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 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 I still haven't even made the button because jfkslajfdlsajedsowigfb
 17:35
 slackerSnail
 I've thought of self-modifying routines to a slight degree
 17:35
 Lumage☆☆☆
 why is everything shit
 17:35
 slackerSnail
 but mostly about code injection
 17:35
 calc84maniac
 But yeah, if I want to do another CHIP-8 emulator
 I won't have to write my compiler on the PC
 (Transferring a CHIP-8 program over modem shouldn't be *too* bad... they're like 4KB or something)
 17:36
 slackerSnail
 a befunge compiler will be a fun but insanely frustrating challenge
 befunge to SB code will be very interesting
 17:37
 calc84maniac
 I'll be back later, going to go drown my sorrows in Smash
 17:37
 ArcPh1r3
 bye
 17:37
 slackerSnail
 o/
 18:21
 slackerSnail
 because then if they don't listen it's their fault and we can make them feel bad
 18:21
 Lumage☆☆☆
 It really should work in the newest safari though
 I'm going to ask them for a bunch of information so at least it seems like we're trying to fix things
 18:22
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 yeah but a lot of people seem to want to use old browsers and consoles
 And it should at least kind of work on there
 But it doesn't work at all
 18:22
 slackerSnail
 really it's not our fault
 18:22
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 (I'm talking about the chat server)
 18:22
 slackerSnail
 the devices should be ready to work
 this is 2015 jeez
 Welcome to the SmileBASIC Source chat, ArcPh1r3
 You received 4720 coins for the 1-hour reset. You now have 4870 coins
 18:23
 slackerSnail
 if they can't use old shit then they need new software or they're left behind
 or we can take secret option E
 18:23
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 wii u doesn't work
 18:23
 slackerSnail
 we operate both this site AND the wikia until this site is stable enough
 18:23
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 new 3ds doesn't work
 I can't
 I can't make the site stable enough
 18:23
 slackerSnail
 nintendo has a terrible track record with browsers
 much of our userbase should be using modern browsing so it's a waste of time to just drop everything and leave
 18:24
 Lumage☆☆☆
 yeah but they worked before
 18:24
 ArcPh1r3
 don't tell me you're seriously considering dropping the site
 18:24
 slackerSnail
 he is considering
 18:24
 Lumage☆☆☆
 so it's not acceptable
 18:24
 ArcPh1r3
 after the hell you've put yourself through to get this far
 18:25
 Lumage☆☆☆
 hell isn't good enough
 We have A DAY to make it usable
 and it isn't
 18:25
 slackerSnail
 it's usable for most people, and that's good enough for day one
 18:25
 Lumage☆☆☆
 No, it isn't
 18:25
 slackerSnail
 you aren't going to give up when there's only 17 hours left
 18:25
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Do you see those three people that just registered
 18:25
 slackerSnail
 I won't let you
 18:26
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Tell me why they aren't in chat.
 They're all broken or lost
 18:26
 ArcPh1r3
 tell me why we're all in chat if it's so unusable
 it's NOT YOUR FAULT
 18:26
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 because we're using modern browsers
 18:26
 ArcPh1r3
 that's no reason to pack up and leave
 18:26
 Lumage☆☆☆
 yes it is
 18:26
 slackerSnail
 this is only DAY ONE
 there's time to improve
 18:26
 Lumage☆☆☆
 No
 It has to be better than this
 18:27
 slackerSnail
 Oh, so once SB comes out site development is automatically over
 18:27
 Lumage☆☆☆
 no one will use the site if they can't
 18:27
 slackerSnail
 you know what lumage
 18:27
 Lumage☆☆☆
 And they'll expect it to work
 18:27
 slackerSnail
 i'm tired of your pessimistic bullshit
 most of it works for most of the userbase
 that's fine for now
 18:27
 Lumage☆☆☆
 I'm tired of your optimistic bullshit
 18:27
 slackerSnail
 did you expect day 1 to go down perfectly?
 18:27
 Lumage☆☆☆
 When I see a site that doesn't work for me
 18:27
 slackerSnail
 because I didn't
 18:27
 Lumage☆☆☆
 I give up and leave
 18:28
 slackerSnail
 fine, ignored
 18:28
 ArcPh1r3
 he's not even being overly optimistic
 18:28
 slackerSnail
 if you aren't being rational then shut up
 the more people come here, the more testing we get so we can improve
 "it doesn't work day one" is A LOT of software
 18:28
 Lumage☆☆☆
 We can't just say "oh people can't use the site? Well I can, that's good enough."
 18:29
 slackerSnail
 we can improve AFTER release, it's not a crazy idea
 18:29
 Sparky
 alot
 18:29
 Lumage☆☆☆
 But it's hardly usable
 18:29
 ArcPh1r3
 it's very usable
 18:29
 slackerSnail
 yeah, "hardly usable"
 I can hardly fuckin use this why am I here
 CJ, you did a great job
 18:29
 ArcPh1r3
 i'm all for pessimism but you're just being irrational
 18:29
 slackerSnail
 don't listen to fishfuck over here
 18:30
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Because you happen to know how to update your browser
 18:30
 Sparky
 jeez
 18:30
 slackerSnail
 don't waste your effort and just leave, that's what a quitter does
 ask yourself
 "What would Shia do?"
 18:30
 Sparky
 -.-
 18:30
 slackerSnail
 HE WOULD JUST
 DO IT
 18:31
 Sparky
 But, what would Aihs do?
 18:31
 slackerSnail
 imsorry that meme wasn't appropriate
 18:31
 Sparky
 She wouldn't do it.
 18:31
 slackerSnail
 lol where's CJ
 18:31
 ArcPh1r3
 >spend months creating a kickass website
 >give up because someone can't figure out how to update their browser
 18:31
 Sparky
 NICE MEAM
 18:31
 slackerSnail
 alright you guys have 17 hours to make a decision
 don't disappoint me
 18:31
 Sparky
 Yes
 No
 18:32
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 the easiest is to disable https
 18:32
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Yeah but someone had problems with CHROME
 18:32
 Sparky
 And maybe
 18:32
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 It's 1 dollar per month wasted
 18:32
 Sparky
 C-chrome??
 18:32
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 And I don't care
 18:32
 Lumage☆☆☆
 disable https
 18:32
 slackerSnail
 yes
 18:32
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 Yeah well
 18:32
 Lumage☆☆☆
 it'll screw up all these links
 18:32
 slackerSnail
 I've been saying this how many time?
 18:32
 Sparky
 um
 18:32
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 No it wont'
 18:32
 Sparky
 none
 18:32
 slackerSnail
 the links don't fucking matter lumage, the site working does
 18:32
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 The server can automagically redirect from https to http
 18:32
 Sparky
 b7
 18:32
 Lumage☆☆☆
 not internal
 oh ok
 18:33
 slackerSnail
 we don't need security that badly, who's gonna attack us
 18:33
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 Yes, it can do it for both internal, external, anything
 nginx is amazing
 18:33
 slackerSnail
 it's not like wikia had any
 18:33
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 that's true
 wikia didn't have https
 18:33
 slackerSnail
 I mean it's pretty stupid to go back to HTTP when you've only been secure for less than a day
 18:33
 Sparky
 G Major
 G major is a high note, yes?
 18:33
 bluesun
 https could be a user option? but at that point what's the point
 18:33
 slackerSnail
 but why stay secure if it doesn't work
 18:33
 ArcPh1r3
 yes
 18:34
 bluesun
 some browsers complain about passwords on http though I think
 18:34
 Lumage☆☆☆
 er what's 'webcrypto'
 18:34
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 it never complained on development
 where do you see that lumage
 18:34
 slackerSnail
 FF did a few times in the console
 18:34
 bluesun
 but even say vbulletin is plain http
 ^
 18:34
 slackerSnail
 "insecure forms"
 18:34
 Lumage☆☆☆
 it's a thing
 18:34
 slackerSnail
 or something
 18:34
 Lumage☆☆☆
 um
 18:34
 bluesun
 FF does in the console
 18:34
 Lumage☆☆☆
 html5 or something
 18:34
 slackerSnail
 but it's just a console thing
 18:34
 Lumage☆☆☆
 nvm
 18:34
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 ugh your website is expected to have https
 That's the problem
 18:34
 slackerSnail
 who cares what other people expect
 18:35
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Me?
 18:35
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 No, I mean browsers
 18:35
 slackerSnail
 the user expects it to work, not to have an encrypted security
 18:35
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 The WWWC
 Eventually it'll probably just be a requirement
 18:35
 slackerSnail
 the user is the bottom line right now
 that's an issue for the future
 18:35
 Lumage☆☆☆
 okay yeah
 all these fuckers don't support webso--
 18:35
 bluesun
 api.browsershots.org/png/original/47/4753a986c809c411cb9dd3ea9dfe5989.png
 18:36
 Lumage☆☆☆
 wait that can't be true it worked on iphone what the hell
 18:36
 slackerSnail
 they support sockets but not on secure
 so https is the death of us
 18:36
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 no, hang on
 They all support wss
 I checked
 18:36
 bluesun
 I'm just posting random screenshots, ignore me in this
 18:36
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 Wii u, 3ds, old browsers
 18:36
 slackerSnail
 then what the fuck is the problem
 they must have an incomplete spec
 18:36
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 That's the problem: I have no idea
 The server is just saying "I can't decrypt your header"
 18:37
 slackerSnail
 it worked on insecure so we should go back to the way it was when it worked
 when in doubt, revert until it works again
 you have 17 hours
 this is crunch time
 18:37
 Sparky
 youtube.com/watch?v=Kdp4NHWr7G8 2:20-2:45
 Jeeezz
 He is so high
 18:38
 slackerSnail
 I'm sure you can do it in half the time
 You threw together this entire website, why waste it?
 18:38
 Sparky
 "Yeah"
 18:38
 Lumage☆☆☆
 well you see
 18:38
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 because it's literally just a forum and we're literally just two people
 18:38
 Lumage☆☆☆
 the CSS is disgusting at this point
 I can't edit things effectively
 18:38
 Sparky
 You can do it CJ!
 18:39
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Programs don't really work
 18:39
 Sparky
 ""
 18:39
 slackerSnail
 there's actually many more than 2 people here
 18:39
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 This is why people use tools to construct the website
 18:39
 Lumage☆☆☆
 the styling obviously sucks
 18:39
 slackerSnail
 I don't see your point
 18:39
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 ugh fine no https
 18:39
 slackerSnail
 no matter how you look at it, just throwing it away is a wasted effort
 yay I'm a great negotiator
 victory for smilebasicsource
 18:39
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 I feel like I already wasted SO much effort in making something that doesn't work
 18:39
 slackerSnail
 but it did work
 18:40
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 The web is the shittiest place in the whole world
 18:40
 Lumage☆☆☆
 look at the bug reports thread
 18:40
 bluesun
 what does the registration form use, since that's obviously a websocket
 or am I confused... nm
 18:40
 slackerSnail
 next time you do anything maybe don't use https
 it'll be a requirement eventually but at that point everything will support it
 18:41
 Lumage☆☆☆
 ...
 18:41
 Sparky
 youtube.com/watch?v=tvqKOIoh-XY The ending sounds like a frog croaking maybe :>
 18:41
 Lumage☆☆☆
 There shouldn't be anything wrong with https
 18:41
 slackerSnail
 well there is
 18:41
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 No, it breaks the chat
 I've already debugged everything. For some reason, secure chat is a broken pile of shit
 18:41
 slackerSnail
 so don't use it
 18:42
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 Yeah well we can't mix secure browsing with insecure chat, because fucking browsers
 18:42
 slackerSnail
 if you want the rest of site to be secure then route the port through insecure or something
 18:42
 bluesun
 oh xmlhttprequest bah yes I was confused
 18:42
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 So no https. We're killing a whole town because one person has aids
 18:42
 slackerSnail
 yeah sure think about it like that
 18:42
 bluesun
 is there another site which can be tested on 3ds etc that is known to use secure websockets
 18:42
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 Yes, I already tried
 It's just us
 18:42
 bluesun
 since that might give an idea of what could be wrong
 x.x
 18:43
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 This is why it's so frustrating
 18:43
 slackerSnail
 I blame the library of course
 18:43
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 wss seems to work for many browsers I've tried on a computer
 18:43
 slackerSnail
 "Wait, it just happened."
 18:43
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 And then it just doesn't work anywhere else. IDK
 But if I go to a testing website, they all work
 18:43
 Sparky
 Does Wikia use websockets?
 18:43
 slackerSnail
 no
 18:43
 bluesun
 I don't see anything wrong with it, YET.
 18:43
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 It's like the wii u doesn't trust our cert
 18:43
 Lumage☆☆☆
 wikia uses socket.io
 18:43
 bluesun
 Wait, it just happened.
 18:44
 slackerSnail
 what does that even mean
 18:44
 bluesun
 might be from an authority that's too new?
 18:44
 Sparky
 socket.io/slack >grin
 >smirk
 18:44
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 It's from an old authority
 It's very trusted. It's comodo or whatever
 18:44
 slackerSnail
 it's def not worth it to throw away an entire site because secure didn't work
 18:44
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 It's like the oldest one in the book lol
 besides verisign
 18:44
 bluesun
 x.x
 18:44
 Sparky
 x~x
 18:45
 slackerSnail
 it's really starting to seem like the library's problem
 18:45
 bluesun
 is there the full chain of certificates? pprobably unrelated but I remember working with someone else who had an issue as they were just using a certificate for the end user site
 18:45
 slackerSnail
 maybe this piece of shit library is just a piece of shit
 18:45
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 Yes the whole chain is there
 18:45
 slackerSnail
 fuck this library, you found another one right
 18:45
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Should I add the browser garbage to about hten
 18:45
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 mmm just say "works best on newer versions of firefox/chrome/etc."
 no I didin't
 18:46
 Lumage☆☆☆
 yeah something like that
 18:46
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 This new one looks like it'll have the same problems
 18:46
 Lumage☆☆☆
 but with poop emotes
 18:46
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 just use the poop unicode
 18:46
 slackerSnail
 how hard would it be to turn off secure
 18:46
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 easy; I'm doing it now
 18:46
 slackerSnail
 oh
 just say when
 be sure to tell everyone
 18:46
 Sparky
 Complete Darkness
 18:47
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 you'll know when; the server will restart
 18:47
 slackerSnail
 "your connection isn't secure anymore but at least it works" on the bug report thread or smth
 18:47
 Sparky
 what even is the library?
 18:47
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 A library is a bunch of code some dummy writes and then hands out so you don't have to write it yourself
 You've already received your coins for this 1 hour period.
 Please wait another 35 minutes
 18:47
 Sparky
 um
 18:48
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 But ofc they're just people, so there's bugs
 18:48
 Sparky
 yes humans
 18:48
 slackerSnail
 >some dummy
 18:48
 Sparky
 silly humans
 I was wondering about that part too
 18:48
 slackerSnail
 I can see CJ is very frustrated right now
 18:48
 Sparky
 what dummy did we get it from
 but CJ isn't a dummy
 18:48
 slackerSnail
 just imagine how happy you'll be when this works
 18:48
 ArcPh1r3
 carlos don't listen to these fools
 18:48
 Sparky
 >carlos
 18:49
 slackerSnail
 I didn't call CJ a dummy
 18:49
 Sparky
 >wanting to get banned again
 I didn't say you did
 18:49
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Uhh should I put the download sites for FF and Chrome
 18:49
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 yes please
 bluesun has left the chat.
 18:49
 Lumage☆☆☆
 because no one knows how to use google
 18:49
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 stop calling me carlos PLEASE
 bluesun has entered the chat.
 18:49
 ArcPh1r3
 sorry lol
 18:49
 bluesun
 will there be a seperate domain with wss for future testing? or does it only support one at a time
 18:49
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 You think you're being funny, but right now it's just pissing me off
 IDK the certificate only works on the main website
 So it's super hard to test
 18:50
 bluesun
 sorry for all the questions, just trying to help .-.
 ah
 18:50
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 I'm just not going to use it. What a waste. Thank you for the help
 ElzoBro has entered the chat.
 18:51
 slackerSnail
 I mean, it's a dollar less a month and your users work
 18:51
 ArcPh1r3
 hi
 18:51
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 You don't pay per month
 you pay per year. the cert is good until july of NEXT year
 18:51
 slackerSnail
 oh
 18:51
 Sparky
 sorrryyyy mistress
 I love chex mix
 ElzoBro has left the chat.
 bluesun has left the chat.
 18:52
 randomouscrap☆☆☆☆☆
 uhhhh hm.
 bluesun has entered the chat.
 18:53
 ArcPh1r3
 6:51 PM - SPARKYSTREAM: Sanchex mix
 6:51 PM - SPARKYSTREAM: Carlos-san chex mix
 18:53
 bluesun
 disconnects are just me, I'm hoping
 18:53
 ArcPh1r3
 yes
 18:53
 slackerSnail
 it's just you
 18:53
 Sparky
 ArcPh1r3: lol carlos is mad
 "We love you."
 SPARKYSTREAM: Chex mix is so good
 SPARKYSTREAM: I love it
 18:54
 bluesun
 o3DS doesn't support websockets at all, according to websocket.org/echo.html
 18:54
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Okay edited about
 18:54
 bluesun
 and that's about the extent I can test
 18:54
 Sparky
 Let's all die together is ok.
 Magic mirror and what else are the other two?
 18:54
 slackerSnail
 if this works you can thank my motivational speech later
 18:54
 Sparky
 shia
 18:55
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Keine
 18:55
 slackerSnail
 (copythat)
 18:55
 Sparky
 kiene?
 Keine?
 18:55
 Lumage☆☆☆
 Decoration Battle and then Magic Mirror
 18:55
 Sparky
 Magic Mirror isn't very good
 decoration battle is annoying
 18:55
 Lumage☆☆☆
 great red eyes and short green hair
 18:56
 Sparky
 wavy
 18:56
 Lumage☆☆☆
 if you step on my flowers you better be dead
 >where
 18:56
 Sparky
 World of empty dreams is nice
 18:56
 Lumage☆☆☆
 decoration battle?
 18:56
 Sparky
 youtube.com/watch?v=oluGWBK8Bk8
 yes
 18:56
 Lumage☆☆☆
 EVERYONE likes decoration battle
 18:56
 Sparky
 Um
 The most popular song is Strawberry Crisis apparently
 18:56
 slackerSnail
 a doot for bernie is a doot for calcium
 18:56
 Sparky
 but I don't like Strawberry crisis :<
 e.world of empty dreams becomes upbeat
 Why wouldn't it stay nice
 18:57
 bluesun
 a friend got some more Zelda codes now
 18:57
 Sparky
 youtube.com/watch?v=BuuUNhHRsrk
 BuuUN
 18:57
 bluesun
 so they might be sending more
 18:58
 ArcPh1r3
 when does someone make a code generator
 18:58
 Sparky
 slice
 18:58
 Lumage☆☆☆
 huh
 18:58
 bluesun
 'tomorrow on the 16th SB is finally released'
 System is shutting down in 5 seconds for maintenance...
 18:58
 Lumage☆☆☆
 now google translate can get some of the styles
 18:58
 Sparky
 maiden's cappuccino
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