Craig Wright Discussion Afterparty

andrewquentson [6:39 PM]
"IF you need to do what I say as I am Satoshi and not because of the idea I am presenting, but the nature of my identity, then you are all lost!" why bother telling us all you're satoshi then, instead of, you know, just presenting your work @craig_s_wright @csw @vlad2vlad

csw [6:40 PM]
https://medium.com/@MADinMelbourne/welcome-to-the-ministry-of-truth-in-the-wiki-age-601ec28a2504
Medium
Welcome to the Ministry of Truth in the Wiki Age. – #thewildcard – Medium
“Is this really happening?” was tweeted to me yesterday as nChain announced it’s arrival into the Bitcoin scene, bringing with it the…
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[6:40]
Nothing of the last year was planned.

[6:41]
I listened to the wrong ideas and simply where we should be is ignoring and leaving the myth.

[6:42]
I had started to present my work. That is when the attacks started and i was not prepared for any of it.

[6:43]
I did not expect to have to explain the distinction between a PhD and a professional doctorate and I did not expect to have any of the other fabrications to defend.

[6:44]
I have learnt from this. I am saddened that people feel they need an authority and cannot learn and must come to a state where they express an attack as an opinion.

Yes, you can have an opinion, but this is not the same as a reasoned argument.

andrewquentson [6:45 PM]
Sorry, but your first act was to claim authority by claiming you are Satoshi

[6:45]
why?

csw [6:45 PM]
No, I was not the one talking in Dec 2015

[6:46]
Nor did I make up stories about recommended settings in encryption software

iang [6:46 PM]
The events of 2015 - 2016 weren’t really of Craig’s wanting.  The first problem was the attacker and extortionists and various other sundy gossipers… so the writing was on the wall.

jp [6:46 PM]
In 2015 we were hacked and blackmailed

iang [6:46 PM]
The second problem was the circus team in London that went out of control.


andrewquentson [6:47 PM]
Does that include the BBC interview?

macsga [6:47 PM]
lol

csw [6:47 PM]
I was promised a simple low key interview. No TV camera

andrewquentson [6:47 PM]
with the BBC!

[6:47]
low key?

csw [6:47 PM]
It was not what eventuated

iang [6:47 PM]
yes all the events of May 2015 and the big reveal … it actually started around mid 2015.

betty [6:48 PM]
joined #general

alp
[6:48 PM]
csw can you with a key for me?

andrewquentson [6:48 PM]
Alright, can you tell me how it came that Gavin ended up vauching for you?

csw [6:48 PM]
I signed the contracts and moved to London 5 months before any of this.

[6:49]
A...Q... no. If Gavin does, that is his decision

iang [6:49 PM]
Basically it’s as said - CSW was used to add a couple of zeros to the patent portfolio.  Which necessitated the ‘big reveal’ … circus.  Unfortunately, CSW fails at being a pop star.  Who knew…

alp
[6:49 PM]
when does Gavin join NChain?

[6:49]
How much money did Roger give to nChain?

csw [6:49 PM]
The worst thing I can do is play a public role.

[6:49]
I have given no money to Roger

andrewquentson [6:50 PM]
Well, how more public can you get than Gavin vauching for you

iang [6:50 PM]
sounds like business questions - I for one would expect the business team at nChain to deal with them.

csw [6:50 PM]
Gavin is semi retired and does not miss the trolling

andrewquentson [6:50 PM]
now, my memory might be wrong, but back then I think he publicly wrote saying you or someone related asked him to visit you

[6:50]
is that true?

csw [6:50 PM]
Related yes.

travin [6:50 PM]
Hey Andrew.

andrewquentson [6:51 PM]
so you willfully went forward with a ceremony which was meant to prove your identity, why?

mrhodl [6:51 PM]
joined #general

alp
[6:51 PM]
how much money did roger fund nChain/

[6:51]
not that you paid him

andrewquentson [6:51 PM]
identity as claimed satoshi that is

csw [6:51 PM]
Roger. Nothing

beautybubble [6:51 PM]
joined #general

csw [6:51 PM]
I believed promises.

[6:52]
I was told, one time, and then you can be left alone.

andrewquentson [6:52 PM]
I mean, if you want us to just judge you, rather than authority, why engage in an event which tries to claim authority by showing an alleged satoshi owned address signature?

csw [6:52 PM]
I agree

andrewquentson [6:52 PM]
you agree with what sorry?

klee [6:53 PM]
read the pastebin before asking questions already answered DAMNIT

csw [6:53 PM]
I agree that was foolish

beautybubble [6:53 PM]
Pleased to be here to learn some new things.

[6:53]
Thank you for having me.

andrewquentson [6:53 PM]
alright

travin [6:53 PM]
@andrewquentson -https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
Pastebin
Craig Wright Q&A btcchat.slack.com - Pastebin.com (19kB)

andrewquentson [6:53 PM]
this supercomputer @csw it doesn't exist does it?

csw [6:53 PM]
Actually it did

tomothy
[6:53 PM]
Yes, Look at yesterdays disclosure from Vlad

andrewquentson [6:53 PM]
did?

tomothy
[6:53 PM]
He provided all the information concerning the computer

csw [6:54 PM]
Did.

tomothy
[6:54 PM]
Invoices, receipts, along with significant other information

andrewquentson [6:54 PM]
what happened to it?

csw [6:54 PM]
I had dealings with people connected to Liberty Reserve and who later ran systems in Panama

jp [6:54 PM]
I did the security pen test on it before the public class programming on supercomputer started

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andrewquentson [6:55 PM]
where was the supercomputer stored/held csw?

csw [6:55 PM]
Panama

iang [6:55 PM]
Moore’s Law :slightly_smiling_face:  computers do get rather old…

macsga [6:55 PM]
like I said several times, I'd put a good use to it :slightly_smiling_face:


andrewquentson [6:55 PM]
ok

[6:55]
I can see your typing looks fine

your background shows, however, you often like to miss-spell words

[6:56]
create grammatically messy sentances

[6:56]
why?

csw [6:56 PM]
I have friends who own more computer power than I do. They simply do not use them to do scientific calculations, they run Poker rooms.


[6:56]
Would you like me to mis-type


beautybubble [6:56 PM]
Because I prefer specifics.  Are you speaking of The Panamanian SERVIR center is housed in the City of Knowledge, at CATHALAC.

andrewquentson [6:56 PM]
my preferences are completley irrelevant

beautybubble [6:56 PM]
Thank you.

andrewquentson [6:57 PM]
the document which says you entered into a partnership with the company that provided the supercomputer parts is grammatically unsound

why?

csw [6:57 PM]
My academic papers are sound.

iang [6:57 PM]
wtf?

andrewquentson [6:58 PM]
is the miss-spelling intentional?

csw [6:58 PM]
:slightly_smiling_face:

[6:58]
No more.

alp
[6:58 PM]
you angered him andrew

[6:58]
the wizard of oz will close the doors on you

iang [6:58 PM]
@andrewquentson have you ever usd computers?

andrewquentson [6:58 PM]
you're completely free to not answer

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[6:59]
but that doesn't leave many obvious conclusions

freetrader [6:59 PM]
... and did you spell-check your comments above (if not, you should)

csw [6:59 PM]
Your assumption is that I created those documents. Even now, I like to work in my own area and remain a curmudgeon, but I am not too far from people.

snoop [6:59 PM]
Alp=ass

alp
[7:00 PM]
hi poons

andrewquentson [7:00 PM]
"When looking at Craig Steven Wright’s background, his seemingly inability to spell stands out immediately. As does his preference for general terms, vague language, and long windedness.

Wright’s now deleted Linkedin profile contains 26 A4 sized pages and terms such as “Encryption Techniology” and “continential kitchens”."

alp
[7:00 PM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6qPo1zzU7s
YouTube doc biz
in which Craig Wright says "fuck off"


andrewquentson [7:00 PM]
you didn't write your own linkedin?

csw [7:00 PM]
:slightly_smiling_face:

alp
[7:00 PM]
fuck off your mother if you want fuck off

csw [7:00 PM]
I did not manage much of my social media

beautybubble [7:01 PM]
Oh, dear.

kp [7:01 PM]
joined #general

mrhodl [7:01 PM]
@csw How long were you in a relationship with Michelle?

beautybubble [7:01 PM]
Once people calm down we can introduce ourselves and put on the table concerns.  Right?

csw [7:01 PM]
Yes, I am angered by people who say that they can reverse ECC private keys (excluding brain wallets)

I have never met Seven

mrhodl [7:02 PM]
Alright, Who manages your social media account?

andrewquentson [7:02 PM]
alright, what's the probability of compromise @csw ?

csw [7:02 PM]
A...Q... is this me...

mrhodl [7:02 PM]
So you never met Seven, eh?

[7:02]
How did you get on that panel?

csw [7:02 PM]
No, I was on a panel from London

mrhodl [7:02 PM]
Sure, but why did she invite you? (edited)

alp
[7:03 PM]
csw's dick is so long it went all the way from london to the us

jp [7:03 PM]
I insisted csw not to do it

andrewquentson [7:03 PM]
"

   “Where a system uses an SMS response with a separate system (such as a web page), the probability that the banking user is compromised and a fraud is committed, P(Compromise), can be calculated as: P(Compromise) = P(C.SMS) x P(C.PIN)

   Where: P(C.SMS) is the probability of compromising the SMS function and P(C.PIN) is the compromise of the user authentication method [sic]

   The user can be compromised by Trojan apps, poor pins that are pasted to a monitor etc.”

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mrhodl [7:03 PM]
JP, that's not my question..

[7:03]
How was on on there to begin with?

andrewquentson [7:03 PM]
I suppose that's you, unless others write under your name in mailing lists too

beautybubble [7:03 PM]
I am certain once we get through some of this hostility, we can get on to the bigger, better conversation.

csw [7:03 PM]
That is a long story and I do not wish to discuss it. I was not (as is stated) 'fucking' her, we have never been in the same city at the same time to my knowledge

beautybubble [7:04 PM]
Please guys try and be civil here.

csw [7:04 PM]
ALP... I would like to think so... but I am not that large :wink:


mrhodl [7:04 PM]
long story ..got it

alp
[7:04 PM]
why should we be civil beauty?

csw [7:04 PM]
A...Q... That was a VERY short part of a very long equation (edited)

opet [7:04 PM]
joined #general

beautybubble [7:04 PM]
It allows for team work and conversation.

alp
[7:05 PM]
team work with a con artist?

[7:05]
who gives a fuck

mrhodl [7:05 PM]
@csw Does @jp have a picture of you from 2005?

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andrewquentson [7:05 PM]
@csw what's a Merkel Tree?

mrhodl [7:05 PM]
I hear you met at a cypherpunk conference.. he pointed you to a tent?

andrewquentson [7:05 PM]
@alp and @mrhodl can you try and not shut down discussion

beautybubble [7:05 PM]
I came here to meet a person who I am very interested in and I hope we can work through some of the harder parts.

csw [7:05 PM]
MrH... I hope not. But I used to come and go from conferences

alp
[7:06 PM]
lol aquent whining about trolling

andrewquentson [7:06 PM]
questions are cool, but...

alp
[7:06 PM]
pot calling kettle black here

mrhodl [7:06 PM]
Andrew, my questions are more relevant... sorry.

csw [7:06 PM]
A...Q... A merkle tree... Please ask something difficult.

andrewquentson [7:06 PM]
yes yes just relax @alp (edited)


mrhodl [7:06 PM]
@jp Do you have that picture?

jp [7:06 PM]
I'm not jvp

mrhodl [7:06 PM]
Oh, right

[7:06]
So who are you?

jp [7:06 PM]
John

alp
[7:07 PM]
whats your assocation to satoshi dundee

jp [7:07 PM]
Fuck off bastatd

alp
[7:07 PM]
fluffer?

jp [7:07 PM]
Piece of cumbag

mrhodl [7:07 PM]
You told Craig not to go on that panel? Why? Who are you to Craig?

jp [7:07 PM]
Fluff your fucking mother if you wanna fluff

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macsga [7:07 PM]
lol

satoshi [7:08 PM]
Don't engage or respond to trolling.  Ping bitsko to remove.

macsga [7:08 PM]
dat quote

coinspeak
[7:08 PM]
If you have doubts that's fine but be civil. If you don't believe then just listen and see if you learn something vs dominate the conversation being a troll.

mrhodl [7:08 PM]
@satoshi How is this "trolling"?

iang [7:08 PM]
I think it is fair enough if technical and cryptographic questions are asked.


satoshi [7:08 PM]
Agreed

jp [7:08 PM]
And this is not a fucking interrogation

freetrader [7:08 PM]
I believe this slack is an exercise in free speech. We have to accept the unsavory commenters.

iang [7:09 PM]
Beyond that, the reality TV questions are probably better off left to some other venue.  Like . reality TV.

klee [7:09 PM]
why should we give a flying fuk who Craig fucks?

mrhodl [7:09 PM]
CSW is claiming to be Satoshi, yes?

jp [7:09 PM]
Craig, I Think you should leave.


csw [7:09 PM]
Free speech does not incorporate any speech

cypherblock [7:09 PM]
csw is claiming to be csw I think.

mrhodl [7:09 PM]
Interesting..

satoshi [7:09 PM]
csw = csw

csw [7:09 PM]
I believe that I am CSW. I could be mistaken.

satoshi [7:09 PM]
LOL

klee [7:10 PM]
I am Vinny
1 reply Today at 7:10 PM View thread

mrhodl [7:10 PM]
So you're not claiming to be Satoshi?

klee [7:10 PM]
sodl at 1250

[7:10]
still waiting for 800

iang [7:10 PM]
I’ve got that Who song in my mind… “Who are you?  Who Who?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4
YouTube TheWhoVEVO
The Who - Who Are You?


csw [7:10 PM]
And Freetrader, no, free speech does not incorporate libel or slander.

alp
[7:10 PM]
satoshi: i was told by bitsko this chat room was explicitly for trolling

[7:10]
am i mistaken?

csw [7:11 PM]
I am stating that Satoshi needs to remain a myth and no more. Nobody in any position should be accounted as an authority for where they are. The ideas they express need to be weighted and viewed individually.

megalodon [7:11 PM]
alp can you go back to the dragon's den and reformulate the strategy? starting to get pretty stale and repetitive by this point in time

freetrader [7:12 PM]
@csw : what I'm referring to is that bitsko has announced he's unlikely to remove anyone from this slack no matter what they say.
libel and slander are dealt with lawfully.
That said, it may not be wise to feed trolls more than they can handle. (edited)

alp
[7:12 PM]
kek

cypherblock [7:12 PM]
@csw do you wish to just become a “regular guy” in the community, who should be judged on his current statements, papers, etc and not on any Satoshi stuff?

alp
[7:12 PM]
i figure satoshi dundee's scam is pretty stale and repetitive too

opet [7:12 PM]
Speaking of ideas, have you released any additional details regarding nChain's intended solution for scaling?

mrhodl [7:12 PM]
:thinking_face:

prometheus [7:12 PM]
@csw Thank you for helping to bring Bitcoin to life, and thank you for taking the time to answer our questions. I enjoyed reading Andrew O'Hagan's "The Satoshi Affair" piece. In it, it mentions the name "Satoshi Nakamoto" created from combining "Satoshi" (The Pokemon character Ash in Japanese) and "Nakamoto" (Tominaga Nakamoto being the Japanese merchant philosopher). Is this the correct origin on the moniker?

You had incredible forethought to create a pseudonym when creating Bitcoin, and creating the "myth" that resulted. Was this influenced by your academic background in Religion and Mythology?

andy [7:13 PM]
joined #general

mrhodl [7:13 PM]
Why are you thanking him for bringing bitcoin to life? He's not Satoshi. (edited)

csw [7:13 PM]
CypherB... I will not be that. In my case it will be a steeper slope


andy [7:13 PM]
Well it's been a lively day already I can see.

klee [7:13 PM]
csw time to talk about serious stuff, like your training in Ninjutsu & Wing Chun

andrewquentson [7:14 PM]
@csw can you share the e-mail you sent to Adam Back?

csw [7:14 PM]
No, I will not release company details. There are people for that and when I talk out of turn, I cause trouble.


andrewquentson [7:14 PM]
not sure if that's been made public?

andy [7:14 PM]
Thanks for answering questions csw.


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csw [7:14 PM]
A..Q.. That would not be good iff I was to remain not in a role... That email may come out in time.

andrewquentson [7:15 PM]
ok

csw [7:15 PM]
It would "not" come from me.

andrewquentson [7:15 PM]
what happened after you emailed Adam back in... whenever it was?

andy [7:15 PM]
If bitcoin suddenly ended tomorrow, would you support the creation of a new coin or support an existing one?


csw [7:15 PM]
If Bitcoin ends, then I am broke :slightly_smiling_face:


macsga [7:15 PM]
ME TOO

[7:15]
:stuck_out_tongue:

jp [7:15 PM]
Me too

macsga [7:16 PM]
lol

klee [7:16 PM]
no suga mamma?

megalodon
[7:16 PM]
lol looks like we all really are satoshi then


jp [7:16 PM]
No Vegas

macsga [7:16 PM]
sugga momma will divorce me

klee [7:16 PM]
rekt

macsga [7:16 PM]
unless provide sex

csw [7:16 PM]
A....Q... Adam (from my understanding) pointed a certain person to Wei. :slightly_smiling_face:

jp [7:16 PM]
Vinny rich

klee [7:16 PM]
Where's Vinny?

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mrhodl [7:16 PM]
https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/C555C1FME/p1493918140758518 Why do you say that?
csw
If Bitcoin ends, then I am broke :slightly_smiling_face:
Posted in #generalToday at 7:15 PM

macsga [7:17 PM]
Vinny is alp

andrewquentson [7:17 PM]
did you speak to wei @csw ?

klee [7:17 PM]
We are all Vinny

jp [7:17 PM]
Vinnayaan kleecumming


andrewquentson [7:17 PM]
speak obvs includes email etc

rajsallin [7:17 PM]
joined #general

macsga [7:17 PM]
he sodl early and now butthurt

csw [7:17 PM]
99% of my wealth is in Bitcoin in one way or another. I own no Alts and I have sold most of the property I owned

mrhodl [7:17 PM]
@csw Prove it.

csw [7:17 PM]
I have talked to Wei in the past, yes.

andrewquentson [7:17 PM]
did you speak to wei after speaking to adam @csw ?

csw [7:17 PM]
MrH... Prove what?

[7:18]
A...Q... No comment

jp [7:18 PM]
Keep up with the kardashian is happening, featuring Craig Wright and dragon den ... Ding ding ding.

Round 1

mrhodl [7:18 PM]
That you are the type of holder you say you are.

andy [7:18 PM]
That you'll be broke.  Ignore it.  It's not an assertion that requires proving imo.

mrhodl [7:18 PM]
At least sign block 9?

klee [7:18 PM]
Plan 9 from Outer Space

andrewquentson [7:18 PM]
@csw can you describe what b-money is and how it's similiar or different from bitcoin?

[7:18]
this one is a genuine question


csw [7:18 PM]
Yes, I can explain b-money

alp
[7:19 PM]
uploaded this image: image.png
Add Comment

andy [7:19 PM]
I'm pretty sure csw has at least a couple of bits if he's CEO of a $300m enterprise looking to dethrone BS.


iang [7:19 PM]
Signing things with early keys is not particularly helpful - the keys were moved around several times, and no ‘proof’ is therefore proof.

2 replies Last reply today at 7:38 PM View thread

csw [7:19 PM]
Have you read b-money, the concept is sound, but it was not developed

mrhodl [7:19 PM]
@csw Will you ever sign any of the early blocks?

alp
[7:19 PM]
andy: how is bs ona  throne

andrewquentson [7:19 PM]
I'm actually very curious to know how b-money is similiar and different from bitcoin @csw in a sort of high level conceptual manner

andy [7:19 PM]
I bet nChain has more BTC holdings that BS does, as they keep their funds in fiat.


macsga [7:19 PM]
@alp VINNY!

alp
[7:19 PM]
kek

iang [7:19 PM]
I outlined this on Crypto list a year back:  http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2016-May/029323.html  Basically, signing won’t give you the proof-boost you want.

alp
[7:19 PM]
you think nchain has any holdings?

andy [7:20 PM]
If tons of people have access to early keys then the coins associated would have moved by now, no?

csw [7:20 PM]
Part 1 - the paper to discuss.

mrhodl [7:20 PM]
@csw Will you ever sign any of the early blocks or are you going to continue bullshitting us?

csw [7:20 PM]
I am fascinated by Tim May's crypto-anarchy. Unlike the communities
traditionally associated with the word "anarchy", in a crypto-anarchy the
government is not temporarily destroyed but permanently forbidden and
permanently unnecessary. It's a community where the threat of violence is
impotent because violence is impossible, and violence is impossible
because its participants cannot be linked to their true names or physical
locations.

Until now it's not clear, even theoretically, how such a community could
operate. A community is defined by the cooperation of its participants,
and efficient cooperation requires a medium of exchange (money) and a way
to enforce contracts. Traditionally these services have been provided by
the government or government sponsored institutions and only to legal
entities. In this article I describe a protocol by which these services
can be provided to and by untraceable entities.

I will actually describe two protocols. The first one is impractical,
because it makes heavy use of a synchronous and unjammable anonymous
broadcast channel. However it will motivate the second, more practical
protocol. In both cases I will assume the existence of an untraceable
network, where senders and receivers are identified only by digital
pseudonyms (i.e. public keys) and every messages is signed by its sender
and encrypted to its receiver.

[7:20]
http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt

andy [7:21 PM]
I don't think he has to prove anything with regard to SN if he doesn't seek to convince anyone that he's SN.

andrewquentson [7:21 PM]
I've read that

[7:21]
the question was

[7:21]
how is b-money similiar and different from bitcoin?

mrhodl [7:21 PM]
But he did claim to be Satoshi?

[7:21]
on more than one occasion.

csw [7:21 PM]
I know and this is a forum that takes time to answer in


jp [7:22 PM]
Hold my beer

andy [7:22 PM]
He was at one time forced into a position by former staff.  He initiated but then digressed from the assertion you're trying to get him to reassert.

csw [7:22 PM]
Shall I start on the first or the second protocols A...Q...?

andrewquentson [7:22 PM]
you can start on the high level differences

[7:22]
presumably you can abstract stuff in thought?

[7:23]
and distill it

csw [7:23 PM]
In b-money, each party has a database, but, unlike in Bitcoin this is not syncronised.

andrewquentson [7:23 PM]
then succinctly communicate it

csw [7:23 PM]
The issue was the Byzantine Generals problem.

[7:24]
Where this was solved is through the use of the gamblers fallacy. In this, we have the attacker under 51% (not 50) playing a game of roulette in effect.

[7:24]
As each roll is under the required return, they never expect to win in the long run.

andrewquentson [7:25 PM]
yes we know what the general's problem is

csw [7:25 PM]
B-money was similar to Adam's hashcash in use

[7:26]
It was not in effect capped. The solution was based on a known PoW that set the economic value to be the cost of "mining" the demonstrated calculation.

alp
[7:26 PM]
:crocodile:

[7:26]
:knife: that's not a knife

csw [7:26 PM]
Basically, each entity seeks to mint coins

beautybubble [7:26 PM]
Was not that issue covered in a Ripple forum some years ago OR does it remain relevant?  Thank you.

csw [7:27 PM]
b-money and the broadcast system was an account based system

alp
[7:27 PM]
csw: is mike hearn going to join you?

csw [7:27 PM]
I have not been up with Ripple of late sorry.

[7:28]
In b-Money (bm from now) the user agrees to send a transaction and complete the work before a time.

[7:28]
In this manner, bm is in effect a system that is online and requires the broadcast to be created in a set time window,

andy [7:28 PM]
@alp I don't imagine Hearn will return.  The community isn't going to suddenly become nontoxic, even if on-chain scaling happens.

beautybubble [7:28 PM]
Thank you for your answer.  Appreciate it.

csw [7:29 PM]
The options do allow for a payment in default against an account, but there is little in the form or nature of scripting nor of what could be a smart contract.

andrewquentson [7:30 PM]
alright let me narrow down

alp
[7:30 PM]
i mean return to nchain not bitcoin

andrewquentson [7:30 PM]
wei says b-money has two layers

csw [7:30 PM]
SHA1 was proposed in bm. At the time this was still used widely, but faults had developed by 2007

andrewquentson [7:30 PM]
lets focus on the base layer

[7:30]
he says it's inefficient

[7:30]
that's why it needs a second layer

danielnyairo [7:30 PM]
joined #general

andrewquentson [7:30 PM]
what makes b-money inefficient but bitcoin efficient and therefore not needing a second layer?

csw [7:31 PM]
For a start, there are issues with the need for a secure network. Tor even was not really of sufficient quality (edited)

ajd [7:31 PM]
I want to know why 50.9% isn't enough.

csw [7:32 PM]
Bitcoin allows for offline signing. It also has a separation of the validation function

[7:32]
The use of UTXO to mint coin at each transaction(these being in effect destroyed and created a new) allows for the use as cash and not an account

[7:33]
Bitcoin is not and does not require the transaction to be encrypted.

andrewquentson [7:33 PM]
what do you mean?

[7:33]
encrypted how?

csw [7:34 PM]
BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted.

beautybubble [7:35 PM]
May I quote you on that?

csw [7:35 PM]
Bm requires that the channel is encrypted. Basically, more than a VPN as the need for an untraceable connection means that attacks can be formed by link analysis

[7:35]
BB?

beautybubble [7:35 PM]
Yes, on the "BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted."

csw [7:35 PM]
BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted.?

[7:35]
Yes, ECC is not used. EcDSA is.

beautybubble [7:36 PM]
Thank you.  Heading to twitter.

csw [7:37 PM]
Messages in Bitcoin are singed, but they are also open and can be analysed

andrewquentson [7:37 PM]
@csw I'm not sure what you might have discussed with wei, I'm going by the 4-5 para he wrote

[7:38]
he seems to be describing bitcoin in great parts, but he says the base layer is inefficient, why isn't bitcoin's? (edited)

andy [7:38 PM]
The plural of bitcoin is bitcoin.


klee [7:39 PM]
bitscoin?


jp [7:40 PM]
Bitcorns

csw [7:40 PM]
Bitcoin uses what is in effect a SEIR-c epidemic model. The messages are sent unencrypted but signed and the propagation (should) requires verification prior to forwarding

andrewquentson [7:41 PM]
but every node needs to store it

[7:41]
and they keep sending each other data, many of it useless, research has found for 8k real blocks some 200k are sent

csw [7:41 PM]
Yes. Each node. That can also be a risk decision

megalodon
[7:41 PM]
@csw What's a Bitcoin? :innocent:

csw [7:41 PM]
And a point in time can mean that the verification for some nodes in limited.

andy [7:42 PM]
Do you currently mine csw?

andrewquentson [7:42 PM]
yes, alright

xhiggy [7:42 PM]
Can you explain how bitcoin maps to a SEIR-C epidemic model, and why not an SIR model?

andrewquentson [7:42 PM]
how did Adam Back come to your attention before you contacted him @csw?

csw [7:42 PM]
And there are methods that can make SEIR network graphs more efficent

andrewquentson [7:43 PM]
I don't think google can help you and of course the time it takes to answer is a factor @csw

[7:44]
its a very easy question

[7:44]
for satoshi

[7:44]
or adam back

csw [7:44 PM]
LOL

[7:45]
And as I said, I am not going to answer Satoshi questions.

[7:45]
But a good try.

andrewquentson [7:45 PM]
you should answer this one

jp [7:45 PM]
Csw is a con artist, move along.

andrewquentson [7:45 PM]
its public knoweldge

[7:45]
go on

csw [7:45 PM]
No, it is what Adam stated and what a few sites such as Gwern's state.

jp [7:46 PM]
Cright wraig is not Satoshi, con artist and asshole. Move long guys.

andrewquentson [7:46 PM]
stated what?

csw [7:46 PM]
Read Gwern's over long post and a few other blogs.

[7:46]
And it is not the real answer, but more I will not comment.

andrewquentson [7:46 PM]
what does gwern's blog say

andy [7:47 PM]
andrewquentson You're still seeking for him to prove something he's acknowledged he isn't seeking to prove.

csw [7:47 PM]
That is not too difficult to google AQ

ajd [7:47 PM]
Why is 51% the threshold and not 50%?


megalodon
[7:48 PM]
any estimate on when more details for the SDK nChain is working on will be available?

andy [7:48 PM]
51% loses over a long enough time.

[7:48]
or wins rather

[7:48]
derp

andrewquentson [7:48 PM]
do you mean this @csw ? https://www.gwern.net/docs/2008-nakamoto
gwern.net
Dai/Nakamoto emails - Gwern.net
Emails between Wei Dai and Satoshi Nakamoto discussing Bitcoin

ajd [7:48 PM]
What about 50.9%?

andrewquentson [7:48 PM]
so you were googling then!

[7:49]
but that doesn't say how adam back came to your attention does it?

klee [7:49 PM]
I like Adam's hair


csw [7:49 PM]
No A.Q. I was on a private chat with MrHodl

klee [7:49 PM]
much beauty

csw [7:49 PM]
50.00000000001% even

andrewquentson [7:50 PM]
can you say how adam back came to your attention @csw?

klee [7:50 PM]
such brains

beautybubble [7:50 PM]
May I ask... the hostility in this channel is coming from a belief that the SLACK member csw is not Craig Steven Wright, Australian computer scientist and businessman?  So with a very simple question to the member, @csw Are you indeed the person named and described here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Steven_Wright -- Thank you for your kind answer. ~Beauty
Wikipedia
Craig Steven Wright
Craig Steven Wright (born October 1970) is an Australian computer scientist and businessman. He claims to be the real person behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto—the creator of bitcoin—a claim that is disputed within the bitcoin community.

iang [7:50 PM]
51% is just a convenient way of saying a slight majority.  Like 50% plus a little bit.

ajd [7:51 PM]
Okay I thought maybe there was something more to https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/C555C1FME/p1493918661942624
csw
Where this was solved is through the use of the gamblers fallacy. In this, we have the attacker under 51% (not 50) playing a game of roulette in effect.
Posted in #generalToday at 7:24 PM

iang [7:51 PM]
The point isn’t so much xx%% but that the algorithm eventually decides one way or the other.

alp
[7:51 PM]
@beautybubble : its that csw is a con artist

beautybubble [7:51 PM]
I am being patient with the answer.

xhiggy [7:51 PM]
Who is he conning?

andrewquentson [7:51 PM]
@csw can you say how adam back came to your attention?

macsga [7:51 PM]
@alp VINNY, BUY TEH DIPS

csw [7:52 PM]
I am the person named here: https://medium.com/@MADinMelbourne/welcome-to-the-ministry-of-truth-in-the-wiki-age-601ec28a2504
Medium
Welcome to the Ministry of Truth in the Wiki Age. – #thewildcard – Medium
“Is this really happening?” was tweeted to me yesterday as nChain announced it’s arrival into the Bitcoin scene, bringing with it the…
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iang [7:52 PM]
Unfortunately, sadly, people are obsessed with numbers.  Numbers make something seem real.  So we have to put some numbers on the explanation … to make people believe.  See, I used numbers 3 times there, so I’m right.

beautybubble [7:52 PM]
Can you be so kind to answer my question too?  Thank you.

andy [7:52 PM]
3 is a number too.  I believe you now.

klee [7:52 PM]
https://twitter.com/VinnyLingham/status/860184952003940352
Vinny Lingham @VinnyLingham
1/ The current price momentum and new highs for Bitcoin has effectively neutered any chance of Segwit being activated on Bitcoin, IMHO.
TwitterToday at 7:30 PM


[7:52]
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

[7:52]
I FART FROM LAUGHING

[7:52]
POOR MFer!!
!!!

csw [7:52 PM]
BB. The one on who?

beautybubble [7:52 PM]
The wiki page.

macsga [7:52 PM]
lol

andy [7:53 PM]
Segwit is DOA.  Would you agree csw?

csw [7:53 PM]
And I did answer.

beautybubble [7:53 PM]
Thank you.

csw [7:53 PM]
SegWit is a removal of many of the fundimental aspects of Bitcoin

klee [7:54 PM]
VinnyCoin


jp [7:54 PM]
Corn will crash to 400.

csw [7:54 PM]
This simplistic idea that Transaction = H(TX) is a solution is a demonstration that only settlement matters to some.

prometheus [7:54 PM]
@csw are you concerned about any other alt-coins usurping BTC's position? The closest one I can currently see getting close is Ethereum (ETH), but I personally view it as being fundamentally flawed in that the chain is storing and processing all smart contract transactions (bad for storage and scaling) and there's a never ending inflation of the asset (bad for use as a hard currency).

Litecoin (LTC) is similar to BTC, in that it's capped, and plans to implement SegWit soon. There's a lot of hype around LTC right now, but I'm unconvinced it's sustainable, unless businesses actually start utilizing SegWit and implementing Lightning (which centralizes the network, in my opinion).

Your thoughts?

csw [7:54 PM]
I do not follow Alts.


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andrewquentson [7:55 PM]
@csw I won't ask again. Can you say how Adam Back came to your attention?

andy [7:55 PM]
I think people are going to persist in trying to disprove you're Satoshi, regardless of how clearly you state that you do not seek to prove this.

csw [7:56 PM]
A...Q... Then stop asking.


cypherblock [7:56 PM]
can you say some more about how segwit removes some fundamental aspects?

csw [7:56 PM]
Segwit changes the validation layer

andrewquentson [7:57 PM]
Well, I did say it was the last time I'd ask, but why won't you say?

ajd [7:57 PM]
What do you think about P2SH, then?

csw [7:57 PM]
It changes the control from those who mine to a number of "soft" change options.

andrewquentson [7:57 PM]
It's public knowledge, although you clearly don't appear aware of it

beautybubble [7:57 PM]
May I post an invitation to this SLACK?  Having a chance to ask you serious questions and then learn about your newer ventures I believe would help everyone.  Thank you.

alp
[7:57 PM]
andy: csw does quite a fine job disproving it every word he speaks.

andrewquentson [7:57 PM]
Satoshi, however, would certainly know

csw [7:57 PM]
P2SH was a basket case, but we have it now

iang [7:57 PM]
The Transaction = H(TX) thing was something I found pretty critical in my work, and would naturally follow it.  But bitcoin’s UTXO layout is completely different, and it’s non-obvious.  Also the entire published ledger takes away the need to have a hash proof of existence.  Still, it complicates things having multiple valid transactions.

alp
[7:57 PM]
he clearly doesnt know the code.

andrewquentson [7:57 PM]
as does Adam Back of course

iang [7:57 PM]
But I’m guessing this is a whiteboard discussion :disappointed:

cypherblock [7:58 PM]
@andrewquentson why are you asking about adam ? He is not trying to prove he is Satoshi right now.

ajd [7:58 PM]
Okay you gave the right answer to that one. :slightly_smiling_face:

mrhodl [7:58 PM]
@cypherblock *right now* is keyword. He did in the past.

andy [7:58 PM]
alp seems to be an expert on who satoshi is based on their statements of the tech.  perhaps csw or someone else could ask alp a question to demonstrate his prowess with knowledge of the protocol?

iang [7:58 PM]
Everyone knows Adam Back.  I’ve known him for over 20 years.

alp
[7:58 PM]
i do not claim to be satoshi andy

[7:59]
I didnt write the code.

csw [7:59 PM]
Who wrote the book referenced in the code on triple redundancy?

cypherblock [7:59 PM]
@mrhodl maybe maybe not.

mrhodl [7:59 PM]
what?

[7:59]
What do you mean maybe maybe not?

iang [7:59 PM]
Him I don’t know.  But my ex-SO does.  Goes to uni where he was.

mrhodl [8:00 PM]
Are you saying he never said he was the creator of bitcoin? @cypherblock

iang [8:00 PM]
He’s very old :slightly_smiling_face:

klee [8:00 PM]
Atherosclerosis

klee [8:00 PM]
uploaded this image: image.png
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andrewquentson [8:02 PM]
You guys here

macsga [8:02 PM]
uploaded this image: hear hear
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andrewquentson [8:02 PM]
@cypherblock

[8:02]
@iang

[8:02]
@jp

cypherblock [8:02 PM]
@mrhodl I’m saying he may either have never wanted to prove he was satoshi or maybe changed his mind.

andrewquentson [8:02 PM]
@bitsko

[8:02]
and the rest

[8:02]
you know this guy

[8:02]
fucking discraced Gavin?

cypherblock [8:02 PM]
yes I know

andrewquentson [8:02 PM]
you know he overshadowed the May blockchain coference

jp [8:02 PM]
Vegas modafackor, M O O N F I L T H Y

iang [8:03 PM]
@andrewquentson can you please stop spamming the channel - you’re not making yourself welcome.

andrewquentson [8:03 PM]
when we were to talk about all srots of nice thing

[8:03]
It was to be the comming out party

[8:03]
you know he is the cause of the commit removal?

cypherblock [8:03 PM]
yes I know

andrewquentson [8:03 PM]
and now he blabs here

jp [8:03 PM]
uploaded this image: e7bb793450426bdf1cb4e79397aea11dea281c31505206ca1bd95fcd3a0404a7.jpg
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jp [8:03 PM]
1600 kleenay vincumming

macsga [8:03 PM]
@andrewquentson what's your problem exactly?

andrewquentson [8:03 PM]
and some big blockers are all yeh maybe

[8:03]
sure

macsga [8:03 PM]
are you him?

andrewquentson [8:03 PM]
maybe the sun falls

macsga [8:04 PM]
I don't see Gavin here

cypherblock [8:04 PM]
The gavin thing was unfortunate. @csw did you see that as necessary to disrupt authority myths?

andrewquentson [8:04 PM]
what authority myths

mrhodl [8:04 PM]
lol

jp [8:04 PM]
As I said. This slack should be private instead of inviting those like alp and andrew

andrewquentson [8:04 PM]
he is claiming the HIGHEST authority

macsga [8:04 PM]
alp is Vinny

iang [8:04 PM]
Gavin was just caught up in the entire circus.  He wasn’t “intended” he was just roadkill as the community responded.

macsga [8:04 PM]
let him here I like him

[8:04]
:stuck_out_tongue:

jp [8:04 PM]
Find the fucking sentence he said he wanted to be the highest

cypherblock [8:04 PM]
satoshi is authority myth.

mrhodl [8:05 PM]
I can't believe this but i'm with Andrew Quentson on this

andrewquentson [8:05 PM]
there is no myth @cypherblock

mrhodl [8:05 PM]
@andrewquentson Wanna try and be friends?

jp [8:05 PM]
Go back to your dragon den


andrewquentson [8:05 PM]
satoshi is presumed to have brains

[8:05]
because of what he achieved

mrhodl [8:05 PM]
hahahah

andrewquentson [8:05 PM]
smarts

alp
[8:05 PM]
lol jp

andrewquentson [8:05 PM]
you know

alp
[8:05 PM]
jp who the fuck are you anyway

andrewquentson [8:05 PM]
intellect

iang [8:05 PM]
We understand that you’re trying to create some great copy - but the myth is dead.  SN is no more.  It’s over.


andrewquentson [8:05 PM]
thats a useful thing

awemany [8:05 PM]
@newliberty , @csw: after some fresh air, i think the "aleph1" argument from above has a gaping hole: there needs to be a clear definition of what SHA256 (or any other hash function) *is* then

jp [8:05 PM]
I'm the one fuck your modafacker

alp
[8:05 PM]
lol

awemany [8:05 PM]
It sounds cool, but I think it does not make sense

cryptonaut [8:05 PM]
@andrewquentson it's actually people like you that try to claim Satoshi is "the highest authority". Literally everything csw has said so far has been the opposite

alp
[8:06 PM]
so whats the plan after no one buys this?

jp [8:06 PM]
I fucking fun in dat hole to create you piece of shit

csw [8:06 PM]
I am not claiming authority at all

andrewquentson [8:06 PM]
Satoshi is not an "authority"

cryptonaut [8:06 PM]
you are claiming he is

macsga [8:06 PM]
@alp boobs and BJ buddy

andrewquentson [8:06 PM]
thats like calling einstein an "authority"

andy [8:06 PM]
agreed

mrhodl [8:06 PM]
Yet, you want us to follow your lead? @csw

csw [8:06 PM]
No, I want people to think

fatman3001 [8:06 PM]
joined #general

klee [8:06 PM]
SHORT LTSHIT MFERS

mrhodl [8:06 PM]
I'm think you're full of shit.

andy [8:06 PM]
good luck with that one csw

awemany [8:07 PM]
csw, I see you are here again. Can you explain how you extend SHA256 to infinite data streams for your aleph1 argument?

jp [8:07 PM]
@mrhodl  fuck you modafackers. Get the fuck out of here

mrhodl [8:07 PM]
jp, eat a dick.. thank you.

csw [8:07 PM]
It saddens me, but you may be right Andy

beautybubble [8:07 PM]
I see that @charlieshrem is in the channel.  Maybe if he came forward in the conversation we can settle things once and for all.

fatman3001 [8:07 PM]
Hi all

mrhodl [8:07 PM]
English please

charlieshrem [8:08 PM]
Hmm?

fatman3001 [8:08 PM]
Hi csw

mrhodl [8:08 PM]
Hi Charlie

beautybubble [8:08 PM]
Oh, there you are!

andy [8:08 PM]
some us think.  the thoughtful ones are the silent types though.

charlieshrem [8:08 PM]
HI

andy [8:08 PM]
heya charlie

beautybubble [8:08 PM]
I think we need your sensible self injected here Charlie.

charlieshrem [8:08 PM]
Regarding?

beautybubble [8:09 PM]
I guess people are having an issue believing the @csw is indeed himself.

jp [8:09 PM]
Why would we need this guy? Core shiller

charlieshrem [8:09 PM]
OK

[8:09]
I asked him the same question

alp
[8:09 PM]
jp seems to be on some kind of drugs

[8:09]
its funny when aquent is the voice of reason in a room


iang [8:09 PM]
icecream :disappointed:

andrewquentson [8:10 PM]
always voice of reason

beautybubble [8:10 PM]
And are you satisfied that it is indeed Craig?

charlieshrem [8:10 PM]
I can confirm @csw emailed me to verify from 2 emails, @ncrypt.com and @rcjbr.org

jp [8:10 PM]
First of all, this is not an investigation nor an interrogation.

beautybubble [8:10 PM]
Thank you so much.

alp
[8:10 PM]
its whatever we want it to be jp

cypherblock [8:11 PM]
@csw that medium post you linked to before doesn’t have any papers you wrote linked. Do you have some papers you’ve written as csw that you could post links to?

awemany [8:11 PM]
lets get to some issues: how does the aleph1 SHA256 work? I really like to have input on that, because although it sounds all nice, this one actually is a gaping hole in the above arguments, as far as I can see.

csw [8:11 PM]
Not at hand.

beautybubble [8:11 PM]
And it is good to have you around.  My prayers for your safe return back home were heard.

andy [8:12 PM]
Wow.  B is going parabolic isn't it?

jp [8:12 PM]
1625

cypherblock [8:13 PM]
are there any papers of yours online at all? I really haven’t seen anything academic written by you. Maybe someone else here has links?

iang [8:13 PM]
I actually don’t follow that either.  Although SHA256 has infinite input, it is only used with a fixed length.  So in effect we have SHA256bis which has a finite input.  But I’m not a real cryptographer, I just play one on slack.

csw [8:13 PM]
AweM... As there is not a means to have a infinite input stream into SHA 256, it remains a discussion that is academic and not one that lends itself to slack

awemany [8:14 PM]
we've been discussing that in terms of collisions, and after rethinking it, it doesn't appear to make sense. so I am really curious if you could provide a solid argument on this (edited)

iang [8:14 PM]
I miss whiteboards :disappointed:

macsga [8:18 PM]
I don't :slightly_smiling_face:

fatman3001 [8:19 PM]
apologies to @csw , but I do think it's significant that SN is back (among the living? I assumed he was dead). If I've understood you're trying to create an entity or venue to compete with the ideas promoted by core. BU is such a thing, but a new branch with some well known names and gravitas is significant.

macsga [8:19 PM]
Yes, projected value is 11500 USD
andy
Wow.  B is going parabolic isn't it?
Posted in #generalToday at 8:12 PM

fatman3001 [8:19 PM]
can someone point me to the short and dirty of what the gameplan is?

csw [8:20 PM]
Open competition


agreenberg [8:20 PM]
joined #general. Also, @david joined.

andrewquentson [8:20 PM]
right

csw [8:20 PM]
Capitalism in its purest form and in true libertarian format

andrewquentson [8:20 PM]
I guess you're sort of not asking for attention now either.....

tomothy
[8:20 PM]
And would segwit impact open competition?

andrewquentson [8:20 PM]
welcome @agreenberg

wings [8:21 PM]
@csw  but there will be hardfork with Core-btc or not ? (edited)

alp
[8:21 PM]
patents and closed source -> open competition lulz
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andrewquentson [8:21 PM]
I was putting @csw through a test @agreenberg

[8:21]
I asked him something which is public knowledge

[8:21]
but assumed he wouldn't know

[8:21]
the question is simple

csw [8:21 PM]
SegWit adds incentives for off chain systems at the expense of the main system.,

andrewquentson [8:21 PM]
How did Adam Back come to his attention, and by his I mean Satoshi's of course

[8:22]
he hasn't replied

[8:22]
with an answer

csw [8:22 PM]
And A...Q... desires that I answer things in a manner I do not wish to.

andrewquentson [8:22 PM]
no no

[8:22]
its public knowledge

iang [8:22 PM]
@fatman3001 SN isn’t back.  SN is dead.  What’s happening is that some of the old team are now doing something … more in the public eye.  And no longer caring.


andrewquentson [8:22 PM]
you dont know the answer

[8:22]
if you do state it

[8:22]
well

[8:22]
if you were satoshi

tomothy
[8:22 PM]
I think that was covered this morning. Did you read the paste bin?

travin [8:22 PM]
Andrew can't read.

checksum0 [8:22 PM]
I guess not, reading is hard

tomothy
[8:22 PM]
Oh.

[8:23]
Talk about a rock and a hard spot then.

macsga [8:23 PM]
@andrewquentson he did gave an answer

tomothy
[8:23 PM]
You might not like it.

fatman3001 [8:23 PM]
_csw [8:20 PM]
Open competition_

F*cking brilliant
pardon my french

snoop [8:23 PM]
Andrew Q does not read

andrewquentson [8:23 PM]
he hasn't given the answer

[8:23]
if he did, what is it?

csw [8:23 PM]
Yes, there seems to be this idea that we can force others to our will in here.

macsga [8:23 PM]
@fatman3001 :heart:

tomothy
[8:23 PM]
Hasn't given you the answer you want. Awwwwwwww


csw [8:24 PM]
That you have a right to an answer of a question that yu decide you want to ask

andrewquentson [8:24 PM]
no, he hasn't give the answer

[8:24]
the question has one answer

tomothy
[8:24 PM]
Well, that's an answer in and of itself.

macsga [8:24 PM]
@andrewquentson yes, the one YOU want

[8:24]
google it man

[8:24]
paste it here

jp [8:24 PM]
He is just a retard one.

csw [8:24 PM]
Is that it A...Q...? Do you think that you decide who and how ?
That you get to force a response?

andrewquentson [8:24 PM]
pardon?

snoop [8:25 PM]
AQ is an "Authority"


tomothy
[8:25 PM]
Do you not read English?

klee [8:25 PM]
Andrew try picking up a girl in a bar

[8:25]
and leave us alone


jp [8:25 PM]
Retard can't read

andrewquentson [8:25 PM]
I simply asked a question

[8:25]
you chose to not answer it

snoop [8:25 PM]
AQ has hurt feelings.

macsga [8:25 PM]
Ok, on with the tech questions; some pretty significant stuff has been said in here today

csw [8:25 PM]
In the last year, I have learnt to deal with media better A...Q...

You asked, but you offer nothing of value


andrewquentson [8:26 PM]
thats like asking a 5 year old whats 1+1

alp
[8:26 PM]
they are ganging up on you aquent, seems like you are on the right track.

jp [8:26 PM]
Mommy he doesn't answer me. Mommy!!!

andrewquentson [8:26 PM]
and they dont provide an answer

csw [8:26 PM]
Do you understand value AQ

checksum0 [8:26 PM]
OH snap

beautybubble [8:26 PM]
I do believe if we all knew a little bit about intention on social networks we would see that @csw is coming to this SLACK with good intention and has a purpose.

andrewquentson [8:26 PM]
can I assume they don't know it?

[8:26]
maybeeeeeeeeeee you do

alp
[8:26 PM]
lol

csw [8:26 PM]
Free exchange?

snoop [8:26 PM]
Alp = ass

andrewquentson [8:26 PM]
but what is my little brain to rationally conclude

alp
[8:26 PM]
scammer coming with good purpsose and intent? lol

tomothy
[8:26 PM]
Alp just feels left out

alp
[8:26 PM]
lol

macsga [8:26 PM]
VINNY!

klee [8:26 PM]
alp-aca

cobra-bitcoin [8:26 PM]
joined #general

macsga [8:26 PM]
did you buy the dips in XRP?

tomothy
[8:26 PM]
We can throw the ball back and forth. I'll be your daddy, we can play catch.

checksum0 [8:26 PM]
Oh my god...

snoop [8:27 PM]
Alp=AQ ?

checksum0 [8:27 PM]
The trolls are pouring in

andrewquentson [8:27 PM]
cute, hi @cobra-bitcoin

mrhodl [8:27 PM]
lol

tomothy
[8:27 PM]
No, alp = alfonse.

andrewquentson [8:27 PM]
how did you become maintainer of bitcoin.org?

snoop [8:27 PM]
Null=Alp=AQ

cypherblock [8:27 PM]
can someone just post the answer to @andrewquentson question here so we can move on. Not you csw, I mean someone else. (edited)

alp
[8:27 PM]
left out of what, an orgy with michele seven?

macsga [8:27 PM]
in reality he's NotLambChop

csw [8:27 PM]
A...Q..  == Andrew Quentson

cobra-bitcoin [8:27 PM]
Hey, more active than I expected in here

alp
[8:27 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin welcome its a good time

mrhodl [8:27 PM]
Craig in the house.

tomothy
[8:27 PM]
Omg is he nlc?

alp
[8:27 PM]
craigs groupies are here white knighting and aquent is ripping him a new one

checksum0 [8:28 PM]
All we are missing is Greg now I guess...

freetrader [8:28 PM]
>A...Q..  == Andrew Quentson
fark me, I though it stood for "Answer ... Question"

jp [8:28 PM]
Racist ... I'm a black knight lol

macsga [8:28 PM]
@alp ma man where have you been all this time

csw [8:28 PM]
And now A...Q... wants answers about a site run in 2008 from a VPN line to a Malaysian system owned and operated bu the same people who run Vistomail.

travin [8:28 PM]
Call him Aquent

andrewquentson [8:28 PM]
THE ANSWER IS KNOWN

beautybubble [8:28 PM]
Well, let's deal with it now.

mrhodl [8:28 PM]
lol

andrewquentson [8:28 PM]
satoshi would defo know it

[8:28]
adam back knows it

tomothy
[8:29 PM]
Don't answer! Lol!

andrewquentson [8:29 PM]
its not even fully private

fatman3001 [8:29 PM]
_csw [8:21 PM]
SegWit adds incentives for off chain systems at the expense of the main system.,_

This one has been bugging me. I've tried to prod core guys about whether they've looked at the consequences of this and thus far I haven't gotten a good reply. I understand they can code and all, but incentive structures need to be researched by people with an insight into systems and economics. The closest I got to an answer was : "Yes, the incentive structure will change."

Other than that I'm sure Segwit is a marble of engineering.

andrewquentson [8:29 PM]
its public

klee [8:29 PM]
let us all post random shit, it will be more readable

mrhodl [8:29 PM]
This is what you're going with Craig?

macsga [8:29 PM]
Adam Back is SN

[8:29]
invite him here

beautybubble [8:29 PM]
You can use search in SLACK and just see one poster.

andy [8:29 PM]
AQ he's not seeking to prove he's SN.  How many times does that need stated to you?

andrewquentson [8:29 PM]
course he seeking to prove he satoshi

[8:29]
he felew gavin there

[8:29]
gave him some...

csw [8:29 PM]
Fatman3001

tomothy
[8:29 PM]
No, read the sarte article

andrewquentson [8:29 PM]
and now...

macsga [8:29 PM]
@andrewquentson because your word counts ?

tomothy
[8:29 PM]
Read his prior responses

csw [8:30 PM]
The incentives move from mining to "softer" options allowing for easier chages

andrewquentson [8:30 PM]
anyway @agreenberg just thought to let you know, tred as you please

cryptonaut [8:30 PM]
@andrewquentson if it's publicly known then how would him repeating it prove anything?

[8:30]
seems silly

cobra-bitcoin [8:30 PM]
Is this actually Craig lmao?

andrewquentson [8:30 PM]
because he cant

macsga [8:30 PM]
no, it's not! It's what @andrewquentson wants

csw [8:30 PM]
As the answer is not the public one.

andrewquentson [8:30 PM]
I mean he has had hours of googling opportunity

[8:30]
and still cant......

jp [8:30 PM]
Yea. Adam back is SN. Craig is con man. Leave him alone

andrewquentson [8:30 PM]
if he could he would have jumped

csw [8:30 PM]
Segwit also makes the introduction of protocol change far easier than it should be. This is not simple a slippery slope argument, it means that developers and others who are not invested in the system (and I mean economically invested) can make changes that impact the wider system.

andrewquentson [8:30 PM]
like he did saying gewrn's blog is wrong

csw [8:31 PM]
Moving TxID = H(Tx, Sig) into TxID = H(Tx) plus Sig makes block validation less likely and extends verification

andrewquentson [8:31 PM]
the blog does not even mention it!

[8:31]
it says how wei came to satoshis attention

[8:31]
but not how adam back.............

[8:31]
tsssssssssssssss

[8:31]
FAIL

iang [8:31 PM]
yeah I get it.  It’s a worry - the Bitcoin governance layer isn’t really set up.  But what would I know.

csw [8:31 PM]
LOL A...Q...

tomothy
[8:31 PM]
Oh, thoughts on parallel validation?

andrewquentson [8:31 PM]
its not a laughing matter sir

[8:31]
its a very serious matter

tomothy
[8:32 PM]
No. No it isn't

travin [8:32 PM]
No, Aquent, can't be serious.

macsga [8:32 PM]
@andrewquentson WTaF? stop it man

andrewquentson [8:32 PM]
it so is he fucking ruined Gavin and the big blocker movement in 2016

csw [8:36 PM]
You do understand that a reference is not a pointer to stat that one is an authority?


klee [8:36 PM]
STOP IT!
I WANNA SHORT LTC

[8:36]
thx

andrewquentson [8:36 PM]
should I tell him guys?

[8:36]
I'm just worried he'll use it next time

csw [8:37 PM]
LOL

andrewquentson [8:37 PM]
ITS NOT FUNNY

megalodon
[8:37 PM]
we're all dying to know...

andy [8:37 PM]
LOL

jp [8:37 PM]
R3kt

megalodon
[8:37 PM]
:face_with_rolling_eyes:

andrewquentson [8:37 PM]
I mean it might be funny for us, others

tomothy
[8:37 PM]
LMFAO@

checksum0 [8:37 PM]
IT IS FUNNY AS HELL

andrewquentson [8:37 PM]
but

jp [8:37 PM]
Short btc now and close at 400.

[8:37]
Triple vinanny

tomothy
[8:37 PM]
LOLLLLL

andrewquentson [8:37 PM]
ITS NOT FUNNY

andy [8:37 PM]
HAHA

checksum0 [8:37 PM]
IT IS

jp [8:37 PM]
100x guys

[8:37]
Or 500x Yolo

csw [8:37 PM]
NO A...Q.. you are in fact a little funny.

tomothy
[8:37 PM]
Please, say it a few more times

macsga [8:37 PM]
SHOTR TEH COIZN

csw [8:38 PM]
I have not engaged in this before, and I see why so little work is done. (edited)

klee [8:38 PM]
SHOTR ALL THE COINZ

iang [8:38 PM]
I think it’s a little sad… seeing so much opportunity go to such a waste.


andrewquentson [8:38 PM]
really

mrhodl [8:38 PM]
Wait, who here believes CSW is Satoshi, raise your :raised_hands:

2 replies Last reply today at 8:39 PM View thread

jp [8:38 PM]
SHOTR Satoshi loll at csw price, close at Adam back profit

klee [8:38 PM]
me

macsga [8:38 PM]
:raised_hands:

megalodon
[8:38 PM]
:raised_hand:

iang [8:38 PM]
What is belief?

cypherblock [8:38 PM]
@andrewquentson doesn’t scronty claim to have brought hashcash into the equation so to speak

csw [8:38 PM]
Please don't

tomothy
[8:39 PM]
Part of a team of four, yes.

nitram [8:39 PM]
joined #general

jp [8:39 PM]
Die shitcoin die

andrewquentson [8:39 PM]
don't matter @cypherblock

klee [8:39 PM]
Make a future contract at BMEX: Is CSW Satoshi?

pesa [8:39 PM]
:raised_hands:


andrewquentson [8:39 PM]
this guy was given a social test

macsga [8:39 PM]
1700 in finex

csw [8:39 PM]
No, scronty and I did not work together.

andrewquentson [8:39 PM]
from public knowledge

[8:39]
its an F

tomothy
[8:39 PM]
Totally an f

jp [8:39 PM]
Tomorrow: hashcash ICO raise 30M USD issued token on ethtard

fatman3001 [8:39 PM]
@csw ok, so the integrity of the network is attacked both by steering incentives off course and by softening the ultimate safeguards of the network. I thought this was accounted for somehow. Ugh...

andrewquentson [8:39 PM]
the answer doesnt have anything else but x

mrhodl [8:39 PM]
:joy::joy:

klee [8:40 PM]
POLO REKT

andrewquentson [8:40 PM]
I mean I can reveal it but I think he'd prob just use it next time

klee [8:40 PM]
IT IS HAPPENING

macsga [8:40 PM]
invite Scronty here

tomothy
[8:40 PM]
Fatman, it is, that's why it wasn't adopted

snoop [8:40 PM]
"STOP LAUGHING AT ME!!!!" - AQ

macsga [8:40 PM]
I like his l33t haxx0r site

[8:40]
AQ is Scronty?

[8:40]
:smile:

csw [8:40 PM]
Fatman3001, the weight is set centrally in effect, this removal of market based controls means that a central authority gets to control the payments.


cryptonaut [8:40 PM]
@andrewquentson just spit it out already

andrewquentson [8:40 PM]
it takes balls tho csw

[8:40]
big ones

[8:41]
to come in here, with your background

csw [8:41 PM]
If you think this through, and note that payment is attributed by a central body, can I ask you to follow the money?


andrewquentson [8:41 PM]
and claim you are satoshi nakamoto


jp [8:41 PM]
Kleecumming vinaaaayyy longcorn at 850

cobra-bitcoin [8:41 PM]
No doubt he has balls that's for sure

andrewquentson [8:41 PM]
how did you decide to do just that?

csw [8:41 PM]
And what background is that A...Q..

beautybubble [8:41 PM]
Well I am ready to read any collaterals on the project.  If you wanted to post them @csw - Thank you.

mrhodl [8:41 PM]
Easy to have balls when you have the State backing you up

andrewquentson [8:41 PM]
well

nitram [8:41 PM]
let's solve this once and for all...

jp [8:41 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin  which alts to buy tmrw?

andrewquentson [8:41 PM]
there is no evidence of a supercomputer


klee [8:41 PM]
@beautybubble your twitter id?

cobra-bitcoin [8:41 PM]
Satoshi is it OK if the white paper gets updated?


andrewquentson [8:41 PM]
the ATA sort of wants to talk to you

beautybubble [8:41 PM]
Same as this handle.

awemany [8:41 PM]
lol

andrewquentson [8:42 PM]
you mispell in public forums


csw [8:42 PM]
White papers are not updated.


nitram [8:42 PM]
@csw do you like rick and morty? that will reveal your true character

andrewquentson [8:42 PM]
you have a linked in that lists many degrees which dont exist

beautybubble [8:42 PM]
https://twitter.com/BeautyBubble
twitter.com
Just Find Me...Okay (@BeautyBubble) | Twitter
The latest Tweets from Just Find Me...Okay (@BeautyBubble). Donations | Tips | Thank Me w. BTC 1N4XyVTpR84neGC9RmQzjz1fn3mmZSwYcZ. Private


csw [8:42 PM]
Not in the form it is.

mrhodl [8:42 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin Yes, it's def time.

andrewquentson [8:42 PM]
you dont know how you became aware of Adam back

mrhodl [8:42 PM]
What are you waiting for

andrewquentson [8:42 PM]
you gave us all a fake signature

beautybubble [8:42 PM]
Okay.

jp [8:42 PM]
Corn at 850

andrewquentson [8:42 PM]
and dunno

cobra-bitcoin [8:43 PM]
But it's your paper, it's OK with you if the incorrect stuff gets changed?

iang [8:43 PM]
I don’t think of it is a whitepaper, it’s a paper to me.

beautybubble [8:43 PM]
FYI.  Twitter always includes your latest pinned tweet to your handle URL.

[8:43]
No solicitation meant whatsoever in me posting my handle.

klee [8:43 PM]
blackpaper

csw [8:43 PM]
I asked you to read a letter from Satre. I see that was more than one could expect

klee [8:43 PM]
black pepper

[8:43]
PEPPER YOUR ANGUS

jp [8:43 PM]
Short the fuck out of polo lolll

[8:43]
1702

tomothy
[8:43 PM]
Aquent see the documents Vlad posted the other day

iang [8:44 PM]
see - I told you you needed 2 phones


csw [8:44 PM]
And what incorrect stuff?

cypherblock [8:44 PM]
@csw I remember you talking a while back about releasing some write up on bitcoin simulations you were running. Did you ever do that?

klee [8:44 PM]
signal to noise ratio = ???

csw [8:45 PM]
CobraBTC... What is incorrect in the paper?

jp [8:45 PM]
Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising


csw [8:45 PM]
Cypher Block

cobra-bitcoin [8:45 PM]
Confirmed definitely not Satoshi, Satoshi never called me "CobraBTC", ew

csw [8:45 PM]
These were delayed. Moving to the UK and children...

[8:45]
LOL

jp [8:45 PM]
Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising

macsga [8:46 PM]
this troll house is worse than @klee 's

jp [8:46 PM]
Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising

tomothy [8:46 PM]
Cypherblock can you link text?

jp [8:46 PM]
Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising

fatman3001 [8:46 PM]
@csw @andrewquentson one day we can arrange to have Craig on an episode of "Who do you think you are?" and all this can be settled.

klee [8:46 PM]
ltc on gox

awemany [8:46 PM]
jp, what's the reason to spam this?

cypherblock [8:46 PM]
no, just remember.

iang [8:46 PM]
@newliberty can you kick @jp’s phone, it’s broken

macsga [8:46 PM]
@tomothy what is text

jp [8:46 PM]
Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising

alp
[8:46 PM]
lol

[8:46]
Move along guys.  Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising

tomothy
[8:46 PM]
Whatever he's asked csw and csw has responded to, answer but no ?

awemany [8:46 PM]
@bitsko , please kck jp, there seems to be a problem indeed

mrhodl [8:47 PM]
Wait, @csw you have spoken to @cobra-bitcoin , right?

alp
[8:47 PM]
you cant kick from the main channel

macsga [8:47 PM]
:boot:

tomothy
[8:47 PM]
Anti kick slack. Accept the suffering. Like finding Nirvana.

jp [8:47 PM]
Lol. Match troll level

csw [8:47 PM]
No, I am not confirming certain things. Not in any public manner.

[8:47]
:slightly_smiling_face:

klee [8:47 PM]
:awesome:

freetrader [8:47 PM]
https://bitco.in/forum/threads/general-bitcoin-slack-unaffiliated-unmoderated.2073/
says "unmoderated" right there, bitsko just staying true to his word (edited)

bitsko [8:47 PM]
Im not kicking anyone guys. I dislike it philosophically. This is we we cant have nice things like scaling.


awemany [8:48 PM]
i was assuming this was a client malfunction

alp
[8:48 PM]
will you kick me ifi post horse pr0n?

xhiggy [8:48 PM]
Yes

beautybubble [8:48 PM]
And un-moderated conversational social network is the ideal!

tomothy
[8:48 PM]
Oh. Um.

xhiggy [8:48 PM]
I mean, please do

jp [8:48 PM]
Now I like you alp

mrhodl [8:48 PM]
@csw You're not confirming that you've spoken to @cobra-bitcoin in the past?

bitsko [8:48 PM]
You make me sad alp

tomothy
[8:48 PM]
Lol

luke-jr [8:48 PM]
@mrhodl that could be falsified, so ofc he won't

beautybubble [8:48 PM]
Thank you @bitsko for doing your best to keep it that way.

mrhodl [8:48 PM]
@csw You're digging yourself a hole here.

luke-jr [8:49 PM]
@mrhodl he's already buried

mrhodl [8:49 PM]
We have multiple people in this channel that spoken to Satoshi. You can put all of this to rest right now @csw (edited)

macsga [8:49 PM]
@luke-jr fork this mofo

ajd [8:49 PM]
Happy belated parity day luke-jr

macsga [8:49 PM]
die shitcoin - we all jump into SEXWITH

cypherblock [8:49 PM]
@mrhodl except he doesn’t want to prove he is satoshi

[8:49]
or he can’t

klee [8:49 PM]
@luke-jr how is segwit going? hahahhahaha


cypherblock [8:50 PM]
but we cant tell difference

cobra-bitcoin [8:50 PM]
Let's just ignore Craig, he's not interesting anymore :disappointed:

mrhodl [8:50 PM]
Yeah

klee [8:50 PM]
@luke-jr no worries bro, you can still r&d in LTShit!!!

macsga [8:50 PM]
KLEE IS HERE

ajd [8:50 PM]
Why does it matter if he's Satoshi?

tomothy
[8:50 PM]
That's silly. If sn was part of a team of 4 doesn't matter

luke-jr [8:50 PM]
@mrhodl already, nobody with a clue takes @csw seriously; his best hope of getting involved is to pretend the whole pretend-Satoshi thing never happened and start contributing for real


checksum0 [8:50 PM]
So I guess you can leave then if you don't find the reason you are here interesting anymore...

macsga [8:50 PM]
I'm Satoshi bitches deal with it

[8:50]
let me forkr it

cypherblock [8:50 PM]
well you guys came here to see csw. why come here just to pester him. See what he has to say. it either makes sense or does not.

cobra-bitcoin [8:51 PM]
Didn't come here for Craig, wanted to see how active it was in here in general

csw [8:51 PM]
Well, I will leave you all. Have fun - I am off to have a t-bone :slightly_smiling_face:


luke-jr [8:51 PM]
@cypherblock I came here cuz I was invited.

mrhodl [8:51 PM]
HAhahahahahahahahahahahha

tomothy
[8:51 PM]
Do you know of any patents that cover segwit? Can you discuss?

fatman3001 [8:51 PM]
bye csw

jp [8:51 PM]
Muahahha. Super rare bloody t bone

tomothy
[8:51 PM]
Enjoy lunch!

cypherblock [8:51 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin @luke-jr your lucky day then :slightly_smiling_face:

cobra-bitcoin [8:51 PM]
Bye Craig

macsga [8:51 PM]
there he left us all alone with @luke-jr

luke-jr [8:51 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin what criteria do you want to see before UASF is allowed on bitcoin.org ?

megalodon
[8:51 PM]
toodles

beautybubble [8:51 PM]
Thank you for time and honesty.

klee [8:51 PM]
rip the t-bone

cobra-bitcoin [8:52 PM]
UASF will never be allowed on bitcoin.org, bitcoin.org is for bitcoin, not altcoins


macsga [8:52 PM]
and WHERE'S VINNY?

[8:52]
did he buy teh dip?

klee [8:52 PM]
buying shitcoins

luke-jr [8:52 PM]
guess I should be asking that on the uasf channel

mrhodl [8:52 PM]
Cobra...not *yet* :wink:

jp [8:52 PM]
He is sending more coins to his underwater position

luke-jr [8:52 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin bitcoin.org is anti-softfork now?

freetrader [8:52 PM]
Where can i buy BTU-AsF

megalodon
[8:52 PM]
so can we all agree that segwit diehards can focus on LTShit and leave bitcoin to the big boys? :sunglasses:

klee [8:52 PM]
AMEN

macsga [8:53 PM]
yeah

luke-jr [8:53 PM]
@megalodon I'd sooner make a new altcoin

macsga [8:53 PM]
LTC IZ DA FUTURZ

beautybubble [8:53 PM]
I will be on the #random channel.

megalodon
[8:53 PM]
oh you mean UASF ?

mrhodl [8:53 PM]
@luke-jr @cobra-bitcoin Not here.

cobra-bitcoin [8:53 PM]
@luke-jr bitcoin.org is against hostile takeover of the network unless it has overwhelmbing consensus

klee [8:53 PM]
LTC-jr?


jp [8:53 PM]
Corn just crash to 400 and quickly crashing more.

megalodon
[8:53 PM]
because tahts what that would be, an alt coin

macsga [8:54 PM]
DIE SHITCOIN

[8:54]
buy all alts dips boys

luke-jr [8:54 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin so the question is, what criteria do you use to determine overwhelming consensus?
1 reply Today at 9:02 PM View thread

macsga [8:54 PM]
sorry, wrong window, I thought I was typing that in FONTASS slack

cobra-bitcoin [8:55 PM]
@luke-jr All the stakeholders agree, so almost all the miners, users, developers, overall economy, etc

jp [8:55 PM]
You have been fontasssed

klee [8:55 PM]
Vinnied

luke-jr [8:55 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin and segwit doesn't have that?


jp [8:55 PM]
Yayayyayanayyvinnay

bitsko [8:55 PM]
Now i worry we will run out of free 10000 before i get home lol thanks trolls

andy [8:55 PM]
This is the weirdest day ever.


checksum0 [8:56 PM]
I guess this slack became bitcoin.org slack using the free 10000

cobra-bitcoin [8:56 PM]
@luke-jr Nope, a lot of miners are against segwit, and lots of users too unless it comes with a block size increase, so it should never be pushed through as a UASF


macsga [8:56 PM]
@bitsko we know this, managed to troll everyone in klee's slack within 2days

luke-jr [8:56 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin it does come with a block size increase..

wings [8:57 PM]
@klee how is XOF doing ? :stuck_out_tongue:


cypherblock [8:57 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin “all the stakeholders” all is a pretty strong criteria.

luke-jr [8:57 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin there's only like 2 miners opposed, and pretty few users

fatman3001 [8:57 PM]
@andy _"This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone."_

mrhodl [8:57 PM]
Miners? Here i thought it was just asic manufacturer.

cobra-bitcoin [8:57 PM]
@luke-jr People don't feel that it does enough

megalodon
[8:57 PM]
ay fatman come back to klee's slack :stuck_out_tongue:

macsga [8:57 PM]
yeah we missed you black cat

luke-jr [8:57 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin I don't get that impression at all. Everyone seems to want it except trolls.


fatman3001 [8:57 PM]
@megalodon I never left

mrhodl [8:57 PM]
What does "feelings" have anything to do with it?

macsga [8:58 PM]
we have none to troll and we troll each other

mrhodl [8:58 PM]
It's either a blocksize increase or it's not.

megalodon
[8:58 PM]
send the ol' boy an invite!

jp [8:58 PM]
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Btc hits 9000 and quickly rising.

vlad2vlad [8:58 PM]
What you people done to this channel?  lol

mrhodl [8:58 PM]
Segwit IS a blocksize increase. I wish it wasn't


nicosey [8:58 PM]
joined #general

macsga [8:58 PM]
lol

vlad2vlad [8:58 PM]
I'm gone 2 hours and it's trolled to death

cobra-bitcoin [8:58 PM]
@luke-jr So then if everyone wants it, let it go through the usual fork process instead of forcing it on others with a UASF?


macsga [8:58 PM]
they started this!


ajd [8:58 PM]
You don't think calling everyone who doesn't want segwit a troll is problematic?

luke-jr [8:58 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin UASF is the usual fork process


mrhodl [8:59 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin Asicboost is in the way

alp
[8:59 PM]
@ajd: there are not just trolls against it, morons too

luke-jr [8:59 PM]
or at least UESF is

bitsko [8:59 PM]
Please pm me any pastebins or recordings thx. I have the first one

freetrader [8:59 PM]
UASF == the road to POS or POW change

mrhodl [8:59 PM]
No one is stopping any from forking

freetrader [8:59 PM]
so sad it wasn't demo'ed on LTC first

luke-jr [8:59 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin just because segwit was first proposed with activation delegated to miners means it can't be un-delegated?

mrhodl [9:00 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin You think bip9 isn't a mistake?

cobra-bitcoin [9:00 PM]
@luke-jr If it has so much support, then it shouldn't need bitcoin.org to help you here


luke-jr [9:00 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin I agree, but bitcoin.org could interfere potentially


ajd [9:00 PM]
I argued that bip9 was a mistake from the time it was proposed.

luke-jr [9:01 PM]
anyway, time for #bitcoin-core-dev meeting, bbl

andrewquentson [9:01 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin how exactly did you get to become maintainer of bitcoin.org?


luke-jr [9:01 PM]
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-core-dev

klee [9:01 PM]
you mean #litecoin-core-dev


checksum0 [9:01 PM]
Oh look, the cop is back...

ajd [9:01 PM]
#blockstream-core-dev

freetrader [9:02 PM]
Agenda Item 1: stop the brain drain

tomothy
[9:02 PM]
I don't want segwit and I don't want uasf


andrewquentson [9:02 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin are you satoshi?


ajd [9:02 PM]
" To gracefully upgrade and ensure no long-lasting block-chain split occurs, more than 50% of miners must support full validation of the new transaction type and must switch from the old validation rules to the new rules at the same time. "

andrewquentson [9:02 PM]
How did you get maintainer status?


[9:03]
Answer me, I don't like it when people don't answer, it leaves everyone to have to assume


[9:03]
which means they can speculate...


checksum0 [9:03 PM]
The authority is demanding answer guys

freetrader [9:03 PM]
pick up that can

tomothy
[9:03 PM]
I'm sorry aquent this has to be awful for you lol

ajd [9:03 PM]
UASF is just doublespeak for a developer activated soft fork anyway


checksum0 [9:04 PM]
Aquent can't not _not_ know you know?

cobra-bitcoin [9:04 PM]
Pretty true, most people just download whatever is pushed on to them on the most visited sites

andrewquentson [9:04 PM]
yes, snake

[9:04]
HOW DID YOU GET MAINTAINER STATUS OF BITCOIN.ORG?


ajd [9:05 PM]
Is this the new question you're going to ask 15000 times?

snoop [9:05 PM]
Please don't yell, AQ.

checksum0 [9:05 PM]
How much did you drink today Aquent?

freetrader [9:06 PM]
I don't like it when people don't answer the question.

cobra-bitcoin [9:06 PM]
Andrew, how long have you been in bitcoin? You're asking the most basic questions that is very public knowledge

andrewquentson [9:06 PM]
really?

snoop [9:06 PM]
Yes, AQ. Really.

andrewquentson [9:07 PM]
its public knowledge how you came to become maintainer of bitcoin.org?


iang [9:07 PM]
He didn’t answer my question, either.  I didn’t like it :cry:


mastodon [9:07 PM]
I asked csw "What's a bitcoin" to no response - he's  obviously not Satoshi


snoop [9:07 PM]
But Ian does not yell when he does not get his own way.


checksum0 [9:07 PM]
I don't feel so good when answers are left unanswered


[9:08]
I think I'll have to drink to compensate...


jp [9:08 PM]
AQ needs some diapers


iang [9:08 PM]
@mastodon … there is a video about that somewhere.


snoop [9:08 PM]
Let's not Bully AQ. Let's help him understand his problem.


jp [9:09 PM]
AQ ICO issue on Ethtard network


andrewquentson [9:09 PM]
Who cares about my problem, question is how does some random guy get maintainer status of bitcoin.org


beautybubble [9:09 PM]
There is a wonderful platform called Medium that is very useful for these questions.  It allows for everyone to answer.  Just an idea.


snoop [9:09 PM]
Right. We hear you AQ.


checksum0 [9:10 PM]
Your problem affect us all AQ


beautybubble [9:10 PM]
Or a Q & A channel would work.


ajd [9:10 PM]
That question answers itself.


checksum0 [9:10 PM]
We understand, don't worry, the first step is to accept it.


andrewquentson [9:10 PM]
it works perfectly fine here too @beautybubble


[9:11]
and dont think just because now he might be supporting one thing or another


[9:11]
you wont get the same thing in your face


[9:11]
there is a reason why norms, conventions, holding ppl to accnt, etc, exists


beautybubble [9:11 PM]
Okay.  So, then, what is your deal?  I mean the questions for days and then it feels as though you don't like the answers.


andrewquentson [9:11 PM]
there is a reason why some random guy cant go into apple and just run the company


beautybubble [9:12 PM]
I mean you can't keep that up.


checksum0 [9:12 PM]
Yes yes, the authority needs to hold people accountable


alp
[9:12 PM]
csw: that's not a fork, THIS IS  A FORK


checksum0 [9:12 PM]
We understand, don'T worry


snoop [9:12 PM]
You tell' everyone AQ. We got your back.


checksum0 [9:12 PM]
At least luke is being entertaining


ajd [9:13 PM]
The only way a random guy can achieve something is randomly.


andrewquentson [9:13 PM]
I'd call it distracting


[9:13]
but


[9:13]
whatever


ajd [9:13 PM]
Or by being a guy, I guess.


andrewquentson [9:13 PM]
let it be a playground


checksum0 [9:13 PM]
Luke the authority find it distracting, please stop.


andrewquentson [9:13 PM]
that will persuade anyone on the sidelines to take any participant in the bitcoin space seriously


macsga [9:13 PM]
who is authority


[9:13]
klee?


jp [9:14 PM]
Kleecumming vinaay for bitcoin president 2020


macsga [9:14 PM]
VINNY


[9:14]
LUV


ajd [9:14 PM]
Wow seriously, that's a core dev being a baby with the reactions?


jp [9:14 PM]
Qora with love


andrewquentson [9:14 PM]
@luke-jr why are you triggered? Are you @cobra-bitcoin ?


macsga [9:14 PM]
no, he's not. He's NotLambChop


[9:15]
he's just using @luke-jr slack


jp [9:16 PM]
T bone babe.


[9:16]
Lambo choo choo.


[9:17]
Buy qora at 1 sat, pump to 100sat. F I L T H Y


andrewquentson [9:17 PM]
Are you alirght @jp?


tomothy
[9:17 PM]
I don't like it when people don't answer the question.


jp [9:17 PM]
Buy qora and diem now AQ


[9:18]
We will fontas it


andrewquentson [9:18 PM]
Are you the actual jp, jp, can you verify?


cryptonaut [9:18 PM]
nice work turning this into a troll fest guys


checksum0 [9:18 PM]
He makes about as much sense as you


andrewquentson [9:18 PM]
in the usual ways, you know, twitter, no need for descartes philosophy


tomothy
[9:18 PM]
Aquent do you like it when people don't answer the question? (edited)


jp [9:18 PM]
Very fontas much wow


checksum0 [9:18 PM]
The authority demand to have proof of your identity


cryptonaut [9:18 PM]
luke-jr just discovering emojis after coming out of his IRC cave


jp [9:19 PM]
LUKEJR emoji ICO raised 30M and quickly rising


cryptonaut [9:19 PM]
lmao


checksum0 [9:20 PM]
I don't think I ever had that much fun in the span of a few hours...


tomothy
[9:20 PM]
We need more slack emojis


jp [9:20 PM]
Vinanny kleecumminggg ICO 800 corns sold all after 1 hr


beautybubble [9:21 PM]
How many SLACK emoji's are there?


checksum0 [9:21 PM]
Not enough obviously


[9:21]
Also, not enough to silence the authority


beautybubble [9:21 PM]
I think I can do a spreadsheet and have a projection of when this will end.


cryptonaut [9:21 PM]
you can create custom ones


beautybubble [9:21 PM]
Oh, no!


cryptonaut [9:21 PM]
lol


tomothy
[9:22 PM]
There's a slack emoji website they have animated ones. They're amazing.


beautybubble [9:22 PM]
There used to be a SLACK bot that counted the one's each user preferred.


jp [9:22 PM]
Custom emoji ICO sold out at 50M market cap


checksum0 [9:22 PM]
50M


[9:22]
THAT'S IT?


beautybubble [9:22 PM]
Oh, @tomothy that is even worse.


freetrader [9:22 PM]
we need a whiteboard to come up with more emoji


macsga [9:22 PM]
what is whiteboard


beautybubble [9:22 PM]
Hush @freetrader


macsga [9:22 PM]
where's vinny


[9:23]
nobody likes me here

[9:23]
only vinny

freetrader [9:23 PM]
@macsga : it's a table tennis table in disguide

jp [9:23 PM]
Whiteboard ICO used ethtard network sold 5B market cap

luke-jr [9:23 PM]
stoooooooooooop


andy [9:23 PM]
lol

macsga [9:23 PM]
@luke-jr ma man you're back :heart:

beautybubble [9:23 PM]
What if we did it this way.  We have #emoji hour and then move on?  You guys like that idea?

checksum0 [9:23 PM]
I though you had an really important #blockstream-core-dev meeting luke?

tomothy
[9:23 PM]
See, bitcoin can come together. All we needed are slack emojis! (edited)

jp [9:24 PM]
LukeJr Stoop scream ICO sold at 10M MARKET cap, exceeding LTShit

freetrader [9:24 PM]
we could try just communicating in emojis for a while.

luke-jr [9:24 PM]
@checksum0 that's why i can't keep up here

andy [9:24 PM]
emoji BIP incoming

ajd [9:24 PM]
Apparently his DSL connection can handle IRC and slack *at the same time*

luke-jr [9:24 PM]
lol ajd

beautybubble [9:24 PM]
Oh, this is Kumbaya.

jp [9:24 PM]
BIP 404 - add custom emoji to btc tx

macsga [9:24 PM]
no, this is not true, he steals wifi from me

freetrader [9:25 PM]
sekret upgrade to 56K

andy [9:25 PM]
I'll be glad when this scaling saga is over.  What is the next big battle for Bitcoin?

jp [9:25 PM]
ICO

checksum0 [9:25 PM]
Nobody will need anything more than 33.3k guys

[9:25]
plz be serious

andy [9:25 PM]
28800 BAUD BABY

checksum0 [9:25 PM]
300kb per 10 minutes, that's all anybody will ever need.

macsga [9:25 PM]
mine is 14400k V32

freetrader [9:26 PM]
andy shouting down the wire doesn't decrease the error rate

luke-jr [9:26 PM]
@checksum0 that'd be awesome if true

ajd [9:26 PM]
gmax said that Bitcoin used to have a 500K block size limit

andy [9:26 PM]
there were soft limits that were raised.

checksum0 [9:26 PM]
Oh yeah, if we could fit the world in 300kb block, that's be awesome, I agree.

ajd [9:26 PM]
I thought he meant a hard limit though

checksum0 [9:26 PM]
He is lying as usual


ajd [9:26 PM]
the soft limit was less than that

jp [9:27 PM]
Hard fork ICO issued on ethtard raised 76M from AXA

checksum0 [9:27 PM]
Satoshi did not implement the 1mb for nothing, that was the first hard limit

ajd [9:27 PM]
I'm not sure what the limit was he was referring to though.

beautybubble [9:27 PM]
It would have been really nice if he had written something for "the emoji."

luke-jr [9:28 PM]
@ajd Bitcoin used to have a 500k hard limit that was not directly enforced, but indirectly enforced

[9:28]
it predates the 1 MB limit

ajd [9:28 PM]
The BDB limit?

luke-jr [9:28 PM]
yes

ajd [9:28 PM]
okay

[9:30]
BIP 50 was the way Satoshi should have implemented the 1 meg limit.

[9:31]
Maybe more than 2 months though

andrewquentson [9:32 PM]
Which satoshi @csw or @cobra-bitcoin ?

[9:32]
we have two of them

[9:32]
both fake obs

alp
[9:32 PM]
who said cobra was satoshi?

ajd [9:32 PM]
Who would have imagined there'd be so much fighting over raising that limit, though?

andrewquentson [9:32 PM]
theymos

checksum0 [9:32 PM]
And the authority is back...

freetrader [9:32 PM]
satoshi no satoshi, kimosabe

andrewquentson [9:34 PM]
@cobra-bitcoin are you satoshi?

[9:34]
is that how you gained maintainer status of bitcoin.org @cobra-bitcoin ?

alp
[9:34 PM]
when did theymos say that

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andrewquentson [9:35 PM]
before the mess

awemany [9:35 PM]
@luke-jr : so if the BDB limit was an indirect HARD limit that was enforced, did we hard fork to larger blocks already? :smile: