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  1. 18:49] <+lionn> if jesus is God then why is he telling that no one heard or seen God ?
  2. [18:49] <+lionn> !kjv joh 5:37
  3. [18:49] <@BibleBot> John5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (KJV)
  4. [18:50] * QRT sets mode: -b *!*Mibbit@67.213.24.*
  5. [18:50] * AppleGirl sets mode: -b *!*Mibbit@67.213.24.*
  6. [18:51] * +joobz (~joobz@CPE-121-220-98-195.lnse3.win.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  7. [18:52] <+lionn> if jesus is God then who was he praying to ?
  8. [18:52] <+lionn> !kjv luk 6:12
  9. [18:52] <@BibleBot> Luke6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. (KJV)
  10. [18:52] <+Raven`X> Because Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God.
  11. [18:52] <+Raven`X> !rsv joh 17:3
  12. [18:52] <@BibleBot> John17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. (RSV)
  13. [18:53] <+glk4> Eternal life is not observed.
  14. [18:53] <+lionn> then why do people think jesus is GOd
  15. [18:53] <+lionn> where in the bible does it say jesus is God
  16. [18:54] <+Raven`X> Centuries and centuries of dogma.
  17. [18:54] <@barabbas`> lionn: Jesus was also fully human. Also the Bible is the recorded spiritual journey of the Hebrew people and God. So, when looking at that verse, who was the author, who was the audience and what was the spiritual message Jesus was giving? Do you know?
  18. [18:54] * +ThatThat (that@adsl-134-199-192-1.adsl2.iam.net.ma) has left #christiandebate
  19. [18:54] * +ogrom (~ogrom@143-122-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee) Quit (Quit: ------)
  20. [18:55] <@barabbas`> lionn I showed you last night where the Bible says Jesus is God.
  21. [18:55] <+glk4> Anybody can say anything in a holy book
  22. [18:55] * AppleGirl sets mode: +l 69
  23. [18:55] <@barabbas`> lionn ;Have you forgotten already?
  24. [18:55] <+lionn> yes
  25. [18:55] <+lionn> i and the father are one does not mean jesus is God
  26. [18:55] <@barabbas`> !Niv John 10:30
  27. [18:55] <@BibleBot> John10:30 I and the Father are one." (NIV)
  28. [18:55] <+lionn> where does jesus himself confess to be God
  29. [18:55] <@barabbas`> Just showed you
  30. [18:55] <+lionn> i and the father are one ?
  31. [18:56] <+lionn> one what ?
  32. [18:56] <@barabbas`> Yes
  33. [18:56] <@barabbas`> One and the same.
  34. [18:56] <+lionn> why jesus ddoes not clearly state i am God worship me
  35. [18:56] <@barabbas`> HE did, I just showed you
  36. [18:56] <+lionn> because he himself was worshipping God
  37. [18:56] * Guest41982 is now known as karstensrage
  38. [18:56] <+lionn> and he told satan to worship God
  39. [18:56] <+lionn> !kjv mat 4:10
  40. [18:56] <@BibleBot> Mat4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only
  41. shalt thou serve. (KJV)
  42. [18:57] <+lionn> ravenx reads same bible as u and says that jesus is son of God and u claim he is God
  43. [18:57] <@barabbas`> lionn What do you think it means when Jesus says to get behind him? He said the same thing to Peter. Everyone must get behind Jesus because HE IS God.
  44. [18:57] * karstensrage is now known as Guest45644
  45. [18:57] <@barabbas`> He is the son of God, and he is God.
  46. [18:57] * ThatThat (that@adsl-134-199-192-1.adsl2.iam.net.ma) has joined #christiandebate
  47. [18:57] * BibleBot sets mode: +v ThatThat
  48. [18:58] <+lionn> if that verse that ravenx pasted is not clear than i dont know what is barabbas u seem to be lost
  49. [18:58] * +siona (~C@84.232.195.240) Quit (Quit: don't fear the reaper)
  50. [18:58] <+lionn> !kjv joh 17:3
  51. [18:58] <@BibleBot> John17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (KJV)
  52. [18:59] <+lionn> Jesus says to get behind him?
  53. [18:59] <+lionn> is that your proof that jesus is God
  54. [18:59] <@barabbas`> lionn What part of Jesus was FULLY man and FULLY God, don't you understand? And what part of I and the Father are ONE is so confusing? Perhaps it is your expectations of what the Bible is.
  55. [18:59] <+lionn> u need us to solve riddles to get the answer
  56. [18:59] <+VirtualPreacher> there are two things i like to do on weekends. one is pluck out my eyes with a wooden spoon. the other is talk to a muslim about the deity of Christ. i'm trying to find a spoon at the moment
  57. [18:59] * Guest45644 is now known as karstensrage
  58. [18:59] <+lionn> why jesus cant say i am God worship me
  59. [18:59] <@barabbas`> lionn I am not going to keep repeating my self. Suffice it to say, if you look at the rules, look at the last one.
  60. [19:01] <+lionn> why all the riddles about getting behind him and i and the father are one and the word became God how about plain simple text that jesus tells he is God and to worship him when i see verses of jesus praying to God and telling others to pray to God in clear simple words and then u want me to follow the riddles with answers u made like jesus asking satan to stand behind him
  61. [19:01] <+lionn> is God words meant to be confusing
  62. [19:01] <@barabbas`> lionn: THe only riddle is why you keep refusing to listen. YOu are like Philip in John 14:9
  63. [19:02] <@barabbas`> !niv John 14:9
  64. [19:02] <@BibleBot> John14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? (NIV)
  65. [19:02] * PaRaDoXx^ (~PaRaDoXx^@79.138.131.25.mobile.tre.se) has joined #ChristianDebate
  66. [19:02] * BibleBot sets mode: +v PaRaDoXx^
  67. [19:02] <+lionn> the word of God is ssimple he given to all prophets repeatedly God is one
  68. [19:02] <+lionn> lets see moses say then see jesus say word for word what moses said
  69. [19:02] <+layla-> lionn many times its a bit confusing. hence there are many sects
  70. [19:02] <+lionn> !kjv deu 6:4
  71. [19:02] <@BibleBot> Deu6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: (KJV)
  72. [19:02] <+lionn> !kjv mar 12:29
  73. [19:02] <+Raven`X> john 10:30 is tied with 1co 6:17
  74. [19:02] <@BibleBot> Mark12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: (KJV)
  75. [19:02] <+Raven`X> rsv 1co 6:17
  76. [19:03] <+Raven`X> !rsv 1co 6:17
  77. [19:03] <@BibleBot> 1Cor6:17 But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. (RSV)
  78. [19:03] <@barabbas`> lionn So, please answer me, Why are you acting like Philip when you have been shown the truth?
  79. [19:03] <+lionn> barabbas what truth have u shown me
  80. [19:03] <+lionn> this is the truth what jesus said
  81. [19:03] <+lionn> !kjv mar 12:29
  82. [19:03] <@BibleBot> Mark12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: (KJV)
  83. [19:04] <+lionn> and what moses said
  84. [19:04] * +Littlefoot (~Littlefoo@pool-173-62-12-73.pghkny.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  85. [19:04] <+lionn> !kjv deu 6:4
  86. [19:04] <@BibleBot> Deu6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: (KJV)
  87. [19:04] <+lionn> this is the truth
  88. [19:04] <+lionn> !kjv 1ti 2:5
  89. [19:04] <@BibleBot> 1Tim2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (KJV)
  90. [19:04] * Littlefoot (~Littlefoo@pool-173-62-12-73.pghkny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #christiandebate
  91. [19:04] * BibleBot sets mode: +v Littlefoot
  92. [19:04] <+Raven`X> lionn, Jesus is fully divine though.
  93. [19:04] <+lionn> !kjv num 23:19
  94. [19:04] <@BibleBot> Num23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (KJV)
  95. [19:04] <@barabbas`> lionn: Christains are NOT governed by the OT, try again
  96. [19:05] <+lionn> Num23:19 God is not a man, 1Tim2:5 the man Christ Jesus;
  97. [19:05] <+Littlefoot> Because he fulfilled the law, but that doesn't negate the law... for some reason
  98. [19:05] <@barabbas`> lionn: type !rules and read the last sentence.
  99. [19:05] <+lionn> so God changed his mind barabbas
  100. [19:05] <+lionn> first he said dont eat swine
  101. [19:05] <+lionn> then paul said it was ok ?
  102. [19:05] <+layla-> lionn salam. can.i.ask.u a question
  103. [19:05] <+lionn> or was it God that changed the law
  104. [19:05] <+Littlefoot> until the christians want to stop the gays from throwing a wedding party, and then its all OT all the time
  105. [19:05] <+Raven`X> Christians can eat "swine".
  106. [19:06] <+lionn> who allowed that was it paul
  107. [19:06] <@barabbas`> lionn; Not exactly, God didn't change his mind, Humanity matured and were ready to move to the next step. Jesus FULFILLED the law, so YEAH we can eat pork.
  108. [19:06] <+layla-> what do u mean when.u say worship.god
  109. [19:06] <+Raven`X> Those culinary rules in the OT as it were, were written for Jews.
  110. [19:06] * +brad61 (~brad61@209-234-217-128.netptc.net) Quit (Quit: )
  111. [19:06] <+Littlefoot> lionn: I never really got why paul gets so much credit.. at all
  112. [19:06] <+lionn> the man who was persecuting christians and then he wrote in more then half of the new testament and u trust that man what if he corrupted your bible
  113. [19:06] <+lionn> !kjv gal 1:13-14
  114. [19:06] <@BibleBot> Gal1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
  115. [19:06] <@BibleBot> Gal1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. (KJV)
  116. [19:06] <@barabbas`> lionn Did you type !rules and read the last sentence?
  117. [19:06] <+lionn> see the history of paul
  118. [19:06] <+lionn> !rules
  119. [19:07] <+Raven`X> Does that work?
  120. [19:07] <+Raven`X> !rules
  121. [19:07] <+lionn> no
  122. [19:07] <+Raven`X> Yeah, Cancelbot isn't here.
  123. [19:08] <+lionn> is paul a reliable source to get information from he wrote more than half of the nt
  124. [19:08] <@barabbas`> lionn Here is the last rule, please adhere to it. 17. For the purposes of this room, we understand God to be a Trinity of three co-eternal persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
  125. [19:08] <+Raven`X> According to our "founder" these are the rules. http://www.acrity.org/index.html
  126. [19:08] * Yaumun` (~yaumun@104.237.152.195) has joined #christiandebate
  127. [19:08] * BibleBot sets mode: +v Yaumun`
  128. [19:08] <+Mabus> barabbas... hang on.... thats not quite a rule...
  129. [19:08] <+Mabus> as sara explained it to me.... thats a "guideline" for the ops
  130. [19:08] <+Mabus> you can't impose the trinity as a rule on people lol
  131. [19:09] * Medad (~Medad@cpe-65-26-107-202.kc.res.rr.com) has joined #christiandebate
  132. [19:09] <+Mabus> i mean what... are you gonna ban everyone who does not believe in the trinity?
  133. [19:09] * BibleBot sets mode: +v Medad
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