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 <theweirdn8> hows pyra doign mah niggas?
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: Are you drunk?
 <theweirdn8> no
 <theweirdn8> im asking whats new
 <Ziz> Just check the news section in the board? 3th revision of the PCB and sometimes new prototypes for the case.
 <theweirdn8> any word on operating system?
 <Ziz> Debian. That is fix since ages.
 <theweirdn8> The glorious Debian, eh?
 <theweirdn8> cool, so no special recompile will be needed for Pyra?
 <Ziz> Best choice imho.
 <theweirdn8> Debian and Ubuntu are OP
 <Ziz> Not for most applications in the debian repository
 <theweirdn8> everything else is kinda like yea....
 <dreamer> theweirdn8: OP?
 <dreamer> too bad about the systemd move though :#
 <Ziz> However for games and emulators it should still be optimized
 <theweirdn8> OverPowered
 -*- dreamer still not happy about the whole PoetteringOS thing
 <theweirdn8> mkay
 <dreamer> theweirdn8: that .. is not an acronym anybody has ever used
 <theweirdn8> it is mainly used when talking about video game characters and classes
 <dreamer> yea realize that in here OP means OpenPandora ?
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 <dreamer> and on webforums it means Original Poster?
 <Wally>  hallo again
 <dreamer> just saying that maybe not use ambiguous acronyms :P
 <dreamer> you should*
 <Ziz> Operator was my firs thought
 <theweirdn8> yes, it has at least 3 definitions
 <theweirdn8> like many words
 <theweirdn8> :D
 <Wally> oh god it's theweirdn8
 <theweirdn8> hey man nigga Wally
 <Wally> .
 <Wally> how's not working on your games going
 <Wally> Thoughtso
 <Wally> _wb_ I dunno about Franko
 <Wally> Trashy has a point. he lies through the teeth to try and make do
 <theweirdn8> Wally, you do know my dad died a week ago, right?
 <Wally> so theweirdn8 ... What does this mean then "So on that note. I will try to fit in at least 3 hours of coding each day for the next two weeks.
 <theweirdn8> have you ever planned a funeral before?
 <theweirdn8> or one for a parent?
 <Wally> I sympathise with you but I don't like it when people tell everyone something and never live up to it.
 <Wally> theweirdn8 just tell your supporters.
 <Wally> No I can imagine it is tough.
 <theweirdn8> Wally, did you back FoF?
 <Wally> No
 <Wally> It's 3 years overdue.
 <theweirdn8> did you pre-order underground throne?
 <Wally> no
 <theweirdn8> project cars=overdo
 <Wally> What's that got to do with anything? None of these games are released.
 <theweirdn8> Watchdogs=overdo
 <theweirdn8> Fez=way overdo
 <Wally> Now you know why I haven't backed any of your projects.
 <theweirdn8> $1,000 budget=triangle of quality, time and money
 <theweirdn8> less funds=higher dev cycle
 <HolySmoke> what's FoF?
 <HolySmoke> and, it's "overdue" ;)
 <Wally> some game that theweirdn8 is "Supposibly" working on
 <Ziz> Fields of Fresh
 <Ziz> A agrocultur rpg about the fresh prince of bel ait
 <Ziz> *air
 <theweirdn8> you guys really know how to be trolls and worthless
 <theweirdn8> i owe u all nothing
 <theweirdn8> and im making my gamepencil engine 1st before finishing game
 <Wally> theweirdn8 no. I am stating the truth
 <theweirdn8> which means, i have to learn how to add pathfinding, since no one here wants to help
 <theweirdn8> and my backers are okay with that
 <theweirdn8> so why aren't you?
 <HolySmoke> s/help/do it for me/
 <theweirdn8> go give mighty9 a hard time for launching a 2nd funding campaign after raising all of that money
 <Ziz> No, you don't. Neither do we. However we are annoyed, that you keep announcing stuff + beging for money in our community with no seeable result until now. :)
 <theweirdn8> OP doesnt have best track record on delivery either
 <theweirdn8> startups rarely do
 <Wally> theweirdn8 for crying out loud you quit your day job on Dec 15 2013
 -*- HamishTPB munches popcorn
 <HolySmoke> difference is, this channel is called openpandora
 <theweirdn8> My dad died
 <theweirdn8> i do not need to explain myself
 <Wally> theweirdn8 .. this was 7 months ago you quit your job
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: I did! Do a breadth-first-search with minding every already visited tile. That should be enough
 <theweirdn8> and the least of all to any of you
 <theweirdn8> Where?
 <Ziz> The last time you and I met here
 <Ziz> I told you, google BFS.
 <_wb_> I mentioned Dijkstra and told you where to find example code in the Microbes source code
 <Ziz> And _wb_ mentioned dijkstra
 <HamishTPB> Wally: good day, fine sir. I think toast soldiers and boiled eggs for brunch today - had a nice sleep in then went for a walk with Zeus
 <Wally> yay HamishTPB :D
 <Ziz> (Which is still OP imho :P)
 <theweirdn8> Was unity3d made in 7 months?
 <Wally> theweirdn8 .
 <theweirdn8> game maker?
 <theweirdn8> corona?
 <Wally> No excuses.
 <theweirdn8> construct?
 <Wally> OP will surely deliver! Not.
 <theweirdn8> I have tons of stress right now
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: No, but maybe their concept papers. ;)
 <theweirdn8> and im in no rush to do tons of work until AFTER the funeral
 <Wally> theweirdn8 so tell your backers.
 <_wb_> but honestly, if you're having difficulty with implementing something as basic as a shortest path algorithm, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to be a professional game coder
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: FOr which I feel sorry for you, but you can't expect, that we o your work (for which you want money later) just because you have rare spare time...
 <theweirdn8> Wally, go fall in a ditch in the middle of the night in a large forest
 <Wally> theweirdn8...
 <Wally> Be serious for a minute..
 <Wally> Tell your backers what is up.
 <Wally> instead of telling them "OH 3 HOURS A DAY"
 <theweirdn8> I have already told them what is up
 <theweirdn8> its an average
 <theweirdn8> and Wally, just be quiet for a moment
 <theweirdn8> no matter what i do, u have something to say
 <theweirdn8> Wally, I do not solicit your advice
 <theweirdn8> So do not give it
 <Wally> .
 <theweirdn8> And its a bit harder to code when im sharing the computer with 3 other people
 <_wb_> first learn to code, then code, then try to sell your code if that's what you want to do
 <theweirdn8> on a computer that randomly crashes
 <_wb_> that's the proper order of things
 <_wb_> not first sell, then code, then learn to code
 <_wb_> you got it all reversed man
 <theweirdn8> order already was violated, but now im minding my own business
 <theweirdn8> _wb, thank you for your feedback
 <theweirdn8> but pathfinding is not even needed for FoF, just for engine in general
 <theweirdn8> for Underground Throne(RTS)
 <theweirdn8> the engine can launch without it
 <HamishTPB> Asking questions in a public channel *is* soliciting advice
 <theweirdn8> but i prefer to launch with it so i can port over underground throne easier
 <theweirdn8> Whenever I ask a question, it is not towards Wally
 <HamishTPB> you can't ask publicly and then be selective when you are faced with harsh truths
 <theweirdn8> Yes, one can
 <Ziz> Back in my days there were tutorials for EVERYTHING IT related in the internet... Aren't they ANY Pathfinding tutorials?
 <theweirdn8> that's okay. I am as of today dropping all games and apps support to the openpandora directly
 <theweirdn8> and maybe gcw-zero later
 <B-ZaR> wikipedia a*
 <_wb_> do you have games and apps on the openpandora?
 <theweirdn8> @Wally, let me go announce it to my backers
 <Wally> theweirdn8 Look. I know you're not lying about your dad.
 <Wally> I just want you to know.. that you need to focus on one thing at a time.
 <Wally> but whatever.
 <theweirdn8> im dropping all support for this community of crybabies and psycopathic users
 <_wb_> dropping support for what?
 <theweirdn8> I've been focusing on one thing. The Game Pencil engine
 <Wally> _wb_ the OpenPandora apparently
 <theweirdn8> the engine, runners and future games onto the system
 <_wb_> support of what?
 <Gryfelhase> *note to myself: inkscape with mouse and real keyboard is much more productive then on the pandora ;)
 <theweirdn8> this community has been very unsupportive and i can use the time to dev for ouya instead
 <_wb_> vaporware does not need support
 <Wally> theweirdn8 I've told you once before that you need a proper business plan if this is going to work. Instead you yelled at me
 <HamishTPB> Ziz: there are tutorials
 <gsterling> theweirdn8: the community is very supportive to those who give back
 <_wb_> vapor floats all by itself
 <theweirdn8> I asked for help to simply do a test port of my tic tac toe game, no aide
 <Wally> +1 to gsterling.
 <theweirdn8> i do not even own a pandora and wanted help to do so
 <theweirdn8> but none was given
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: you're a world-class bullshit-spewing bellend who wants everyone else to do work for him while he begs for money and produces nothing, not even a proper plan.
 <theweirdn8> so for the record you shall receive your "vaporware" in full
 <HamishTPB> don't take your shortcomings out on other people
 <theweirdn8> beg for money?!
 <theweirdn8> $1,000 is not much for 2 games and an engine
 <theweirdn8> are you kidding me?
 <theweirdn8> tic tac toe is a free app...
 <HamishTPB> where are the games?
 <theweirdn8> i just wanted to test it, since it uses same sdl tech
 <theweirdn8> Underground throne, demo uploaded
 <theweirdn8> Fields of Fresh, tested at local conference
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: So did you find a tester for tic tac toe?
 <theweirdn8> right now im not focusing on games, but engine that it runs on
 <theweirdn8> yes, it was downloaded many times from superlongname.com
 <HamishTPB> then you push them aside and start another project yet people have paid for the original projects
 <theweirdn8> for GCW0 users
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: But?
 <theweirdn8> all i wanted was for someone to simply help me test port to OP, everyone essentially said, "F you nate".
 <theweirdn8> No one paid for anything
 <HamishTPB> and you reveal your lack of knowledge and experience yet don't listen when people give you honest answers then try to frame everything as some sort of attack
 <theweirdn8> Backers approved mission for long term and short term goals
 <HamishTPB> take a long hard look at yourself and how you present yourself in public
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: So your tic tac toe port run well?
 <theweirdn8> Its been ported to zero for like  year and a half
 <HamishTPB> people tried to help you theweirdn8 then when you didn't like the answers you accuse all of not helping and being bad to you
 <theweirdn8> its on the gcw0 forums via dingooty
 <theweirdn8> all answers were "Google it"
 <theweirdn8> i know how to google
 <theweirdn8> and read tutorials
 <theweirdn8> all i wanted was for someone to help lower the burden; but all said, "screw that make it all urself"
 <theweirdn8> and we want it asap
 <HamishTPB> the answers were google (explicit terms)
 <HamishTPB> not the same thing
 <Wally> theweirdn8 you've got a million company names
 <theweirdn8> One=PawByte
 <Wally> Do yourself a favour and analyse, consolidate and do everything
 <Ziz> So, what did you wanted? That someone builds your code? Or that someone tries your built code?
 <Wally> tailware.com
 <Wally> superlongname.com
 <theweirdn8> TailWare=down(Former pawbyte name)
 <theweirdn8> superlongname=distribution service
 <Wally> that's exactly what i'm talking about
 <Wally> consolidate
 <theweirdn8> SLN does not produce games or apps, its a service
 <Wally> focus on ONE thing
 <Wally> Note your new ideas down.. And use them later
 <theweirdn8> SLN has been turned over to our other web dev
 <theweirdn8> only time i work on that site is to fix a reported bug
 <Wally> do not action those new ideas until the other idea is completed
 <theweirdn8> SLN=already used by devs, cant just drop support of site
 <theweirdn8> Underground throne was originally never gonna see light of day
 <theweirdn8> until DK Mobile was released, i couldnt hold it in anymore
 <theweirdn8> there, all explained
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: Please answer my questions. Did you want someone to build or to test?
 <Wally> You're going to explode if you have more than one project
 <theweirdn8> There is one project
 <theweirdn8> The Game Pencil Engine
 <theweirdn8> simply port/recompile
 <theweirdn8> thats all that was needed
 <theweirdn8> but my decision is already being posted
 <Cloudef> I was ported from american
 <_wb_> I love this one: http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/facebook-status-updates-funny-pictures-3.jpg
 <theweirdn8> Underground Throne has not been worked on in ages. All efforts are being made towards engine/editor/runner
 <theweirdn8> editor 1st, since runner=need slight mods only
 <theweirdn8> but runner and editor both run on same "engine"
 <Wally> lol _wb_
 <Ziz> But, with no offense... If you already made a gcw version.... What prevents you from installing the pandora toolchain (really just running a script and waiting) and compile it the same way?
 <HamishTPB> lol @ _wb_
 <Wally> what Ziz SAID
 <_wb_> theweirdn8: "Men and women, please get tested for cancer and make sure any elderly person you know has as well." -> you may want to replace that "has" at the end with "gets tested"
 <HamishTPB> :)
 <_wb_> now it sounds like you want me to somehow give cancer to an elderly person I know
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: who has agreed to you selling this part of game pencil "
 <HamishTPB> OpenPandora Export
 <HamishTPB> (Through OP Community Assistance)
 <HamishTPB> "
 <Wally> theweirdn8 relevant also. you keep changing.. the name of things. The name doesn't matter until you have something owrking ;)
 <HamishTPB> you are advertising a service with a fee yet saying no-one here will help you
 <HamishTPB> so who is the person or persons who has agreed to this?
 <Wally> haha totally locked the worldcup thread
 <Wally> inb4 a million people whinge about my joke
 <HamishTPB> Wally: I just marked it as read and moved along :)
 <HamishTPB> If I had known there was a Wally joke I might have looked though :p
 <Wally> :D
 <Wally> HamishTPB I just put the joke in now
 <HamishTPB> I will look in a bit - I do all my forum stuff in one session
 <HamishTPB> probably with food when I finally get to it
 <Wally> ditto
 <Wally> I bet Ziz will complain ;)
 <theweirdn8> No one here is helping
 <theweirdn8> thus i wont do anything
 <theweirdn8> also, i dont have Linux
 <theweirdn8> and this is a family pc that is dying
 <theweirdn8> my laptop was stolen a week before my dad died
 <Ziz> theweirdn8: I just tried! You didn't react...
 <theweirdn8> im using an old hp slimeline machine
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: spend the backers money on a professional set-up - surely what they intended it for...
 <theweirdn8> im sharing this computer
 <theweirdn8> the project promised ports
 <theweirdn8> did it not?
 <Wally> The project generated another 10 ;)
 <theweirdn8> if funds are spent to create a cross-platform engine, then engine wont be cancelled
 <Ziz> VM? Furthermore you can't except that we do such things because you can't. >.< It is a shame that you notebook was stolen. But you need a new one anyway to stay professinal programmer
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: you didn't answer my (perfectly reasonable and polite) question about the OP support
 <HamishTPB> and a professional operation has insurance too
 <theweirdn8> no one from OP is giving me support
 <Wally> theweirdn8 how about going back to your old job?
 <theweirdn8> this is supposed to be an OpenSource community, but all I see is no help.
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: so why advertise it as a paid service to the world on your website?
 <theweirdn8> no
 <theweirdn8> i've spent my own money constantly on art alreasdy
 <Wally> theweirdn8 we're not expected to drop everything because you quit your day job
 <theweirdn8> im not doing that again
 <theweirdn8> i will do as i do
 <Ziz> Because you close your eyes and make stupid excuses if someone wants to help you
 <theweirdn8> then, dont expect anything
 <Wally> We all warned you earlier about quitting your job
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 <theweirdn8> Me quiting my job has nothing to do with anything
 <theweirdn8> im not asking for anything from the OP community anymore
 <Wally> theweirdn8 it has everything to do with everything
 <HamishTPB> if you think that then you are missing the point
 <theweirdn8> NOTHING
 <Wally> 1) you coudl have bought a new laptop by now
 <Wally> 2) you wouldn't be complaining about not having money
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: so you will take away the link claiming OP community support for something YOU are charging for then?
 <theweirdn8> 1)I will buy a new laptop in a few weeks(maybe one)
 <theweirdn8> 2) im not complaining about that. im complaining about no one here wants to use their toolchain to recompile
 <theweirdn8> OP community paid for nothign
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: the toolchain is freely available for you to compile
 <_wb_> theweirdn8: what code do you want me to compile?
 <theweirdn8> I do not have Linux on this computer
 <theweirdn8> this is a family computer, they do not want to dualboot
 <_wb_> point me to a tarball or whatever and I'll give it a try
 <theweirdn8> and this computer is literaly dying
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: read what I say - YOU are charging for a service that includes a point of OP community support for YOUR product
 <theweirdn8> its very outdated and occasionally has blue screens of death
 <theweirdn8> thats okay, OP support is being dropped
 <theweirdn8> i havent charged anyone
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: you realise how childish and massively unproffesional you sound??
 <HamishTPB> You are advertising it as a paid service though
 <theweirdn8> and the plan WAS to make the OP port free if someone simply helped me make ports to it
 <theweirdn8> but thats not gonna happen
 <theweirdn8> OP will just disappear
 <HamishTPB> ASK first, get support in place THEN advertise it
 <theweirdn8> as stated, no need to worry about it
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 <theweirdn8> OP community may be revisited in 2 years from now
 <Cloudef> I think nobody just thinks it's not worthy enough to waste time porting on
 <HamishTPB> you can't say other people will do something for you then moan about it if they can't/won't
 <Wally> theweirdn8 tell us.. Simon Carter. where did he approve of this Undergrou...
 <theweirdn8> via twitter
 <theweirdn8> and brb, writing KS post
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: I keep finding similar stuff to your attitude here in other places...
 <_wb_> theweirdn8: if you give me a nice tarball with a makefile and it compiles (e.g. on x86 linux), i'll compile it and package it into a PND for you, no problem
 <HamishTPB> yet you are convinced everyone else is at fault, not you...
 <HamishTPB> http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/underground-throne-dungeon-conquering-rts.90139/#post-3176657
 <HamishTPB> The OP Community support promise is still on the pawbyte/game-pencil site
 <theweirdn8> site update coming soon
 <theweirdn8> 1st kickstarter supporters
 <_wb_> theweirdn8: are you ignoring me?
 <HamishTPB> _wb_: waiting until you get angry so he can say you didn't try to help
 <superroach-phone> This is a good point from wb.
 <HamishTPB> hey superroach-phone .o/
 <Wally> _wb_ is being a good lass :D
 <Wally> hey Ziz hurry up and yell at me for locking the worldcup thread
 <theweirdn8> _wb, decision already made
 <HamishTPB> lol
 <theweirdn8> there is no longer a need to port anything
 <Wally> Ah.. theweirdn8 is an askhole
 <theweirdn8> OP community support is dropped
 <Ziz> Wally: THank you! Please feel free to delete any world cup related!
 <Wally> \o/
 <superroach-phone> Thats a new term wally.
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 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: so you are taking the implied support from this community off your site now then??
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 <Wally> SuperRoach http://cover-ground.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Definition-Of-An-Askhole.jpg
 <Ziz> Nooo He dropped the bass err Pandora support
 <HamishTPB> Wally: LOLz
 <SuperRoach> nice. :)
 <Wally> o wow http://lab.facepunch.com/thread/1203948/post/37313055/
 <theweirdn8> Yes, all OP community support will be dropped
 <Wally> theweirdn8
 <Wally> Good
 <_wb_> theweirdn8: ok, well, if you change your mind, the offer still stands
 <theweirdn8> and all implied support
 <Wally> No worries
 <Wally> askhole
 <HamishTPB> Wally: the comments are priceless
 <Wally> HamishTPB yeah. It's like 4chan
 <_wb_> i'm not personally interested in farmer games or whatever (i'm not even really a gamer at all myself), but I don't mind helping out a bit if I can
 <HamishTPB> _wb_: no-one here would mind helping out if we didn't get a load of fluff and attitude as well as right wing rants
 <Wally> At least _wb_ can compile.. He's a uni prof
 <Wally> Most Uni Profs I know cna't compile haha
 <HamishTPB> anyone who I've seen come to IRC or the forums with genuine intent and sensible attitudes and questions has been helped
 <HamishTPB> I think ED should make a complaint to the hosting company about the community being linked to something without permission. It is still there
 <Wally> If someone is going to pay $15 for us to compile something on the Pandora and we don't get any return. (Free games) then.. whatever
 <_wb_> Wally: i'm not a prof yet, i'm just a postdoc
 <Wally> ah.
 <Wally> Even better.
 <_wb_> to get tenure I probably need to forget how to compile first :)
 <HamishTPB> lol
 <Wally> lol
 <theweirdn8> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pawbyte/fields-of-fresh-epic-campaign-for-an-epic-rpg/posts/913382
 <theweirdn8> the goal was to make the OP free originally
 <HamishTPB> Underground Throne - Development paused until Agriduel(Fields of Fresh) is completed.
 <theweirdn8> but no help was given, so it was made a premium port option instead
 <Wally> haha
 <HamishTPB> Agriduel(Fields of Fresh) - Development will continue once Game Pencil editor and engine are completed.
 <Wally> k
 <Wally> so.. theweirdn8  U MAD?
 <HamishTPB> theweirdn8: so you were advertising and intending to charge for something you knew you couldn't deliver???
 <theweirdn8> the charge was to help pay for equipment
 <theweirdn8> porting to OP was said to be as easy as porting to G0
 <theweirdn8> GCW0*
 <HamishTPB> You implied charging for OP support from the community
 <HamishTPB> your site still does
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 <theweirdn8> can i do ONE THING AT A TIME?
 <HamishTPB> apparently NOT
 <theweirdn8> how can you update kickstarter and still update a website at same time?
 <HolySmoke> by having different people for pr and coding
 <theweirdn8> Free staff?
 <theweirdn8> $1,000 barely covered pixel art
 <HolySmoke> if you're a charity, sure
 <HolySmoke> you're not saying, kickstarter is your only source of income, are you?
 <Wally> *COUGH&
 <HamishTPB> .
 <theweirdn8> for FoF
 <HamishTPB> It's gone from the site now - TY theweirdn8
 <theweirdn8> where do you think i've gotten money from?
 <HamishTPB> suckers
 <HolySmoke> ks is for funding, not payment
 <theweirdn8> like 4 ppl pre-ordered underground throne
 <HamishTPB> Wally: when is our next gaming session?
 <Wally> 9001 years
 <Wally> :P
 <HamishTPB> ok
 <Wally> probably friday night
 <HamishTPB> I might know how to play hedgehog pink dude thing by then
 <Wally> although there's a slight chance I won't be at gym tomorrow
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 <SuperRoach> is that the worms
 <HamishTPB> SuperRoach: apparently - never played that either
 <HamishTPB> but certainly played the 80s games they are based on
 <Wally> SuperRoach yeah same idea
 <HamishTPB> also I think there was a Linux game similar with just 2 towers/turrets or similar
 <HolySmoke> monkeys with bananas? :D
 <HamishTPB> lol
 <HamishTPB> not played that but it sounds like fun
 <SuperRoach> oh ok
 <HamishTPB> eggs and soldiers next before I drop down from hunger weakness
 <HamishTPB> biab
 <theweirdn8> Good by
 <theweirdn8> bye*
 <Ziz> Tiiimmmeee toooo.... say goodbyyyyeeee
 <Wally> kbai
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