<Smigwell_> what is a sell wall?
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<Exaeta> which is going to get worse the longer they wait to resume trading
<tooth29> preventing a flash crash sounds plausible
<Exaeta> BCH is going to flash crash
<tooth29> Many exchanges around the world have circuit breakers
<Exaeta> there's no way they will be able to stop it short of disabling market sells/buys and only allowing limit trades
<wo0d> LOL
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 smiba Smigwell_ smilpent smk Smooth_ Smuckerz
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<tooth29> kraken is taking too long to verify my account
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<Exaeta> Smigwell_: basically there is 8k BCH available to buy at $0.005 above the "market value" right now.
<tooth29> otherwise maybe have got bch before coinbase opened it
<Exaeta> 8.1k now
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<Exaeta> 8.4...
<Smigwell_> tooth29: so a sell wall is a circuit break to avoid a market crash. thanks.
<Exaeta> 8.7
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<Exaeta> 8.9
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<Exaeta> there's no way the sellers are going to get a decent price when trading resumes, unless you get really lucky
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<jwminta> what do i need to do once I download the bitcoin core torrent?
<osboxes> Hi
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<jwminta> Hi osboxes
<markasoftware> just ordered this http://bitcoin-empire.info/#/
<piqure> ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
<hasha> marketwatch.com just pushed a story mentioning coinbase and bcash
<Mazhive> hello do you guys have problems with a long time span of a confirmed transaction .. i have done a transaction yesterday an still unconfirmed
<markasoftware> will report on it once it arrives
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<DR4M4> 9.6
<Exaeta> might be able to pick up BCH at below the real value if the flash crash happens as I expect...
<dgenr8> markasoftware: best thing in that game -- "smear campaign"
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<markerman777> So how decentralised/independent is the currency when one market (coinbase) can control or influence the market so much
<jwminta> can someone walk me through what to do after I download the bitcoin core torrent?
<netpilot> didn't people use idiocoins in idiocracy?
<markasoftware> jwminta: why do you need a torrent?
<markasoftware> what are you trying to do
<markasoftware> typically there's no torrenting involved with downloading Bitcoin Core
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<jwminta> Hi Markasoftware
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<Smigwell_> 223,00 unconfirmed transactions and climbing. what is going on out there?
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<jwminta> I was given bitcoin to my address in Bitcoin Core back in January. It's still loading the transactions and my wallet hasn't recognized it yet.
<cluelessperson> Hi all
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<Smigwell_> correction...  223,000 or 223K
<markasoftware> dgenr8: you have the game?
<jwminta> I downloaded the torrent to speed up the transactions.
<dgenr8> markasoftware: friend does
<markasoftware> dgenr8: well, i hope i enjoy it as much as you do!
<cluelessperson> Smigwell_: the problem is that people are spamming the mempool and not using SegWit yet
<dgenr8> lulz ... smear campaign .... hehe
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<coooljames> can segwit addresses send to normal addresses?
<MaxSan> yes
<jwminta> @markasoftware can you help me figure out how to move my address from bitcoin core to coinbase? Is that possible?
<dgenr8> jwminta: that's called "sending bitcoin"
<Exaeta> Smigwell_: on bitcoin or bitcoin cash?
<jwminta> bitcoin
<cluelessperson> yawn
<imsohungry> Is this an attack on BCH?
<jwminta> but it's not recognizing the bitcoin in my wallet yet because the transactions haven't uploaded.
<cluelessperson> no
<markasoftware> jwminta: just one address?
<Exaeta> I bet many are duplicates from the same funds
<markasoftware> how did tehy give it to you exactly
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<jwminta> it was sent and verified via blockchain
<markasoftware> oh ok just a normal transaction
<Smigwell_> @cluelessperson: is the spamming a cheap method of a DOS attack on the BTC network?
<jwminta> yes
<dgenr8> cluelessperson
<tooth29> I think one other factor is that support on coinbase kind of "legitimizes" bch out of the vast sea of alt coins
<markasoftware> jwminta: do you know what address it came to?
<jwminta> yes
<cluelessperson> until everyone dumps it hard
<Exaeta> look at this 12k coins sell wall o_O
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<markasoftware> jwminta: ok, open up the debug console from help->debug
<imsohungry> tooth29, I agree with youy
<jwminta> ok
<tooth29> Sure the sharp uptick will be followed by correction. But the real question is there does bch land after that?
<tooth29> where does*
<imsohungry> the masses will see it on coinbase and think they should get in on it
<markasoftware> then type `dumpprivkey "1crhjrckho9e8h98uph"` or whatever your address is
<markasoftware> DONT POST THE RESULT HERE though
<markasoftware> you need to keep that secret
<tooth29> I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up higher
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<jwminta> ok then what
<markasoftware> but you see a string returned of random-looking characters right?
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<jwminta> yes
<markasoftware> there are lots of light wallets you can import that to
<jwminta> you are amazing.
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<Grimz> well this market is fun
<jwminta> markasoftware, can you tell me one light wallet?
<markasoftware> jwminta: electrum
<Exaeta> tooth29: I'd expect it to flash crash to like $0 before recovering to like $3k again where it was before maybe...?
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<Exaeta> Depends on if gdax can somehow prevent the flash crash
<markasoftware> when creating a wallet, select the option for "import bitcoin addresses or private keys" then paste your private key on the following step
<tooth29> Who knows Exaeta
<Exaeta> I don't think they can
<jwminta> ok! I'll do this right now.
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<tooth29> flash crashes are never permanent
<tooth29> its just volatility
<jwminta> you have been so helpful it's amazing
<markasoftware> jwminta: if for some reason the private key isn't compatible with electrum, then there are other wallets you can try
<dgenr8> cluelessperson: justanotheruser
<markasoftware> im not sure how universal the private key format is
<cluelessperson> cluelessperson: what?
<Grimz> is it just a flash crash though
<dgenr8> cluelessperson: sorry
<Exaeta> Grimz: it might be a flash crash that's hard to recover from
<cluelessperson> markasoftware: electrum allows you to watch an address, or sweep from the private key
<cluelessperson> maybe watch the private key
<Grimz> I'm thinking with how popular Bitcoin has become and how clear it is that the blockchain has issues sustaining so many people
<markasoftware> cluelessperson: yeah, that's sort of what i said
<Grimz> Bitcoin Cash might take over
<markasoftware> cluelessperson: not ust sweeping
<Exaeta> I don't think the current price of like 8.5k is sustainable, personally
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<cluelessperson> Grimz: No it won't, it's a scam.
<markasoftware> it can fully import it and then you can spend from it as you wish, like a normal wallet
<Grimz> what makes you say that?
<cluelessperson> Grimz: because the company the produced it is run by scammers.
<Grimz> wait I thought they had an actual Bitcoin dev
<Grimz> on board
<dgenr8> BCH is not a scam. It is BTC with 8MB blocks and no segwit.
<markasoftware> lots of teh supporters are questionable, but it's not a scam necessarily
<Grimz> afaik BCH is faster and can handle more traffic
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<Grimz> something BTC is clearly having an issue with
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<cluelessperson> Grimz: What do you think makes Bitcoin secure?
<Exaeta> they cancelled all my orders :S
<cluelessperson> Grimz: decentralization, mainly
<Compy_> Nice little market correction with ETH/BTC after the BCH fiasco. Can't wait to see what GDAX does.
<Exaeta> lol gdax
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<Grimz> Is BCH centralized?
<justanotheruser> dgenr8: yes?
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<masoncodes> i prefer BTC
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<dgenr8> justanotheruser: sorry
<Syde> did gdax just wipe the bch order book? lol
<Grimz> yup they did
<Grimz> Im pretty sure
<AndBobsYourUncle> Syde, just the buy side?
<Syde> i saw both sides wipe out
<phantomcircuit> Grimz, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj7g6OyxpfYAhVK3mMKHRLaDhEQyCkILDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dv1PBptSDIh8&usg=AOvVaw2kE7XWhxea-Fkhjyl5PQK7
<piqure> ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
<phantomcircuit> ffs
<Exaeta> GDAX: Orders are now in: Cancel only state
<AndBobsYourUncle> Huh, I still see the sell side
<Compy_> I would be surprised if they didn't. Its completely messed up.
<phantomcircuit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8
<Grimz> It's insane how basically the entire cryptocurrency market exploded once BTC hit $18.8k
<piqure> ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
<Grimz> and now most are tanking with it
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<Grimz> because their only value was "hey this is a cryptocurrency too"
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<cluelessperson> Grimz: dgenr8    BCH is run by incompetent scammers that intend to use Bitcoin's name to confuse newcomers.  They claim to "fire core" while relying on core for code/bug fixes, then stealing code attribution. BCH is championed by scammers, and was produced by scammers.
<Compy_> Meh, oh well. At least I had a nice surprise waiting in my old coinbase wallet.
<Grimz> Yeah but could they actually run off with anyone's money?
<cluelessperson> Grimz: dgenr8 Also, raising the block size has consequences, like node centralization and miner centralization.
<Gib> Yeah me 2 compy
<dgenr8> cluelessperson: no, they increased the blocksize because BTC was too dumb to do it themselves
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<MaxSan> lol
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<Exaeta> wait what
<Compy_> Well that problem solved itself.
<Gib> Hey noob question, will i make transaction fees if I setup a full node ???
<Exaeta> I don't think banning pro-BCH people is a good idea
<netpilot> all your base belong us...
<sharkman> whats the bitcoin cash wallet site, can someone please confirm that it is https://www.bitcoincash.org so i dont use a phising wallet
<piqure> ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
<Exaeta> cluelessperson: you could end up on the wrong end of US securities laws and such if you do that
<cluelessperson> Exaeta: I banned him for trolling/misinformation.
<Grimz> i mean BCH may be run by scammers, but if it works and is accepted by the general community as a currency is it really a scam?
<cluelessperson> !topic
<gribble> v0.15.1 | DON'T POST ADDRESSES | ILLEGAL STUFF BAD | https://bitcoin.org | FORK TALK TO #bitcoin-forks | Rules: https://goo.gl/SJMlSL | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Faq | Prices/Etc #bitcoin-pricetalk | Trade #bitcoin-otc | NO begging/altcoin | Webwallets steal! | URLs are often MALWARE | THERE IS NO MARKET CAP(ITALIZATION)
<oogle> Grimz: yes
<Grimz> is there something in it that would allow the owners to run off w/ money or something similar
<Exaeta> cluelessperson: calling someone a scammer for using the name bitcoin is very very debatable.
<sharkman> oh shit it is electroncash right, electroncash.org?
<cluelessperson> Hey guys, this is #bitcoin let's keep this on topic
<oogle> Grimz: look at most institutions. they are scam
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<Grimz> oh my bad didn't mean to derail this to bch
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<Exaeta> cluelessperson: first, the ones with trademark rights in bitcoin, satoshi, are gone?
<Gib> Hi
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<Grimz> I'm confused why Coinbase decided to convert everyone's BTC to BCH then
<maid> 335 335 335 335
<cluelessperson> Grimz: They didn't.
<oogle> Grimz: you need to learn
<Grimz> mine got just automatically converted
<Compy_> No
<Grimz> logged in and my BTC was gone
<phantomcircuit> Grimz, no it didn't
<phantomcircuit> ok im done
<cluelessperson> Grimz: No.  If you had BTC at the time of the fork, you wind up with EQUAL parts, BTC and BCH
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<Gib> Can someone help me?
<cluelessperson> Gib: what with?
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<cluelessperson> phantomcircuit: I'm going to go nuts. let me. ;)
<Exaeta> cluelessperson: I don't know, just, calling them a scammer might be considered libel? I'm not a fan of BCH, I don't like it. But maybe banning people who disagree is going too far?
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<Gib> Can I make transaction fees by running a full btc node
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<cluelessperson> Gib: no
<cluelessperson> Exaeta: Incorrect.  I state FACTUAL information.
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<Exaeta> cluelessperson: did they actually strip the copyright header in any of the code?
<cluelessperson> try to anyway
<cluelessperson> Exaeta: yes
<sweetiepie> https://twitter.com/dgenr818/status/943308838005907456
<piqure> ^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
<Exaeta> cluelessperson: if so, they did steal the code. that's copyright infringement.
<cluelessperson> Exaeta: They also specifically claimed to "fire core" while core developers had to go over and fix BCH's code for the safety of all bitcoin users.
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<Exaeta> cluelessperson: but the protocol itself can't be copyrighted, so are you sure the bitcoin client wasn't just redone?
<sweetiepie> hurry up. no ban yet?
<Exaeta> like it could use the same protocol but a different implementation?
<cluelessperson> Exaeta: bitcoin[dot]com is owned by scammers as well. with legal histories in prison.
<Gib> Is mining the new bth at the same difficulty as btc ?
<Emcy_> sweetiepie fuck off you dullard lol
<masoncodes> wait exaeta why r u shilling an altcoin
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<cluelessperson> sweetiepie: Lol, I banned him for trolling and stating misinformation.
<Emcy_> you fucking weirdos beg the mods for validation by getting banned
<masoncodes> got em
<Exaeta> masoncodes: if you read my comments you can clearly see I don't like BCH and think it's trash.
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<Emcy_> you fucking weird sadomasochist assholes
<Exaeta> masoncodes: I just think that banning pro-BCH people is an overreaction.
<Emcy_> now tweet that out prickface
<cluelessperson> Exaeta: No, BCH is a different protocol, a different network, running on different software, made by different people
<cluelessperson> Emcy_: that's not helping.
<Compy_> I miss the days where a base level of competence was required to get on IRC :-/
<phantomcircuit> Exaeta, i dont give a crap if you think bcash is a good idea
<phantomcircuit> but lying about shit
<phantomcircuit> it not ok
<phantomcircuit> is*
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<Exaeta> cluelessperson: what part of bitcoin was "stolen" by bitcoin cash, other than the name?
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<netpilot> the ledger?
<AndBobsYourUncle> Exaeta, wait, wut?
<Exaeta> netpilot: the ledger isn't copyrightable though
<metxn> the ledger was copied, not stolen
<phantomcircuit> what the fuck are you people even talking about
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<hasha> lets not convince ppl bcash is a scam...
<v4ng0gh> ;;tlast
<gribble> 16999.99
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<hasha> lets just let ppl make their own epic foolish mistakes out of ignorance
<cerebral_monkey_> Anyone know how GDAX is justifying their present halt of BCH trading? The trading rules specify no circuit breakers.
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<sweetiepie> cerebral_monkey_: too many buy orders for BCH
<phantomcircuit> hasha, except it is a scam, "bcash is bitcoin" is literally a lie
<phantomcircuit> it's fraud as far as im concerned
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<hasha> its not even a lie.. its just a fabrication
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<markasoftware> why are we banning people who ask legit questions now?
<Exaeta> cluelessperson: I'm still confused as to what part of bitcoin was stolen by bitcoin cash
<cluelessperson> As a reminder, this is a #bitcoin channel.  Shilling/advertising for BCH is off topic
<phantomcircuit> hasha, that's an aweful big word for lie
<sweetiepie> phantomcircuit: if it doesn't run on an rpi, it's not bitcoin
<Exaeta> can you link it to me?
<hasha> lol
<Compy_> cerebral_monkey_: Lets pretend that the rules apply. As far as I know, they could try to justify it as a glitch.
<markasoftware> oh just kicking, i guess that's ok
<Compy_> hah
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<cluelessperson> sweetiepie is banned for trolling.
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<netpilot> Ask yourself, who will benefit from this new fork?
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<Emcy_> markasoftware youre a big blocker, you agreed with 2x etc as i remember. Youve been here ages and youre still here, do you know why
<newbie--> netpilot: what new fork? -> #bitcoin-forks for fork talk
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<cluelessperson> netpilot: Miners, the companies that produced it, not users.
<hasha> when we have allowed the ego of a virtual "jesus" to spew without checks and balances over other the past 6 years... we are gonna have some free comedy come our way, no additional cost
<markasoftware> Emcy_: idk, they just seem trigger happy today
<markasoftware> ive seen a lot more trolling than this in the past without anything being done
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<cluelessperson> mar/37
<Exaeta> BCH -> #bitcoin-forks
<Exaeta> how does that sound
<hasha> its a new dawn, its a new day
<Emcy_> youre still here becuase youve only been sincere
<Exaeta> or are you gonna ban people in #bitcoin-forks too?
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<if_money> hey there, I have a technical question regarding bitcoin
<newbie--> I love Satoshi, our savior from FIAT and fractional reserve monopolies
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<simernes> this is so fun you guys
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<as2333> praise satochi cryptopunk
<Era_Scarecrow> hmmm glancing at the btc site it has a 'best transaction price'... i assume that's for the miners, not for accessing the pools?
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<pij76443> I notice you ban a user, then talk shit about them to everyone else.  That's kind of a puss move, no?
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<if_money> does anybody know eher the widget class="QLabel" is referenced in the coin code?
<if_money> I cant find it
<newbie--> Vires In Numeris
<phantomcircuit> if_money, huh
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<if_money> I have tried searching but cannot find it
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<if_money> looking for the widgetclass refernce location for the bitcoin wallet
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<buZz> sounds like something QT-ish
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<if_money> Im trying to expand on the architecture but can't seem to find where QClass is stored u
<if_money> you are right
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<if_money> it is QT ish
<newbie--> pij76443: it strengthen the in-group to have a out group.
<newbie--> strengthens
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<buZz> maybe asking in #bitcoin-dev would be more fruitful
<pij76443> +100
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<if_money> I can't get into bitcoin-dev
<if_money> do you need an invite?
<buZz> pij76443: where did you see that behaviour?
<buZz> i'm scrolling back but i dont see it
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<buZz> if_money: you need to have nickserv registration
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<phantomcircuit> pij76443, so do you work for worldpac
<phantomcircuit> or did you commit a crime to use them as a proxy to troll?
<phantomcircuit> im pretty sure i know the answer
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<dagronmaster> if_money, the code under src/qt/* is full of references to QLabel
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<Exaeta> cluelessperson: from what I gathered from #bitcoin-dev, bitcoin cash did not steal any code from bitcoin, they forked it but followed the license conditions.
<Exaeta> So your statement seems to have been false.
<phantomcircuit> Exaeta, "stealing code attribution" is an accurate statement
<dagronmaster> if_money: src/qt/coincontroldialog.cpp for instance
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<phantomcircuit> they have claimed to have developers before
<phantomcircuit> which is a joke
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<Mad7Scientist> What's the status of SegWit2x?
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<if_money> hey dargonmaster - thanks for the reply
<Exaeta> phantomcircuit: the bitcoin devs said bitcoin cash messed up some copyright headers but fixed it afterwards
<phantomcircuit> Mad7Scientist, dead the same as every other idiotic fork
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<melik_> Mad7Scientist, s2x is dead
<melik_> it never happened
<Mad7Scientist> I thought China was really pushing it?
<if_money> I am looking at  <widget class="QLabel" name="coinimage"> under /src/qt/forms/overviewpage.ui
<melik_> they couldn't get it to actually fork
<phantomcircuit> Exaeta, to be exceedingly technically correct removing the copyright notice is a breach of the license
<Mad7Scientist> So they tried the hard fork and then that failed?
<if_money> does the above line of code refer to anything other than the image ?
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<phantomcircuit> is anybody gonna sue them for it? not unless you retards keep coming in here and trolling
<melik_> Mad7Scientist, yes; their code halted 2 blocks before the forking block
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<Exaeta> phantomcircuit: calling them scammers over that is basically a form of libel.
<Exaeta> especially if they fixed it when it was pointed out
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<Mad7Scientist> melik_, was the regular network stalled for a while as the Chinese mining power left for a little while trying to get segwit2x going?
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<buZz> Mad7Scientist: no
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<dagronmaster> if_money:  That line does not appear in the version I have.   I'm not a QT hacker, but that line eventually results in an object of type QLabel whose name is coinimage.   I can't say any more without seeing the code
<Emcy_> youd trust a coin run by people who plagiarise code
<imsohungry> what do you guys recommend to make a paper wallet? The one I have been trying doesnt print right to standard A4 paper
<pij76443> phantomcircuit: this from the guy who suggested changing the license to exclude Gavin Andresen.  Also, can it be bitcoin if it doesn't run on a raspberry pi?
<buZz> you can run bitcoin core on a raspberry pi just fine
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<buZz> why couldnt you?
<phantomcircuit> Exaeta, k they can sue me
<phantomcircuit> enjoy
<pij76443> buZz: that's not my question
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<Mad7Scientist> So what happened the Chinese miners saw that nobody else was using their mining client so they ended up giving it up?
<Exaeta> o_O
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<buZz> i dont get it, wtf is with the raspberry pi argument
<if_money> thanks again dargonmaster - do you think in this context "coinimage" is referenced elseware or only to label this image in this piece of code?
<dagronmaster> if_money:  what OS are you running?   If it's a unix-like OS, try something like 'find src -type f|xargs grep coinimage' and see what pops out
<if_money> I am trying to compile something to be used in its place (this is the big image you see in most bitcoin/altcoin core wallets) to the left
<simernes> I saw someone today saying you can't run bitcoin core on a raspberry pi anymore, and I think it was implied it was because the mempool is so big now the raspberry pi doesn't have enough memory for it. Is that a correct understanding?
<if_money> buntu, will try now thanks
<buZz> simernes: eh doesnt matter
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<phantomcircuit> Mad7Scientist, it's been the same story for years, the same group of idiots say they're going to fork, they do it and dont get even close to a majority consensus (much less a plurality), they declare success and then move onto the next fork
<buZz> simernes: the memory requirement changes based on memory available
<Emcy_> buZz its a weak ass reductio ad absurdum of bitcoins imperative to remain as decentralised as possible
<phantomcircuit> the segwit2x shit just failed before they even bothered to release an actual client
<Mad7Scientist> simernes, it takes several gigabytes to keep the database updating
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<Emcy_> in fact it would be nice if bitcoin would still run on an early raspi
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<dagronmaster> simernes: the fix for that is to set maxmempool properly
<if_money> hanks again dagronmaster, you have helped me to solve halff my problem really appreciate it
<buZz> Emcy_: 256MB is really pushing it :P
<if_money> +1
<buZz> i consider 1GB a fair minimum
<phantomcircuit> buZz, at somepoint like a year ago i tested how long it takes to sync on an rpi3 with full validation, it was 3 weeks, i suspect it's more like 3 months now
<Mad7Scientist> A Pentium 4 with 2.5GB of ram was taking a minute to get through a block
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<Emcy_> advanced by room temperature iq fucksticks who have been conditioned against guarding their own liberty by tangible means.
<Mad7Scientist> but that was bitcoin-1.12
<buZz> OTOH i am working towards implementing a linux setup running a bitcoin SPV wallet at just 32MB ram
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<Emcy_> basically the gun grabbers of bitcoin, if oyu want to analogise it
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<phantomcircuit> Emcy_, yeah that's a decent analogy
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<Emcy_> they make the same fuckin arguments too. Only police need guns/only miners need nodes.
<Emcy_> we can just trust
<cluelessperson> The best thing everyone can do is press all exchanges and everyone else to ues SegWit
<cluelessperson> maybe help development of Bitcoin Core Wallet's SegWit as well