Storytime with Jarudin | Jarudin tells tales of BakaBT lore

December 13, 2012
#bbtgenchicha

[16:20:07] <+NeonFlame> Does bakabt stand for anything in particular?
[16:20:15] <+NeonFlame> No i highfived her and grinned.
[16:20:16] <+NeonFlame> sheesh.
[16:20:16] <+Saras> Idiot Bittorent.
[16:20:21] <+Kuyou> lol
[16:20:22] <+NeonFlame> LOL
[16:20:25] <+Dhruv> there was thread for on the forums
[16:20:34] <+kurandoinu> The name was hated when the change happened
[16:20:39] <+kurandoinu> Really really hated
[16:20:40] <+NeonFlame> I figured with baka.. but i wasn't sure witht he bt... ahahah that's great.
[16:20:46] <+NeonFlame> What did it start out being?
[16:20:50] <+nodame-chan> i'm tired..
[16:20:53] <+kurandoinu> Boxtorrents
[16:20:56] <+Dhruv> bxtorrents
[16:20:59] <+NeonFlame> I like the new one better.
[16:21:00] <+Kuyou> then there was a takeover
[16:21:01] <+nodame-chan> why did i decide to do extra work..
[16:21:02] <+Kuyou> \o/
[16:21:07] <+kurandoinu> I forget people do not know the history
[16:21:07] <+nodame-chan> who the hell asked me
[16:21:09] <+NeonFlame> because you're a silly girl noda. :P
[16:21:09] <+Saras> Yeah, I remmember hearing about Box from the chan.
[16:21:11] <+nodame-chan> nobody..
[16:21:19] <+Kuyou> I read about the history
[16:21:23] <+Kuyou> because i was bored
[16:21:23] <+nodame-chan> because i want a day off
[16:21:23] <+kurandoinu> I signed up the week it happened
[16:21:24] <+kurandoinu> Lol
[16:21:34] <+NeonFlame> Oh fun, joining during chaos. Lol.
[16:21:35] <+kurandoinu> Was like o.o Where'd it go?
[16:21:36] <+Dhruv> i joined it before when it was boxtorrents
[16:21:43] <+Kuyou> orly
[16:21:46] <+kurandoinu> Want a medal for that?
[16:21:49] <+kurandoinu> ._.
[16:21:49] <+Dhruv> but my account was pruned for inactivity
[16:21:54] <+Kuyou> lawl
[16:21:59] <+Saras> I've had a few of those go like that.
[16:22:06] <+NeonFlame> was there a reason it was changed? like, the takeover people didn't like the old name or something?
[16:22:07] <+kurandoinu> No medal for pruned people
[16:22:12] <+nodame-chan> damn i still have an hour of work or so.. =.=
[16:22:15] <+nodame-chan> fuck this world
[16:22:17] <+kurandoinu> There was a lot of shit NeonFlame
[16:22:23] <+Dhruv> why kuran? :(
[16:22:28] <+NeonFlame> What kind of shit? o.o
[16:22:33] <+Dhruv> no medal for me :(
[16:22:34] <+Saras> Never came to the forums or the like.  I jus registered got what I wanted and... never came back again.
[16:22:45] <+Saras> Oh well. I suppose the 5th odd time doens't lie.
[16:22:50] Dhruv highfives saras
[16:22:56] <+kurandoinu> Its in the news section somewhere
[16:23:13] <+kurandoinu> DOnation money was being pocketed
[16:23:16] <+Kuyou> mhm
[16:23:48] <+Dhruv> you mean announcements kuran?
[16:23:52] <+NeonFlame> oh jeez.  Wow.
[16:24:06] <+Saras> That's a pretty big no-no.
[16:24:19] <+kurandoinu> Yes Dhruv.
[16:24:24] <+Saras> Still, why the change to BakaBT?
[16:24:30] nodame-chan wants to kill herself and finally rest in peace.
[16:24:31] <+Kuyou> hullarious
[16:25:32] Kuyou hugs nodame-chan
[16:25:32] <+Kuyou> DONT DIE
[16:25:32] <+kurandoinu> Don't ask me, ask the staff!
[16:25:32] <+Kuyou> i like BBT's name
[16:25:32] <+Dhruv> lemme search
[16:25:32] <+kurandoinu> And the section IS called news
[16:25:32] <+kurandoinu> I checked
[16:25:32] <+nodame-chan> Jarudin why did you change to bbt from boxtorrents?
[16:25:32] <+Kuyou> \o/
[16:25:32] <+Dhruv> when did the change happen?
[16:25:32] <+Jarudin> oh, that's a pretty long story
[16:25:32] <+nodame-chan> it sounds cooler
[16:25:32] <+nodame-chan> i think
[16:25:32] <+nodame-chan> :D
[16:25:32] <+Kuyou> no
[16:25:32] <+kurandoinu> A few years ago?
[16:25:32] <+Kuyou> bbt is cooler
[16:25:32] <+Dhruv> tell us why jaru
[16:25:32] <+nodame-chan> yeah
[16:25:32] <+nodame-chan> bbt
[16:25:32] <+Kuyou> oic
[16:25:36] <+Saras> I suppose getting adverts for a place having "torrent"in it might be hard.
[16:25:37] <+nodame-chan> i mean bbt baka otouto
[16:25:38] <+Kuyou> Baby Bottle Torrents
[16:25:40] <+kurandoinu> June/July 2009 I believe?
[16:25:52] <+NeonFlame> Jarudin, you should tell us the story anyway. :)
[16:25:56] <+kurandoinu> Big Bang Theory
[16:25:56] <+nodame-chan> ^
[16:26:01] <+Kuyou> ^^
[16:26:02] <+Kuyou> lol
[16:26:05] <+Dhruv> lemme check for topics around that time
[16:26:10] <+kurandoinu> Everyone sit down and we'll alll listen to a story
[16:26:13] <+nodame-chan> I want to know
[16:26:19] <+nodame-chan> yeah
[16:26:19] NeonFlame likes listening to stories. :)
[16:26:24] <+Dhruv> Jaru tell us
[16:26:25] <+kurandoinu> From Jarudinarino
[16:26:28] <+nodame-chan> come on Jaru-chan :)
[16:26:29] <+Kuyou> I'd liek to hear it from great commander Jarudin himself
[16:26:31] <+Kuyou> like*
[16:26:32] <+Jarudin> yea yea, hold on
[16:26:35] <+NeonFlame> rofl
[16:26:35] <+kurandoinu> Ha ha
[16:26:38] <+Saras> We should make a Jarudin out of Arduino.
[16:26:44] <+nodame-chan> ok nobody writes
[16:26:47] <+Saras> To tell us stories of the worlds long past.
[16:26:51] <+nodame-chan> let only Jaru to write
[16:26:59] <+nodame-chan> it'll be easier to read
[16:27:03] <+nodame-chan> agreed?
[16:27:09] <+Dhruv> you stop writing 1st
[16:27:19] <+Jarudin> looks like the original post is gone
[16:27:22] <+Jarudin> but here's a cache
[16:27:26] <+Jarudin> https://forum.suprbay.org/showthread.php?tid=3306
[16:27:28] <+Jarudin> read that
[16:27:30] <+Kuyou> wow.
[16:27:33] <+Kuyou> cheaaaap
[16:27:41] <+Saras> I've expected too much.
[16:27:50] <+Saras> You're a bad story bot Jarudin.
[16:27:54] <+Jarudin> this was the message Nazo posted when we swithced to BakaBT
[16:28:03] <+nodame-chan> meh
[16:28:17] <+Kuyou> Actually, I think this is the one i read
[16:28:18] <+Kuyou> XD
[16:28:22] <+Jarudin> I'm not a great story teller
[16:28:25] <+kurandoinu> Jarudin is a poop story teller
[16:28:43] <+nodame-chan> oh i'll read it later
[16:28:47] <+nodame-chan> to long :D
[16:28:52] <+Jarudin> hmm
[16:28:54] <+Dhruv> so Duki was appointed after that only?
[16:28:59] <+Jarudin> I suppose I could tell you my story
[16:29:30] <+Kuyou> :D
[16:29:32] <+Jarudin> I joined the site .. apparently over 7 years ago
[16:29:47] <+kurandoinu> "This is my story"
[16:29:48] <+Jarudin> Boxtorrents was different from all other trackers
[16:30:01] <+nodame-chan> ah damn i want to chat to you ppl
[16:30:05] <+nodame-chan> fuck this work! :D
[16:30:06] <+Jarudin> instead of just allowing everything there was actually a quality check
[16:30:27] <+Jarudin> back then we had a rule of only one torrent of each series
[16:30:41] <+Jarudin> and only complete stuff
[16:30:51] <+kurandoinu> Random question, but IS there a film/tv show equivalent of BBT?
[16:31:00] <+Jarudin> huh?
[16:31:04] Kuyou slaps kurandoinu
[16:31:06] <+Kuyou> SHUSH
[16:31:24] <+Jarudin> so when I joined the site it had already gone through it's share of daram
[16:31:35] <+Jarudin> I don't know much of the details but Malus told me some stuff
[16:31:36] <+Saras> Oh fuck Jarudin.
[16:31:42] <+Saras> You're a coup leader.
[16:31:43] <+Saras> Damn.
[16:31:45] <+Jarudin> Box founded it in 2003 I think
[16:31:47] <+kurandoinu> Pish
[16:31:49] kurandoinu goes
[16:31:50] <+Jarudin> along with some other guys
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[16:32:17] <+Jarudin> at some point some staffers didn't quite agree with how Box was running stuff and they tried a coup
[16:32:23] <+Jarudin> somehow they failed
[16:32:28] <+NeonFlame> kurandoinu, i would say tvttorrents is close
[16:32:34] <+Jarudin> I think they went on and became datorrents
[16:32:40] <+NeonFlame> But you need an invite to get in.
[16:32:41] <+Jarudin> which is a shit tracker
[16:32:54] <+Jarudin> if they're still alive
[16:33:02] <+Jarudin> so, Box found himself without any staff
[16:33:09] <+kurandoinu> NeonFlame: Is it hard to get an invite? (And thanks for actually answering)
[16:33:11] <+Jarudin> from what I gather he randomly appointed a few people
[16:33:23] <+Jarudin> and it worked out alright I suppose
[16:33:32] <+Jarudin> some staff turned out to be bad, but some were good
[16:33:40] <+NeonFlame> kurandoinu: I have an account, I could invite you. :)  I have to give you credit to get you in.  But we can talk about tha tlater, i wanna listen to Jarudin. :P
[16:33:53] <+NeonFlame> Can always remove staff and put new staff in right?
[16:34:00] <+Jarudin> Malus' name was Nahli back then
[16:34:03] <+Jarudin> later changed to Nah
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[16:34:11] <+Jarudin> I think Force was already part of staff
[16:34:14] <+Jarudin> and MusicWizard
[16:34:23] <+Jarudin> and Kotu as well, the previous developer
[16:34:39] <+Jarudin> so when I joined Boxtorrents back then we didn't have CCCP yet
[16:34:50] <+Jarudin> so a lot of people were having trouble playing the videos
[16:35:05] <+Jarudin> especially .mkv was hard for people
[16:35:28] <+Jarudin> so I went around the forums trying to explain to people how to install codecs
[16:35:47] <+Jarudin> I enjoyed that
[16:35:57] <+Jarudin> and at some point I got invited to staff
[16:36:03] <+Jarudin> I think I was a member for about 1 year then
[16:36:09] <+Jarudin> I became a moderator
[16:36:15] <+Jarudin> I didn't use IRC yet back then
[16:36:27] <+Jarudin> I hopped on a few times when the server was down but not much other than that
[16:36:30] <+Jarudin> oh yea .. the server
[16:36:33] <+Jarudin> it was shit back then
[16:36:38] <+Jarudin> it would go down about every week
[16:36:47] <+Jarudin> and Box would have to call up the host to reset it
[16:36:53] <+Jarudin> and Box was generally not around
[16:36:56] <+Jarudin> so that didn't go so well
[16:37:02] <+Jarudin> site was down for long periods of time
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[16:37:09] <+NeonFlame> that's rough
[16:37:18] <+Jarudin> since by then I already had a interest in webdevelopment
[16:37:23] <+Jarudin> and an equal interest in anime
[16:37:32] <+Jarudin> I poked Kotu a bit about the technical side of thing
[16:37:40] <+Jarudin> how does the tracker work, how does the server work? etc.
[16:38:05] <+Jarudin> after about a year of moderating and poking Kotu he caved and gave me access to the server
[16:38:19] <+Havocoid> So, I'm standing stark naked in the window
[16:38:25] <+Jarudin> that's when I started making major changes to the code
[16:38:37] <+Havocoid> Drinking beer
[16:38:40] <+Jarudin> first of all, the tracker was running like shit
[16:39:01] <+Jarudin> it's like it created a bunch of data to be updated
[16:39:09] <+Jarudin> which was then carried around multiple tables
[16:39:20] <+Jarudin> only to be painfully merged later on
[16:39:28] <+Jarudin> oh, and back then, the ratio tracking was shiit
[16:39:33] <+Jarudin> it was done based on IP
[16:39:39] <+Jarudin> doesn't work so well if you share IPs
[16:39:53] <+Jarudin> you had to 'lock' your IP to your account
[16:39:57] <+NeonFlame> Doesn't work well if you're downloading on different ips either.
[16:40:01] <+Jarudin> if your IP ever changed you couldn't track your ratio
[16:40:07] <+Jarudin> NeonFlame, yea
[16:40:26] <+Jarudin> so I started improving stuff
[16:40:31] <+Jarudin> one part at a time
[16:40:57] <+Jarudin> I fixed the tracker so it could update to the database as intended
[16:41:05] <+Jarudin> that alone fixed ALL the server crashes
[16:41:14] <+Jarudin> but it did take me a looong time to figure it out
[16:41:25] <+Jarudin> since the tracker is written in C++, and I don't really do C++
[16:41:38] <+NeonFlame> Interesting.
[16:41:42] <+Jarudin> the tracker now works with passkeys, which is a much more reliable way to identify people
[16:41:55] <+Jarudin> I also made changes allthroughout the site
[16:41:58] <+Jarudin> improving search
[16:42:04] <+Jarudin> improving torrent descriptions
[16:42:10] <+Jarudin> back then, torrent descriptions were just text
[16:42:12] <+Havocoid> C++ is fun
[16:42:14] <+Jarudin> with links
[16:42:27] <+Jarudin> I was one of the pioneers of HTML descriptions
[16:42:43] <+Jarudin> since not everyone was very good at it
[16:42:47] <+Jarudin> we made templates
[16:42:57] <+Jarudin> I made a simple template engine .. which is still being used to date I think
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[16:43:02] <+nodame-chan> but damn it you're cool. you did a shitload of work. RESPECT!!!
[16:43:13] <+Jarudin> at one point I was working on the site for like 10 hours a day
[16:43:19] <+Jarudin> Uni .. not do so much :P
[16:43:23] <+Jarudin> doing*
[16:43:37] <+Jarudin> this was when I realised I found something I really enjoyed doing
[16:44:03] <+Jarudin> so ..
[16:44:05] <+NeonFlame> hahah, that's pretty awesome.
[16:44:11] <+nodame-chan> come on don't be humble! Hale to Jarudin-sama!
[16:44:12] <+Jarudin> there were still problems
[16:44:19] <+Jarudin> basically Kotu had dissappeared
[16:44:26] <+Jarudin> Malus was the big chief
[16:44:39] <+Jarudin> and Force was helping me with the server-side of things
[16:44:59] <+Jarudin> by then I had improved the site a lot
[16:45:05] <+Jarudin> I decided to add statistics
[16:45:05] <+Dhruv> force is still here iirc
[16:45:21] <+Jarudin> like, graphs of how many torrents we have, number of seeders, leechers, torrent clients
[16:45:31] <+Jarudin> so I could make good predicitions about how to change the site
[16:45:36] <+NeonFlame> Makes sense.
[16:45:42] <+Jarudin> back then we were using Paypal for donations
[16:45:45] <+Jarudin> Box handled all donations
[16:45:49] <+Jarudin> which bothered me
[16:46:00] <+Jarudin> often there were people complaining about Box not messaging them back
[16:46:04] <+nodame-chan> Hail*
[16:46:09] <+Dhruv> you basically made what the site is right now.... i *BOW* i front of you
[16:46:13] <+NeonFlame> As in, confirming their donation was recieved?
[16:46:14] <+Jarudin> but overall the money aspect was invisible to us, and stuff did work
[16:46:38] <+Jarudin> NeonFlame, yea, Box had to manually give them donation status and so on
[16:46:52] <+Jarudin> this was when I got a really good idea
[16:46:54] <+NeonFlame> Ahhhh.  Okay, yeah that makes sense. I used to post on another forum that was a bit like that.
[16:47:00] <+Jarudin> Paypal has a service called IPN
[16:47:09] <+Jarudin> hmm no wait .. this was alter
[16:47:11] <+Jarudin> later*
[16:47:19] <+Jarudin> first, I built a better tool for Box
[16:47:28] <+Jarudin> so he could more quickly deal out donations to people
[16:47:34] <+Jarudin> keep track of who donated what etc.
[16:47:40] <+Jarudin> that worked fine for a time
[16:47:48] <+Jarudin> till I decided to run up some statistics about donations
[16:47:52] <+NeonFlame> uh oh.
[16:47:56] <+Jarudin> that was when I was shocked
[16:48:01] <+Jarudin> I double, triple checked
[16:48:07] <+Jarudin> I told Malus about it
[16:48:18] <+Jarudin> he was pretty conviced that wasn't right
[16:48:36] <+Dhruv> what was wrong there?
[16:48:53] <+Jarudin> there was more money comming in than could be reasonably expected for server bills
[16:49:09] <+Jarudin> we pay about 100 euro a month for the tracker server
[16:49:12] <+Dhruv> and?
[16:49:21] <+Jarudin> significantly more was comming in
[16:49:28] <+NeonFlame> And there was no record of where the rest of the money was goin gi assume.
[16:49:42] <+Jarudin> yea, it all went to Box' paypal
[16:49:57] <+Dhruv> cheapstake
[16:50:00] <+Jarudin> and since Box really wasn't involved with the site anymore at all back then we thought we should do something about that
[16:50:14] <+Jarudin> so me and Malus set scheming
[16:50:33] <+Jarudin> Force was having some personal issues back then so I had to rent, install and configure a Linux server
[16:50:37] <+Jarudin> something I had never done before
[16:50:41] <+Jarudin> I somehow got it working
[16:50:49] <+Jarudin> but that was the easy part
[16:50:54] <+Jarudin> the other staff didn't know yet
[16:51:16] <+Jarudin> we also had to come up with a domain name quick
[16:51:17] <+Saras> This is starting to sound like game of thrones.
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[16:51:26] <+NeonFlame> lmfao
[16:51:35] <+Jarudin> Malus suggested bakabt, I didn't like it much but it was simple, short and it works
[16:51:58] <+NeonFlame> couldn't keep the old one because it belonged to box
[16:51:58] <+NeonFlame> ?
[16:51:59] <+Jarudin> so I made a full copy of the site, the database and the tracker
[16:52:03] <+Jarudin> yea
[16:52:13] <+Jarudin> we have no access to the DNS or server admin panel
[16:52:16] <+Jarudin> had*
[16:52:17] <+NeonFlame> Yeah that makes sense.
[16:52:19] <+kurandoinu> Am I allowed to talk again or do I still have to stay silent? :/
[16:52:30] <+Jarudin> I also set up a Paypal account under my name
[16:52:30] <+NeonFlame> jarudin is just finishing up i think lol
[16:52:32] <+Dhruv> silent for a while more kuran
[16:52:44] <+Jarudin> and set up the IPN service so every donation would be automatically accounted for
[16:52:50] <+Jarudin> the system would keep track of donations
[16:52:55] <+nodame-chan> will be back in half an hour...
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[16:53:02] <+Jarudin> and close them when a certain threshold was reached
[16:53:07] <+NeonFlame> Then no on can mess around with the donations.
[16:53:16] <+Jarudin> and it's all transparent
[16:53:33] <+Jarudin> but back then we had no idea if it was going to work
[16:53:37] <+Dhruv> yeah saw it a while back
[16:53:46] <+Jarudin> I had to fork up 300 euro of my own cash to rent the server
[16:53:51] <+Saras> Wouldn't it still be wise to have a bit of an overhead? For slow months and the like.
[16:54:02] <+Jarudin> Saras, I'll get to that
[16:54:07] <+Jarudin> so then came the tricky part
[16:54:11] <+Dhruv> they already have it
[16:54:12] <+Jarudin> how do we move everyone over?
[16:54:16] <+Jarudin> will users accept it?
[16:54:20] <+Jarudin> will staff accept it?
[16:54:27] <+Jarudin> we let staff know first
[16:54:33] <+Jarudin> it was a tense moment
[16:54:41] <+Jarudin> but EVERYONE stepped over to our side
[16:54:54] <+NeonFlame> When money is being stolen, people tend to do that. lol
[16:54:57] <+Jarudin> largely because Malus and me were basically running the whole thing, not Box
[16:55:01] <+NeonFlame> Yeah.
[16:55:14] <+Jarudin> so we killed the old server
[16:55:23] <+Jarudin> emptied the database
[16:55:33] <+Jarudin> removed all the torrents, tracker and site code
[16:55:48] <+Jarudin> and left just a message saying we're moving to bakabt.com
[16:56:09] <+Jarudin> oh, and by that time I had been promoted to admin too
[16:56:25] <+NeonFlame> lol with all the work you'd done, not surprised.
[16:56:26] <+Jarudin> since I had access to the database I could have easily promoted myself but I wanted it to be legit
[16:56:29] <+Dhruv> why aren't you an admin now?
[16:56:36] <+Jarudin> I'll get to that
[16:56:46] <+Jarudin> so when we switched a shit storm broke loose
[16:56:53] <+Jarudin> people were confused
[16:57:06] <+Jarudin> we put up a post trying to explain everything as neutrally as we could
[16:57:21] <+Jarudin> not blaming Box for anything, but just saying we disagree with the way he was running the site
[16:57:29] <+Jarudin> that's basically the post I linked earlier
[16:57:30] <+NeonFlame> Right
[16:57:32] <+Jarudin> Nazo wrote that
[16:57:38] <+Jarudin> for which I am grateful
[16:57:47] <+Jarudin> neither Malus nor me could write it
[16:57:54] <+Jarudin> because we were the insigators
[16:58:04] <+NeonFlame> Yeah, need a "neutral" third party.
[16:58:06] <+Jarudin> staff stood behind us, and eventually so did the users
[16:58:16] <+Jarudin> I was still worried about donations
[16:58:24] <+Jarudin> but that ended up fine
[16:58:34] <+Jarudin> I think we raised 600 euro's in 24 hours
[16:58:40] <+NeonFlame> wow that's awesome
[16:58:45] <+NeonFlame> guess you got your 300 euros back lol
[16:58:46] <+Jarudin> satisfying the server bill for 6 months!
[16:58:53] <+Jarudin> yea :)
[16:58:57] <+Saras> Damn. A shame I missed it. Could've been  fun watch.
[16:59:01] <+Jarudin> and things were pretty good from that point on
[16:59:09] <+NeonFlame> Why aren't you an admin anymore then?
[16:59:10] <+Jarudin> I did some more work on the site
[16:59:14] <+Jarudin> I wrote the adoption center
[16:59:18] <+Jarudin> the offer system
[16:59:44] <+Jarudin> by then, we'd get these races as to who would get their release up first
[16:59:49] <+NeonFlame> lol
[16:59:55] <+Jarudin> since we only allowed one version this meant the first realease was the crappiest
[16:59:59] <+Jarudin> we didn't want that
[17:00:08] <+Jarudin> we had to buffer offers, give time to select the best one
[17:00:14] <+NeonFlame> makes sense.
[17:00:18] <+Jarudin> I took the idea from another site I'm with
[17:00:24] <+Jarudin> works great :)
[17:00:31] <+Jarudin> back then we also had issues with under seeding
[17:00:36] <+Saras> It is a bit slow nowadays.
[17:00:37] <+Jarudin> some torrents had no seeders
[17:00:42] <+Jarudin> so I introduced the bonus system
[17:01:00] <+Jarudin> where you get free upload credits for just idling on underseeding torrents
[17:01:10] <+Dhruv> other staff is useless you did so much
[17:01:10] <+NeonFlame> that's cool and makes sense. lol
[17:01:12] <+Jarudin> as you know, we can now boast that we have NO unseeded torrents
[17:01:18] <+NeonFlame> Yeah that's really cool
[17:01:28] <+Jarudin> there is no other tracker in the world that does that
[17:01:30] <+Jarudin> to my knowledge
[17:01:41] <+NeonFlame> I'll have to read the rest when i get back tho, have a thing to go to. :P
[17:01:45] <+NeonFlame> bye guys.
[17:01:52] <+Dhruv> bye neon
[17:01:59] <+Saras> Night.
[17:02:01] <+Dhruv> jaru continue
[17:02:07] <+Jarudin> yea
[17:02:18] <+Jarudin> hmm
[17:02:21] <+Dhruv> i'll sleep whe you end your story
[17:02:34] <+Jarudin> Malus wanted to start spending time on other things
[17:02:48] <+Jarudin> cause running a torrent site takes a lot of time, and hijacking one even more so
[17:02:58] <+Jarudin> so then I was in charge of everything
[17:03:15] <+Jarudin> this also meant I had to carry the server bills and basically all the risks that come with it
[17:03:39] <+Jarudin> including the possibility of police raids since torrent downloading was not always as favorable as it is now
[17:03:53] <+Jarudin> I picked a host I hoped I cuold trust
[17:03:58] <+Jarudin> back then mininova was hosted there
[17:04:04] <+Jarudin> another infamous torrent tracker
[17:04:10] <+Jarudin> so I figured i was safe
[17:04:20] <+Jarudin> but then shit happened and they moved to Canada :<
[17:05:05] <+Jarudin> so I ran the site for a while
[17:05:32] <+Jarudin> do you guys know about the script kiddie who attacked the site?
[17:05:39] <+Kuyou> No.
[17:05:42] <+Jarudin> ok
[17:05:54] <+kurandoinu> Yes. I remember
[17:05:56] <+Jarudin> basically, since all the site code was custom, and because I'm a pretty good programmer
[17:06:03] <+Jarudin> there weren't really any usable security holes
[17:06:14] <+Jarudin> so one day, out of the blue
[17:06:17] <+Jarudin> server goes down
[17:06:22] <+Jarudin> unreachable
[17:06:43] <+Jarudin> turns out, we;re getting dDOSed
[17:06:52] <+Jarudin> for no apparent reason .. his demand was that I step down
[17:07:11] <+Jarudin> but I knew that was just a preface, if he could make demands like that he could do to the site whatever he wanted
[17:07:16] <+Jarudin> so we started to battle him
[17:07:20] <+Jarudin> at first we thought he was bluffing
[17:07:29] <+Jarudin> you know, block his IPs and stop the DOS
[17:07:42] <+Jarudin> but I think he had friends who did know what they were doing
[17:07:55] <+Jarudin> there was no way to stop the DOS
[17:08:04] <+Jarudin> and we were quickly approaching our bandwidth limit
[17:08:17] <+Jarudin> since our upload was just complete full
[17:08:24] <+Jarudin> 25MB/s constantly hitting the server
[17:08:28] <+Jarudin> (byte)
[17:08:51] <+Jarudin> I tried to figure out who this guy was
[17:08:54] <+Jarudin> and I think I got pretty close
[17:09:03] <+Jarudin> I called in the help of the community to try and figure it out
[17:09:19] <+Jarudin> I don't know what really happened but I think we either found him, or another victim
[17:09:23] <+kurandoinu> I remember everyone banding together to try and find him
[17:09:27] <+Jarudin> and somehow he did get in trouble
[17:09:50] <+Jarudin> but the DOS wasn't stopping
[17:10:00] <+Jarudin> houkouonchi offered to help out
[17:10:05] <+Jarudin> he's a sysadmin in the US somewher
[17:10:16] <+Jarudin> we basically routed all traffic through his servers
[17:10:30] <+Jarudin> one point the kiddie shows up, making his threats as usual
[17:10:40] <+Jarudin> he starts his DOS (houkouonchi could see this)
[17:10:43] <+Jarudin> nothing happened
[17:10:48] <+Jarudin> site was up and running
[17:10:53] <+Jarudin> like nothing was wrong
[17:11:06] <+Jarudin> houkouonchi was getting his by 100MB/s of traffic, no problem!
[17:11:09] <+Jarudin> hit*
[17:11:22] <+Jarudin> we didn't hear from the hacker again
[17:11:25] <+Ika_Musume_fan> Jarudin: are you telling the histroy of BoxTorrents/BBT ?
[17:11:29] <+Jarudin> yea
[17:11:40] <+Ika_Musume_fan> blog it while you're at it
[17:11:44] <+Saras> I take it he's about finished.
[17:11:53] <+Ika_Musume_fan> oh no he isn't
[17:11:58] <+Ika_Musume_fan> halfway
[17:11:58] <+Jarudin> but this whole ordeal took a lot out of me
[17:12:07] <+Jarudin> there isn't really much you can do about DOS
[17:12:12] <+Jarudin> beside throw a shit ton of money at it
[17:12:19] <+Jarudin> I was about ready to pack up and close shop
[17:12:23] <+kurandoinu> Didn't it start because of a blog post?
[17:12:24] <+Ika_Musume_fan> I remember that attack
[17:12:29] <+Jarudin> but the community were all very eager to help bakabt
[17:12:34] <+Jarudin> that was when I realised
[17:12:46] <+Jarudin> bakabt is bigger than me, it doesn't belong to anyone, it belongs to everyone
[17:12:47] <+Ika_Musume_fan> well
[17:13:11] <+Ika_Musume_fan> anyone attacking BBT is attacking all of our community and associated sites
[17:13:16] <+Jarudin> so I continued on for a while
[17:13:23] <+Jarudin> but then I got into trouble with Paypal
[17:13:31] <+Jarudin> they did an audit and didn't like what they found
[17:13:39] <+Jarudin> they closed down my account with no chance for appeal
[17:13:44] <+Jarudin> and it sits like that still
[17:13:53] <+Jarudin> that was when I was pretty much done with it all
[17:13:56] <+Dhruv> what did they find?
[17:14:01] <+Jarudin> I wanted to focus on other things, like my carreer
[17:14:08] <+Jarudin> Dhruv, violation of ToS
[17:14:10] <+Jarudin> which is true
[17:14:15] <+Ika_Musume_fan> wasn't that two years ago ?
[17:14:20] <+Jarudin> could be
[17:14:34] <+Jarudin> so I handed over the site to Duki and Arveene
[17:14:41] <+Jarudin> I gave Arveene access to the DNS
[17:14:45] <+Jarudin> and Duki access to the server
[17:14:52] <+Jarudin> so neither one could try and steal it
[17:15:08] <+Jarudin> Duki was great, he set up donations on another host
[17:15:13] <+Jarudin> Moneybookers I think
[17:15:22] <+Jarudin> but it's not been going too well ever since
[17:15:25] <+Dhruv> so can you regain control if you want to?
[17:15:31] <+Jarudin> we keep getting rejected by payment providers
[17:15:41] <+Ika_Musume_fan> did you tell em about what box did ?
[17:15:47] <+Jarudin> Dhruv, I still have full access to everything, Duki knows this
[17:15:56] <+Jarudin> Ika_Musume_fan, read up
[17:15:56] <+Dhruv> yeah he told us havoc
[17:16:04] <+Ika_Musume_fan> I was watching TV
[17:16:07] <+Ika_Musume_fan> but cool
[17:16:17] <+Kuyou> When did Dubkats come into this?
[17:16:18] <+Jarudin> I completely dissappeared for a while
[17:16:24] <+Jarudin> didn't use the site, didn't use IRC
[17:16:40] <+Jarudin> but you know, I had made quite a few friends here
[17:16:46] <+Jarudin> so eventually I came back
[17:17:00] <+Jarudin> dubkats was with us from the beginning
[17:17:05] <+Kuyou> ah
[17:17:40] <+Jarudin> I'm not so good with names
[17:17:41] <+Saras> Sounds... eventfull.
[17:17:46] <+Jarudin> I keep forgetting who everyone is
[17:17:55] <+Jarudin> saras, yea, I think it's enough for a lifetime
[17:18:18] <+Dhruv> so thats the end?
[17:18:25] <+Jarudin> pretty much
[17:18:37] Kuyou applauds
[17:18:38] <+Jarudin> Duki took over the role and big cheese
[17:18:40] <+Dhruv> ohhh....so who actually owns this site?
[17:18:48] <+Jarudin> not much is happening on the development side of things though
[17:19:03] <+Dhruv> site is good enough i'd say
[17:19:03] <+Jarudin> Dhruv, Duki pays the bills and his name is on the server registration
[17:19:29] <+Dhruv> but you can take back the controls anytime you want?
[17:19:51] <+Saras> So. He's basically the scapegoat?
[17:20:04] <+Kuyou> That's a nice way to put it, lol.
[17:20:16] <+Dhruv> and where did malus and they other guy go to?
[17:20:24] <+Jarudin> Kotu?
[17:20:31] <+Kuyou> yeah
[17:20:34] <+Jarudin> he dissappeared, probable went on to do other stuff
[17:20:36] <+Jarudin> so did Malus
[17:20:36] <+Dhruv> yeah who wrote that letter
[17:20:41] <+Kuyou> ah
[17:20:43] <+Jarudin> Nazo
[17:20:46] <+Jarudin> I'm not sure
[17:20:54] <+Jarudin> I think he eventually dissappeared too
[17:21:06] <+Dhruv> rebellion leaders separated
[17:21:15] <+Jarudin> more like, mission accomplished
[17:21:21] <+Ika_Musume_fan> yeah
[17:21:22] <+Jarudin> time to let the next generation step up
[17:21:25] <+Ika_Musume_fan> job finishe
[17:21:27] <+Ika_Musume_fan> dd
[17:21:30] <+Jarudin> me and Malus never wanted power
[17:21:39] <+Jarudin> we just found ourselves in a position to make a difference
[17:21:43] <+Dhruv> and what about box?
[17:21:46] <+Ika_Musume_fan> they took over
[17:21:49] <+Ika_Musume_fan> set up the system
[17:21:50] <+Jarudin> Box was pretty cool about it
[17:21:52] <+Ika_Musume_fan> and gave it back
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[17:21:59] <+Jarudin> his girlfriend wasn't though
[17:22:06] <+Ika_Musume_fan> heheh
[17:22:10] <+Ika_Musume_fan> I guess
[17:22:17] <+Dhruv> what about his gf?
[17:22:18] <+Saras_> bugger. wifi doesn't like my room.
[17:22:28] <+Jarudin> but she got shouted at by a lot of people
[17:22:36] <+Jarudin> so that went away pretty quickly
[17:22:36] <+Dhruv> this entire story is saved :D
[17:22:56] <+Jarudin> I still help around sometimes
[17:22:59] <+Jarudin> but covertly