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  1. Kirb R1
  2.  
  3. Kokushibu vs Sabretooth
  4.  
  5. * Koku swings fast and has good AOE piercing, allowing him to easily decapitate Sabre
  6.  
  7. * Sabre's speed relies on scaling and he is ineffective in using his speed
  8.  
  9. * When facing another regenerator, he cuts their torso and then their head, meeting the win condition for Sabre
  10.  
  11. Morel vs Shishio
  12.  
  13. * Morel avoids direct conflict and aims for an alternative method of victory
  14.  
  15. * Morel's smoke gives him a huge advantage through situational awareness, clones, vision obscuring, etc.
  16.  
  17. * Shishio's heat issue will be accidentally achieved from Morel's caution
  18.  
  19. * Morel is a good brick
  20.  
  21. Saito vs Captain America
  22.  
  23. * Gatotsu is fast and strong
  24.  
  25. * Cap wouldn't expect such a fast stab and his bullet timing feat was done when he was prepared
  26.  
  27. * Cap prefers the kite shield which fares worse against Saito
  28.  
  29. ***
  30.  
  31. Corv R1
  32.  
  33. Kokushibu vs Sabretooth
  34.  
  35. * Sabre strong and fast
  36.  
  37. * Koku's opening attacks can all be parried or block which is all something Sabre is capable of thanks to his adamantium claws
  38.  
  39. * Sabre has good endurance and can reattatch limbs
  40.  
  41. * Kirb admits a punch from NW would decapitate Koku, Sabre hits harder than NW
  42.  
  43. * It's in character for Sabre to decapitate
  44.  
  45. * Sabre knows the best way to deal with regenerators is by decapitation
  46.  
  47. * Koku blocking leads to his sword getting destroyed and him getting overwhelmed
  48.  
  49. Morel vs Shishio
  50.  
  51. * Shishio hits hard, is fast, and durable
  52.  
  53. * Morel commonly opens up with melee
  54.  
  55. * Smoke is useless as Morel will engage in melee and his clones are weak
  56.  
  57. * In melee, Shishio dominates with his superior stats and piercing
  58.  
  59. Saito vs Captain America
  60.  
  61. * Cap strong, fast, and durable
  62.  
  63. * Hydra Cap used the kite shield over the round shield as part of his impersonation of the real Cap
  64.  
  65. * Both shields would one shot Saito and he lacks the dodging feats to avoid it
  66.  
  67. * Shield durable
  68.  
  69. * The kite shield can still block Gatotsu and having two shields increases his defense
  70.  
  71. ***
  72.  
  73. Kirb R2
  74.  
  75. Kokushibu vs Sabretooth
  76.  
  77. * Scaling to Iron Fist doesn't work as the speed feats happened much after IF's fight with Sabre and he was amped in those speed feats
  78.  
  79. * Getting dismembered would still negatively impact Sabre
  80.  
  81. * Koku will most likely open up with decapitation while Sabre has only done so against robots
  82.  
  83. * AOEs kill
  84.  
  85. * The scans showing Koku's sword be broken is fake
  86.  
  87. * Koku's sword can regen fast
  88.  
  89. * Sabre's claws are too small to safely block Koku
  90.  
  91. * Drinking Koku's blood would fuck Sabre up
  92.  
  93. Morel vs Shishio
  94.  
  95. * Morel opening with melee is fake and has mitigating context
  96.  
  97. * Scaling to Saito doesn't work
  98.  
  99. * Shishio has been tagged by slower hits
  100.  
  101. * Scaling to injured opponents is shaky
  102.  
  103. * Shishio dies after fighting too long
  104.  
  105. Saito vs Captain America
  106.  
  107. * Reiterates the Cap was prepared argument and that Gatotsu is fast
  108.  
  109. * Cap has never used two shields at once
  110.  
  111. * While Hydra Cap is willing to kill, he doesn't open up with a lethal blow
  112.  
  113. * Saito does dodge
  114.  
  115. *Hydra Cap has speed antifeats
  116.  
  117. ***
  118.  
  119. Corv R2
  120.  
  121. Kokushibu vs Sabretooth
  122.  
  123. * Kirb's argument against the Iron Fist scaling is irrelevant as Corv is scaling to a chi-less IF
  124.  
  125. * Kirb has to prove that IF's chi amp applies to the physicals of a chi-less IF
  126.  
  127. * Being able to successfully dodge every attack from Nightcrawler would be OOT
  128.  
  129. * Koku can't effectively fight Sabre the way Nightcrawler does
  130.  
  131. * The fall object feat is meaningless as it's a movement speed antifeat which won't matter in this fight
  132.  
  133. * Blocking being irrelevant against Koku is specifically only an issue for Kimetsu characters since they can't safely tank, block, or heal
  134.  
  135. * While Sabre's range is smaller than a sword, it's still indestructible and he can use his whole arm to block
  136.  
  137. * Koku can't cut through Sabre as his sword would break against the adamantium bones and Sabre would then just one shot
  138.  
  139. * Sabre would just accidentally achieve the decapitation win con with a regular punch to the face
  140.  
  141. * Sabre would actually benefit from Koku's blood
  142.  
  143. * Koku's main speed feat is vague and bad
  144.  
  145. * Koku's other bullet timing feat is too far to be good
  146.  
  147. Morel vs Shishio
  148.  
  149. * Disqualifying the Cheetu scan because his goal wasn't to kill Cheetu disqualifies many of Morel's fights, so the only ones left are ones where he opens up with melee
  150.  
  151. * Morel will open up with melee
  152.  
  153. * Zero-Shiki is fast and so is the Gatotsu it's being scaled against
  154.  
  155. * Morel is slow
  156.  
  157. * Morel probably wouldn't use Deep Purple
  158.  
  159. Saito vs Captain America
  160.  
  161. * It is logical that Cap would use two shields
  162.  
  163. * The preparation argument applies to Saito as well
  164.  
  165. * Saito has struggled against a lesser shield user before and Cap has been shown to do what that shield user did and is also better
  166.  
  167. * Saito challenged the shield head on thinking there's nothing his sword can't pierce, so if he does this against Cap, his sword gets broken
  168.  
  169. * Saito gets hit by something with no given speed, so he gets destroyed by Cap
  170.  
  171. * It's in character for Cap to throw his shield directly at someone
  172.  
  173. * Saito's bullet timing scaling is bad
  174.  
  175. * The antifeats against Cap have mitigating context
  176.  
  177. ***
  178.  
  179. Judgments
  180.  
  181. Kokushibu vs Sabretooth
  182.  
  183. Sabretooth wins. Corvette successfully convinced how Sabretooth will meet the decapitation win condition against Kokushibu. Koku's opener of trying to dismember his opponents fails against Sabre as his sword would break against the adamantium bones and leave Koku open to being one shot in the head by Sabre. Kirb's arguments against Sabretooth's speed were unconvincing as while the large gap in years between Sabre's fight against Iron Fist and Iron Fist's bullet timing is a good point, by itself it's not strong enough and Kirb should've backed it up with antifeats or other examples on why the Iron Fist scaling doesn't work. I also agreed with Corv on how vague Koku's main speed feat is and how his other bullet timing feat is just plain bad due to its distance.
  184.  
  185. Morel vs Shishio
  186.  
  187. Morel wins. I believe Kirb effectively debunked the claim that Morel would immediately open up with melee and as Corv's entire argument hinges on them engaging with melee, it's clear to me that Morel wins. Shishio would struggle to find Morel through the smoke and eventually just burns himself out.
  188.  
  189. Saito vs Captain America
  190.  
  191. Captain America wins. Corv's shield evidence was an incredibly good counter towards Saito's Gatotsu and it shows how cocky Saito is about the effectiveness of his piercing, which will only lead to his sword breaking itself against Cap's shield. Kirb's arguments against the effectiveness of the kite shield fell flat to me as like Corv argues, Captain America doesn't need to defend his whole body against Saito, only the spot Saito's trying to stab. Another argument of Kirb's that didn't work was the preparedness argument used to downplay Captain America's reflexes as that's a two way road and can be easily used on Saito. While I agree Cap wins through his multiple win conditions whether by his strength, lasers, or shield toss, I was unconvinced by Corv's claims that Captain America goes his shield fast. He only gives examples of the shield toss being strong but gives no scans to prove their speed. I feel like Kirb should've focused his argument on this instead of claiming Captain America wouldn't open up with a shield toss, which effectively shut down by Corv.
  192.  
  193. Corv wins 2-1
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