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05:34	gio7sm	hello?
05:34		--- Fluttastic is back
05:34	Fluttastic	hi, gio.
05:34	gio7sm	oh, hi
05:34	gio7sm	i thought you were sleeping
05:35	gio7sm	whats up Ry?
05:36	Fluttastic	i should be sleeping by now
05:36	Fluttastic	but i'm making bad choices.
05:37	gio7sm	bad choices?
05:37	Fluttastic	staying up too late.
05:42	gio7sm	ok
05:43	gio7sm	im planning for the site's big update
05:43	gio7sm	new items, mega evo, legendaries, events and many more~
05:43	Fluttastic	oh, good luck.
05:43	Fluttastic	are you not going to come around IL as much because of viridis?
05:44	gio7sm	no!
05:44	gio7sm	i'll always be here at IL
05:44	gio7sm	its my first RP site
05:44	gio7sm	i love it here!
05:44	gio7sm
05:46	Fluttastic	ah, that's good to hear.
05:48	gio7sm	im surprised,
05:48	gio7sm	Dana joined the site
05:49	Fluttastic	yeah, i heard!
05:49	Fluttastic	i heard you guys had a little, uh... tense/hard to understand chat in your IRC, too
05:51	gio7sm	tense?
05:51	gio7sm	umm... like wut?
05:51	gio7sm	 O.o
05:51	Fluttastic	he was trying to get you to understand his gender
05:52	gio7sm	oh!
05:52	gio7sm	that
05:52	gio7sm	yeah, i understand now..
05:52	gio7sm	he was born a *girl*
05:53	Fluttastic	yeah... and still has the anatomy of a girl because medical transition is very expensive and a rigorous process in america
05:53	Fluttastic	and his mom doesn't approve
05:54	gio7sm	ok
05:54	gio7sm	i dont think its allowed in the Philippines... maybe?
05:54	gio7sm	because we have many *Gays* here... :|
05:54	gio7sm	i have like... 3 gay classmates
05:54	Fluttastic	haha
05:55	Fluttastic	well, at least you know better, right, dude? you have friends like us so you know that there's nothing wrong with being trans
05:55	gio7sm	yeah, i think i understand gender stuff now...
05:55	Fluttastic	if there are enough people like us, who understand that there's no issue, then eventually the world will change and people will accept us more
05:55	gio7sm	its already accepted here
05:55	gio7sm	in the Philippines
05:55	gio7sm	like I said...
05:56	gio7sm	many gays
05:56	Fluttastic	mm
05:56	Fluttastic	well, being gay doesn't necessarily mean you're trans
05:56	Fluttastic	they're not necessarily related
05:56	Fluttastic	but i appreciate the effort.
05:56	gio7sm	yeah... but, i think you get the picture
05:56	gio7sm	i have a gay cousin
05:56	gio7sm	that is dubbed as "School Crush" by many girls
05:57	Fluttastic	yes. i hope your society is forward-thinking!
05:57	gio7sm	but sadly, his gay...
05:57	gio7sm	or maybe its not negative at all
05:57	gio7sm	if he wasn't he would have millions of GFs now!
05:57	gio7sm	ah, yes, i hope so too!
05:58	gio7sm	Philippines is dubbed as "Asia's most Corrupt Country!"
05:58	Fluttastic	oh, uh... huh.
05:58	gio7sm	yeah..
05:59	gio7sm	i tried to install a chatbox in the forum, and it became LAGGY!
05:59	gio7sm	my bad~
05:59	Fluttastic	and here i thought that honor would belong to north korea.
05:59	gio7sm	no
05:59	gio7sm	lol
05:59	gio7sm	i found it while on history class
06:00	gio7sm	we had to record statistical stuff like GNP gains and such~
06:00	Fluttastic	ah, huh. how do they measure corruption?
06:01	Fluttastic	money in politics, maybe?
06:01	gio7sm	maybe?
06:01	gio7sm	i really dont know~
06:01	Fluttastic	hmm
06:03	gio7sm	hmmm...
06:03	Fluttastic	being trans is a tough boat to be in, y'know
06:04	gio7sm	why?
06:04	gio7sm	i never thought of it being that way...
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06:05	Fluttastic	well, trans people experience a phenomenon called dysphoria, where they have unpleasant feelings because their physical body doesn't match up to their gender
06:05	gio7sm	dysphoria?
06:05	gio7sm	doesn't Keda...
06:05	gio7sm	WAIT!
06:05	gio7sm	ok
06:06	gio7sm	never mind that Keda one...
06:06	Fluttastic	hmm
06:07	Fluttastic	also, a lot of people will not hire you or treat you properly in society because you're trans.
06:07	gio7sm	ok, have you experienced it before?
06:07	gio7sm	and do you have a job?
06:07	Fluttastic	i don't have a job right now.
06:08	gio7sm	ok, past jobs?
06:08	Fluttastic	i haven't experienced it yet, but the people around me don't know. i'm still keeping it a secret from everyone except for you guys on the internet.
06:08	gio7sm	oh! ok
06:08	gio7sm	but they know your dating a fellow girl?
06:08	Fluttastic	eventually i will come out and start trying to medically transition, meaning taking hormones to change my appearance and hopefully give me a nice pair of breasts and all.  and eventually, surgery
06:08	gio7sm	wait...
06:08	gio7sm	oh!
06:09	gio7sm	silly me
06:09	Fluttastic	dana and i are both trans.
06:09	gio7sm	your a guy!
06:09	gio7sm	im confused
06:09	Fluttastic	well, um... i'm not a guy
06:09	Fluttastic	here, gio
06:09	Fluttastic	i was born with a penis, dana was born with a vagina.
06:09	gio7sm	ok
06:09	gio7sm	i get it now..
06:09	Fluttastic	i was raised as a boy, dana was raised as a girl
06:09	gio7sm	ok
06:09	Fluttastic	but we both want to transition -- out of respect, everyone around us on the internet, the people who know
06:09	gio7sm	i thought you were both girls!
06:09	gio7sm	ok
06:10	Fluttastic	they use girl pronouns and the like to refer to me, and male pronouns to refer to dana
06:10	gio7sm	ok
06:10	Fluttastic	and i'd appreciate it if you didn't call me a "guy" just because i was born with that set of traits, y'know? here's a tip:
06:10	Fluttastic	when talking to a trans person, /always/ refer to them by their destination, not by their starting point
06:11	gio7sm	ok,
06:11	Fluttastic	if you really need to clear things up and reference the past, you can ask, for instance
06:11	Fluttastic	"You're ftm?" which means "female to male" which refers to the direction of transition
06:11	gio7sm	oh!
06:11	gio7sm	ok
06:11	Fluttastic	likewise, you can say "You're mtf?" which would apply to someone like me -- born with a penis, want to become a woman
06:12	gio7sm	i was always curious about you... i wanna ask Dana
06:12	gio7sm	ok
06:12	gio7sm	but... i was scared
06:12	gio7sm	:3
06:12	Fluttastic	it's okay!
06:12	Fluttastic	dana can get a little testy when he thinks that someone isn't understanding
06:12	Fluttastic	but i'm pretty patient at explaining things
06:12	Fluttastic	as for the job thing...
06:12	gio7sm	ok, thats good
06:12	gio7sm	:3
06:13	Fluttastic	things are even harder for dana because he's deaf, so he can't get a job as... for instance, a cashier or something
06:13	Fluttastic	something where you'd need to hear a person
06:13	Fluttastic	that leaves lots of jobs open, but it also closes lots of doors.
06:13	gio7sm	deaf? oh right!
06:13	gio7sm	yeah...
06:13	gio7sm	full-on deaf? or just semi deaf
06:15	Fluttastic	dana is full-on deaf in one of his ears and only almost entirely deaf in the other. in the ear that he's fully deaf in, he has a device called a cochlear implant that lets him 'hear,' but it's far from perfect and it takes years to learn how to understand speech with such a device
06:15	Fluttastic	Show YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpKKYBkJ9Hw)
06:16	gio7sm	oh, ok
06:17	gio7sm	ok
06:17	Fluttastic	you can see how it'd be tough to understand, yeah?
06:17	gio7sm	yeah, but how did you ask him out?
06:18	gio7sm	how did HE ask YOU out
06:18	Fluttastic	i asked him out, haha
06:18	Fluttastic	we met on the site we were on before IL, PP.
06:18	gio7sm	lol
06:18	gio7sm	ok
06:18	gio7sm	PokemonParadise?
06:18	Fluttastic	yep, that's the one
06:19	Fluttastic	we haven't met in person yet, but we live four hours away, so we hope that sometime soon we can... maybe plan a little road trip in the summer to see each other.
06:19	gio7sm	did he start of as a member?
06:19	Fluttastic	i'm also learning "american sign language," which is... as you might guess
06:19	gio7sm	oh thats great :3
06:19	Fluttastic	a language using hand signs and gestures to communicate!
06:19	gio7sm	thats was ASL stand for
06:19	gio7sm	yeah
06:20	Fluttastic	yeah, most people use "ASL" to refer to "age, sex, location," but to us it's american sign language.
06:20	gio7sm	like on Omegle?
06:20	Fluttastic	yeah, haha
06:20	gio7sm	lol!
06:20	gio7sm	NASL?
06:20	Fluttastic	the... north american soccer league?
06:21	gio7sm	Name? Age? Sex? Location?
06:21	gio7sm	LOL
06:21	Fluttastic	oh, oh
06:21	Fluttastic	i've never heard the name part
06:21	gio7sm	its real y'know *wink*
06:21	Fluttastic	things are tough, and dana thinks that because he has so much stuff going against him, that he'll never be able to transition, because it's so expensive and arduous. however, i believe in us and i'm hopeful for the future. i want to be able to help him transition -- i'm getting a degree in psychology, which i hope will be an accepting field of work where i
06:22	Fluttastic	can make enough to help us both get the medical help we need.
06:22	gio7sm	i never met any internet friends
06:22	gio7sm	oh! planning for the future? thats great!
06:23	gio7sm	maybe you'll be wife and husband
06:23	Fluttastic	hehe, we can hope
06:23	gio7sm	*crosses fingers* hope the baby's name will be Gio
06:23	Fluttastic	you'll be cheering for us, right? for our lives to go great and for us to transition well
06:23	gio7sm	hell yeah i am!
06:24	Fluttastic	oh, well, we don't have the technology to let trans ladies have babies yet. :<
06:24	gio7sm	(my first time saying that~ i feel alive!)
06:24	Fluttastic	haha, i'm happy for you
06:24	gio7sm	maybe for the *bed* part, you can switch to your normal genders?
06:24	gio7sm	:]
06:25	Fluttastic	well, i don't think he's very interested in having a baby before we transition.
06:25	Fluttastic	maybe one day we'll adopt, dude.
06:25	Fluttastic	if i do finish transition, then i'll have the genitals of a lady but i won't be able to become pregnant or have a child, haha
06:25	gio7sm	ok
06:25	gio7sm	Dana can have the child
06:25	gio7sm	and no adoption :3
06:26	Fluttastic	well, we're crossing fingers that one day he'll have a dick instead of, y'know
06:26	Fluttastic	all the parts you need to birth a child. :u
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06:27	gio7sm	hi, im back
06:27	Fluttastic	hi!
06:27	Fluttastic	here's what i said just before you left
06:27	gio7sm	oh.
06:27	Fluttastic	 06:26	Fluttastic	well, we're crossing fingers that one day he'll have a dick instead of, y'know 06:26	Fluttastic	all the parts you need to birth a child. :u
06:27	gio7sm	:] ok
06:28	gio7sm	im thinking dirty right now...
06:28	gio7sm	have you ever tried "M-ing?"
06:28	Fluttastic	hm?
06:29	gio7sm	like...
06:29	gio7sm	umm..
06:29	gio7sm	ma--u--b--t--j
06:29	gio7sm	*i
06:30	gio7sm	i dont know if im allowed to say that
06:30	Fluttastic	gio, i think that's an inappropriate topic for us to talk about, y'know.
06:30	gio7sm	ok, just forget about it
06:30	gio7sm	but.. have you tried it?
06:30	Fluttastic	gio, seriously
06:31	Fluttastic	i said it's an inappropriate topic for a reason
06:31	gio7sm	OK O.o
06:31	gio7sm	im sorry
06:31	gio7sm	*bows repetitively*
06:33	gio7sm	http://s4.zetaboards.com/In_Licentia/topic/10102308/1/
06:33	gio7sm	check it out
06:34	Fluttastic	ah... i'll delete it and talk to him about it
06:34	gio7sm	ok~ i was the one who was referring too
06:34	gio7sm	:|
06:35	Fluttastic	oh, i was reading up on your native language -- the one that isn't filipino or english
06:35	gio7sm	ok :3
06:36	gio7sm	what did you learn?
06:37	Fluttastic	it's interesting that it shares some parts with spanish! i know a decent amount of spanish, myself
06:38	gio7sm	oh! ok
06:38	gio7sm	Lamesa means table
06:39	Fluttastic	mm, and i noticed verbs in particular had a, uh...
06:39	Fluttastic	tendency to bleed over
06:40	gio7sm	lol
06:40	gio7sm	yeah...
06:40	gio7sm	i can teach you if you'd like
06:41	Fluttastic	hm, maybe sometime! i have a big interest in languages, so perhaps i'll ask for lessons in the future
06:41	Fluttastic	i should really go to bed for now, y'know. i've been up for too long
06:41	Fluttastic	thank you for listening and thank you for your respect, though, gio.
06:41	gio7sm	nah, its ok
06:41	gio7sm	bye
06:41	gio7sm	good night~
06:41	gio7sm	umm, how does that expression goes?
06:42	gio7sm	Dont let the bed bugs murder you?
06:42	Fluttastic	hahaha
06:42	gio7sm	lol
06:42	Fluttastic	my bed is broken, anyway! everyone knows that bedbugs can't next in a broken bed, it's their one true weakness
06:43	Fluttastic	oh, and
06:43	Fluttastic	... huh
06:43	Fluttastic	i forgot what i was about to say. oh well
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