AR is stupid

I'm sad
3h 3 hours ago
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:<
 eXeDes
 Wha- why :c
3h 3 hours ago
because I had the bright idea to download mcosu
and try playing songs with AR override
lo and behold, I play everything a thousand times better with super high AR
 Blaine
 like 10.3
3h 3 hours ago
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 Blaine
 :\ I'm just bad
3h 3 hours ago
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 eXeDes
 LOL that's. Solid idea you got there xD Idk if that means you're bad tho, just... weird :^)
3h 3 hours ago
 eXeDes
 😀
3h 3 hours ago
 Blaine
 I don't understand why there's not a forced ar mod
3h 3 hours ago
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it doesn't make any sense, it could just be like the forced 4k/5k/6k/7k mods for mania with a score reduction no matter if you made it lower or higher
 Blaine
 I'd gladly sacrifice 10% score or some shit for that
3h 3 hours ago
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 eXeDes
 Because there's a difference.
3h 3 hours ago
 Blaine
 ya, AR change doesn't affect inputs required lol, so it's even less of a change than the key mods
3h 3 hours ago
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 eXeDes
 Forced ar for standard effects difficulty of the song whether or not it physically changes. There are multiple songs that would become easier or more difficult by lowering ar and vice versa. Even if it comes down to preference, the difficulty is still affected. Forcing ar would change the whole pp point system, it wouldn't work 😂 I also feel like this is a deja vu 🤔 and I feel like I type a lot 🤔 I also think I like this emote 🤔
3h 3 hours ago
 Blaine
 at this point I'd be fine if it just zeroed out score and pp so I could enjoy the game tbh
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 Blaine
 and I will 100% always draw the parallel to guitar hero's hyperspeed, just changing the way it's presented (besides extremes of like AR0 or 11) wouldn't change difficulty at all
3h 3 hours ago
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 eXeDes
 But that's a preference to you and maybe a few others.. hyperspeed Definitely made the song more difficult for me and a lot of other people
3h 3 hours ago
 Blaine
 yeah exactly, it's a preference
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 eXeDes
 A preference that's considered to increase the difficulty for majority of users.. is a difficulty increase.. which means larger pp gain o.o
2h 2 hours ago
 Blaine
 it shouldn't affect pp at all
2h 2 hours ago
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 eXeDes
 It's in an increase in difficulty why shouldn't it?
2h 2 hours ago
 Blaine
 like reading in and of itself shouldn't be a difficulty metric period, the inputs to the game should be the measure of skill rather than what you're looking at
2h 2 hours ago
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 eXeDes
 That's like saying HD or HR shouldn't affect pp because someone is capable of saying HD is easier or HR is easier
2h 2 hours ago
HD shouldn't either
 Blaine
 but HR should because of the CS/OD/HP difference
2h 2 hours ago
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 eXeDes
 HD and AR both physically make the game more difficult that doesn't make sense why it shouldn't. There's a reason they've never changed that
2h 2 hours ago
 Blaine
 then if it makes the game "more difficult," and you made it give less score and less pp, what's the issue
2h 2 hours ago
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 eXeDes
 It'll diminish the value of 90% of ar10 + maps and allow for easier pp gains if people could select which ar per song. I can name multiple 400 pp maps I can beat if it were less ar.
1h 1 hour ago
 Blaine
 if you have the physical ability to aim and tap, then you should get the pp for it
1h 1 hour ago
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 Blaine
 yeah it'll inflate pp gains for people, but it would inflate them for everyone
1h 1 hour ago
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 eXeDes
 If it inflates pp gains for everyone then it's literally pointless. The whole point of osu standard isn't just the ability to aim and tap, it's the ability to aim, tap and react, if you have lower ar all the time because it's "non-beneficial" and doesn't effect pp gain, then why would you ever seek to improve reaction time when you can just stay at ar 8.5 forever. The whole point of different ar's is not only different styles of songs like streaming, jumping, technical, etc, but to allow people to fluctuate reaction times both slow and fast. If you can only ar 10 and can't do 8-10 or 10+ then your eyes haven't adjusted to reading multiple speeds. Which is why there are different ars, to fluctuate the reaction times of both slow and fast, small and larg, jumps and stream, sliders and w/e, etc. Making ar adjustable would defeat a huge competitive purpose of the whole game. And i guarantee if I ask that to multiple 20k-top 100 players they would majority say it shouldn't be changed
1h 1 hour ago
by that logic literally everything I did on GH is invalidated and I was never good at the game
 Blaine
 feels bard, man
1h 1 hour ago
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 eXeDes
 By that logic, if you could physically play hyperspeed then that means you ARE good, by the logic that saying speed doesn't matter or saying that hyperspeed on or off doesn't matter then that says you're not good, basically meaning if someone FCd a song with HYperspeed or w/o it makes no difference. You definitely were good at GH if you could do hyperspeed or click at the speed you could
59m 58 minutes ago
I turned on hyperspeed because I physically couldn't read without it, same as AR differences in League
er, in osu
league stream on other screen lul
 Blaine
 I wouldn't have FC'd 10% of the songs I did in GH if hs had never been put in
56m 55 minutes ago
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LOL, yea but gh, and osu are different because osu has another aspect that gh has and that's the aiming aspect which makes reacting more "different" because the brain has to focus on an extra task. Just because you can only read hs doesn't mean you were bad, it just means you had no "variety" in a sense, to your reaction. Which is exactly why AR should affect pp gains. To show they really do physically apply that difficulty.
I'm really curious what Reddit would say ngl... .. you should screen shot this whole convo LOL and put it on Reddit osu lmao
 eXeDes
 I just wanna hear the different opinions of the community tbh