>[By WOG he's able to bust a mountain, Kill the Dark ones generals, Ah Gou and Zi Yu all while at 10% power](https://imgur.com/a/f84As)

Lets start with the fact that nowhere does it say he could solo everyone with 10% of power. It says he COULD fight them **without the sense of fear** and try to reverse the tide against the odds. Nowhere does it say in the scans you provided that he could win against everyone with 1/10th of his power.

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>[not only that but he flat out tanks](https://imgur.com/a/A5ktd)

Not only do we **not see Tian after getting hit by this**, he is even **gone for longer than a year**. You cannot say that someone tanked an attack when we do not see what really happened to the character.

> [this](http://i.imgur.com/6T5lLlG.jpg)

How exactly is this impressive really? The stationary version which has much more powerfull shots was [casually blocked](https://i.imgur.com/wFPefjp.jpg) by someone much weaker than Tian. The shot Tian tanked is at best comparable to [city block busting](https://i.imgur.com/mA93FFd.jpg) by scaling [off this feat](http://i.imgur.com/9TqyWdK.jpg). What is even more important that regular blows from Chi Long are **much weaker** than this skill, his regular blows can destroy [multiple buildings](https://i.imgur.com/4ZsSqTk.jpg). City busting itself is less than a thousandth of mountain busting to say nothing of City Block busting. I see no reason why tanking such a hit would be impressive.

>Thats without getting into MonoChrome which flat out divides your stats by more than half.

Based on what? [This scan?](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/143490992165748736/447996043754471424/0020-022.png) Ah Gou using **Dark Wall** which has nothing to do with base Monochrome. And that is only about Speed. Tian **NEVER** demonstrated affecting other characters stats in that way. What [Monochrome actually does](http://i.imgur.com/sJKajtk.jpg).

>[White wall can destroy projectiles](https://imgur.com/a/v558KzG) from less that 2 feet away.

Once again, terribly under tier projectile that character like Yusuke could no sell.

> [and will straight up break every bone in your body](https://i.imgur.com/1NwdCQG.jpg)

Yes, thats how the ability works. As it says in this scan if character can protect himself with his own energy this won't be instakill ability. Another thing thats worth noting is that Zi Yu is literally [hurt by being thrown through few buildings](http://i.imgur.com/3JVYDWZ.jpg) by Chi Long whose strenght I showed above. Not impressive in this tier at all.

>Tian should be OOT because of his mountain level physicals, and his Monochrome making his opponents less than halff asc powerful

Ignoring the Monochrome which I already adressed, Tian does not have mountain level physicals. It comes from [this scan](https://i.imgur.com/3uq0URh.jpg) which states it surpasses Tian Wu's thunderclap ability. The thunderclap [shattered tall statues](https://i.imgur.com/vIZTmw9.png) which is not impressive [because of the statues size](https://i.imgur.com/jHIZdNC.png) he then uses **TWO** back to back Thunderclaps [destroying few statues](https://i.imgur.com/JoUSOuN.png).

You are either severely underestimating Yusuke or overestimating Tian.

>like 100 thousand years ago. it also says he would annihilate the Dark ones and the humans, it seems pretty impossible to Annihilate someone without actually killing them.

It does indeed. It also calls it **desperate** situation which means even if he wins we don't know how hard it will be for him. This is completely irrelevant anyway because not only did he get instagibbed by the giant, not a single one of his opponents is more impressive than [these demons that Yusuke
casually punched over the horizon](https://imgur.com/a/PeuYjW8).

The only dangerous ones are Sage Kings which I doubt even at 1/10th of his power are comparable to the fight he had against the Ancient Gods.

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>Zhen Chan is stated to be [Second only to Tian](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3uISuwRflyc/VjAW1sCXWtI/AAAAAAACkAs/A6VoyCp_dSc/s16000/0047-004.jpg)

No it does not, it says he is **considered** to be. And even being second to Tian means nothing when he is riddiculously weaker than Tian himself.

>which means Zi Yu from scaling should be stronger than all of the sage kings who should all be at least half mountain busters scaling from Tian Wu, an improved version of this Skill destroy multiple 100's of foot tall statues Tian's durability should absolutely be above mountain level with scaling


You are literally scaling at face value ignoring extremely different abilities the Sage Kings posses. You cannot scale destructive ability off Tian Wu in any way beacuse its his divine power which allows him to do that. So Er Chan being able to win against him does not mean he can replicate the feat and suddenly bust "half a mountain" when he does not have destructive ability to do so.


[The "half a mountain feat"](https://imgur.com/a/RExu6bd) that seems to excite you so much is not really impressive either. This is [how much rock was actually displaced](https://i.imgur.com/XUmJ6Wh.png). At best it's comparable to [this feat by Yusuke](https://i.imgur.com/MUotFYf.jpg) if you highball the feat. It is half a mountain, very small one.

>Tian's durability should absolutely be above mountain level with scaling

Your scaling is inherently flawed so Im going to say no based on your scaling.

"Mountain level" is way too broad because of the size difference between the mountains.

 Do I think Tian can no sell Tian Wu's thunderclap?

Yes.

Do I think he can clash in melee combat with Yusuke?

Yes.

Do I think he can survive a Spirit Gun without full power Monochrome?

 No.
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>s not his own energy, its the soul power that was transfered to him by the one of the Dark One generals, its a specific power that no one else in this tourney has

All it does is [upgrade base stats](https://i.imgur.com/MOM1fax.jpg) as well as allow to use dark ones techniques which don't matter in this argument. The point is, Yusuke's (and anyone's who is in tier) physicals are incomparably better than Zi Yu's stats even after them being boosted by soul power, making White Wall effectiveness very low.

>so youre saying that White wall should be able to crush people instantly, as well as taking away there sight? seems OOT if you ask me.

If their durabilty is high enough then it won't do much damage at all.

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>No not that scan, that Scan is Ah Gou, we're debating Tian, try and keep up. Im talking about this scan where Ah Gou says he can suppress peoples abilities to half

What? Clarify this because I literally reread what you wrote multiple times and you contradict yourself.

> with his base Physicals, The Thunderclap did in fact shatter those statues, which are 100's of feat tall, the scan you linked shows people fighting on top of them, and doesnt even show the full height of the statues

What do physicals have to do with Thunderclap? You don't need to see full size of statues to compare the size of their heads to the characters standing on top of them. If you are incapable of even such a simple comparision then I see no reason why anyone should take you seriously.

>Tian is much much stronger than Tian Wu, seem OOT honestly

That he is, and Tian Wu is severely under tier. If you didn't notice Tian is likely victory against Yusuke as I said. I see no reason to belive this matchup is more than 7/10 when being generous to bloodlusted Tian.

>Tian bloodlusted so he'd be at full power and fuck Yusuke apart since that'd be on 100% full tilt.

With what exactly? The only reason he can win against Yusuke is because of Monochrome. His strength, destructive output are all worse than Yusuke and the only thing he is comparable in is his durability. When Yusuke gets suppressed and starts losing melee fight he can use his strongest Spirit Guns that will oneshot Tian regardless of full power monochrome.

>You're trying to shift it arbitrarily and claim some of it does not apply to Tian somehow

That is you jumping to conclusions. Tian does not show and does not get a mention about cutting stats in half, which is what I said. And it is true. Him being able to do it is the only reason why this fight is a Likely Victory not a stomp for Yusuke.


>'That is not something Tian himself shows'

That is not a claim, it's a fact. He might be able to do it, you can say he does but he does not show that.

> you cannot argue around it with bullshit semantics.

Im not arguing around it. Im saying that Tian didn't demonstrate it and said that he can do that. Why are you so fixated on a point that is a fact.