[Tue 17:13:36] <Elles`w> I want my webservice app to have both client and server
[Tue 17:13:49] <Elles`w> and I need forms for input
[Tue 17:13:59] <Elles`w> is it doable in 1 project?
[Tue 17:15:36] <Tavi> I don't think so. At least the forms project must be separated I guess
[Tue 17:16:02] <Tavi> what type of web service do you use?
[Tue 17:18:06] <Elles`w> soap
[Tue 17:18:16] <Tavi> think about the service for a moment (either web api or wcf). They don't actually have an entry point, they are started and managed by IIS
[Tue 17:18:27] <Tavi> somehow when the service is started you need to display your form
[Tue 17:20:03] <Elles`w> yes Im allowed to add web forms
[Tue 17:20:07] <Tavi> why would you want them all in a single project? it does not make very much sense
[Tue 17:20:21] <Elles`w> Im coding a SAP symulator
[Tue 17:20:57] <Elles`w> it will have its own server, and I want it to display the data that was called
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[Tue 17:21:19] <Elles`w> + client to send asnwers
[Tue 17:21:29] <Elles`w> and I want them to be displayed too
[Tue 17:23:02] <Elles`w> I want all the functions to return void
[Tue 17:23:10] <Elles`w> I want to capture the data and do something with it
[Tue 17:23:20] <Elles`w> display for start
[Tue 17:23:27] <Tavi> ok, but why would you need it in a single project?
[Tue 17:24:01] <Elles`w> how to pass this data to the form app then?
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[Tue 17:24:06] <Tavi> it's easier, and I know for sure that you can do it in two separate projects, one for your service, and a win forms project (in which you add a service reference to the other project)
[Tue 17:24:24] <Elles`w> database?
[Tue 17:24:47] <Tavi> you shouldn't need a database for this
[Tue 17:24:56] <Tavi> but if you do, it should be connected to the service
[Tue 17:25:14] <Elles`w> nono
[Tue 17:25:18] <Elles`w> the client is easy
[Tue 17:25:32] <Tavi> by adding a service reference to the WinForms project, the client is auto generated for you
[Tue 17:25:34] <Elles`w> this is the design
[Tue 17:25:44] <Elles`w> SAP side: Server Client
[Tue 17:25:52] <Elles`w> and other side: Server Client
[Tue 17:26:11] <Elles`w> so you have 2 different apps
[Tue 17:26:26] <Elles`w> and I want to keep these 2 sides in 1 project
[Tue 17:26:38] <Elles`w> 1 project for SAP and 1 project for another side
[Tue 17:26:54] <Tavi> each project with its own server and client ?
[Tue 17:26:57] <Elles`w> yes
[Tue 17:27:37] <Elles`w> I know that I can log everything on client side
[Tue 17:27:39] <Tavi> and you want to build 2 client applications (windows forms)
[Tue 17:28:35] <Elles`w> client SAP call server functions of another side and another side's client calls the server funcitons of SAP server
[Tue 17:29:16] <Elles`w> and I need forms on the SAP side since I need a process start input
[Tue 17:30:34] <Tavi> so the SAP client is consuming your service, and the other client is consuming the SAP service?
[Tue 17:30:43] <Elles`w> yes
[Tue 17:30:50] <Elles`w> thats how it works
[Tue 17:30:55] <Elles`w> on the production
[Tue 17:31:06] <Elles`w> I have to simulate these things
[Tue 17:31:53] <Tavi> it's a lot easier to do it with 4 projects rather than 2. maybe 3 projects (2 for each service, and a single win forms project for both clients)
[Tue 17:32:10] <Elles`w> yes I think I will do that with several projects
[Tue 17:32:29] <Tavi> you host the web services on IIS?
[Tue 17:32:37] <Tavi> or you'll go for windows services?
[Tue 17:33:08] <Elles`w> we wont host
[Tue 17:33:19] <Elles`w> windows
[Tue 17:33:49] <Elles`w> just like all the examples on the net
[Tue 17:33:53] <Elles`w> localhost
[Tue 17:33:55] <Elles`w> :D
[Tue 17:34:01] <Tavi> yea, by default I guess it's iis express
[Tue 17:34:08] <Elles`w> probably
[Tue 17:34:12] <Elles`w> Im new to the subject
[Tue 17:34:19] <Tavi> but if you need them available outside the debugging mode of visual studio, you should host them on iis
[Tue 17:34:46] <Elles`w> these will be only gateways for messages
[Tue 17:35:12] <Tavi> yea, personally I think having 2 projects for each service, and a third win forms project is the best way to go
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[Tue 17:36:05] <Elles`w> so I will ahve to think of a way to communicate with client after receiving the message in server
[Tue 17:36:12] <Elles`w> sucks
[Tue 17:36:24] <Tavi> heh :D that's another subject altogether
[Tue 17:36:29] <Tavi> it's called duplex service
[Tue 17:36:32] <Tavi> you should check it out
[Tue 17:36:39] <Elles`w> thanks for your input to that matter
[Tue 17:36:41] <Tavi> it's pretty easy to implement, I did it myself
[Tue 17:36:49] <Tavi> duplex WCF service
[Tue 17:36:56] <Tavi> search on google it should point you in the right direction
[Tue 17:38:26] <Elles`w> thanks again
[Tue 17:38:28] <Tavi> no problem
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[Tue 17:38:36] <Tavi> so you need to tell the client that the message arrived?
[Tue 17:38:54] <Elles`w> aye
[Tue 17:39:02] <Tavi> maybe you don't need such complex thing as duplex service
[Tue 17:39:08] <Tavi> you could use NLog for example
[Tue 17:39:13] <Tavi> to log something in a txt file
[Tue 17:39:19] <Tavi> when receiving a message
[Tue 17:39:22] <Elles`w> so a database
[Tue 17:39:31] <Tavi> or a database, yes
[Tue 17:40:21] <Tavi> the purpose of the duplex service is far greater than confirming a message
[Tue 17:40:40] <Tavi> but if you need higher level of confirmation than just writing to a text file, you can go for the duplex service
[Tue 17:41:33] <Elles`w> I need to parse data and send an order to another side
[Tue 17:41:51] <Tavi> so you need the services to be able to communicate between them ?
[Tue 17:42:03] <Elles`w> mhm
[Tue 17:42:20] <Tavi> should the communication be bidirectional?
[Tue 17:42:25] <Elles`w> in cpp it was way easier
[Tue 17:42:28] <Tavi> or only just one service should send data to the other?
[Tue 17:42:35] <Elles`w> but I dont wanna play with soap xml in there
[Tue 17:42:41] <Elles`w> thats why I decided to move to c#
[Tue 17:42:45] <Tavi> absolutely
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[Tue 17:43:16] <Elles`w> just send
[Tue 17:43:22] <Tavi> that's perfect
[Tue 17:43:32] <Tavi> maybe you don't need the second client afterall
[Tue 17:43:42] <Tavi> one client sends the data to one service
[Tue 17:44:05] <Tavi> the service processes the data and sends it to the other service
[Tue 17:44:15] <Tavi> is this correct?
[Tue 17:44:15] <Elles`w> there is too much data to check so I could return something immediately
[Tue 17:44:49] <Elles`w> service is only a gateway
[Tue 17:44:57] <Elles`w> it will pass the data to the main program
[Tue 17:45:02] <Elles`w> which is coded in cpp
[Tue 17:45:58] <Elles`w> my plan is to take the funciton arguments, pack them to json and insert to database