, when that occurs for the minority, that's a core violation of the compact of government.
Monfd
It needs to be taken EXTRAORDINARILY seriously.
emogirl
I want that too
emogirl
but it's not going to happen
Monfd
And by reminding ourselves, 'Well, I guess violent efforts by this group might be justified now' help us to be mindful of their sufferings.
emogirl
I'm all for BLM
emogirl
but not cop killing
emogirl
see the gradation?
Monfd
Louisiana State Police (LSP) gathered a fake list of Antifa members from Neo-Nazi websites, according to a lawsuit filed by a Harvard Law School lecturer.
emogirl
antifa benefits the right
emogirl
it gives them a straw man to attack
emogirl
and a false equivalency with the really violent people on the far right
Monfd
I think that only reveals a pre-existing inequity in the right.
Monfd
Let's unpack that argument a bit: The right, which controls the presidency, SCOTUS, Senate, House, governorships, and legislatures is concerned about the rise of a small, violent leftist group -- antifa -- and they want to leverage that to expand state and police powers further entrenching their faction.
Monfd
That is 100% incompatible with the views of Madison on factionalism or the strong commitment to minorities as recognized by the Bill of Rights.
Monfd
It's the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do as an American.
Monfd
This is the precise reasoning Nixon used to use ever increasing violent acts against leftist groups during his presidency.
emogirl
they are not really concerned
emogirl
they are pretending to be for political gain
Monfd
emogirl: The right is now a mindless faction that only wants to keep gaining power with no end.
emogirl
Disagree
Monfd
There's no compromising or working with these people.
emogirl
because I have a former boss
emogirl
who is a republican
emogirl
my cousin is a republican
emogirl
he wants the best for his family and kid
emogirl
he's not a mindless right wing automaton
dOm3r
rightless mind
Monfd
These republican friends of yours, according to studies, probably have conspiracy theories as a major part of their worldview.
emogirl
he wants low taxes and small gov
Monfd
And leverage those conspiracy theories as part of "wanting what's best for their family and kid".
emogirl
well...
emogirl
I can't speak to stats
emogirl
but not all republicans are evil
emogirl
most are just misled
Monfd
emogirl: The phrase "low taxes and small gov" means absolutely nothing in the present political landscape.
Monfd
It's a content-free utterance.
emogirl
I'm on your side
Monfd
It only means that person is deeply uninformed about the state of politics in the USA in 2018.
emogirl
just saying don't paint the other side as monolithic
emogirl
most are uninformed
emogirl
they have jobs and lives
Monfd
emogirl: I am allowing scientific studies to allow me to make aggregate statements.
Monfd
A majority of GOP voters have lost their fucking minds.
Monfd
And it's unlikely they'll ever return to the fold of civil society.
emogirl
disagree
emogirl
the 30% of trump loyalists maybe
emogirl
but not republican voters in general
Monfd
emogirl: 90% of GOP voters CURRENTLY support Trump.
emogirl
it's their team
Monfd
He's a clear Russian pawn actively working to destroy the press and law enforcement.
Monfd
90%
emogirl
ofc they support someone with R on their name
emogirl
You think I don't know what Trump is?
emogirl
lol
emogirl
Trump banned me from the military
Monfd
So, you're telling me that they'll support somebody -- no matter what -- if they have a R next to their name.
Monfd
That is precisely my point.
emogirl
yes and many dems do the same
Monfd
False.
emogirl
I used to
emogirl
when I was dem
Monfd
Multiple studies refute that claim.
emogirl
ok
Monfd
You just did an intense false equivalency.
emogirl
Both parties are composed of flawed humans
Monfd
To defend conspiracy theorist GOP voters.
Monfd
C'mon.
emogirl
sadly
Monfd
The two parties are incomparable in 2018.
emogirl
the democrats are far from saints
emogirl
they are sold out to wall street
Monfd
You're doing whataboutism.
emogirl
corporations
emogirl
the military industrial complex
Monfd
We're currently talking about the GOP.
emogirl
I'm pointing out your bias
Monfd
False.
emogirl
we're talking about politics
emogirl
Diane F is worth $100 million
Monfd
My thesis: A majority of GOP voters have lost their fucking minds and leverage conspiracy theories as core parts of their ideology.
Monfd
The status of Democrats is irrelevant to this thesis.
emogirl
maybe
emogirl
I have seen in my own life
Monfd
Your points are important, but non sequiturs in this context.
emogirl
what happens when a moderate republican starts going down the fox news rabbit hole
Monfd
"You think we're so innocent?" - Donald Trump
emogirl
heh
Monfd
That's literally what you're doing.
emogirl
who cares what Trump says
emogirl
I care what Mueller says
emogirl
I'm not trying to have a formal debate Monfd
emogirl
I'm just chatting
Monfd
I wish to discuss the fact that the GOP is no longer a valid political party.
emogirl
I agree with that 100%
Monfd
It's a minority insurgency attempting to capture the USA.
emogirl
neither are the dems
emogirl
republicans only win with gerrymandering and voter id laws
emogirl
and outright fraud
Monfd
It needs to be utterly annihilated.
emogirl
that seems extreme
emogirl
it needs to be reformed
emogirl
it's not going away
emogirl
here in reality world
Monfd
That GOP voters -- 90% of them -- will continue to support this insurgency group because of the R next to their name is precisely my point.
emogirl
ok
emogirl
and I agree
Monfd
Factionalism of this type was highlighted by Madison as *the number one most anti-American thing to do*.
emogirl
but I don't want to murder republicans
emogirl
I agree
Monfd
emogirl: The best solution to the GOP is for a nationwide boycott of GOP agents everywhere, coupled with a broad RICO against them for their obvious collusion with Russia.
emogirl
I'm for no political parties
emogirl
I'm for no nation states
emogirl
Muelle will take care of Trump Criminal Inc
emogirl
I hope
Monfd
It seems likely.
Monfd
I hope he's able to roll it up into a RICO against the GOP>
Monfd
Which seems quite plausible.
Monfd
For example, given Butina and the NRA connection.
Monfd
According to studies, emogirl, your republican friends don't have valid political views.
emogirl
the irony of Giuliani repping trump
emogirl
is so thick
Monfd
I encourage you to ask them which three policies of the GOP they're most attracted to.
emogirl
Monfd: but they are my friends and family and good people
emogirl
I talk to them
emogirl
I drop hints, articles
Monfd
Being for abortion is valid, and being against abortion is valid.
Monfd
Lying about invading caravans is invalid.
emogirl
ofc
emogirl
that's not mainstream republicans
emogirl
it's conservative media
emogirl
and trumplandia
Monfd
That *is* the GOP in 2018.
emogirl
Do you have a single friend who is a republican Monfd
Monfd
There's no gap between Trumpism and the GOP anymore.
emogirl
serious question
Monfd
Of course.
emogirl
ok
emogirl
anyway
emogirl
look at David Frum
Monfd
Mainstream republicans are Trump supporters.
emogirl
some republicans hate trump
Monfd
90% of GOP voters support Trump.
emogirl
not elected
emogirl
but former republicans
emogirl
with brains
emogirl
hate trump
Monfd
Right -- before the Trump takeover of the GOP.
Monfd
It's not the same party it was 4 years ago.
emogirl
I would love Mitt Romney
emogirl
if he could take over from Trump
emogirl
at least Romney isn't in debt to Putin
Monfd
Romney has valid political positions.
Monfd
Let's see if he seriously works against Trump.
emogirl
I hope Joe Biden runs
Monfd
Romney has a wondrous opportunity to replace Trump.
emogirl
he will win Michigan, PA, and Wisconsin
emogirl
slam dunk
Monfd
He could become a huge figure in American history.
emogirl
I hope Romney primaries trump
emogirl
to weaken him
Monfd
Or he could defend Trump like almost every active member of the GOP.
emogirl
naw
Monfd
Until mass media is regulated, Trumpism and worse will never go away.
Monfd
This is the GOP until it's devastated by something like a RICO hit.
emogirl
Capitalism is the problem, corporate media is a symptom
Monfd
I think there's a lot of truth to that.
emogirl
Marx said that capitalism will vomit up fascism
emogirl
before it dies
Monfd
It's not even clear Romney can successfully primary Trump.
Monfd
GOP voters are nuts.
emogirl
Doesn't matter if he wins
emogirl
the primary challenge alone will weaken trump
Monfd
All the establishment GOP choices got crushed in 2016.
emogirl
Like Ted Kennedy did to Carter
emogirl
in 1980
Monfd
I dunno.
Monfd
When was the last time we saw that on the right?
emogirl
Trump will resign in disgrace
Monfd
GOP voters are good at falling in line
emogirl
I think
emogirl
or lose in 2020
emogirl
to a moderate centrist dem
Monfd
It seems very unlikely he can beat the Dem in 2020
Monfd
Hillary was the 2nd most dislike candidate in contemporary history
emogirl
independents and dems are not drinking the koolaie
Monfd
And Trump is much less popular now
emogirl
as long as the dems don't nominate another hillary
emogirl
we're good
Monfd
I would agree.
emogirl
I now know what it was like to live through watergate
Monfd
I can't remember if you follow much Jordan Peterson?
emogirl
yes
emogirl
I do
emogirl
not a huge fan
Monfd
Remember what he said about voting for Trump?
emogirl
no
emogirl
?
Monfd
I always thought that was a terribly moronic comment
emogirl
quote?
Monfd
Looking it up
emogirl has set topic: "I'm takin' two-by-fours to our eight-by-tens / Bitch, it's you I tore out the frame, I win"
Monfd
I thought that 00:31 what I probably would have done when it 00:34 came right down to it because I had to 00:35 vote hey in this struggle so that was a 00:37 pretty reasonable simulation I think 00:39 what I would have done was walk into the 00:41 voting booth with the intention of 00:43 voting for Clinton mm-hm and then at the 00:45 last minute gone to hell with it I'm not 00:47 doing it and voted for Trump
Monfd
I have always considered this a devastating comment for Peterson
emogirl
lol
emogirl
Peterson got eviscerated by Harris on religion
Monfd
He states that when faced with an enormous decision, at the last moment, he would have made a very impulse decision that obviously was wrong
emogirl
yeah
Monfd
Says a lot about his character
emogirl
Trump grabs women by the pussy
emogirl
Peterson is a misogynist
emogirl
divorced
Monfd
I haven't seen evidence of that @ misogynist
emogirl
lol?
Monfd
What would be your argument
emogirl
you heard him talk?
Monfd
I've consumed about 50 of his videos
emogirl
He thinks women should be barefoot and preggers
emogirl
in the kitchen
Monfd
That seems a complete lie
emogirl
lol?
emogirl
exaggeration maybe
emogirl
not a lie
Monfd
Quote?
emogirl
I don't have an exact quote atm
emogirl
can look for it
Monfd
I allowed myself to explore the possibility of a Trump presidency from about Mar 2016 to May 2016
emogirl
but he said something to the effect that when women turn 30 they look back on their lives and realize the only thing that matters is having kids
Monfd
And, like many, I was captured somewhat by Russian propaganda
Monfd
By May 2016 I was Never Trump
emogirl
you entertained trump?
emogirl
seriously?
Monfd
I realized that his position on nuclear weapons was absolutely disqualifying regardless of every other position he might have
emogirl
lol
Monfd
I did
emogirl
wow
emogirl
you're much more openminded than me
emogirl
Trump has been human garbage in public since 1985
Monfd
I'm both proud and embarrassed
emogirl
He's a parody of everything wrong with america
Monfd
Proud, because it's important to allow computational processes to analyze data before making a conclusion and I did all this long before the decision time
emogirl
capitalism, greed, narcisissm
Monfd
Embarrassed, because he was always such an obvious moron and terrible choice
04:05 emogirl
yes
emogirl
imagine how his voters feel
Monfd
emogirl: Peterson seems to broadly support equality for women
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He points to studies showing that there are biological differences between men and women and some parts of the left find that heresy
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Which baffles me
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Science > all
emogirl
He has a daughter
emogirl
who only eats beef
emogirl
have you read aobut her
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Yeah, I saw he's trying to push her a bit on his feed
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Twitter feed*
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First I heard of her
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Like 4 hours ago
emogirl
I'm surprised she's not dead
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Celebrating the eating of beef is highly moronic in my view
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One, it's in our nature to eat meat and so doing things in your nature generally warrants no celebration
emogirl
also climate change
emogirl
cows fart methane
emogirl
and clear cutting trees to create grazing land
emogirl
releases a lot of co2
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Two, beef is extremely water inefficient and Western consumption rates are unsustainable. So glorifying beef eating is an existential threat to our civilization
emogirl
true
emogirl
but I still eat meat
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Three, as you mentioned, it's a terrible climate change problem, which is an existential threat to our civilization
emogirl
cause it tastes good
emogirl is a horrible person
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Four, it's less healthy than a plant-based diet that is mildly thoughtful
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Well, hear my nuance, though
emogirl
we evolved to eat meat
emogirl
but we also evolved to rape and murder
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You can have water sustainability by reducing meat consumption, but keeping it above zero
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The sustainable rate is about 1/6 of the average American's meat eating rate
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And you can improve the climate change effect by merely reducing meat consumption
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So, in this context, I'm merely arguing it's moronic to celebrate it -- not to do it so much
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The celebration of meat eating is actually putting the individual above the species
emogirl
sure
emogirl
I don't celebrate it
emogirl
I dont' want colon cancer
emogirl
I try to be moderate
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I am currently an ovo-vegetarian, but here I'm only arguing for moderation
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'Hey, I like meat, it's natural to eat, but I also care about the climate and water sustainability'
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I can absolutely work with that
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But, the 'beef is so fucking great I can't stop shoving it down my throat!' is essentially pure sin
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It's a celebration of the impulse over the reason
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It's deeply violative of Christian and Greek values
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Both of which are at the core of the Western experience
emogirl
It's baccalaureate
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And both of which Peterson claims to value
emogirl
Dionysis
emogirl
Consumption above all
emogirl
but if I had a daughter and eating beef saved her
emogirl
I might prosteltize too
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Further, these people often tell us about how they're somehow benefit humanity by eating meat since it's what we're evolved to do
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Which is incredibly revealing about their understanding of modernity
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Bret Weinstein recently had a great refutation of this argument
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I don't know if you saw that
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Humans evolved to fit the past -- like all species. But with humans, due to technology, we've changed our landscape extraordinarily quickly
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Therefore, all our impulses need to be seriously reflected upon to see if they're still just
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And eating meat as we did in our evolutionary youth isn't compatible with 7.6 billion humans on Earth
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Eating meat at scale*
emogirl
true
emogirl
we should kill some humans
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Which is ironic because this is the exact same reasoning for climate change
emogirl
and eat meat
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In our past, we could do whatever the fuck we wanted without thinking about changing the global climate
emogirl
As bill burr says, lets start by sinking cruise ships
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Which is absolutely false today
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Burr is funny
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I haven't heard him say that
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He's got a pretty nice insight into human silliness
emogirl
hehe
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It's also critically important to separate specialized diets for people in unique circumstances to generalized dietary practices
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If a person is going to die if they don't eat meat, that's a very different moral situation than "I love the taste of this steak!"