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 Brandon1000 What was admin planning on giving away the domain name in return for the site being kept alive? 12:58
 randomcloud Everyone was afraid Coinchat would be shut down so we all came together and started planning a project to host it on another server. 13:04
 peapodamus aparently someone else had other ideas. 13:05
 CaptainAwesome Yeah, but what else did he said after he came on today? 13:06
 randomcloud He said he's doing OK 13:06
 randomcloud He said he doesn't want to run Coinchat himself but isn't sure who to turn it over to. 13:06
 randomcloud So now it's turning into a politics game of power-plays and stupid bullshit I really don't want to be a part of. I just want a damn chat site to hang out with everybody at 13:07
 Joseph Did anybody volunteer to run it? 13:07
 randomcloud I don't know. 13:07
 CaptainAwesome mmmm 13:07
 randomcloud I'm really concerned that someone's trying to grab power. I feel disgusted people are even fighting over it. 13:07
 randomcloud It's like seeing a bunch of 30 year old siblings who hate each other fighting over the will when their mother dies 13:08
 randomcloud ;_________; 13:08
 Joseph What kind of fighting was there? 13:08
 randomcloud californiablue was arguing that it's a business model and so should have one boss. 13:10
 CaptainAwesome randomcloud: it should be someone who doesnt see a money well in CC for theirself 13:10
 randomcloud poncho was saying that people were tearing apart what admin built 24 hours after he was gone when nothing of the sort was happening 13:10
 randomcloud CaptainAwesome: I think someone's trying to convince TF to turn over the keys to him, probably for that purpose. This makes me feel sick. 13:10
 californiablue what I was saying is that it belongs to admin until if and when he decides to give it up. 13:11
 CaptainAwesome Well its surely a business model but not to get rich at all, it has to be structured as a business..hence i mentioned a roadmap but after all it should end out as a fun community with no easy money fountain for the owner 13:11
 californiablue and i didn't like the idea of having it "run like a country" 13:11
 poncho well that is what i think is happening 13:11
 randomcloud No one was disputing that the admin still has it, we were told by him that he was gonna turn over the source code. 13:11
 poncho none of you could WAIT to start putting your changes to this place 13:11
 poncho and fixing this 'god awful front end' 13:12
 californiablue nothing would get done then if you have like 12 people 13:12
 poncho nice way to shit on what admin worked so hard on 13:12
 poncho i mean, everyone is talking about how so many changes need to be made to make the place so much better 13:12
 CaptainAwesome poncho: i agree the frontend is the least someone should worry in first place. 13:12
 randomcloud poncho: That's how people felt and no one is tearing apart what the admin did by voicing changes they wanted made. 13:13
 poncho it has barely been a day, give admin some time to decide what he wants to do rather than forcing his hand 13:13
 randomcloud No one's doing that except you guys trying to power grab. 13:13
 randomcloud And that's really sick and low. 13:13
 californiablue randomcloud: please give us an example of how we are trying to power grab. 13:13
 randomcloud Everybody came together in the name of protecting the place they love. The only one shitting all over what the admin did is you 13:13
 CaptainAwesome randomcloud: yes but after all it should first run, the money problem should be fixed (if) tips are involved and where it comes from and much later a layout should be changed if necessary 13:13
 poncho not everyone, about 3 people. the community has not come back together at all 13:14
 poncho you are the one trying to power grab randomcloud 13:14
 poncho you delete things and tell others what needs to happen. 13:14
 poncho CB made an excellent point, and you took it upon yourself to delete it. 13:14
 poncho you then threatened to 'perma ban' anyone who decided to bring this point up again 13:16
 randomcloud My laptop battery's dying 13:17
 randomcloud poncho: Are you fucking serious? 13:17
 californiablue what I said in my deleted post is that I was uncomfortable with all these plans going forward when we really don't know for sure what admin's plans are 13:17
 randomcloud When everybody was arguing over this same point earlier and I and everyone else was fed up with the constant infighting that you two are engaging in? 13:18
 californiablue this only just happened, give the guy to some time to think about what he wants. 13:18
 randomcloud You really are going to use sophistry and manipulation tactics at a time like this? 13:18
 californiablue who are we fighting with? 13:18
 californiablue lol 13:18
 californiablue you didn't answer my question .... please give us an example of how we are trying to power grab 13:19
 poncho again, there is the I, making yourself in charge 13:19
 poncho there was no arguement. I have seen the log. CB made a good point, you didn't like it, so you deleted it, and threatened to ban her 13:19
 poncho anyway, admin came on, saw what was being worked on, and told everyone it seemed like a mess 13:20
 CaptainAwesome Oh that happened as admin came on O_O 13:20
 californiablue poncho, actually his word was "disaster" but sorry to fight with you and use my powers of sophistry! 13:20
 poncho lol cb :p i was just trying to be nice and paraphrase 13:21
 californiablue oh and you were trying to paraphrase... there you go again with your manipulation tactics, you sorceress! 13:21
 californiablue lol 13:22
 randomcloud californiablue: Well I'm sorry all you can do at a time like this is try to break up an effort that everyone else came together to create, and I'm sorry that in Coinchat's darkest hour your only response is selfishness and snide bullshit. 13:22
 californiablue well it's certainly a relief that randomcloud is concerned people were powergrabbing and she agrees admin is still in charge. 13:22
 randomcloud I have been putting my all into helping ensure everyone has a place to go. We all have. Even peapodamus has. 13:23
 californiablue randomcloud: by disagreeing? 13:23
 californiablue and what selfishness? what am I getting out of it? 13:23
 randomcloud californiablue: Are we power-grabbing by ensuring we have a place to go? 13:23
 randomcloud That everyone voluntarily participated in, that you didn't like because you think the place is a business and should have one boss when ultimately what new place we build is up to us? 13:23
 californiablue I don't know what that means. The only place I need to go is bed. 13:23
 poncho up to us = up to you, since if you don't like it you delete it or ban it 13:24
 randomcloud The thing you need to do is grow up and stop thinking of yourself. 13:24
 poncho anyway many people have reservations about this and who will run the new site. at the end of the day it will be admins decision on who runs the next place and how, right now it is still his 13:24
 californiablue no, I said you should you think of admin 13:24
 randomcloud poncho: No, poncho, you know what I and no one else wanted to see in there? You guys fighting over who gets to be in control as if that's a point of contention. 13:24
 californiablue that's the opposite of selfishness 13:24
 randomcloud And your petty bullshit. No one wants to see it or hear it. 13:24
 californiablue I'm still waiting for you to provide an example of how i was trying to power grab anything. 13:25
 californiablue randomcloud: it seems you're the only one who doesn't like to see, hear or accept certain things. 13:25
 randomcloud You want to know what I don't want to see, hear, or accept? What everyone else here doesn't want to -- this stupid power-grabbing charade. 13:26
 poncho CB had nothing to do with being in control, it was about doing the right thing by admin and not jumping at the chance to change everything about the place the second it came up. 13:26
 randomcloud Of going behind everyone's back and telling the admin that I'm supposedly grabbing power when it was everyone else who came together because I bought a server. 13:26
 californiablue admin spent thousands of hours on this place, and just had the worst disaster of his life, and I said he should either be still running it or allowed to sell it 13:26
 randomcloud You're fucking twisted. 13:26
 poncho give him some time to make up his mind and not force his hand on what to do. 13:27
 randomcloud californiablue: No one ever contested that. We were told by him he was going to give us the source code. 13:27
 randomcloud poncho: That's what you two need to do. 13:27
 poncho and then 5 minutes later, all you could talk about was the changes you wanted to make to the 'god awful front end' 13:27
 californiablue you bought a server? didn't you say you paid $5 a month that you couldn't even afford 13:27
 randomcloud californiablue: I paid for a $5 a month plan for a new home for a new Coinchat. 13:27
 californiablue to host a server? and then when someone asked you for your paypal to help, you said you didn't want to give it out because of security reasons. hah! 13:28
 randomcloud While you've done nothing but sit on your ass and complain because I, the person you haven't liked since day one, bought a freaking server and you try to twist it to make it look like I'm trying to grab power when I don't have much control over this operation at all. 13:28
 
 randomcloud And now you're looking to say anything, absolutely anything, because you think this is about undermining me but let me tell you this is NOT. 13:28
 randomcloud And THIS is the kind of manipulative bullshit I'm talking about. You're fucking sick. 13:28
 californiablue undermining you? explain how that could even be done 13:29
 randomcloud Well then you clearly do think this is about me and apparent jealousy. Well this is NOT about me and it's NOT about you. 13:29
 randomcloud It's about all of US, the coinchatters who work to protect the place that YOU'RE sitting here on YOUR ass undermining with your petty immature behavior. 13:30
 californiablue why would I ever be jealous of you 13:30
 californiablue my petty immature behavior? you mean, suggest we give admin some time to still decide if he wants to run coinchat? 13:30
 randomcloud You tell me, that's apparently what you're doing. And you need to get over yourself and start putting Coinchat above your petty bullshit 13:30
 randomcloud Just because you don't like me and never did does NOT give you the right to hurt everybody else. 13:30
 randomcloud This is NOT about you. 13:31
 californiablue I actually did like you until the day you PMd me and accused me of trying to conspire against you and get all the coinpr0ners back. 13:31
 randomcloud I'm done arguing. Maybe if you cared about Coinchat so much you'd do something to help rebuild it. 13:31
 californiablue where's my apology for that by the way? didn't you send the same exact PM to Boelens too> 13:32
 And I don't hold anything against you, you're welcome to help. You as well poncho. This is everyone's effort and I'm not about to let you two ruin it. 13:32
 californiablue we had no contact with anyone at coinpr0n. 13:32
 randomcloud STOP IT. This is NOT about coinpr0n and not about your personal feelings. 13:32
 randomcloud Stop making it about you! 13:32
 californiablue oh and s1d2a3h4 got the same paranoid PM.... 13:32
 californiablue it's about your paranoid, bizarre behavior. 13:32
 randomcloud The old Coinchat's going away 13:32
 randomcloud No, this is about Coinchat, and you're so blind in your hate that you can't see that. 13:32
 californiablue what hate? 13:33
 poncho sigh, this is just ridiculous. you know people can have a different opinion than you right? 13:33
 randomcloud The old Coinchat and all of its petty personal bullshit is going away on December 1st and you need to do what you'd tell me to do: you need to let it go. 13:33
 californiablue why don't you back up your accusations with proof 13:33
 poncho CC worked so well because admin was a stable head of it. so that is what is really needed 13:33
 californiablue high five poncho 13:33
 randomcloud And all we're trying to do is rebuild it and all you can do is sit here and complain about me, and bring your personal bullshit into it. 13:34
 randomcloud All you care about is yourself. 13:34
 californiablue it's your personal bullshit. You said I hated you and I said I had no problem with you until you sent me and other psycho PMs 13:34
 californiablue and never apologized 13:34
 randomcloud No, californiablue, you're doing this because of YOU. 13:34
 californiablue for what benefit 13:35
 
 randomcloud Because YOU don't like me, because YOU'RE angry. 13:35
 californiablue I don't care about you whatsoever 13:35
 californiablue I do care about coinchat and admin though 13:35
 randomcloud If you did, you'd be helping us all instead of carrying on about me and your dislike of me. 13:35
 randomcloud This is a time when we must set personal differences aside, and you're not doing that! 13:36
 randomcloud Is arguing about me good for Coinchat? Did you think about everybody else who are busting their asses putting time and effort into reviving the place? Did you think about what you're doing to them by putting your bullshit above that? 13:37
 californiablue I offered my two cents and it got deleted 13:37
 randomcloud No californiablue, you offered petty infighting bullshit and that's all you have to offer now. 13:37
 californiablue I said, hey, how about we let admin decide what to do with coinchat, it's a great business model 13:37
 randomcloud You really need to get your fucking priorities straight. 13:37
 californiablue maybe he shoudl sell it for 10 BTC 13:37
 randomcloud Act like the adult you claim you are. 13:37
 californiablue help him pay back inputs people etc 13:38
 californiablue maybe even more 13:38
 californiablue if the price is dropping maybe he can get even 20 or 30 BTC for it 13:38
 californiablue or if he decides he wants to keep it after all, then that's HIS decision 13:38
 californiablue so your manifesto that "Dec 1 all is changing!" may not materialize.... 13:39
 randomcloud No, californiablue, all you've had to offer is strawman attacks and bullshit. 13:39
 californiablue please name one example. 13:39
 californiablue that was exactly my discussion in the TP blog. 13:40
 randomcloud The plan was based off of the admin's words from last night that Coinchat will only be here until then because that's when the server is expiring which he was gonna let die. 13:40
 
 randomcloud californiablue: You've done nothing but strawman and ad-hom the past twenty minutes. You did nothing but twist and manipulate when you lied to the admin and told him of a power grab that did not exist. 13:40
 californiablue and I pointed out that admin is going through literally the WORST time of his life and should not make rash decisions. Maybe give him some time to think things over. 13:40
 randomcloud You've done nothing but complain about me instead of lifting a finger to help. 13:40
 californiablue what lie to admin? 13:41
 peapodamus =_= 13:41
 californiablue everything here is carefully logged by someone, he sees it. 13:41
 randomcloud We all have! And in that time you are doing nothing but trying to hurt everyone else by claiming I'm taking power when all everybody's been doing is preparing to move the site elsewhere per his words. 13:41
 randomcloud You're a class-A fuckup and I do not have time for it. Whatever hair you've had up your ass about me is now officially plucked. Those times are over. It no longer matters. 13:42
 randomcloud What matters is reviving Coinchat and not your bullshit or your shenanigans. 13:42
 californiablue so, you're reviving coinchat, no matter what admin thinks? 13:43
 randomcloud When you're willing to actually do something to help let us know, until then don't destroy what's left of the place. Don't destroy what's left of us in your bid to hurt me. This is not about me or you. Try to fucking see that. 13:43
 californiablue you've declared it yours? 13:43
 californiablue I already said I don't care about you 13:43
 randomcloud californiablue: I don't know what we're going to do thanks to you. 13:43
 poncho everyone wants the best for coinchat, just everyone has different ideas on what the best thing is 13:43
 californiablue what are you even talking about? 13:43
 randomcloud All everybody was trying to do is make sure that they had a place to go so that they wouldn't lose each other forever when Coinchat goes down on december 1st, and you're doing nothing but tearing apart that effort. 13:44
 californiablue what was so bad about my idea that what might be best is to give admin some time to think of it over? 13:44
 californiablue yeah I don't think it's going to go down Dec 1 13:44
 randomcloud No one was denying him time to do anything. You're just hiding behind that argument because what you really don't like is the fact that I bought the server. 13:44
 californiablue I think we'll see CoinChat 3.0 13:44
 randomcloud That's ALL this is about to you. You just want to hurt someone else and you can't put it past and worry about a bigger picture or everyone else whom you're hurting. 13:45
 randomcloud All I was was the one who stepped up to do it and if anyone else did so it'd be equally valid. That's literally ALL I did, and you've caused nothing but trouble because you hate it. 13:45
 californiablue well I'm sorry you see it that way, that's unfortunate 13:46
 randomcloud I'm sorry that you're so defended and fucked up that you'd seriously tear apart Coinchat in your petty bid for revenge. 13:46
 peapodamus Just for the record, admin stated in a PM to me it IS going down Dec 1st 13:46
 randomcloud Be the bigger person that you say you are. Leave the Coinchatters alone. 13:47
 randomcloud Or actually help. 13:47
 californiablue how did I try to tear it apart? by showing respect and support to admin who created the site? 13:47
 randomcloud californiablue: You're trying to tear it apart by wasting everyone's time attacking me because I bought a fucking server, because you think that means I hold power when it does not. This project belongs to all of us. 13:48
 The members of the PR, front-end and fundraising groups in the titanpad are the ones doing most of the work! 13:48
 californiablue when did I attack you? 13:48
 randomcloud What the hell is wrong with you that you think that me buying a server is a power grab? Seriously? 13:48
 randomcloud I don't even know node.js! Peapodamus had to walk me through setting up the server! 13:49
 californiablue lol 13:49
 randomcloud I have done NOTHING but put up with everyone's shit while I and everyone else have been trying to make sure we still have a fucking Coinchat to go to and this is what you do. 13:49
 californiablue what am I doing 13:49
 californiablue is it because I suggested admin sell it? 13:50
 randomcloud What you're going to do now is either help or leave us alone. But I'm not going to let you fuck over the other coinchatters because of your petty dislike for me. 13:50
 californiablue I think that's a pretty good idea actually 13:50
 californiablue nobody cares about you randomcloud, least of all me 13:50
 randomcloud Right now the admin can do whatever he wants. No one ever disputed that. But now, thanks to you, I don't know if we'll have a hang out spot in December because of your manipulations. 13:50
 randomcloud Does that make you proud? To tear apart a community that's grown to care about each other? Is that how you help the admin? 13:51
 randomcloud You can sit there on your ass. The rest of us have work to do. 13:51
 *System randomcloud has left 13:51
 *System peapodamus has left 13:51
 wtf is she talking about 13:52
 poncho no idea really. anyway at least everyone can cool off now lol 13:53
 californiablue I think she thought she was getting under my skin but I couldn't care less 13:54
 californiablue she likes to accuse people of manipulation a lot. I think she has a Psychology 101 book she reads over and over. 13:55