<Olivebirdy> Oh god, I'm so bored
<soulpelt|> mhm
<Olivebirdy> Panth, run a game~
<soulpelt|> go work on that Israel campaign, Olive.
<Olivebirdy> Well, that is interesting, admitted.
<Olivebirdy> Hm,
<panth> And toxic personality. Heh.
<panth> I run no games, Olivebirdy
<Mazinja> Blar. I wanna get in a game <:[
<panth> I have a Let's Read and a PMMM quest to maintain that already consume time
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<Olivebirdy> :<
<soulpelt|> panth: hence why I went Cartel this time around. Toxic personality + laser based Tinker = PAIN
<panth> The PMMM quest in particular, being a Gamer crossover, has necessitated five spreadsheets and four word documents to keep track of /everything/
<Olivebirdy> Fun, eh?
<panth> soulpelt|: I don't think you being in the cartel will make things easier XD
<panth> Olivebirdy: oh, it's fun
<soulpelt|> plus as a cartel member I'll always be active within the last 12 hours. :D
<soulpelt|> eh I wanted something else besides PRT
<panth> Heh
<panth> I actually decided to make it so my guy doesn't know he's a cape yet
<soulpelt|> (join ussss Panth)
<panth> He'll be more predisposed to join the PRT of course, but if you guys can make a convincing argument...
<soulpelt|> (we can get you super EbolAIDS.)
<panth> Remember though he's Middle-Eastern
<lostavocado> Hey are you still free to run a session olive?
<panth> ME dude in a Mexican cartel hahaha
<panth> Though I'm quite liking his skill spreadout
<panth> Not great with range, but get within melee and he's a bruiser.
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<soulpelt|> Think I'll need to have Bungee be both
<soulpelt|> bit of ranged bit of melee
<panth> Yeah, Cure specialises a bit more
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<Dol|ZzZ> Hi Char
<ErisMaenad> Howdy Gwennles!
<Dol|ZzZ> That's definitely a new one! Ha
<ErisMaenad> Adele's Hello was definitely worth the three year wait. My friend sent me a torrented version ten minutes ago, and I've been playing it on repeat.
<Dol|ZzZ> The album?
<ErisMaenad> It was a single.
<ErisMaenad> It is a single.
<Dol|ZzZ> ohhh
<Olivebirdy> oooh, gwennie.
<Dol|ZzZ> Hello, Olive
<Olivebirdy> :)
<Olivebirdy> Hi
<Olivebirdy> Excuse me a sec.
<Olivebirdy> Soulpelt you asshole, you sent me on a wiki-walk!
<soulpelt|> welcome
<Olivebirdy> I've got 10 wikipedia articles open!
<Olivebirdy> ><
<Dol|ZzZ> No way, Spelt being a jerk?
<ErisMaenad> Spelt is nothing if not angelic,
<Olivebirdy> (Nah, he was being nice)
<soulpelt|> :P
<ErisMaenad> Well we didn't specify if he was fallen...
<ErisMaenad> Ollie, Satan is attractive apparently
<Olivebirdy> And I know more about arab nationalism, socialism, the Baath, PLO, Fatah...
<Olivebirdy> Lebanon War, Black September, Jordan...
<Olivebirdy> xP
<ErisMaenad> Share, I know close to nothing of my israeli/middle eastern heritage!
<Olivebirdy> Um, hm.
<Olivebirdy> You can join my game when I make it :)
<ErisMaenad> Coolio
<Olivebirdy> There's a lot.
<Shemetz> A lot of what?
<Olivebirdy> HIstory, philosophy, splinter groups.
<Olivebirdy> Politics, of course.
<Olivebirdy> I think what I'm going to do, is make a mess of Trigger Events specifying what alignment you have.
<Olivebirdy> You were stabbed in Tel Aviv, you were interred at a refugee camp, recruited by Black September and now you are hunted, being shot at by the opposing army...
<Shemetz> recruited by the Black Panthers you mean?
<Olivebirdy> And a mess of wild card triggers.
<Shemetz> = normal triggers?
<Olivebirdy> Yep.
<Olivebirdy> No, Black September.
<soulpelt|> I would keep the number of players low, Ollie
<Olivebirdy> Were part of the PLO, splintered off.
<Olivebirdy> Er.
<Olivebirdy> They were part of Fatah, which was part of the PLO.
<Olivebirdy> They tried to make a cout de etat is Jordan, overthrow King ...Abdullah?
<Olivebirdy> Were exiled from Jordan, went mostly to Lebanon.
<Olivebirdy> Every group has a history, a philosophy, a name.
<Olivebirdy> This is going to be so muh fucking fun.
<Olivebirdy> "D
<Dol|ZzZ> Marvelous
<Olivebirdy> And this is only 80's Lebanon/Israel!
<Olivebirdy> I could do a whole other game for the 90's, the 00's.
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<Luna> Oh fun.
<Olivebirdy> The Entities must loooove Israel :D
<Olivebirdy> Well, the Middle East... crap.
<Olivebirdy> Hoo boy, more research!
<Luna> Africa could be a gold mine as well :D
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<Olivebirdy> (Because I need to look into the other conflicts going on then)
<soulpelt|> I would ask 'bow if he can give some info on the situation in the middle east
<soulpelt|> I know Big B fucked up their oil fields.
<Olivebirdy> He talked to me a while ago.
<soulpelt|> what'd he say?
<Olivebirdy> Yeah, B got some oil fields.
<Olivebirdy> He told me to remember Cauldron will have a stake in the whole thing.
<Olivebirdy> I think they would just keep sides from winning conclusively.
<Olivebirdy> They want conflict, conflict means more capes.
<Olivebirdy> Hm..
<soulpelt|> There would obviously be a Cauldron Shadow Broker type person
<Olivebirdy> They would attempt to make some sort of large organization.
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<Shemetz> not necessarily
<Dol|ZzZ> Hey Teller
<Shemetz> Maybe many small idependent ones
<Olivebirdy> It's what they do, Shem.
<Teller> Hey Dol.
<soulpelt|> ayyyyy Teller
<Olivebirdy> Their MO.
<Teller> Morning all.
<ErisMaenad> The feminine of Bastard should be Bastardess.
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<Olivebirdy> I can't see a Arab Nationalist/Socialist organization accepting Israeli capese.
<Olivebirdy> We're too Western.
<Olivebirdy> So, if Cauldron manages to build an Arab coalition of capes, they would try to bolster Israel to keep conflict going.
<Olivebirdy> Selling lots of vials to Israel, getting the Suuits involved.
<Shemetz> I don't think so
<Shemetz> about the Suits
<Olivebirdy> Of course, there's  a balancing effect. Worse things get for Israel, more triggers needed.
<Shemetz> Suits = Europe, right?
<Olivebirdy> And happen.
<Olivebirdy> Yep. They have an international arm.
<Olivebirdy> Not sure when they were founded....
<Luna> Apropos campaigns. How's Paris going ErisMaenad?
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<Shemetz> Israel is too self-centered / independent / whatever to allow the Suits to do anything there
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<Olivebirdy> ...
<Olivebirdy> Thank you Shem, I shall now disregard your opinion,
<Shemetz> Thank you
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<Olivebirdy> seeing as Israel has no problem accepting foreign aid.
<ErisMaenad> Good, Luna, I'm letting people trigger and work on their capes with the limited information I give them.
<Olivebirdy> Shem, seriously, there's a pan-Arab nationalist cape group (being torn apart by internal stuff) and Israel won't accept foreign aid?
<Shemetz> Foreign aid of *people*?
<Olivebirdy> Explain.
<Shemetz> AFAIK Israel mostly gets weapons and funding and possibly tech, right now
<Shemetz> Right now isn't 20 years ago, but it should be similar enough, I think?
<ErisMaenad> Seele_01 has Nephil done, Lostavocado is nearly done with Firebrand.
<Olivebirdy> Nope.
<ErisMaenad> Luminifera has attempted to start her new cape.
<Luna> Interesting setup!
<Shemetz> What sort of involvement were you imagining?
<Olivebirdy> See, Israel has a history of attempting to get aid, weapon deals, oil from euopean Countries.
<Olivebirdy> Weapons, submarines, ships, planes.
<Luminifera> yup eris
<Luminifera> :)
<Luminifera> bye now
<ErisMaenad> bye now
<Olivebirdy> (It also has a history of embarrassing countries that default)
<Dol|ZzZ> Farewell, Lumi
<Shemetz> Weapons, submarines, ships, planes
<Shemetz> but people?
<Olivebirdy> Of course?
<Shemetz> Non-Jewish people?
<Luna> Adiez Lumi
<Olivebirdy> Yep.
<Shemetz> Haven't heard of any soldiers from other countries helping Israel in any war
<Shemetz> Haven't heard as in...no famous names, heros, dead soldiers
<Olivebirdy> So, you haven't heard of the 1972 war?
<Olivebirdy> *3
<Shemetz> Yom Kippur?
<Olivebirdy> That was when Egypt closed the Suez canal.
<Olivebirdy> Yep.
<Olivebirdy> I think, top of my head, that Brits and French and us went against Egypt.
<Olivebirdy> US and Israel do a lot of joint training.
<Shemetz> browsing Wikipedia right now...US gave israel tons of supplies
<Olivebirdy> If a country wants antiterroism training? They come to Israel.
<Shemetz> no soldiers participating, though
<Olivebirdy> Paras are Law Enforcement.
<Olivebirdy> Be the same as UN Peacekeeping, and likely as effective.
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<Olivebirdy> Well, Law Enforcement != UN Peacekeeping, but you get the idea.
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<ErisMaenad> Gaah, when can we finish your session
<Olivebirdy> Suits hang out along the border.
<Pink> Parahumans vary widely enough that it is hard to pigeonhole them.
<Shemetz> I don't get why Israel needs extra cape support from other countries
<Olivebirdy> Eris, do mine!
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<Shemetz> Dense country and more than the average amount of conflict
<Pink> Twist- they are horse apples.
<Olivebirdy> Like I said, the worse it gets, the more triggers,
<Shemetz> Which is why Israel doesn't need help
<AceOfSpade> I'm free, we can play right now
<Olivebirdy> but still, they are very outnumbered...
<Olivebirdy> Hmmm
<Luna> Eris throwing apples....
<Olivebirdy> Arab Nationalism went down after the Six Day War.
<Luna> ... and no one comments on it?
<Shemetz> Israel is the strongest military force, definitely
<Shemetz> Maybe the palestines would get extra support, but from other arab countries
<AceOfSpade> Luna, it's alright as long as they aren't golden
<Luna> Huh. True. So you're golden then ^^
<Olivebirdy> Well, I'm sure they would.
<Shemetz> But I have no idea about their relations with other arab countries, so... no idea
<Olivebirdy> Saudi, Muslim Brotherhood from Egypt, if they are existant.
<Shemetz> "Muslim Brotherhood" = "The Muslim Brothers"?
<Olivebirdy> And yes, if Cauldron gets together a Parahuman Pan-Arab(sorta) Group?
<Olivebirdy> Yep.
<Olivebirdy> Then the Arab Nationalism rises.
<Olivebirdy> Arab Nationalism rises, supported by a very large parahuman base? Israel is fucked.
<soulpelt|lab> Israel would have their own stuff, no doubt
<Shemetz> ^
<Olivebirdy> Yes, there will be more triggers, but do you think Israel won't ask for political support?
<Shemetz> And they still got much better equipment, control of the area, tech
<Olivebirdy> Thus, Suits.
<Shemetz> And why would the Suits want to help?
<Olivebirdy> Cauldron wants them to.
<Shemetz> Why would they want to get involved in that mess?
<Shemetz> The suits, I mean
<Olivebirdy> Cauldron wants two things.
<soulpelt|lab> I suspect Israel would have a higher parahuman-to-Baseline ratio
<Shemetz> Cauldron definitely doesn't need the suits to participate
<Olivebirdy> One, Israel's survival, because Israel causes triggers in all directions.
<Shemetz> Cauldron is the one that gives both sides more vials
<Shemetz> And controls both governemnts at least a little bit
<Olivebirdy> Two, a very large parahuman group, consisting of many Middle Eastern countries.
<Shemetz> Is exactly what Cauldron already wants?
<Olivebirdy> <Olivebirdy> Cauldron wants two things.
<Olivebirdy> <Olivebirdy> One, Israel's survival, because Israel causes triggers in all directions.
<Olivebirdy> <Olivebirdy> Two, a very large parahuman group, consisting of many Middle Eastern countries.
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<Olivebirdy> Now, I am cosidering how this plays out.
<Olivebirdy> I think the numbers say that Israel is outclassed.
<Shemetz> I definitely disagree
<Shemetz> even without the Suits
<Olivebirdy> MEaning, Israel needs foreign support.
<Olivebirdy> Either Cauldron, Suits, PRT, US, or all of the above.
<ErisMaenad> Unlikely the later ones
<Olivebirdy> Eh.
<Olivebirdy> Depends on how the Cold War plays out.
<soulpelt|lab> US maybe
<Luna> You're setting works on the premise that there'd be a greater arabic coalition, OB. Which is a dubious premise.
<Shemetz> Israel has control over the country, they literally have walls surrounding Gaza and pretty strong military in every city or around it
<Olivebirdy> I know it's dubious.
<Olivebirdy> Why, are you talking about Israel vs Gaza?
<Olivebirdy> I'm not.
<Shemetz> Israel VS palestines inside Israel, no?
<Olivebirdy> Luna, yes, it's dubious.
<Olivebirdy> No.
<ErisMaenad> I'd put money on a combination of, Cauldron/Suits and possibly a foreign party not involved in the Cold War majorly.
<Shemetz> You're talking about Egypt and Jordan and syria?
<Olivebirdy> The entire Middle East, SHem.
<Olivebirdy> Mostly Israel, because that's what I know.
<Olivebirdy> I'm going to brach out from here.
<Olivebirdy> SO.
<Olivebirdy> LUNA
<Olivebirdy> <Luna> You're setting works on the premise that there'd be a greater arabic coalition, OB. Which is a dubious premise.
<Luna> Aye!
<Olivebirdy> True!
<Olivebirdy> Very true.
<Luna> Which I think was something Shem didn't take into account. But... okay?
<Shemetz> Yeah
<Olivebirdy> However. A) There is already a arab nationalistic philosophy.
<Shemetz> I thought arab countries weren't exactly friendly with each other
<Olivebirdy> Saying all arabs should work together.
<Luna> Ahhhh.
<Olivebirdy> Shem, that is also true.
<Shemetz> How strong is it, though?
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<Luna> Well. Infighting, thy name is Middle-East.
<Olivebirdy> The Arab nationalistic philosophy took a hit with the death of Nasser, and with the quick defeat of the secular, nationalistic Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, in the Six Day WAr.
<Shemetz> What's different between the situation IRL right now and the situation in Worm? All countries get pretty much the same percentages of capes, more or less. Why would they all band together against israel?
<Olivebirdy> Goddamn it Shem
<Olivebirdy> Let me fucking talk
<Shemetz> I'm letting you, I'm just also speaking during it
<Olivebirdy> Okay?
<Shemetz> go ahead, yeah
<Olivebirdy> Great.
<Olivebirdy> Okay.
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<Olivebirdy> With the powers, smaller groups can get more say. Look at the Empire
<Shemetz> Empire?
<Ace|Evilution> !roll 1d6+2 dodge
<O\\\O> Ace|Evilution> Rolled 1d6+2 (4): 6 < Tagged "dodge"
<Olivebirdy> I am going to look into the smaller groups, see what they want.
<soulpelt|lab> E88 shem
<Olivebirdy> E88
<ErisMaenad> !roll 1d6+1 Fire
<O\\\O> ErisMaenad> Rolled 1d6+1 (3): 4 < Tagged "Fire"
<Shemetz> Ah, yup
<ErisMaenad> Roll for stealth AceOfSpade
<Olivebirdy> But, seeing as Cauldron wants a Pan Arab Group, and the fact that Israel is probably not invited...
<Shemetz> Why does Cauldron suddenly want that? Why does everyone agree to this?
<Ace|Evilution> !roll 1d6+2 stealth
<O\\\O> Ace|Evilution> Rolled 1d6+2 (3): 5 < Tagged "stealth"
<Shemetz> Cauldron wants conflict, but they don't just rally every single nation on earth to war
<Olivebirdy> And the fact that Arab Nationalism is an actual philosophy that is brought down by tribalism and other stuff.
<Olivebirdy> Shem.
<Shemetz> 6-day war, yom kippur war, both happened before Scion
<Olivebirdy> Cauldron has had a hand in making all the big groups.
<Olivebirdy> Yese, I know.
<Shemetz> so arab nationalistic phylosophies should be any stronger or weaker
<Olivebirdy> *shouldn't
<Shemetz> I agree that small terrorist groups will be more powerful
<Olivebirdy> Yes, I know.
<Luna> I'd leave Cauldron out of it. Maybe a proxy team of powerful capes who may or may not be sponsored by Cauldron? A good thinker at the right place - and bingo.
<Shemetz> But I disagree that any country, as a whole, will suddenly start a war with another
<Olivebirdy> Also small Cristian groups, small Haredi groups
<Shemetz> Yup
<Olivebirdy> <Shemetz> But I disagree that any country, as a whole, will suddenly start a war with another
<Olivebirdy> ?
<Olivebirdy> Eh?
<Shemetz> What you were saying is that most middle eastern arab countries fight against Israel, no?
<Olivebirdy> Luna: Could be that is all that Cauldron needs.
<Olivebirdy> No.
<Shemetz> Heavily support palestines?
<Olivebirdy> Yes.
<Shemetz> The countries, or just other extremists in said contries?
<Olivebirdy> Both.
<Olivebirdy> More cooperation.
<Olivebirdy> Hmmm
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<Olivebirdy> In name only, or not....
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<Olivebirdy> Shem, there will obviously be a lot of tension within the countries, and between them.
<Shemetz> They should have a lot of infighting, in my opinion. Religious fights within them, more small groups, less cooperation between groups in the same country
<Olivebirdy> I don't doubt, how- Yes, exactly.
<Shemetz> The more advanced/rich/powerful a country is, they cooperate better. See US, europe, africa for the opposite
<Shemetz> also north korea, I guess?
<Olivebirdy> <Olivebirdy> Shem, seriously, there's a pan-Arab nationalist cape group (being torn apart by internal stuff) and Israel won't accept foreign aid?
<Olivebirdy> Note the parentheticals.
<Olivebirdy> I know what I'm doing :)
<Shemetz> I'm saying Israel won't need it
<Shemetz> I think ISrael is just strong enough to withstand it on their own
<Olivebirdy> Look at a map sometime.
<Olivebirdy> Sorry Shem, I'm being snippy
<Olivebirdy> If it turns out Israel doesn't need it, they won't get aid, okay?
<ErisMaenad> Codename ideas for Lumi's cape? https://docs.google.com/document/d/15qWQ6mXMfOHSa17IqSyxXHiNrW5lJtaRvFKz09T8ILo/edit#
<_> [ lumi cape #2 - Google Docs ] - docs.google.com
<Olivebirdy> If they do, then lots of groups have an interest in helping out.
<Luna> A small country, beset on all sides by enemies, rife with inner struggle. A superficially peaceful pan-arabic coalition. Burning oil fields. Suits called in, but what is Europe's stake -exactly-? Sounds like a lovely and interesting setup.
<Olivebirdy> IKR :D
<Luna> No matter whether you agree on Israel accepting help or not :D
<ErisMaenad> Poor Israel
<Olivebirdy> I want to set up a Cauldron-sponsered group.
<Olivebirdy> Or two.
<Shemetz> Israel has an army, one that the citizens *must* join for a while in their lives
<Shemetz> A constantly maintained army
<ErisMaenad> If they were smart, they wouldn't accept help from any country, but instead they would accept it from a neutral organization, like the Suits.
<Olivebirdy> Yes, I know. I gave up three years of my life for it.
<Shemetz> The armies of other nations don't really compare, as they haven't had to fight for their survival for quite a while
<Olivebirdy> Wow, you think the Suits are neutral?
<Olivebirdy> ...
<ErisMaenad> No, but they're immune to any nation.
<Olivebirdy> Shem, what was the Gulf War?
<ErisMaenad> They're definitely swayed by Cauldron, but they're not affiliated with any country.
<Olivebirdy> What caused it?
<Olivebirdy> Now, if you want to say that you meant after the coalition...
<Olivebirdy> ?
<Olivebirdy> Eris, they are affiliated with the EU.
<Olivebirdy> EU is not neutral.
<Shemetz> Inter-middle-east wars, one country versus another, have there been any lately?
<Olivebirdy> YEp.
<Olivebirdy> One sec.
<Shemetz> Iran-Iraq?
<Olivebirdy> 1991, definitely.
<Olivebirdy> Yep.
<Ace|Evilution> Mmmm gold statue and a guardian projection... I feel like there is a term for exactly that... a name that would fit to a T... but I can't remember it...
<Olivebirdy> Iraq-Kuwait
<Olivebirdy> ISIS, of course.
<Olivebirdy> Saudis kind of outsource their wars, sending their kids elsewhere.
<Olivebirdy> When was the Armenian Massacre/Genocide?
<Olivebirdy> Darfur was in Africa, yeah?
<Luna> Lumi's name: I know! Some kinda greek myth, I would think.
<Shemetz> armenian massacre was ~1910, I think?
<Olivebirdy> So yeah, Shem. Iran-Iraq going on for about a decade.
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<Olivebirdy> Then the Gulf War happened.
<Shemetz> Eris - "house-bred him"?
<Shemetz> Like, he had puppies?
<Olivebirdy> I did not realize, that Arab Nationalism was replaced by Islamist philosoph.
<Olivebirdy> *y
<ErisMaenad> Did I say, Housebred...
<ErisMaenad> Redact, sorry, not sure why I added that.
<Shemetz> :P
<Shemetz> Sounds like a pretty neat trigger
<Olivebirdy> Meaning, same multi country ideal, but this time, it's for Muslim countries, not just Arab ones.