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how's it going everybody Brian Alvarez
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here on wrestling observer radio we have
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Dave Meltzer here on the line it's June
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22nd 2008 figure four online.com slash
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wrestling observer comm we have a lot of
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news to talk about this weekend
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including the Ultimate Fighter show last
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night the draft is coming up tomorrow
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and a bunch of other news as well we'll
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get in the mailbag at the end of this
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program as well Dave how you doing
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pretty good how you doing Brian not too
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bad the Ultimate Fighter finale last
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night was a it was a it was a fine show
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your thoughts overall yes all right I
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you know it's one of those shows where
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there's so many shows now so it's like
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if you miss it I wouldn't say like oh
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you got to go and get the tape you got
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to see this match that match or whatever
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um but when watching it you know I it
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was it was never boring or anything like
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that i thought that i like i said the
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Donte Rivera Matt riddle match kind of a
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slow start to the show
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although Matt riddle does have a little
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bit of charisma and then you know from
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there the show was fine I would give it
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I would give it a mild thumbs up I would
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you know but it was you know as there's
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MMA show disco was just it was just a
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show it was like you know it's kind of
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like watching Smackdown you know what I
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mean you know I mean like there's
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certainly nothing wrong with it I'm
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entertained when watching it but at the
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same time if I didn't see it I you know
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hear I mean it's like it's like when
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it's over it's like wow I never think
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that this is what this bike was a great
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show or anything like that either I want
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to talk about a couple of notes from the
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show the Diego Sanchez fight I know you
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really enjoyed that one that was a good
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fight and and Diego went in there with
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somebody you wouldn't figure he would
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strike with and he did and he out
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striked him and and had a hell of a
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performance and and what would you rank
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Diego at this point it was really
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interesting because he looked you know
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what's happened with these guys it's a
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real interesting metamorphosis of the
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entire sport that a lot of the wrestlers
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are having a hard time taking guys down
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I was actually talking to someone with
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uh believe we were talking about you
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know just things going forward and the
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you know and a lot of a lot of the
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strikers are being out struck by
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wrestlers you know it's becoming kind of
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amalgamation like I have it
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another thing was actually on the show
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was you know besides Diego out striking
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Luigi fioravante which I wouldn't have
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expected and Diego being unable to take
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down Luigi fioravante which I wouldn't
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have expected and if it would gone that
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way I would have thought that Diego
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would be in a whole lot of trouble and
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it didn't turn out that way
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CB Dollaway in his pre-match sting even
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though he actually didn't do this he
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said like you know my plan is to stand
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and strike with the guy and I'm just
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thinking like you know you're an
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all-american wrestler who's just
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learning striking and he's a kickboxer
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who's trying to learn the ground game
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although obviously Amir has learned the
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ground game pretty quick I would think
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that you know standing with him wouldn't
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be the right idea
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especially because CB Dollaway stand up
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to me man you know it's not really all
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that good it's like a lot of guys are
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forgetting what they're best at and
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because they can strike now they want to
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strike you know because they they have a
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little bit of their they learn and they
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train it so hard and sometimes you know
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you've got to go with your strengths as
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opposed to you know just trying to
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strike because it's more fun I think
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also I think also part of it is that if
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you're in there with a guy like like
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just say Diego I mean if you're known as
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the better striker I think that you
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would be thinking going in this guy is
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going to try and take me down so you
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work on your wrestling and your ground
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game and your your submission avoidance
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and your takedown avoidance and
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everything like that and then when the
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guy comes in and starts trading with you
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it's almost it catches you off guard if
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you're not you know it's like in any
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skill if you don't hone your skill you
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know it starts to fade a little bit I
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mean I know I've talked to like you know
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top top level wrestlers you know at the
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you know Olympic level and I go you know
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like how long does it take before you
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know your your skills fade and of course
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it takes forever for them to completely
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fade but I know guys will go well if I
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go two days without training I lose my
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sharpness so you think about that and
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I'm sure in a striking sport it's the
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same way you know that not not two days
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but if you don't train striking for a
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while another guy who's not really a
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good striker you know it's the the whole
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thing of this sport it's fascinating
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sport and it's um you know there's more
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and more guys that are good and there's
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more and more things that can happen and
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you know I mean in that
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you've got a lot of unpredictability if
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it seems important to people which is
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the whole key of the sport itself is is
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the ability of these promoters to put
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context in all of these matches if they
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feel important and then you know you
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know you don't know what's gonna happen
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and surprises happen like they're
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wanting to happen because a very
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exciting sport to follow if you don't
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care about the guys you know all that
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means nothing now the emir Seabee fight
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was fascinating for a number of reasons
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it was it was almost a replay of their
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first fight
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Amir tapped him with an armbar won the
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The Ultimate Fighter season 7 and in
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winning Ultimate Fighter season 7 he
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brought himself up my guest to a10 pro
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record well you know I gotta find out
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exactly what's going on with these
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records because they introduced him with
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a 1 and O record so he must have picked
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up a win somewhere I'm wondering if they
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can had that win over CB as a
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professional match all because it was
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after the regular season it ended
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no no because it was during that no that
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was actually during the season the one
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that wasn't that was after was tim creed
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or yeah that's right yeah ok but they
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keep no CB and CB was built at 6 and oh
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during the season in the mirror was
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billed at oh no and then in the ring CB
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was billed at 7 and 1 and a mirror at 1
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and oh so my feeling is is that the two
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round fights that took place during the
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show don't count because they're two
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round fights but the semifinals the two
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semifinal matches and that kickback
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match you know with uh that was three
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rounds with some creed or and CB
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Dollaway
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also counted I'm that's my theory behind
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this I have not I've actually asked UFC
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and I'll have a you know I guess I'll
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knowed by tomorrow when way or the other
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what that what that is but I noticed the
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difference in those records and you know
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she would make sense because a
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three-round fight would be a regular
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three round I would assume sanctioned
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battle yeah the reason that I had always
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been told that the spikes didn't count
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on your record was because for a fight
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to count on your record you have to the
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Commission has to post the results
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immediately and of course these matches
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are kept secret so with the results not
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posted they have to be exhibitions but
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maybe there
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a special dispensation now that the
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three round fights can I don't know I
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don't know it's weird you know MMA
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records are weird you know because
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before I they were kind of like I
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thought people like kind of made a big
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deal about him and they weren't that
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important because in a lot of places
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they aren't but they're getting more and
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more important because this is you know
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let's face it this really is turning
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into a sport and so when when in terms
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of a sport those records you have to
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mean something and then the Commission's
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you know need to have real accurate
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records which you know basically they're
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trying to get to exist but really don't
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I mean you know like I mean whether I
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wish you sure dogfight finder but you
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know there's many many many fights that
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don't make that fight finder I mean tons
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you know I mean like all the big ones do
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sure but but you know these guys when
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they're you know starting their career
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doing these small shows you know tons of
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them don't there was um what was the guy
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I forgot his name now he was in season
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three from Louisiana and he had had like
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40 fights or something but you know
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maybe like seven of them were listed and
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he really did have those fights I mean
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people you know had seen them in things
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like that and people would go we're
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gonna watch the UFC showing all of my
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god they're making up records but you
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know actually they do have records and
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these fights exist but you know the
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record-keeping isn't you know I mean the
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Commission do what's called the
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Association of boxing commission and
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commissioners is trying to you know get
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like accurate records like they are
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supposed to have in boxing and
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eventually we're going to have that and
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you know the interesting thing about
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that is just from the Commission
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standpoint which is totally another
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subject you know they don't want to
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include the Japanese records because
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they're non sanctioned by Commission's
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so they don't want those matches
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included in your real record so this
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whole thing is a mess it's a growing
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there's a lot of growing pains there
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yeah it's it's growing pains you know
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it's you know and they're aspects that
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are a mess yeah well it's a learning
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curve you know it's like MMA we're still
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in the infancy you know for first at
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first it was like something that nobody
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really knew it was going on for years
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and years and now it's kind of like a
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real sport but it's a sport in its
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infancy as far as you know as compared
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to a lot of the others these other
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sports have been around for dozens and
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dozens of years now the other the other
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big I guess topic of conversation and
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the CB Dollaway 5
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was his strange tap he tapped one time
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and of course you you would have people
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arguing well you must tap multiple times
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for it to count and he initially
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complained about it but I guess later
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sort of I guess you gave the explanation
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on observer live he wanted to take it
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back
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but you can't do that in this sport yeah
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and the referee had no choice I mean the
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minute you see a guy in an armbar you
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see that guy tapping you dive in you're
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not counting one two three okay that's
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it no no you know the referee to the
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right there every did the right thing
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and everyone you know everyone knows
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there's no controversy in that and you
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know afterwards he admitted it so yeah
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maybe it was a little bad for him in the
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ring that night you know he came off
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looking you know but being I think he
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knew it and just was like you know that
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was his explanation don't dude guys
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don't do that you know if you if you
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tell the ref you want out you know don't
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then complain afterwards that you really
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didn't want out now the overall season
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of Ultimate Fighter I think it really
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picked up in the last three or four
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episodes but in general it's it's sort
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of to me getting a little tough because
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we're at the seventh season we're going
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into the eighth season and I think that
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that most of the real great undiscovered
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fighters have have already been
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discovered and we're kind of getting I
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don't necessarily want to say the bottom
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of the barrel but we're kind of getting
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a little farther down into the barrel
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right there and on the air here winning
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I mean you look at our mirror and and
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there was so much there was so much talk
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about Matt Brown and CB Dollaway and
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then the season sort of ends and Matt
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Brown didn't show a whole lot and CB got
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beaten twice by the same guy with the I
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guess one in zero record and I don't
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know about all mirrors chances in UFC in
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the short term so I guess I guess we'll
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see where were the Ultimate Fighter I
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guess the whole operation goes from here
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more growing pains
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you know I'm when I watch the season I
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kept you know I'm thinking that they
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almost need a Developmental League of
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guys to keep under contract and if they
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kind of fight each other on low-level
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shows because I mean again maybe we'll
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be surprised by a mere satola but you
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know I see him you know not being able
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to beat UFC competition at 185 and yeah
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but he look real impressive to consider
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you know his record and everything and
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how much experience he had and he
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certainly has a lot of promise and he's
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cool he's got some great traits and he's
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got a good character and people will
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like him if he can you know do okay but
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it's a it's asking a lot for that a guy
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like that to walk in and and you know
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you've been in 185's which isn't their
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deepest division but you know be
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competitive with the guys that they have
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on their roster so um yeah a lot of a
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lot of things going on in the UFC I mean
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it's moving so fast and you know it's
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hard to keep up with you know with just
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the stuff going on behind the scenes and
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but you know yeah that new talent and
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they're you know it's kind of like
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imperative you know I mean like you're
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supposed to book this guy like he's a
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star because people know who he is but
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it's going to be it's going to be tough
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for him because now people kind of
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expect you know a lot of the early
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ultimate fighters do very well in the
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sport and but they were a lot more
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experienced and a lot better you know
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fighters coming in the whole point you
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you were finding these these great
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undiscovered fighters yeah I mean why do
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you know in the early in the earlier
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these guys were UFC level that we're
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coming in and now these guys really
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aren't and that you know it's one of the
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big problems I had with this season was
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forgetting about all the antics and
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things like this it was just like who
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from this show is gonna be a star even
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like a Michael Bisping you know who is a
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big star right now you know whether he's
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a top fighter or not you know I mean he
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wins his fights he's he's good but the
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you know I don't see you know CB
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Dollaway
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you know who was supposed to be the big
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stud of this group or stuff there's
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something missing in him and winning
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yeah winning in the clutch and there's I
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think there's a confidence issue in him
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that he didn't take his first loss well
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and because I felt that like you know he
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looked like a monster all the way
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through the show and then when he after
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he lost to a mirror then he came back
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with some creed or and didn't really
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look that good there no you know even
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though he won and then in this fight you
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know he got arm barred again so all of a
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sudden you know it's like I think that
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he's got a confidence issue and and in
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UFC
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that'll do again for sure now I was not
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impressed by the big build-up for the
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quit and forest fight not only on the
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show but when they when they put him
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there last night with Rogan and he's
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interviewing both guys I mean Quinton
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was sort of funny and in forest was sort
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of funny and I mean you sat there and
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you watch them and it's like okay as
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soon as this segment ends both these
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guys are gonna go to a movie and go have
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dinner and I I have no desire to see
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them fight right now I have a little bit
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but you know again we they got a lot of
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work to do on this one and it didn't
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work out the way I think that a lot of
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people expected that it would and but
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I'm getting a little estate they had a
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lot of face time but he has a big grudge
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and as far as like some where I feel
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like boy that's gonna do a big Buy rate
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yeah no not there not there right now I
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mean you know if you think about it
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compared to like you know Frank Mir and
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Brock Lesnar or Matt Serra and George
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st. Pierre I think we've been lucky that
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there's been some like major issues this
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year and and in this one which was
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supposed to be the biggest of them all
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just didn't have that that major issue
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well I think the biggest of them all as
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far as as to star or coaches but I mean
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I don't I don't
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I didn't think going in that boy these
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guys have this big grudge against each
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other but I thought there might be at
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least something there no there was no
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anger and I mean there was one brief
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moment on the show but that was it yeah
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I mean like in December when when I was
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charting this year the one show that I
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thought I mean that I thought was going
14:44
to do the big buy right you know was
14:45
gonna Forrest Griffin super popular beat
14:48
Shogun right Quinton Jackson the marquee
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champion you know and quit I figured
14:53
Quinton Jackson will get over you know
14:54
real big and I mean Quinton Jackson
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really didn't get over that big to me
14:58
watching the show and then Forrest
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Griffin
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you know the show didn't help him as
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much as I expected either I mean he's
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still popular it's it's a big fight but
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you know no it's not gonna come close to
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I mean I know it's not gonna come close
15:12
to what I thought it was going to do and
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the last subject on the last thing to
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talk about on this subject is the
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strange judging in the in the main event
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it was Evan Tanner and in Kendall Grove
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and you know I watched the fight and I
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was like yeah you know Evan did a hell
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of a job there in the last round did a
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pretty good job and
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Kendall's gonna get this decision and
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they they go to the judges the first
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judge gives it to Tanner
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29-28 yeah well that that judge that was
15:43
Aboriginal that was a real problem and
15:45
especially when the other judge one of
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the judges was 30 26 the other way they
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both had their judges had 30 2016 27 and
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30 26 yeah I mean I had I had a
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different than all of them I had two 29
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28 but I will say that that upon
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thinking this was a man again I knew you
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I never what's the word I'm looking for
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when you when you're doing a fight and
16:06
judging a fight I mean you don't have
16:08
the benefit of thinking things through
16:10
so I mean I had round one easily Kendall
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Grove Brown to even more easily Kendall
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Grove maybe 10 8 but I didn't go with
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10a but in in in maybe I should have
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gone 10 8 cuz when it was over I had no
16:24
problem with a 30 26 score even though I
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had 29 28 but the point is is there was
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no question who won the fight and who
16:29
won two or three rounds but any score of
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29 28 30 28 30 26 30 27 any score like
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that those are fine scores you know even
16:40
though they're they're all different but
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29 28 there's no way it's unjustified
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it's not justifiable score because
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there's no way that Evan Tanner came
16:50
close to winning I'm presuming the guy
16:51
the judge gave him 1 in 3 3 again 3 I
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could see the case because I gave him 3
16:56
but you know like that you know that's
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that's a real questionable call and then
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I think that that side that Judge you
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know it's not one of the more famous
17:06
judges that's you know he needs to go to
17:10
judging school or something and I mean
17:13
we you know one of the things when you
17:15
have a lot of boxing judges that are
17:16
being transplanted over you know you're
17:19
going to have some issues and it's also
17:22
a very hard sport to judge it really is
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right that was um that one's not just if
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that's just an unjustifiable score and
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they they need to the Commission's I
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think really do need to educate the
17:39
judge you know I think they need em
17:40
symposium symposiums with the judges on
17:42
just different techniques and different
17:44
things would you know whether it's John
17:45
Makar
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here you know whomever you know who you
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should do it for UFC because um again
17:51
you know when I look at most you know
17:53
again we always look at the bad one and
17:55
out of all the decisions on this show
17:57
all every single judging score of every
17:59
single match was fine except for one
18:01
judge's decision on one match which the
18:04
right guy won anyway so so it was really
18:06
no harm but yeah that one but there's
18:09
everything there there and there could
18:10
have been but there was not but but that
18:12
one was absolutely you know undependable
18:15
you know that there there have been many
18:17
times that I've watched the show it's
18:19
actually usually happen in pride where I
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would be watching a show and and my
18:23
brother-in-law would be sitting there
18:25
and he would have a score that he earned
18:27
he would have a a score whatever for the
18:29
fighter or however he would do it and I
18:30
would think something opposite and it
18:33
would it would end up being what I
18:34
thought and it was always like I don't
18:37
necessarily agree with this but I
18:40
understand why the judges scored the
18:43
fight in this way like III can see it
18:45
from the Japanese perspective of why
18:47
they would say okay this guy won this
18:49
fight he gets this score this one I just
18:51
could not see it was right you know I
18:54
mean one of the things and a lot of
18:55
people get so upset with judging but
18:58
most of the time I mean like you know
19:00
we're talking about this and people are
19:01
always going all the judges are stupid
19:03
and isn't it most of the time I mean I
19:05
look at the judges and I go very
19:07
reasonable even if I disagree very
19:09
reasonable it's it's it's somewhat rare
19:12
actually when you have this and again it
19:14
was only one out of three judges in this
19:16
fight so the right guy still ended up
19:18
winning but you know this was one of
19:20
those examples of a score that just you
19:23
know yeah he blew it absolutely that's
19:25
and then there's no debate on this one
19:27
it's it's just a bad call just like you
19:29
know it's human error but you know if
19:31
two judges did it and can't enter won
19:33
the match it would really have been bad
19:35
real bad but it didn't happen and and
19:38
it's not like anyone after the fight is
19:40
going like wow that was a close fight
19:41
and it was a contra you know people are
19:44
going in and Oh Evan really won no one's
19:46
saying that so it was just one you know
19:48
one judge who hopefully will be talked
19:50
with and and sat down and just go ahead
19:53
give whatever whichever whatever round
19:55
it was one or two and and have him
19:57
explain and we'll move
19:59
and hopefully it'll be better next time
20:01
I'd like to do a plug here for the
20:04
website if you've not checked it out yet
20:06
if you click on any of the main articles
20:07
on the upper right hand side of the page
20:10
we now have a poll we've brought the
20:12
poll back and today's poll question was
20:15
which of these names do you expect to be
20:16
drafted and as of the time we're
20:19
recording this in number one in first
20:22
place right now is Batista thirty three
20:24
point three percent of the vote in
20:25
second place John Cena with twenty four
20:28
percent of the vote and I would actually
20:29
think that those are two the the top two
20:32
candidates right now number three is
20:34
Mike Adamle at eleven point six percent
20:36
that's scary but that's a joke votes I
20:38
think partially I cuz I only put his
20:40
name up there you know for first comedy
20:42
purposes exactly and then following that
20:45
we've got Orton Michaels Triple H edge
20:47
and Jim Ross Jim Ross is actually at the
20:48
bottom and I would I would actually
20:50
think Triple H should be at the bottom
20:52
but Jim Ross is down there so so
20:54
hopefully I hope I hope these people are
20:56
right cuz you know I mean the only thing
20:58
with the Cena are Batista double switch
21:00
is that it was the exact same thing they
21:01
did a couple of years ago if it wasn't
21:04
for that I would say you know that's and
21:05
I almost see them going like well we've
21:07
already done this and Cena has been on
21:09
Smackdown before and was a big star and
21:11
Smackdown and Batista was the big star
21:14
on Raw before but yet I mean I mean what
21:18
I look at the thing you know I'm gonna
21:20
scout it out like everyone's counting it
21:21
out that seems like the logical stuff to
21:23
me because you got to move some big guys
21:25
and everyone you know I mean there's the
21:27
feeling that Triple H won't move there's
21:28
a feeling that Shawn won't move
21:30
Undertaker's out of the question so
21:31
those are the guys shouldn't move
21:33
because of the way the storyline is so
21:36
those are your two guys Plus let's face
21:39
it you know Batista nege you know I
21:41
don't care if I ever see that match
21:42
again so we're not missing anything
21:43
there Triple H and Cena when you look at
21:46
it in that regard you know we all
21:48
figured that was like a WrestleMania
21:49
match or a SummerSlam match and now that
21:51
they're doing it on this show
21:51
maybe that's the indication that the
21:54
guys gonna get drafted so yeah I feel
21:57
the same way that those are the big
21:58
favorites but you know they're sitting
21:59
there and I mean one of the things
22:01
that's going on in that office in that
22:03
creative room is they're going you know
22:06
what they expect they expect Cena and
22:08
Batista so we're gonna swerve them by
22:10
you know whatever or maybe they're not
22:13
you know I mean it's like that that
22:14
whole game of foreign people but you
22:19
know it to me I mean the one that I
22:21
would move you know if I could do it if
22:23
I had the power will be Shawn Michaels
22:25
but you know again I don't know that he
22:26
wants to do that and he's got the power
22:28
to say no you know what I really think
22:30
they should do is I I don't know if it
22:32
needs to be a double switch or anything
22:34
like that but I think that somebody
22:36
needs to switch and take the title to
22:38
the other brand I think that you can get
22:40
a good one month's worth of TV at least
22:42
out of one brand having both titles and
22:46
I don't know exactly how you get it back
22:47
I guess it doesn't matter Rob Van Dam
22:52
won the the title from John Cena and
22:56
then you know was the ECW Champion and
22:58
he lost it
22:58
you know the edge and everything yeah
22:59
just just the rematch clause or whatever
23:01
yeah you just have you know like yeah
23:03
you could have Cena win the title on
23:05
Night of Champions so and which nobody
23:09
would expect if he's drafted and then
23:11
Cena maybe come back and lose to someone
23:13
you know another guy who might get
23:15
drafted and in fact to me would be a
23:19
favorite I didn't put him on the list is
23:21
JBL he's a CEO JBL was a real star on
23:25
Smackdown and on Raw he's just not
23:28
cutting it as a main event star yeah and
23:31
I think on Smackdown he might be able to
23:34
just because he would be such a boat he
23:37
can be the focal point of the show and
23:38
on Raw with so many stars he doesn't get
23:40
that chance so I you know and and I and
23:44
I know JBL actually is thinking the same
23:47
way you know and he's got pull too so he
23:50
may he may he may ask arm so I could see
23:54
him moving but again you know the
23:56
problem is like the idea of JBL on ECW
23:58
his most hated brand you have at ECW so
24:02
low on the totem pole I mean the bill I
24:04
did this draft is to is to shake up Raw
24:06
and SmackDown they don't really care
24:08
about ECW and they really can't afford
24:10
to care that much about ECW because
24:12
Smackdown they they can't let Smackdown
24:14
die when it goes to my network and Raw
24:16
you know I mean they live and die on the
24:18
raw ratings and they can't be giving
24:19
away a million dollars a week to keep it
24:21
you know to keep the viewership of so
24:23
you've got to get some new matches but I
24:26
mean the key doll
24:26
you know we've got a we've gotta develop
24:30
new stars you've got a you know recruit
24:32
new stars and that's not happening and
24:35
this draft is a stopgap measure it's not
24:37
the answer but again I think that
24:40
there's more I don't know if there's
24:42
more interest in this draft in any other
24:43
year but I think there's more pressure
24:44
on this draft in either year because the
24:46
other years I don't feel that they
24:47
needed anything
24:49
oh they needed this year but this year
24:50
we're I mean this year we know whether
24:51
we need something to shake things up
24:53
because the business is in the doldrums
24:55
right now you know what's fascinating is
24:57
that after all these years it's still
24:59
such a big deal what that raw rating is
25:01
and nobody cares about the Smackdown
25:03
rating I mean it's never a topic
25:05
conversation I bet that most people
25:07
listening to this right now if you ask
25:08
them what does Smackdown do in the
25:10
ratings this week they'd have no idea
25:12
you know what I don't even know because
25:14
because some places that I usually go to
25:16
get the overnight neither of them
25:18
there's this two different place I go to
25:19
get in neither of them even had it and
25:21
I'll tell you what the other thing is
25:22
when they move to my network I mean
25:25
we'll eventually get EV the rating but I
25:26
think that it's going to be a lot harder
25:27
to get that Smackdown rating because
25:29
nobody charts my network anywhere Nia so
25:31
I mean it'll be there you know I mean
25:33
eventually the number will always come
25:35
out because it'll be in the top 20
25:36
sports shows that you know that comes
25:38
out ten days you know like ten days two
25:40
weeks later III don't know I'm sure
25:43
we'll get it
25:44
hopefully the some some of these places
25:46
will start giving my network a little
25:48
bit of coverage just because at least
25:49
we'll have one sort of hit show unless
25:52
you know this thing moves down there and
25:54
starts doing one Six's that would be
25:56
really scary I'm actually very excited
25:59
about tomorrow's show just because of
26:00
not only the draft but the million
26:02
dollar giveaway I just think those two
26:04
together you're just asking for like a
26:06
total train wreck show so by the way um
26:13
I had said on to observer alive that we
26:15
couldn't scoop blares at the show oh
26:17
just so uh which is among different
26:20
things but yeah flare flares at the show
26:22
and I guess that you know if he's if
26:25
he's there two weeks in a row then again
26:27
soon you know he's gonna be in a story
26:29
and he's gonna be on TV regularly I
26:31
don't know that but you know I I pretty
26:34
much knew or I didn't know but I figured
26:36
he would be back around this time just
26:37
because they're pushing is his new
26:39
DVD yeah we were supposed to come in
26:41
with the DVD should be out was giving
26:44
the obstacle I know the day after he was
26:46
on Raw they were plugging it like crazy
26:47
on Dumbo w/e calm so in a moment now
26:50
okay so it's almost be coming out real
26:52
soon yeah I mean I knew that he was
26:53
coming back for the DVD I just hope they
26:56
have a good storyline for him it was
26:57
kind of disappointing I hope they have a
26:58
good storyline is not involved physical
27:00
action yeah I mean you know it's really
27:03
tough it's really tough to of what to do
27:06
with them because you're not gonna be a
27:08
TV announcer he's not gonna be a manager
27:10
he's not gonna be a general manager I
27:12
don't think I guess it's possible he
27:13
could be but I don't know that he would
27:15
be great and general manager you know
27:17
they they did it before with the
27:18
co-owner deal he might be he might be
27:20
alright with it and yeah he's not gonna
27:24
wrestle so you know he's got a promo he
27:28
can just go out there and do mean by god
27:30
Jean you know and like like he did in
27:32
WCW for all that time it was always good
27:33
for a nice quarter hour but it's got to
27:36
build to something and you got it's got
27:37
to go somewhere any other differences is
27:39
that you know double w/e their schedule
27:41
they're scared to let him talk even
27:42
though when he talks when they let him
27:44
talk to hit the homerun it's ridiculous
27:47
but I mean I I don't think it needs
27:49
necessarily be like a flat-out straight
27:51
manager but I do think that it would be
27:54
a fun straight line every now and then
27:56
where he's kind of he's got a surrogate
27:58
wrestler like like the whole angle is
28:00
with Ric Flair but in the end he's just
28:02
in somebody's corner and they fight the
28:04
match for him yeah I mean there's ways
28:08
there's there's ways to do that like
28:12
Cornell where Cornette cups everybody's
28:13
promos on impact yeah cuts everybody's
28:16
promos he does everything and then they
28:18
just actually do the match for him I
28:19
don't know I don't know Rick would be
28:23
good in that role of putting other
28:24
people's promos I think Rick can only
28:26
cut his own promos unlike Cornett who
28:27
yeah he's hilarious when he goes out
28:30
there and does AJ's promo for him and
28:32
other people's promos for them kick or
28:34
Ted could just actually just be doing
28:36
everyone's promos on impact he should he
28:39
he he started last week and then Hector
28:41
Hector Guerrero jumped in and I thought
28:44
oh yeah that's not what I expected there
28:46
have we talked about impact yet I
28:50
thought impact and and I I maybe go
28:53
over the edge here but I thought this
28:55
was maybe the best impact in years I
28:57
like to perform more than this week oh I
29:00
strongly disagree I mean last week's
29:02
show was not bad but I thought this
29:03
week's show was just fantastic angle
29:09
wise this week was better than we
29:10
perform it the week before with that
29:11
Sabin and Shelley joy and Yoshi no man
29:14
that was a very good man they had and
29:16
they had a Jo and Kazarian which was a
29:17
little too short but I thought that that
29:18
that show I thought I just enjoyed that
29:20
show a lot this week story line was I
29:23
mean the the Frank Trigg need business
29:26
way they did that finish that was
29:28
awesome absolutely tremendous I loved I
29:30
loved that and so yeah and that aspect
29:33
of it was good but I didn't see say been
29:35
Shelley against Tyson Dukes and Lars was
29:38
a very good match but I didn't and then
29:40
I guess the there was another match that
29:42
was that was real good the last match
29:44
with was Christian AJ and team 3d was
29:47
good you know building up to that I
29:48
think that was the one there's so much
29:51
it is hard to remember I remember the
29:53
the machine guns match was not as good
29:55
as week before but I thought it was
29:56
pretty good I thought that the I really
30:00
liked I loved team 3ds promo I thought
30:03
that was one of the best promos d-von is
30:04
cut in his whole life
30:05
and I thought is just like a main event
30:08
match I thought they did a really really
30:09
good job and I liked this stuff with
30:12
Kong I liked the good cos love he's very
30:20
wacky I just thought overall I mean it
30:22
was it's so amazing to watch that show I
30:24
mean we've talked before about how this
30:26
this baffles me that they have so many
30:28
months worked out in advance unlike w/e
30:31
like months and months in advance oh
30:33
they are so far I'll tell you something
30:34
I don't think there's so far in advance
30:36
and they got I think they've got a lot
30:40
of good stuff but when I think that you
30:42
know sometimes it doesn't materialize or
30:43
sometimes things get in the way or well
30:45
here's here's my issue with that I think
30:48
that it's a I think it's a big benefit
30:50
to to work backwards from a set date or
30:53
whatever like you you get a Wrestlemania
30:54
program and you work back from there
30:56
it's how it's always been done but I
30:58
think that in especially now that I've
31:00
seen this in TNA I think that it can be
31:03
bad news when for example
31:06
you you hit on something like angle and
31:09
Joe and it's so clearly successful but
31:12
because you've got so much stuff worked
31:14
out and so much stuff that you have
31:16
planned to do you you just go back to
31:18
whatever the plan was even if it's
31:20
something that clearly is not what's
31:23
working at this moment you don't mean
31:24
that's that's different I mean cuz cuz
31:26
what you're talking about
31:27
they have like main events planned okay
31:29
okay way down way down the line and very
31:32
very well-organized and things like that
31:34
source the main stuff but the
31:35
rank-and-file stuff they're still doing
31:37
that week to week the TVs are still
31:38
being you know written you know you know
31:41
to get to get stuff in and everything
31:42
and and I like long stuff I think one of
31:44
the things was to build up to the last
31:46
show is that you had like the Eric Young
31:48
stuff which I just thought didn't work
31:50
at all and now for whatever reason
31:52
building up Houston they don't got any
31:55
of these great Memphis ideas you know
31:57
we're just gonna do a show in Houston
31:58
we're gonna build up Booker T and Joe
32:00
and it's you know and do the Nash stuff
32:04
with Joe and and you know for long term
32:06
and and their mind is more on their
32:10
minds more on wrestling angles right now
32:11
and less on we're going to Memphis let's
32:14
do some cute Elvis stuff okay so I think
32:16
that's one of the reasons why it seems
32:18
better plus you've got the X Cup and the
32:20
X Cup is clearly a you know wrestling
32:23
matches and you're gonna have that on
32:24
the TVs the TV tomorrow that they tape
32:27
tomorrow you know you're gonna have do I
32:28
and yoshino against old smoker Andre
32:30
book and arrow and you know maybe you
32:32
know III I'm really curious about that
32:34
because um just about the fans how
32:37
they're gonna react because you know if
32:38
that match took place on a double w e TV
32:40
taping it would just like die a brutal
32:42
death no matter how good the match was
32:43
and I think the TNA fans Mike my guess
32:47
is the TNA fans even though they don't
32:48
really know and either for although they
32:49
seemed way in yoshino you know twice now
32:52
you know once on on TV now such an
32:54
explosion match that that didn't air on
32:57
impact obviously but I think that that I
33:01
think that the fans you know in TNA are
33:04
gonna be pretty hot and the privateer
33:06
really will work to match a fun match so
33:08
I'm looking you know I'm looking for
33:09
that I think the Monday you know the
33:10
Monday show looks good but yeah that I I
33:13
will say that the one spot on on
33:17
Thursday was when AJ was beatin up on
33:19
what if
33:20
to be curved and then he turned around
33:21
and it was trig I just thought you know
33:23
and I mean I know and that was Rousseau
33:25
yes you know I you know and then again
33:28
you know I mean off the good things in
33:29
prevent that when Rousseau deserves
33:30
when rusev deserves praise I'll give
33:32
them to him and he deserved praise that
33:34
was that was a real clever deal and and
33:37
it worked and then it's built to them
33:38
and it wasn't just a swerve for the sake
33:40
of a swerve because it felt real well to
33:42
what they did at the end of the show
33:43
yeah yeah I was more talking about ok
33:47
you you you've got this Joe Angle thing
33:49
and then you go right into this tag-team
33:50
tournament which they had to have
33:52
planned in advance and that just I mean
33:54
even on paper that looks like a horrible
33:56
idea because that was that was result of
34:00
Tomko being punished and they have been
34:02
I'm not sure but that would that would
34:05
mean like an entire month
34:06
I guess the month would have been pushed
34:07
back then I think they they have just no
34:11
I mean like they've got they've got the
34:13
main event planned on every pay-per-view
34:16
through September I know ok maybe
34:20
through October maybe even past October
34:22
but through step through through
34:23
September for sure probably through
34:24
October but it's not like they had the
34:26
under cards you know all the way booked
34:28
you know the other cards just come and
34:30
they you know a lot of you know a lot of
34:32
the times you know they had that
34:33
undercard idea for for like the next
34:37
show and you know during the the weeks I
34:41
mean they'll change that undercard up
34:42
completely based on you know just
34:44
different things and different ideas
34:46
that they have that just don't come
34:48
forth you know because just some of
34:50
their ideas get wacky and they won't
34:52
work but um I mean that's that's you
34:55
know they I don't I don't think they
34:56
have everything booked to wear you know
34:59
yeah you know but yeah that that show
35:00
where they had a tag team tournament I
35:02
thought that that made for a bad paper
35:05
made for a bad month yeah
35:07
now the the house shows of late we have
35:12
gotten our first negative reports about
35:14
how shells very very rare what has
35:18
happened as far as I mean it used to be
35:22
I mean if they made some sort of change
35:23
in the way that they're promoting house
35:24
shows because apparently for some of
35:26
these recent shells or hasn't been a
35:27
card since about two days before the
35:29
show and then none of the matches on
35:31
that card actually take place on this
35:33
happened
35:33
last night's show in Danville how you
35:36
know I don't have an answer to that but
35:38
I hopefully will have an answer for
35:40
tomorrow night ask when we do our show
35:42
after raw because I'm I'm trying to
35:44
check on what that was all about I think
35:46
that you know there is a there is a
35:48
mentality there right now to you know go
35:53
with the flow so to speak you know and I
35:57
don't know if it's good you know I mean
36:00
w/e does it so you know as WWE does you
36:04
know every teen a copy so to speak
36:06
traditionally you know like when people
36:10
in you know the old days or when you're
36:12
watching MMA you know when they
36:15
advertise a card you know you want to
36:16
see that card and in wrestling it's kind
36:20
of like this idea that it's this variety
36:22
show you see the stars and you come in
36:24
to see the stars come to your town and
36:25
it really doesn't matter what the
36:27
matches are and maybe if it doesn't cuz
36:31
you only come into town once a year and
36:32
people aren't coming they're really not
36:34
coming to see matches they're coming to
36:35
you know they're coming to get Kurt
36:37
Angle's or autograph get your picture
36:38
taken with the guys you know and all
36:40
that stuff that the TNA does which
36:41
somebody doesn't do nice friendly
36:43
atmosphere you know and the guys work
36:45
very very hard and if they give you a
36:46
good show so maybe they don't feel so
36:49
incumbent upon you know the mattress but
36:51
to me you know what if you I don't see
36:56
any reason why you don't just advertise
36:59
matches and deliver the matches
37:02
you know dopa w/e does that because you
37:05
know they change angles every week they
37:07
can't keep stuff straight if they could
37:08
you know TNA they kind of know what
37:10
they're doing so I don't you know unless
37:13
it's a turn that happens at the blue and
37:15
then you change things but I don't see
37:17
any reason why you know there's never a
37:19
reason to false advertise in my mind I
37:21
think another thing also I remember when
37:23
I was growing up and I would go to these
37:24
shows I mean I would remember and
37:26
obviously it was a different time but I
37:28
remember like I was at a show once and
37:30
they announced that coming to the
37:32
Seattle Key Arena at the next show is
37:35
Hulk Hogan and people literally jumped
37:38
out of their seats and began running
37:40
towards the ticket office okay we don't
37:44
we don't but I think that the point is
37:45
it like there are two
37:47
types of fans I think that there's the
37:49
type of fan that it that wants to go to
37:51
the show to see the stars or or their
37:54
favorite wrestler or whoever might be
37:56
Kurt Angle's coming to town and then I
37:58
think there's the other group of fans
37:59
that they're gonna actually look at the
38:01
card and they're gonna go WOW Kurt Angle
38:04
versus Shawn Michaels for example is
38:06
going to be on this card I really want
38:07
to see that match and to me I think that
38:10
it's important that you you you kind of
38:12
promote for both of those people I don't
38:15
think there's that many of those people
38:16
that you just mentioned any more there
38:19
certainly would want to see a specific
38:21
match yeah I don't think that people
38:24
want to see especially in a house show
38:26
because I think it's almost because
38:27
they're gonna spend and play with house
38:28
doesn't count anyway I I don't know I
38:30
think it would be like that for double
38:32
w/e but I think they I think for a TNA
38:36
fan I think you may be right because a
38:38
TNA fan is gonna be more of a wrestling
38:41
fan and if you advertise certainly yes I
38:43
know an angle is going to be on a house
38:45
show if you know I I think that you
38:49
really should but you know what like I
38:51
said you know stood over to me as well
38:53
there's never a reason to false
38:55
advertise unless you have a storyline
38:57
change and and you know like would would
39:00
double w/e because they don't book in
39:02
advance and they they change things
39:03
which forces something because it would
39:06
make no sense doing it the way
39:07
advertised okay I can get that but with
39:09
TNA they would you know they you know
39:10
again with the fact that they really do
39:12
plan well in advance and when guys are
39:14
going to turn I mean like they basically
39:16
know if a guy's going to turn and the
39:18
date he's going to turn you know weeks
39:19
and weeks and weeks out so there's in my
39:22
mind with TNA they should they should be
39:25
able to advertise the matches in the
39:27
town and deliver the matches as
39:29
advertised but you know obviously they
39:33
right now are going with the mentality
39:36
that if we you know we're bringing the
39:37
Stars we'll give the people a nice show
39:39
and you know the big thing is the fan
39:41
friendly atmosphere and you know a
39:42
buttface it that's you know that the
39:45
people who go to TNA house shows
39:46
generally speaking they do like it but
39:49
yeah if you fall but there's again false
39:51
advertising you're asking people to not
39:52
like it and you don't you don't need
39:54
that you don't need you don't need any
39:55
negativity let's go to some of the
39:58
questions I have a bunch of them here I
40:00
know you have some as well
40:01
so I will start this person wants to
40:04
know what was he process and putting
40:06
together an issue of the observer back
40:07
when you wrote on a typewriter did you
40:10
hand write rough drafts and take notes
40:12
and then type up the whole thing the
40:13
night before going to press he just says
40:15
he can't imagine typing up an issue
40:17
every week front to back before the age
40:19
of computers I honest when I look back I
40:24
have absolutely no idea how I ever did
40:28
what I did I could never do it again
40:33
it's just a different time you know it's
40:35
like when you have no choice you just do
40:37
it that way I mean I could never I could
40:40
never do it again I would I would kill
40:41
myself before doing you know what I did
40:43
in the eighties I just did yeah I just
40:48
typed through front to back Wow and I
40:51
put my little correcto tape in there if
40:53
I had a typo I would write it or you
40:55
know you look at those old observers
40:57
this little handwritten
40:58
edits and things like that and you know
41:01
the little handwriting at the ends and
41:03
you know it's it's a very different
41:05
there very different thing very
41:07
different era
41:08
I you know up until 1999 I you know I
41:15
did the observer I would just sit down
41:17
and do the observer in the last two days
41:18
and I would gather information for a
41:20
couple days and then I would write you
41:21
know generally Sunday Monday Tuesday I
41:23
wouldn't do any writing and then when I
41:25
started observer live on yata I realized
41:28
that it would be impossible I needed to
41:30
get a head start so that's when I
41:31
started this thing where I would work
41:33
every you know every day and and and and
41:36
draw it and try to do that now the
41:37
problem with that of course is that you
41:40
know things change things change so fast
41:41
and I I hated that when you wrote
41:43
something and then like three days later
41:45
you just have to throw the whole thing
41:46
out cuz everything changed in the issue
41:49
that's out right now you know and I you
41:51
know again this is this is one of the
41:53
great wonders of finishing at 5:00 a.m.
41:55
and not realizing is I had a thing about
41:58
you know and isn't him amazing about a
42:00
show in Charlotte on pay-per-view and in
42:03
the same section I mentioned that that
42:04
show had been the pay-per-view had been
42:06
cancelled you know and I didn't realize
42:07
that you know I had written several days
42:09
earlier about it because let's face it
42:11
that showing that anime show in
42:13
Charlotte on pay-per-view
42:14
was gonna die was not really you know
42:17
high on my list of things which actually
42:18
was was supposed to have been last night
42:20
as a matter of fact yeah so wait a show
42:23
was gonna would have died they were the
42:25
big big Bobcats arena - Bobcat arena
42:27
oh boy yeah mm eh I'll tell you what you
42:30
know there are more just absolutely I
42:35
don't know more I don't like you some
42:37
artwork mark but but there are some
42:39
absolutely clueless MMA promoters MMA
42:43
promoting is so hard
42:44
I mean wrestling pro wrestling cronies
42:46
hard to any kind of promoting start but
42:48
MMA promoting is hard in people I mean
42:50
they'll go in there and notebook these
42:52
20,000 seat buildings thinking we're
42:54
gonna do an MMA show and you know we're
42:56
gonna get Jeff Monson who was once in
42:58
UFC and it's like you know you know here
43:00
they only had like two tickets ultimate
43:01
freaking Bobcat arena and you know that
43:03
Atlantis show had no ticket sold a
43:05
couple of weeks ago at Phillips and you
43:08
know yeah you it is not easy selling
43:12
tickets to to MMA unless you know you've
43:15
got yes are you've got the local tie-in
43:18
or you know obviously if you're UFC you
43:20
can do it okay but you know okay go
43:23
ahead I was gonna say let's not alter
43:25
name what do you have oh okay look at
43:28
this from Dave Taylor hopefully not that
43:33
deep
43:34
really I was on imdb.com bananas looking
43:37
at balls Mahoney's biography and under
43:38
the trivia section orders of April 1st
43:40
April 2001 he's banned from the state of
43:43
Maryland can you shed some light on why
43:44
is I don't know that he still is I and I
43:46
could be wrong and I'm and I'm expecting
43:48
that if I am wrong on this someone will
43:49
will correct it but as I remember things
43:52
he bladed in a mansion Maryland or bled
43:57
or something like that and in Maryland
43:59
they're very strict on they don't want
44:00
wrestlers bleeding and I think that I
44:02
believe that that's why he got suspended
44:04
but I could be wrong it's not up for
44:06
sure and if it's wrong then somebody
44:09
email me correct me and we'll talk about
44:11
tomorrow night after raw I would guess
44:14
that if he were suspended for bleeding
44:16
then as soon as he got under contracted
44:19
Bo w/e he probably could wrestle in
44:22
Maryland again would be my guess oh yeah
44:24
now they don't suspend people for life
44:27
but yeah he was he was spent
44:28
for a while there mike Jenkinson asks
44:31
it's a follow-up to the women's only
44:33
Ultimate Fighter a question that we
44:34
talked about a couple of days ago one of
44:36
the complaints was not enough good
44:38
women's fighter soon all women's
44:40
Ultimate Fighter and he knows that this
44:42
year the two finalists one of them was
44:45
zero and zero as an MMA fighter and they
44:48
don't seem concerned about having good
44:49
track records with their fighters an
44:51
Ultimate Fighter at this point so he
44:52
thinks that it would possible to round
44:54
up 16 female fighters into a show well
44:57
it did something like I know fight girls
44:59
on oxygen network
45:00
I don't think it's right here that my
45:01
girls show yeah I don't think that Dana
45:03
White wants to go in the direction of
45:04
women fighting so it's not really it's
45:07
not really an issue but I mean I still
45:11
do think six and six men and women is
45:13
the best just the best of all world oh I
45:21
like you know like I said III emailed
45:23
Dana White and and and have spoken to
45:26
Dana White after what was it maybe
45:28
season four nobody was there after
45:30
season four where I said like look we
45:32
need something new and and that was my
45:35
suggestion and you know you know it's
45:36
this company think we work we are not
45:38
going to do women fighting okay so think
45:40
something else i'm also i mean now my
45:43
brain is really working what if you
45:45
could find like a husband and ex-wife
45:50
MMA fighters they could be the coaches
45:52
like the husband would have the six guys
45:54
and his ex-wife would have the sleep yes
46:00
did she beat yeah I don't think they
46:04
want that CD right there that would be a
46:06
would it would make for good it would
46:07
make for a good season though these are
46:09
the things I think about yeah
46:11
hey hear you're thinking in the right
46:12
well you know you're like me you know
46:13
like like oh I I think of I think of
46:17
ratings and business you know what I
46:18
mean people get mad at me for that but
46:19
this is true that's because because
46:21
ultimately you got to have you got to
46:22
have business but you know they're those
46:26
guys that are running you know they're
46:28
they're you know they they draw the line
46:30
and obviously that and I know what
46:32
sometimes I think it is a sport you know
46:35
you can't get carried away we can't do
46:36
it can't be pro wrestling you know it's
46:38
like it's like you know everyone got mad
46:39
at the Diaz and Nunes
46:41
and to me I liked it okay but I will be
46:44
the first one to say that it can't be
46:46
you know that kind of stuff is only good
46:48
once a year you can be a lesser Michelle
46:50
if you do it every show it's a desire
46:52
you know then it this becomes
46:53
pro-wrestling yeah you know I mean
46:55
everyone's everyone's complained about
46:56
it but in that in that the reality is is
46:59
that there's more interesting views and
47:01
news by far by far than there would have
47:03
been had that not happened but you know
47:06
if you do if you keep doing it you know
47:09
people are just gonna be really turned
47:10
off by your product oh by the way I have
47:12
to say this I know that that I have no
47:14
power in these matters but something
47:16
needs to be done about putting that
47:17
fight in July it cannot be done
47:20
this is horrible idea it's not gonna be
47:22
enjoy okay no no I said it's not it's
47:25
not enjoy okay well that's good then
47:27
yeah because wasn't it the rumor they
47:28
might move it to that show yeah I mean
47:31
this morning I hear this morning I heard
47:32
the rumor and I and I and I know I'm Sam
47:34
Kaplan I don't I didn't read what he
47:36
reported unfortunately which I should
47:38
have done but I did I did talk to Ali
47:40
Dexy first thing and I just go you know
47:42
and I and I asked him you know is is you
47:44
know what's going on and as of right now
47:46
just so just so people know and you know
47:50
I'll have a story on Yahoo tomorrow
47:51
about this but you know if things change
47:53
as of right now they do not have a venue
47:56
there are four cities under
47:58
consideration for the venue Nunes and
48:00
Diaz is not going to be on that card
48:03
they're looking at September or October
48:06
I would think October CBS is most likely
48:09
for that fight but that's not in Hawaii
48:11
I hope you that I don't know but that
48:15
would be my call and you know for
48:18
whatever that's worth
48:19
I just think that in in order for this
48:21
to be the biggest that it can be it must
48:24
it must have won CBS show building it up
48:28
I just don't think you can throw this on
48:32
this July show for them to show this
48:33
angle over and over again and say we're
48:35
coming back in October and have the two
48:36
guys there and say we're going to fight
48:38
it not go absolutely that is tremendous
48:41
and I don't expect that to happen and
48:43
you know one of the problems and this
48:44
actually bothers me because you know
48:48
again coming from the people who like
48:51
you know who taught me wrestling there
48:55
were very
48:55
organized people and they had to be here
48:57
to say yeah because of the nature of
48:59
what the business was in those days
49:00
where you know yeah you know you knew
49:02
your dates and you had to book ahead
49:04
because if he didn't book ahead you know
49:06
your guy that if he wasn't hooked on
49:08
your Big Show he would take a booking on
49:10
somebody else's Big Show you know what
49:12
I'm saying so so the nature of that
49:14
business is you know you had the things
49:16
have things planned out in advance and
49:18
to me
49:20
MMA today it's imperative especially for
49:24
a smaller group for like bleep because
49:25
of because of the CBI stuff to me the
49:29
problem is is undulate 26 I do not know
49:32
that they will know that October take
49:34
just like on this May 31st they did not
49:36
say we're coming back to I 26th which
49:38
quite frankly should have had their
49:39
ducks in a row and just going movie back
49:40
to July 26th and we will have this match
49:42
in this match in this match on July 26
49:44
and to me when they have that July 26
49:47
show they should go in there and they
49:49
should during the breaks interview you
49:51
know whomever it is whether it's gina
49:52
carano or Kimbo and go Kimbo is gonna
49:54
fight blah blah blah
49:55
gina cross gonna fight blah blah blah
49:57
here's Diaz and Nunes we're gonna show
49:58
this then we're gonna have a taped
50:00
interview with Nick Diaz because I don't
50:02
want them going why because I knew no
50:04
you don't you've never seen Nick Diaz go
50:07
live you don't want a more you maybe KJ
50:09
Noons you can go live but the point is
50:11
is you have all that and go like yes
50:12
next show we're gonna have these matches
50:15
and and then you get you know then you
50:18
have months of you know you have to
50:20
think simmering and then you really push
50:21
it hard obviously the last two weeks on
50:23
CBS or last month on CBS however they
50:25
want to do it and that's how I would do
50:27
it I I just don't know that it'll be
50:29
done that way but um yeah Brian that
50:31
that's absolutely what should be done
50:34
and and also on the September Showtime
50:36
show you know figuring the next show the
50:41
September Showtime show I think that you
50:42
promote the hell out of the CBS show
50:44
even though you know Showtime viewership
50:45
is relatively low compared to CBS not
50:48
even relatively it's you know less than
50:50
2010 but um but still you know you just
50:53
I think that you just want to do it the
50:54
right way anyway yeah I mean even if
50:56
they don't have an exact date I think
50:58
that this this footage it just needs to
51:00
be put out before a larger audience
51:02
because I just don't think I mean it
51:05
sounds like a big fight to all of us who
51:07
have seen it but I think that there's
51:09
so many people that haven't seen it that
51:10
if you just put KJ Noons and Nick Diaz
51:12
on CBS it wouldn't make a difference in
51:14
the ratings at all oh no of course not
51:18
yeah no nothing will no it's everything
51:20
type yeah no no no no yeah yeah okay all
51:25
right I'll ask question here from
51:29
Eduardo Martinez it says looking back in
51:32
hindsight how much do you think a Chacon
51:34
was a factor in changing all japan women
51:35
a fan base to the audience they had in
51:37
the 90s and what your thoughts on Kyoko
51:39
Inouye worked in the 90s Coco Inouye was
51:42
you know I mean I you know that that was
51:45
a great great period in wrestling that
51:47
all Japan women early 90s period and she
51:49
was one of the top ones awesome many
51:52
many great matches with her you know
51:54
very charismatic too bad on that you
51:57
know doesn't look like will ever happen
51:58
it'll be like that again and for those
52:00
you missed it it's you know it's too bad
52:03
I you know there's so many things that
52:05
were so wonderful about this business
52:06
I'm not saying you know I mean as far as
52:08
product wise and and they're not there
52:10
now it's unfortunate logic on huge part
52:12
of the huge shoots part of the change in
52:15
the audience when I would go to the
52:17
matches in the 80s all Japan women it
52:19
was almost exclusively women fans and
52:23
young women fans and I remember you know
52:25
in Japan talking to the guys going like
52:27
you know I mean cuz they were they were
52:28
great workers and and it was kind of
52:30
like you're gonna go to the women's
52:31
matches don't you know that that's for
52:33
girls you know it's kind of like it's
52:34
kind of like there's some funny kids
52:36
cartoon and you're an adult and you
52:37
think it's really funny and it's like
52:39
hey don't you know that you know you're
52:40
not supposed to be watching Spongebob or
52:42
something you know and that's kind of
52:43
how it was but you know me being in
52:45
stupid American I just wanted to see
52:47
good wrestling so it didn't really faze
52:48
me you know that wasn't supposed to go
52:51
but when ahsha Kong was there you know
52:53
the audience was half guys and they were
52:54
all hardcore wrestling fans and yeah and
52:57
she was you know her and Toyota and a
53:00
lot of them were a big part of it okay I
53:02
wonder if like you know there could ever
53:04
be a generation of girls growing up
53:07
today that would get into the Gina
53:09
Carano 's and such and you could you
53:11
could almost have a low-level mania of
53:13
that sort with with women's fighting you
53:18
got to remember that that the reason it
53:20
was so big was because it was on now
53:23
TV every week for 90 minutes yeah and
53:26
you know was doing like you know giant
53:29
ratings and that's what it was an end
53:30
Gina can't be that big junior Karl can
53:34
be big to a degree but but you know a
53:37
culturally he just plus we've got a
53:39
different type of type of culture that
53:40
they do you know they're just you know
53:42
like our women fans don't really support
53:45
women's sports that's why women
53:47
professional sports you know WNBA really
53:49
it's really not that big it's just kind
53:52
of propped up by the NBA and and women's
53:54
soccer
53:54
you know they had tons of people put
53:56
tons of money into it after the you know
53:58
the women's team did so well in you know
54:01
an international competition but the
54:02
league itself you know it just never
54:04
really it never really clicked and they
54:06
had you know and obviously the members
54:08
of that team or big celebrities like Mia
54:09
Hamm and some of the other ones but our
54:13
culture you know women don't grow up to
54:17
support women's sports and in Japan they
54:19
did a lot more so it's just again a lot
54:22
of that that is just cultural
54:23
differences hoto here wants to know do
54:26
you think that cro cop would have been
54:27
more successful in UFC at 205 or when
54:30
the cage and drug testing have killed
54:31
him no matter what
54:35
well the drug testing actually probably
54:37
one of the reasons he was smaller going
54:38
to UFC anyway that's I think the level
54:43
of competition was a lot of it he got a
54:48
little bit unlucky I mean he just wasn't
54:50
you know Gonzaga just had a really good
54:53
night and crow Cup wasn't used to the
54:56
elbows and got knocked silly and then
54:58
with Congo I mean he broke his rib so
55:01
you know you're not going to look good
55:03
in that situation and maybe you know
55:09
maybe he was older you know maybe it's
55:11
the drug testing what he done better
55:13
2:05 you know in theory I would say yes
55:17
but but you don't you don't know what
55:19
the cut will do he's not a wrestler you
55:21
know wrestlers can go do that cut and
55:23
they're used to it he's someone who
55:25
never cut in his life he may come in at
55:27
205 and just feel weakened you know I
55:29
mean like when people would ask him and
55:31
you know when he fought 215 220 you know
55:34
and a lot of tool fibers are bigger guys
55:36
than he is
55:37
in UFC a lot of them but when they would
55:39
ask him you know he think about cutting
55:40
a 205 for UFC he would just go out I
55:42
can't get down that well you know even
55:43
though he would get down at 215 you know
55:46
because he just wasn't used to that kind
55:48
of cut so hmm it's an interesting
55:50
question I don't really have a good
55:51
answer I I think the drug testing really
55:53
was the biggest thing I just think that
55:56
for somebody that fought their entire
55:58
career in a culture where they didn't
56:00
drug test you and and then coming into
56:03
into this country and having to not only
56:06
fight natural but probably do a lot of
56:09
your training naturally as well I mean
56:11
it's it's I mean it's got to be a big a
56:13
big difference and really everything
56:15
about here you know it's been everyone
56:20
knew that it was gonna happen
56:21
I mean fighters all talked about it it's
56:23
like what I said like you know Japanese
56:26
and American MMA you know they're very
56:30
very different you know unregulated and
56:32
regulated MMA or - I don't think
56:34
different sports but they're very very
56:36
different and and you know comparing
56:38
what guys do in some places with other
56:40
and plus the culture and what the people
56:42
want and the chances different people
56:45
will take because they don't they're not
56:46
afraid of losing you know because
56:48
they'll be fine if they lose but they
56:49
perform well whereas in the u.s. you
56:51
know man you got to win you know us
56:53
broke up lost twice in Japan if you lost
56:55
twice wouldn't matter
56:56
yeah broke up a you know I mean it would
56:59
hurt him a little bit but but in the
57:01
states I mean you know by the time you
57:02
get that second loss you know people
57:04
really even write them off
57:06
he losses a word yeah ma'am jingle him
57:09
okay from Ross arrest Ross in the MMA is
57:19
the M&A; industry bigger than the pro
57:20
wrestling industry and will there ever
57:22
be a hot wrestling here like the late
57:24
90s doesn't look like there will be now
57:28
but you know I mean I've been through
57:30
enough ups and downs and wrestling that
57:32
if the right guy at the right time
57:34
clicks you know he can be gigantic don't
57:37
know who will be but if he walks in and
57:40
and you know but I mean overall overall
57:43
Pro wrestling's much bigger than MMA you
57:45
know I mean even in in candidates it's
57:48
fairly close but you know
57:50
States it still there's just you know
57:52
like yeah males 18 to 34 and it may may
57:56
very well be bigger but the what's
58:01
what's orderly safe but you know kids
58:02
and everything there's that audience
58:04
teenagers and it may still not big so
58:05
and dollar-wise you know double w is
58:10
twice the dollar company you know more
58:13
than double what the UFC is I mean you
58:16
know UFC thinks they're gonna be much
58:17
bigger you know they think they'll be
58:18
way bigger than W e within a couple of
58:20
years and maybe they will be but today
58:22
the only thing MMA has got on him is the
58:24
the pay-per-view
58:25
and as far as wrestling I mean if you
58:27
look back at the 92 93 period double
58:30
double e and all the problems they had
58:32
and WCW was was you know Harley lighting
58:35
the world on fire I don't think anybody
58:37
during that period would say man five
58:39
years from now this thing's gonna be you
58:41
know there's going to be a Monday Night
58:43
war big matches head-to-head wel become
58:46
a billion dollar corporation I mean
58:51
started never knew we could have died
58:53
well okay that's like this it was
58:57
started like any what in 95 but but when
58:59
the Monday Night war started the first
59:00
year I nobody saw this big boom coming
59:04
either everybody thought they were
59:05
cannibalizing each other and splitting
59:07
an audience it really wasn't until WCW
59:11
really took off and when WCW took off
59:14
they got a lot of older fans back
59:16
because they you know used Hogan and
59:18
Piper and and people like that and WWF
59:21
at the time was drawing a younger
59:25
audience and they had that great year in
59:27
97 that wasn't was well actually did did
59:30
turn out to be a profitable year but
59:32
that really great creative year in 97
59:34
and then you know that was Russo errata
59:36
a lot of it was Russo and then you know
59:38
at that time then you got the rock and
59:41
Austin really starting to hit it big and
59:44
then Bill Goldberg hit it big and then
59:45
we had that just huge here in 98 which
59:49
was really the peak of every I think
59:50
though the real peak
59:52
although WEP later to be a player Benito
59:55
Warren at least but but as far as like
59:57
real competitive year you know and then
59:59
WCW self-destructed and and and that was
60:01
that but ya know I mean
60:04
historically it says that these things
60:06
will it will happen again when you know
60:09
whether it's a technology change or
60:11
someone gets a great idea you know nitro
60:13
was a great idea though bright guys came
60:17
Austin you know Bill Goldberg the rock
60:19
came they got super hot monday night
60:23
wrestling was just huge and that's you
60:27
know that's what it was it it can happen
60:29
again I don't see any signs of it
60:31
happening again but you know we didn't
60:34
see the signs of that happening but you
60:36
know I mean I guess in 97 I mean we did
60:38
when the first ratings came out I mean I
60:40
think it was at least as pleasant
60:42
surprise that Wow you know they they
60:44
built a new audience here it wasn't just
60:46
splitting the raw number yeah but I
60:50
don't think that anybody at the time
60:51
when when I mean even adding that new
60:53
audience something anybody thought that
60:54
it would be at the level it was no no no
60:56
no no no you're right you're right there
60:58
was no there was a lot of things that we
60:59
didn't know but that's one of the things
61:01
with the MMA thing that um you know that
61:04
that made thirty first by having those
61:07
two shows on at the same time they had a
61:09
lot of people watching MMA because you
61:11
got to remember that was El Silva match
61:13
through a big number yeah they're not in
61:15
you know not a gigantic but but I mean
61:17
it's certainly a hell of a number for a
61:18
taped show and yeah the other thing also
61:21
is is you look at that that 93 period
61:24
where were 92 93 where W II was was
61:28
having some problems even as late as 95
61:30
and 96 and I mean nowadays it's it's
61:33
sort of considered not a down period but
61:34
a little bit of a depressed period and
61:36
they're still they're doing phenomenal
61:38
business in many different ways and one
61:40
one guy catching fire or or one big
61:44
angle and it could very easily explode
61:46
again yeah I mean I it's possible I mean
61:52
you know and there's no when I mean Dave
61:54
Batista you know I mean that was a big
61:57
that's a real big deal really Dave
61:59
Batista Triple H viewed a couple of
62:00
years ago and that wasn't anything
62:02
planned I mean if you remember the whole
62:03
idea was Randy Orton and Triple H but
62:06
Dave Batista got hotter than Randy Orton
62:08
and it just it just happened so you know
62:11
John Cena you know and seen it you know
62:14
seemed to help the turnaround I mean
62:15
it's not Monday Night Wars level
62:17
but it got it got strong and again you
62:20
know it the rating I think the rating in
62:23
the fact that that angle wise and
62:25
storyline wise things are kind of flat
62:26
has kind of gotten people in this thing
62:29
and when also we don't have new stars
62:31
and so there's a lot of negativity but
62:33
as a business you know as a business
62:34
they're very very strong stone let's do
62:37
one more
62:38
each this one here is from Omega why
62:41
were you down on Gorilla Monsoon you
62:44
said many times you hated his work but
62:45
never really specified why it's a funny
62:49
one because I'm it's it's kind of a
62:51
manner of the one thing that I've
62:54
learned about wrestling and this is
62:55
going to scare a lot of people listening
62:57
right now because because the people who
62:59
are kids now they are going to see these
63:03
guys you know whether they're good bad
63:06
or indifferent you know they're gonna
63:08
see you know dave bautista is a great
63:10
worker and they're gonna be John Cena is
63:12
a great we know John I mean I'm not
63:13
knockin Cena's work you know I mean he's
63:15
approved a lot and works very hard but
63:19
they're gonna see that the guise of now
63:21
become your nostalgic figures when you
63:23
get older it's just it's just what
63:25
happens and if you're older you know and
63:29
and they've been watching for a long
63:31
time it you know you're a lot more
63:34
critical it's just how it is and so you
63:36
know like with me and it wasn't just me
63:38
I mean if you look at the observer
63:39
balloting I mean you know monsoon used
63:40
to do terrible and Akita monsoon was is
63:43
that a ton of people are nostalgic for
63:45
him because you know Gorilla Monsoon was
63:47
their announcer of their childhood you
63:49
know and and the observer audience that
63:52
was around then that was not their
63:54
childhood they were adults and Gorilla
63:57
Monsoon I mean they're you know there
63:59
was there was a lot of heat from the
64:01
guys on Gorilla Monsoon
64:02
you know for example you know he would
64:04
he was very critical of a lot of the
64:06
wrestlers you know he would always go
64:08
like he didn't hook the leg on a
64:10
nearfall
64:11
and you know and a lot of guys would go
64:15
he just killed the near fall by telling
64:16
people he's not going to get the pin so
64:18
why are we wasting our time or when a
64:19
babyface was in the submission hold he
64:21
would always go he'll never submit so
64:23
it's kind of like heels would go just
64:25
killed our submission it was kind of
64:26
like Ed Whelan you know and again in
64:29
Calgary Ed Whelan
64:31
example I talked to Brett Hart about
64:33
this a lot so Brett re-add Whelan's the
64:35
greatest wrestling announcer there ever
64:36
was because when Bret Hart was the kid
64:38
he was the announcer and he was always
64:39
the announcer what I would come in mid
64:42
story what having seen you know 100
64:44
different wrestling announcers and then
64:45
watching the Stampede Wrestling and
64:47
seeing Ed Whelan
64:47
he was frickin horrible you know because
64:50
he would you know all the things of you
64:52
know taking the heat away from the guys
64:54
taking the heat all the way from away
64:55
from the heels and stuff like that the
64:57
wrestlers would get would get really mad
64:58
at him because of how he ruined the
65:00
psychology of the matches and but if you
65:04
were a kid who grew up in Calgary Ed
65:06
Whelan could do no wrong and I mean I
65:08
think that's that's the deal with food
65:09
monsoon you know that this was almost
65:10
the exact answer that because somebody
65:12
asked me this question and I was like
65:14
well Dave would better answer but the
65:16
way I looked at it was you at the time
65:19
had seen some great announcers the
65:22
Gordon's so Lee's and and and meanwhile
65:25
I was sitting there watching primetime
65:27
wrestling and I saw Gorilla Monsoon and
65:30
Bobby Heenan being really funny so they
65:32
were the first their personality exactly
65:35
no no I didn't necessarily I mean
65:37
looking back now I don't think the
65:38
Gorilla Monsoon was the world's best
65:40
announcer but you know I look back now
65:42
and and I sit there and I still laugh of
65:44
my watch old primetime tapes I don't
65:46
think it was all that bad but I can
65:47
understand that somebody who had seen
65:49
great announcers going and watching
65:51
Gorilla Monsoon thinking wow this guy is
65:53
terrible
65:54
yeah well compared to what Gordon Solie
65:57
did he could not do that pressure it was
66:00
a different now now Gorilla Monsoon as
66:02
far as being a straight man feeding
66:03
Bobby Heenan oh you know on prime-time
66:06
arrest but yeah I never that never
66:08
bothered me was I liked Gorilla Monsoon
66:10
and Bobby Heenan primetime wrestling I
66:11
shouldn't like her the Gorilla Monsoon
66:13
calling matches and then when a guy
66:15
would you know put a submission hold on
66:16
him just going like this guy will never
66:18
submit you know and it's like you're
66:20
just killing the guy's work yeah I just
66:23
hate what announcers you know kill the
66:24
psychology of the match and you know of
66:26
course if it was today they wouldn't do
66:27
that because there's a lot more
66:28
sophistication in the announcing today
66:31
and a lot more heal thought and a lot
66:33
more criticism and things like that and
66:35
you know most likely if monsoon had been
66:39
around you know but just the whole
66:41
thing's a different era you know I'm
66:43
where can I say but you know like you
66:44
know it's like if I
66:45
if I criticized monsoon it's like
66:47
people's childhoods you know I never
66:49
really had that because you know I don't
66:53
know maybe maybe you know if I didn't
66:55
really have a you know let me I guess
66:57
Gordon Solie was was the key announcer
66:59
but the thing with Gordon Solie to me
67:02
was and you know a lot people you know
67:04
will talk about how great he was and he
67:06
was but the other thing is Gordon Solie
67:08
was in the 80s
67:09
Gordon so leagues you know really
67:12
survived on reputation I mean if you
67:14
watched the Gordon Solie of the 70s he
67:16
was tremendous the Gordon SOI the
67:17
eighties you know he was drunk and and
67:21
and he he had the reputation and and he
67:24
would win awards and and and he was the
67:26
Dean of announcers and he was the
67:27
greatest announcer but he really wasn't
67:29
that good and if you watch tapes him in
67:31
the 80s I think a lot of people go at
67:32
this is the great Gordon Solie and he
67:34
wasn't that great but when you get that
67:36
reputation with people you know you kind
67:40
of like you know he lived off his rep
67:42
you know I mean like like Lance Russell
67:44
and Jim Ross I thought you know really
67:46
they all they surpassed him four years
67:48
before they got credit for you know
67:50
surpassing him you know one more over
67:53
there okay we'll do one last one this is
67:59
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68:01
what do you and Brian with oh when do
68:05
you and Brian first get in win it for
68:07
you and Brian purse can content of each
68:08
other and start the working relationship
68:10
which is finally evolved into this great
68:11
merger I think there's a lot of new
68:13
subscribers might including myself who
68:14
aren't familiar with history of your
68:15
partnership this is from Paul there's
68:19
900 line when mine went down that what
68:22
happen you're gone and and yeah I called
68:24
to do yours
68:25
yeah thanks actually I sent you a fax
68:27
yeah and yeah that's how the whole thing
68:30
began and we started doing the hot line
68:31
together and then you called me to do I
68:35
guess the first few minutes of observer
68:37
live and then eventually it was the
68:39
whole observer live so yeah you saved me
68:42
an observer live that was like the the
68:43
whole key to observer life success was
68:45
you and know what it really was and so
68:51
yeah that was that was pretty much that
68:53
was pretty much it that's one of the
68:53
reasons why I was so looking forward to
68:55
doing this because um I you know I get a
68:57
kick out of working with Brian because
68:58
he's real
68:59
funny and he's really smart you know
69:00
it's it's it's good and hopefully this
69:03
things can work out he did a great job
69:04
of you know building to stick time
69:06
something live well you actually you
69:09
very much help this this thing as well
69:11
because yours were the most popular
69:12
shells on the site so the idea of being
69:15
able to to do them three times a week as
69:17
opposed to once every of the week I
69:19
wanted to ask you to do them every week
69:20
from the beginning but I was like that
69:22
doesn't seem right that I'm you know
69:24
getting down every single week so it was
69:26
hard because of all the other thing you
69:27
know I mean you know I just got so much
69:29
on my plate I mean I love doing this
69:31
stuff but I got I got you know but you
69:34
know I'm committed you know I'm I'm
69:37
excited about this whole thing I mean it
69:38
was great on Tuesday
69:40
- is Wednesday when we had the
69:42
announcement even though the
69:43
announcement didn't you know of the UFC
69:44
thing wasn't as big a news story as it
69:47
might have been but like you know like
69:49
tomorrow with the draft and then just
69:50
all these things I you know this is
69:52
gonna be really good and you know again
69:54
you know it's like next Sunday night you
69:55
know right after um you know Night of
69:57
Champions will be right on so you know
69:59
it's it's a lot of stuff to look forward
70:01
to yeah so everybody will be back
70:03
tomorrow after the draft it'll actually
70:05
be after the draft Pacific time since
70:08
I'll have to be watching the show
70:10
starting at about 8:00 so we'll be up
70:12
and about somewhere shortly after
70:15
midnight and that will be the plan and
70:17
of course later on in the week as well
70:19
and left some new newsletters up
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observer some back issues some new
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a lot of good stuff so you can always
70:26
post questions on the board or send them
70:29
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70:32
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70:34
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70:35
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