Wolf vs Ame Tad Judgement

Wolf 1:
- Preemptive anti-chain feat posting. Smart.
- Julius has excellent dura scaling to concrete busting punches.
- Strength scaling for hurting the same guy, who smashes concrete with his face and eats Iron Breakers.
- There's scaling to inferior versions (young Waka, weaker Iron Breaker user) that make this scaling even better.
- Statement for Julius being more durable than Waka.
- Also Julius has objective feats for massively busting concrete too.
- Julius blocks enormously powerful strikes.
- Holy shit it's still going.
- Julius has strong grip, which he uses to break limbs.
- Julius is smart in fights and uses knowledge of human bodies.
- Okay now we can move on.
- Wolf confidently asserts Ghost Rider won't be able to overpower Julius, cannot hurt him with chains, and can't grab him to get off Penance Stare.
- Antifeat for Ghost Rider vs Punisher. Wolf promises there are even more.
- Wolf claims Ghost Rider's fire doesn't have feats for burning hot so he doesn't have to address heat res.
- Jackie can't hurt Julius. Jackie doesn't have antistealth. Is killed by Deadspot's invisible sneak attack which is giga electrcity.

Ame 1:
- Ghost Rider craters stone with punches + chain slams.
- Ghost Rider's chain morphs into piercing weapons. Has more piercing from ranged pickup.
- Ghost Rider has fire he can use on its own or with his chain. Fire is hot enough to melt metal.
- Also he has good dura.
- Also also he has good reactions and a very fast bike.
- Jackie is strong and has sharp claws + tendrils. He gets more piercing in the form of guns from ranged pickup.
- Jackie has solid dura.
- Jackie has solid reactions & movement.
- Wolf team has no piercing or heat res.
- Ame team has solid blunt dura.
- Ame team are zoners who fight from mid-range with long chains/tendrils.
- Ghost Rider bike is stupid fast & manoeuvrable so no shot of stopping him from reaching ranged pickup. Jackie can ride it too.
- Pickups exacerbate ranged advantage for Ame's team and add swarms of Darkness minions w/ sharp claws as distractions.
- Ame's team oneshots with piercing from a distance and oneshot from an even further distance if they get the pickup.

Wolf 2:
- Ghost Rider's best crater feats are worse than Waka's worst. Waka can't take down Julius.
- Julius easily stops a throw that makes a crater comparable to Ghost Rider's chain swing.
- Ramming with the bike has too much windup to be a viable means of damage through this fight.
- Chain piercing feats are only piercing human goons.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I *think* what Wolf is insinuating here is that since he's argued chains as piercing and Julius nosold them in the F1 feat, Ghost Rider can't pierce him if his chains are only shown cutting normal people.
- Ghost Rider only seems to use piercing vs non-humans. Some pretty solid evidence for this.
- Ghost Rider opens fights with blunt, not piercing.
- Wolf contests Ghost Rider's shurikens as piercing since they seem to explode.
- The metal melting feat for hellfire is fake, some kind of magical backlash.
- Hellfire only melts demons because of supernatural weaknesses.
- Many instances of hellfire being cold, not hot.
- Julius has pain res/willpower so the pain of the hellfire won't matter.
- Julius can hurt Ghost Rider with his punches.
- The bike will be slowed down by cramped quarters in the train station. He needs room to accelerate.
- Jackie's crater feat is <<< what is needed to hurt Julius.
- Jackie's tendrils only cut goons like the chains. Also he seems to prefer melee.
- His dura is also worse than Julius's offense.
- Jackie's movement statement is in context of him being in a jungle. Cars can't move fast through dense jungle.
- Ame's team will struggle to hurt Julius with strikes and don't have/won't use heat/piercing. Deadspot is also an X factor who can oneshot whenever she feels like breaking stealth.
- Further evidence that Julius will resist piercing. Shows Chain as cutting, lesser Kengan musculatures block blades & piercing martial arts strikes.

Ame 2:
- Hellfire is hot.
- Chains/tendrils are sharp. Especially good evidence of this for Jackie, who piercing through a helicopter.
I'm not convinced by the "androids" though. I'm sure you're telling the truth here, it's just there's nothing visually telling me they're metal and their cuts spray human looking blood. Also for Ghost Rider's feat, there is also no substantiated evidence for Brood piercing res.
- Ghost Rider's chain tears up the ground and is constantly on fire. Will burn on contact.
- Jackie has long reach and can, in addition to sharp tendrils, throw Dhalsim punches that break helicopters in half.
- The F1 in the chain feat isn't moving at 300 km/h, it would need more space to accelerate.
- These chains aren't piercing in the way GR's bladed chain is.
- Julius is hurt (and might've been killed) by Blast Core, which Ame says isn't that much better than his picks' striking.
Gonna be real with you chief that crater looks way bigger than what you've shown me for Ghost Rider. With the helicopter punch, I buy Jackie can do that though.
- All the scaling to Waka is separated by a 2 year timeskip. Waka's muscles keep getting bigger with time and are the reason he's so durable, so the scaling doesn't work since he'd be more durable when he gets all the dura feats than when he fights Julius.
- Reiterating his own team's dura.
Good stuff, especially subway feat for Ghost Rider. I buy they can take at least two or three of Julius's average hits.
- Grappling won't work since both Ame's picks >>> a metal bar.
- Ghost Rider also has regen and Jackie has backup organs.
Ghost Rider I understand but Wolf argued Julius would use his grip to break limbs and backup organs don't fix that.
- Grappling would also expose Julius to hellfire/bioelectricity.
- Deadspot invis isn't reliable, shorts out when she gets hit.
- Jackie also has enhanced senses in darkness and GR can sense life forces + smell sinners.
- Deadspot's electricity isn't reliable either. Leaves people conscious.
In the scans presented everybody hit by it goes down, even if they're like, groggily mumbling to themselves, they're out of the fight.
- Ghost Rider is a skeleton with no nervous system to fry.
- Jackie eats his own electricity amped and turned back on him and has backup organs if the electricity stops his heart.
- Ignore anti-feats because the version Ame's running is amped.

Result:

Wolf wins.

Things I bought
- The chains are piercing.
- Kengan musculature scaling is real.
- Hellfire is cold, and only burns demons.
- Ghost Rider doesn't use piercing against humans.
- Julius doesn't get to scale to Waka across a timeskip.
- Team Ame get their ranged pickups.
- Ghost Rider can resist Deadspot's electricity.

Things I didn't buy
- Team Ame won't detect Deadspot until it's too late.
- Deadspot can hurt Jackie.
- Ghost Rider antifeats aren't relevant.
- Jackie definitely uses his tendrils at range in fights.

Good form from both. This was an incredibly difficult one to weigh and an all around interesting matchup. Wolf's team centered on the fuckhuge solid brick that is Julius where Team Ame mixed respectable baseline stats with various ranged esoteric damage types. Both parties seemed to agree that the fight is essentially a 2v1 against Julius with Deadspot hanging out and providing support by sneak attacking somebody midway through the fight. Julius is such an absolute monster that he can handle himself in that 2v1, especially because Wolf effectively disproved Ghost Rider's use of heat/sharp. Jackie, however, is definitely willing and able to pierce Julius with the helicopter feat, though thanks to Wolf's Kengan muscle scaling, especially Devil Lance casually piercing concrete, I buy that Julius's muscles do enough to slow down the tendrils that Jackie can't oneshot with them. Ame did an excellent job evidencing his team's good physicals, and especially with his crucial takedown of Wolf's scaling to Waka across the 2 year timeskip, I think they could hurt Julius with blunt strikes if they kept wailing on him. The issue here is that even without the later Waka scaling, he still gets enough valid scaling to Waka's omegacraters that he can stand and fight for a long time. Conversely, while Julius's middling strikes are survivable by Ame's picks, they are absolutely not something they can stand up to and if he lands a single big blow like in the feat where he uses Waka to destroy the arena, they're dead on contact. Deadspot is the cherry on top here that guarantees either a kill or a distraction depending on who she picks for her sneak attack. With her electricity feat of burning through electro-proof webbing, I believe she can oneshot Jackie who is hurt in his only interaction with an electric attack. Even if she went for Ghost Rider, the temporary distraction would be an effective death sentence vs Julius.