@7192689 map in question here, you can jump carefully on top of the lava and time it all to get on top of the lava from the start or CJ, TA, WJ UP and then jump and carefully slide yourself on top of it.


[18:53] [Fxie] how's it a shortcut if you do the same thing on this side
[18:53] [Stuckerrs] because its faster
[18:53] [Stuckerrs] than the intended way
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[18:54] [Fxie] i mean a shortcut is usually not the same minus a step
[18:54] [Fxie] usually it's a different obstacle
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[18:55] [Stuckerrs] then what would this accidental different faster road be called
[18:55] [Josie] an alternative route that is shorter than the one usually taken."they were taking a shortcut to town"
[18:55] [Josie] .
[18:55] [Stuckerrs] ye
[18:55] [Stuckerrs] its a different route
[18:56] [Stuckerrs] you skip practically a cj, a ta
[18:56] [Stuckerrs] and a good few wjs
[18:57] [Fxie] i mean i think of a shortcut in bootcamp as a harder path that uses a different approach to skip the less difficult intended path; if it's an identical obstacle but the "intended path" just has another needless step making it effectively harder then
[18:57] [Fxie] it doesn't seem like a shortcut so much as the intended path being pointless flair
[18:57] [Josie] Yeah but its not that
[18:57] [Fxie] using the term shortcut not being totally literal
[18:58] [Stuckerrs] i mean ,the only thing the shortcut and the original road in the very end have in common is that you got to get on top of the lava
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[18:58] [Stuckerrs] There's enough of a difference between the original road and the shortcut though.
between the original road and the shortcut though.
[18:58] [Fxie] you can get on the lava straight from spawn
[18:59] [Stuckerrs] Yeah, which Virtini if he could
[18:59] [Stuckerrs] probably would edit
[18:59] [Josie] Like he did in his other map
[18:59] [Josie] With the soft touch thing i found out lol
[18:59] [Josie] From 35 sec to 8 sec lol
[18:59] [Stuckerrs] except it's sadly a bit too hard to find a fix for
[18:59] [Josie] threadmill
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[18:59] [Stuckerrs] it requires grounds he doesnt have
[18:59] [Fxie] you could just remove the lava and put a half ice half wood wall only climbable from the right side
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[19:00] [Stuckerrs] i think seeing as virt definitely noticed the sc
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[19:00] [Stuckerrs] becausee it literally turned into the original way almost
[19:01] [Stuckerrs] he probably thought of ways to change it properly while still letting the map have the same credibility
[19:01] [Fxie] that's what i mean by it's not so much a shortcut as just the regular way
[19:01] [Stuckerrs] it's the unintended faster way though
[19:01] [Josie] Love the fact were talking about a sc if its a sc or not
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[19:01] [Stuckerrs] i mean theres TONS of maps
[19:01] [Stuckerrs] that contain EASIER and faster unintended ways
[19:02] [Fxie] i mean do you call it a shortcut when you don't take pointless detours through a map
[19:01] [Stuckerrs] it's the unintended faster way though
[19:01] [Josie] Love the fact were talking about a sc if its a sc or not
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[19:01] [Stuckerrs] i mean theres TONS of maps
[19:01] [Stuckerrs] that contain EASIER and faster unintended ways
[19:02] [Fxie] i mean do you call it a shortcut when you don't take pointless detours through a map
[19:02] [Josie] Its a faster way so its a sc
[19:02] [Josie] Scs normally are harder
[19:02] [Josie] But sometimes easier
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[19:02] [Stuckerrs] you call it a shortcut when it's a faster way than the original it's simply a sc, i mean the route Josie takes in my map is unintentional
[19:03] [Fxie] in the context of bootcamp im just used to shortcut meaning harder and faster; if it's easier then everyone does it then it's just normal
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[19:03] [Stuckerrs] There's tons of old old maps
[19:03] [Josie] Yeah ppl use it as the normal way but that doesnt take away that its originally a sc
[19:03] [Stuckerrs] where the shortcuts are way easier than the normal way though.
[19:03] [Stuckerrs] I mean, I'm sure you'll recognize a few
[19:04] [Fxie] the normal way is the way that most people go
[19:04] [Josie] Yeah which can be the sc or the intended way of the map
[19:04] [Josie] How the mapmaker actually wanted you to play it
[19:04] [Stuckerrs] @166032 this for example
[19:04] [Stuckerrs] everyone KNOWS what the map creator intended
[19:05] [Josie] !map @166032
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[19:05] [Stuckerrs] but which way do people go, they wj the fuck up there
[19:05] [Stuckerrs] its way easier and faster
[19:05] [Stuckerrs] its very very obvious
[19:05] [Stuckerrs] its the shortcut way though
[19:05] [Stuckerrs] and that it was unintended
[19:05] [Stuckerrs] @166361
[19:05] [Josie] Well i'ma eat so i'll return it to hardcamp
[19:05] [Stuckerrs] too, a sc to the hole
[19:05] [Fxie] it's not the exact same obstacle though
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[19:05] [Josie] uh
[19:05] [Fxie] but whatever
[19:06] [Stuckerrs] It's not the exact same obstacle in the normal road either
[19:06] [Stuckerrs] It's way more precise in the sc
[19:06] [Fxie] the map with the lava was the same obstacle both ways
[19:06] [Fxie] *but whatever*
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[19:07] [Stuckerrs] uh oki
[19:08] [Stuckerrs] if you think so ig
[19:08] [Fxie] people get so worked up over semantics
[19:09] [Stuckerrs] ?
[19:09] [Washbackz] hi stuc i love u
[19:09] [Stuckerrs] they dont like being corrected
[19:10] [Washbackz] can u give my blacklist link
[19:10] [Fxie] they love to correct though
[19:10] [Stuckerrs] yeah when there is something to correct
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[19:11] [Fxie] so you think you're the only one who's right
[19:12] [Stuckerrs] well im sure aurora wouldve told you the same
[19:12] [Fxie] who
[19:12] [Stuckerrs] a u r o r a c l e a r s
[19:12] [Fxie] what makes their opinion matter more
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[19:13] [Stuckerrs] because we're not even talking about opinions even anymore at this point
[19:14] [Fxie] also i think they'd probably have understood when i said what i meant by shortcut (harder, faster; not the standard path people use)
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[19:14] [Fxie] strangers don't usually like to listen to what others mean when in a disagreement
[19:15] [Fxie] you were being completely literal and i told you what i meant which wasn't completely literal
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[19:15] [Fxie] you didn't listen and now insist there's a right and wrong and not a misunderstanding of what both of us mean by shortcut
[19:15] [Stuckerrs] if mario kart had build-in shortcut routes within the maps but people found out those routes to the point they became the normal route for people to play in battles, are they even the shortcut then anymore
[19:15] [Stuckerrs] Is it*
[19:16] [Fxie] by the definition i was using and told you i was using no
[19:16] [Fxie] by your strictly literal definition yes
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[19:16] [Fxie] if you listened when i said what i meant there would be no argument because you would understand that it's just a miscommunication
[19:16] [Fxie] no right or wrong
[19:17] [Stuckerrs] The whoole difference between the obstacle we were talking about is sliding on top of the lava or jumping on top of it though.
[19:17] [Stuckerrs] It is what made the original way way easier
[19:17] [Fxie] it's easier to do and the standard path, which isn't what i usually call a shortcut
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[19:18] [Ponz] aye
[19:18] [Stuckerrs] There was that difference in the obstacle though. They weren't the same.
[19:18] [Fxie] i would disagree there
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[19:18] [Fxie] getting on lava is getting on lava
[19:19] [Ponz] how to do here
[19:19] [Stuckerrs] The way you get on top of the lava is part of the obstacle.
[19:19] [Ponz] bullshit
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[19:19] [Fxie] yeah it's the same you jump at the right elevation from it on the side of it
[19:19] [Stuckerrs] You don't. You slide on top of the lava
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[19:19] [Stuckerrs] by running against it
[19:20] [Stuckerrs] While you jumped
[19:20] [Sinsilerrr] sa
[19:20] [Stuckerrs] and then you carefully slide on top of it
[19:20] [Sinsilerrr] hi guys
[19:20] [Stuckerrs] Unlike the shortcut
[19:20] [Stuckerrs] The obstacle is very overused in a lot of Virtini maps
[19:20] [Fxie] oh well that must be related to that new mechanic then because i've never heard of doing that in traditional lava maps
[19:20] [Sinsilerrr] ibod
[19:20] [Sinsilerrr] iboo
[19:20] [Ponz] ibo diyip durma
[19:20] [Sinsilerrr] knk su the ıle baslayn cumleyı cevırsene
[19:20] [Stuckerrs] It's not exactly part of aie either.
[19:20] [Ponz] he?
[19:20] [Ponz] hangisi
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[19:20] [Sinsilerrr] yukarda
[19:20] [Ponz] he
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] The ıle baslayan cumle
[19:21] [Ponz] virtini maplerindeki engeller çok kullanılmış diyo
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] hmm
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] dil mi okudun
[19:21] [Ponz] yo
[19:21] [Fxie] running up against lava and jumping into it has pretty consistently killed me from my experience but maybe i just dont understand it
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] nerden anlıysun :D
[19:21] [Ponz] ingilizce bilmek için
[19:21] [Ponz] dil okuman laızm değil
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] Ferhat Yıldız
[19:21] [Fxie] i assumed you jumped away and ran towards it like usual
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] D
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] :DDW
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] FERHAT YILDIZ THE MASTER OF LANGUAGES
[19:21] [Sinsilerrr] yoksa ondan mıı
[19:22] [Sinsilerrr] ee nasıl gelıstırdın
[19:22] [Stuckerrs] if josie would stop stuffing goddamn good in his piehole i'd be able to atleast show it in some sort of way
[19:22] [Sinsilerrr] su cumleyı cevırsene
[19:22] [Sinsilerrr] son cumleyı
[19:23] [Fxie] no it's fine i thought the obstacle worked differently
[19:23] [Fxie] i believe you
[19:23] [Stuckerrs] ._.