[17:20:39] <pookar> shes the best character in the game
[17:22:52] <joshe> really?
[17:23:03] <+DoomVM> no.
[17:23:08] <pookar> yues
[17:23:11] <+DoomVM> pookar's just insane
[17:23:14] <+DoomVM> noap
[17:23:21] <pookar> no im just good
[17:23:26] <+DoomVM> she's powerful but she frontloads most of her damage
[17:23:31] <pookar> nope
[17:23:47] <+DoomVM> she doesnt have the sustained deeps in a teamfight compared to other ad carries
[17:23:54] <pookar> yes she does
[17:24:04] <pookar> she has more than graves does
[17:24:10] <pookar> and caitlyn
[17:24:15] <pookar> and ashe
[17:24:24] <+DoomVM> no one uses either cait or ashe anymore lol
[17:24:30] <+DoomVM> graves is a legit comparison
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[17:24:40] <pookar> dude do you even know tristanas steroid
[17:24:44] <+DoomVM> yeah
[17:24:45] <pookar> 90% steroid for 8 seconds
[17:24:47] <+DoomVM> the massive as boost
[17:24:50] <pookar> graves in 70% for 4
[17:24:55] <Phiddlesticks> i agree wukong has the most underrated ganks
[17:24:57] <+HD_AFK> 80%
[17:24:57] <+HD_AFK> iirc
[17:25:01] <pookar> probably
[17:25:03] <pookar> but still 4
[17:25:04] <+HD_AFK> (trist)
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[17:25:09] <pookar> no hers is 90
[17:25:22] <pookar> Attack Speed Boost: 30 / 45 / 60 / 75 / 90 %
[17:25:22] <+DoomVM> he also has a cd refresh based on the amount of hits that he uses
[17:25:31] <+HD_AFK> o
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[17:25:43] <pookar> tristana also is the safest ad carry
[17:25:49] <pookar> having a free chase mechanic
[17:25:52] <pookar> that gets refreshed
[17:26:12] <pookar> she has ther longest range
[17:26:26] <pookar> even if someone jumps on her
[17:26:30] <pookar> she has a knockback
[17:26:47] <+DoomVM> tristana also has to put herself dangerously in harms way if she wants to use said chase /escape mechanic as part of her burst :U
[17:27:00] <+HD_AFK> trist is 90% for 7 sec
[17:27:08] <+HD_AFK> with a 20 sec cd
[17:27:18] <+HD_AFK> graves is 80%
[17:27:20] <+HD_AFK> for 4 sec
[17:27:26] <+HD_AFK> with a 14 sec cd
[17:27:28] <+DoomVM> but
[17:27:30] <+HD_AFK> and then -1 sec cd
[17:27:32] <+HD_AFK> per autoattack
[17:27:32] <+DoomVM> he has a cd refresh
[17:27:38] <+DoomVM> which scales with itself
[17:27:40] <+HD_AFK> i'd rather have graves's
[17:27:44] <+DoomVM> because more as
[17:27:49] <+DoomVM> means
[17:27:51] <+DoomVM> more auto attacks
[17:28:55] <+DoomVM> im not trying to imply trist isn't a top tier ad carry; she is
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[17:29:07] <+DoomVM> i dont think she's the best champ in the game tho
[17:29:13] <pookar> she is the best ad carry
[17:29:24] <+HD_AFK> no she's not
[17:29:28] <+HD_AFK> if anything sivir is
[17:29:37] <+DoomVM> even post nerf?
[17:29:46] <+HD_AFK> then not sivir
[17:29:51] <+HD_AFK> how badly did she get nerfed
[17:30:44] <+DoomVM> dunno dude i havent had acess to actually playing this game for quite a while lol
[17:31:31] <+DoomVM> ALSO
[17:31:38] <+DoomVM> while trist surely has more burst early
[17:31:50] <+DoomVM> graves has better burst late i would wager
[17:31:54] <pookar> nope
[17:31:55] <+DoomVM> his burst scales with ad
[17:31:58] <+DoomVM> trist's doesn't
[17:31:59] <+DoomVM> at all
[17:32:12] <pookar> graves burst relies on him getting close to targets
[17:32:23] <+DoomVM> and trist's rocket jump doesnt?
[17:32:26] <pookar> um
[17:32:32] <pookar> u dont use that.. to get closer
[17:32:34] <pookar> its a cleanup move
[17:32:44] <pookar> use it after 1-2 people have died
[17:32:46] <pookar> clean the rest up
[17:32:57] <+DoomVM> so then that move is 100% out of trists burst in teamfights
[17:33:04] <pookar> it doesnt do damaghe shitface
[17:33:14] <+DoomVM> (Active): Tristana fires at the ground to propel herself to a target location, dealing magic damage and slowing surrounding units by 60% for 2.5 seconds when she lands. On kills or assists, Rocket Jump's cooldown resets.
[17:33:28] <pookar> whats your point
[17:33:30] <pookar> it deals no damage
[17:33:36] <+DoomVM> Magic Damage: 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+0.8 per ability power)
[17:33:42] <pookar> oh i remember trist builds ap
[17:33:50] <pookar> IT DOESNT DO DAAMAGE
[17:33:53] <+DoomVM> so then
[17:33:54] <pookar> ITS NOT A BURST SPELL
[17:34:00] <+DoomVM> where does trists burst come from
[17:34:02] <+HD_AFK> it most definitely does damage
[17:34:04] <pookar> RIGHT
[17:34:05] <pookar> FUCKING
[17:34:05] <pookar> CLICK
[17:34:10] <+HD_AFK> um
[17:34:12] <+DoomVM> RIGHT CLICK
[17:34:14] <+DoomVM> HUGE BURST
[17:34:17] <pookar> .
[17:34:18] <+HD_AFK> burst=/=sustained
[17:34:20] <+DoomVM> CAIT BEST BURST IN GAME
[17:34:31] <pookar> i remember that all ad carries are bursty
[17:34:34] <pookar> you fucking mongs
[17:34:35] <+HD_AFK> right click is sustained damage
[17:34:42] <+HD_AFK> what the fuck are you saying even
[17:35:03] <+DoomVM> all fed ad carries can melt late; that isnt the same as actual burst......