[Yesterday, 3:12 PM]
.rookie:
	yo

[Yesterday, 3:12 PM]
Console-:
	heyo

[Yesterday, 3:13 PM]
.rookie:
	who is the actual 2nd best scout in the west coast?
	i feel like the title is open
	for grabs

[Yesterday, 3:13 PM]
Console-:
	on the west coast? not sure

[Yesterday, 3:13 PM]
.rookie:
	ya ikr

[Yesterday, 3:13 PM]
Console-:
	dont remember where everyone lives and such

[Yesterday, 3:13 PM]
.rookie:
	i remember scouts that have over 70 ping
	cause you have to learn defensive style with high ping

[Yesterday, 3:13 PM]
Console-:
	if corsa/yomps/any of those guys are west coast probably b4nny

[Yesterday, 3:14 PM]
.rookie:
	b4nny is #1
	corsa chicago yomps has under 40
	there might be like a slemnish tier guy i dont know about

Tuesday, April 2, 2019

[4:13 AM]
.rookie:
	i made a list of na players, is this accurate u think?
	Scout Skill tier list

	1. yomps
	2. b4nny
	3. arekk
	4. slemnish
	5. corsa
	6. botmode
	7. highfive
	8. paddie
	9. alfa
	10.
	11. midas
	12. gungeon
	13. playmo
	14. vosico
	15.
	16. saam
	of players who still play

[4:15 AM]
Console-:
	well for 1 there are more than 9 na scouts
	in invite

[4:15 AM]
.rookie:
	invite isn’t what it used to be

[4:15 AM]
Console-:
	sandblast is definitely better than like half of this list lol

[4:16 AM]
.rookie:
	oh yeah I forgot about him
	he might be 5th place

[4:16 AM]
Console-:
	also would put saam above playmo

[4:16 AM]
.rookie:
	or right between high five and boy mode
	mmmm
	I saw Sam do some really weird stuff
	like not watching enough and letting things in idk

[4:17 AM]
Console-:
	mu should definitely be in the top 4
	honestly the dude is crazy on flank scout

[4:18 AM]
.rookie:
	.-.

[4:18 AM]
Console-:
	consistently drops 275+ dpm and top 4 fraggers in the server with 5-7% heals

[4:18 AM]
.rookie:
	idk about mu

[4:19 AM]
Console-:
	also some of these players arent even playing scout rn
	paddie's playing soldier for chaos control

[4:19 AM]
.rookie:
	oh damn on the Wikipedia it said scout
	yeah I didn’t want him on the list anyway

[4:20 AM]
Console-:
	you're also missing cukei who's been a monster scout this season

[4:21 AM]
.rookie:
	sorry he doesn’t deserve :p

[4:21 AM]
Console-:
	he is definitely better than some players on this list lol
	idek if ive heard of gungeon
	and you havent played in a minute

[4:22 AM]
.rookie:
	I know my stuff :p

[4:22 AM]
Console-:
	no offense but im pretty sure a playoffs scout should be considered more skilled than im players

[4:23 AM]
.rookie:
	I mean do you think invite is scary right now

[4:23 AM]
Console-:
	yea theres a lot of talent in invite this season

[4:24 AM]
.rookie:
	I disagree lol

[4:24 AM]
Console-:
	also im pretty sure h5 didnt even play this season
	u gotta be meming or trolling me right

[4:26 AM]
.rookie:
	invite was way scarier back when people cared about tf2 more

[4:27 AM]
Console-:
	top invite was more competitive back when we had LAN because classic mixup existed
	but other than that theres still been plenty of good players in invite
	i think you just might not have been following the top of the scene too closely

[4:28 AM]
.rookie:
	I just have extremely high standards

[4:29 AM]
Console-:
	putting players who have never played invite above players who have made invite playoffs a multitude of times isn't a high standard, it's just flat out incorrect analysis of player skill lol

[4:30 AM]
.rookie:
	I made it in 60s to look for assassination targets:p

[4:31 AM]
Console-:
	?

[4:31 AM]
.rookie:
	yeah imma takedown someone on this list

[4:31 AM]
Console-:
	chief are u ok
	i need what you're smoking lmao

[4:32 AM]
.rookie:
	ye

[4:33 AM]
Console-:
	theoretically if i had to choose 1 player to perma remove from invite would probably be grant for pretty obvious reasons

[4:34 AM]
.rookie:
	no I meant like assassinate by usurping
	with skill
	besides the only reason na plays fast is because b4nny
	so na always beats eu

[4:34 AM]
Console-:
	yea thats not really true lol

[4:35 AM]
.rookie:
	mmh
	yeah we probably already were aggressive
	froyo is very fast tho
	so we all look up to that

[4:35 AM]
Console-:
	like froyo dont really play fundementally different than the other playoff teams
	they just have crazy dm and outkill everyone else
	bear brought that up when discussing froyo's dominance and after watching carefully on some casts i've done gotta agree with him

[4:36 AM]
.rookie:
	cause everyone plays like them imo
	if banny died tho...

[4:37 AM]
Console-:
	i mean its not like everyone just attempts to mirror froyo (obviously not, froyo have different map pools than the other teams)

[4:37 AM]
.rookie:
	u don’t think ppl do?

[4:37 AM]
Console-:
	not on purpose

[4:37 AM]
.rookie:
	most ppl use their examples idk

[4:38 AM]
Console-:
	the strats froyo and the other top invite teams use just happen to be the most effective under the current ruleset

[4:38 AM]
.rookie:
	yeah

[4:38 AM]
Console-:
	because froyo's execution are perfect examples
	due to their superior mechanical skill
	the only real strategic advantages froyo have are comms and their ability to adjust at halftime
	and roster stability i guess
	given a purpose built froyo killer roster that worked for a few seasons together with the same 4-5 player core i can see a team easily besting froyo

[4:40 AM]
.rookie:
	it’s entirely possible

[4:40 AM]
Console-:
	the *actual* reason that froyo are so hard to beat is that a team with a consistent roster with top players that practice regularly hasnt existed pretty much since mix^
	at least in north america
	obviously se7en and their previous rosters (crowns, nerdrage, etc) have always been close

[4:41 AM]
.rookie:
	yeah they pick the best players so.
	sec
	like no one in the world can stop yomps
	no one in the world can stop habib

[4:42 AM]
Console-:
	like if froyoblack from last season stayed mostly together and maybe swapped 1-2 players and played again this season would probably take a series off froyo

[4:42 AM]
.rookie:
	idk what you’re supposed to do to that
	if only

[4:42 AM]
Console-:
	habib actually plays like a mongo lol

[4:42 AM]
.rookie:
	yeah but he’s really good at it lol
	and that effort
	yomps is really special tho

[4:43 AM]
Console-:
	eh not really

[4:43 AM]
.rookie:
	who what

[4:43 AM]
Console-:
	i mean yes by and large he is one of the best players in the world
	but he's not so far ahead of every other pocket that he's unbeatable (or scout for that matter)

[4:44 AM]
.rookie:
	i think his scout is that good
	soldier eh
	he made it work amazingly in that one season with little heals

[4:44 AM]
Console-:
	keep in mind soldier is the class he is currently playing and has been for seasons now

[4:44 AM]
.rookie:
	yeah he’s still better on scout imo
	he wins about 70-80% of fights against b4nny
	fair fights 1v1 scout etc
	but b4nny isn’t really a dueling main

[4:45 AM]
Console-:
	i think you forget players like corsa exist
	he's not the most mechanically skilled scout in the game
	also idk where you're getting that statistic
	but that for sure doesnt sound right

[4:46 AM]
.rookie:
	I watched yomps fighting b4nny over the years
	in pugs and stuff
	pretty consistent beat down because yomps specializes in combat
	b4nny is more of a combo player

[4:48 AM]
Console-:
	?
	b4nny for sure is one of the most mechanically talented scouts in NA right now
	especially in the past 4-5 seasons
	like rn if we're talking an optimal froyokiller team

	corsa/mu scouts
	marmaloo pocket
	jayhyunpae roamer
	mae demo
	bear medic
	get that team consistently scrimming and staying together for more than a season and they take a grand final series if not best froyo outright

[4:50 AM]
.rookie:
	we need a newer better pugchamp

[4:50 AM]
Console-:
	like claiming froyo is absolutely untouchable in NA is like saying Astralis is completely untouchable in CSGO

[4:51 AM]
.rookie:
	I believe that team would do really well in bet of 1s
	best*
	but like once it’s study time
	bo3/5s it can get figured out

[4:51 AM]
Console-:
	i would disagree
	you've got strong calling in corsa and marm
	pretty much all around you have players who are in the top 5 in the world on their class mechanically
	mu and jay as a flank pair would actually be crazy to see, especially on wider open flanks like sunshine and metalworks

[4:53 AM]
.rookie:
	hm
	yeah maybe blaze would actually have to warm up :P

[4:54 AM]
Console-:
	like this team is gonna be neigh unbeatable on via
	especially if you get jay sniping?

[4:54 AM]
.rookie:
	give em adderall lol
	holy shit give the Korean (jay) adderall
	game over
	we

[4:55 AM]
Console-:
	like you arguably have the number 2/4 scouts in NA, the best 2 soldiers in NA mechanically (theres an arguement for laz vs marm but i tend to lean with marm for attitude reasons)

[4:56 AM]
.rookie:
	marm is a legit challenger
	he has my blessing

[4:57 AM]
Console-:
	like the only ? for me is bear, i think some other medics might fit the team dynamic better but in terms of pure raw mechanical skill he's for sure up there
	maybe swap him for ninjanick
	point is froyo are definitely beatable
	hell i think even if ascent dont do it this season if they stick together mostly they have a good chance next season

[5:12 AM]
.rookie:
	1. yomps
	2. b4nny
	3. arekk
	4. slemnish
	5. corsa
	6. botmode
	7. highfive
	8. alfa
	9.
	10.
	11.
	12.
	13.
	14.
	15. midas
	16.
	17.
	18. gungon
	19.playmo
	20.vosico
	there
	imma fill it with more ppl
	is sandblast better than slemnish?

[5:15 AM]
Console-:
	i think so

[5:15 AM]
.rookie:
	dam

[5:15 AM]
Console-:
	also corsa is better than arekk and slem lol

[5:15 AM]
.rookie:
	i disagree
	corsa has perfect mechanics
	and thats his best strength

[5:16 AM]
Console-:
	also again
	there are a bunch of non-scouts on this list

[5:16 AM]
.rookie:
	corsa>sandblast?
	yeah i dont know everyones names

[5:16 AM]
Console-:
	like ur #1 is not a scout, ur #6 is not a scout, and ur #7 doesnt play anymore

[5:16 AM]
.rookie:
	why are you picking at that?
	yomps is still the best scout
	and he plays
	its just a simple list

[5:18 AM]
Console-:
	of all time? of players playing right now? of mechanical skill? overall skill? does offclassing ability come into play?

[5:18 AM]
.rookie:
	thats autistic shit

[5:18 AM]
Console-:
	u gotta be more specific my guy

[5:18 AM]
.rookie:
	why?
	i'm here to get good
	not make the best list of 2019

[5:19 AM]
Console-:
	if you're just trying to make a list of scouts in order of skill level and what kind of ladder per say you'd have to climb i'd still make a lot of revisions lol

[5:19 AM]
.rookie:
	ok

[5:19 AM]
Console-:
	also would definitely not place you as the 20th best scout playing rn in NA no offense

[5:19 AM]
.rookie:
	yeah ik thats why i'm making this stuff
	because people don't know how good i am :P
	and it'll make me want to train to show you guys

[5:20 AM]
Console-:
	you havent played in 2 seasons and you havent played a full season of IM
	best way to do that is to just find a team and show your skill them?
	then*

[5:21 AM]
.rookie:
	yep

[5:21 AM]
Console-:
	like there are very *very* few players who actively play, arent on a team, and have been considered crazy good

[5:21 AM]
.rookie:
	i guess

[5:21 AM]
Console-:
	i think mak in the past was one of them tho he's actually been playing in IM for a bit so that's been remedied

[5:22 AM]
.rookie:
	doesn't really matter to me

[5:22 AM]
Console-:
	like if the point of making a list like this is to see who you really want to prove yourself better than as you climb it's pretty simple
	just pull up ESEA, go through the teams above 13th place IM, and list scouts

[5:23 AM]
.rookie:
	i'm not a normal player man

[5:24 AM]
Console-:
	you havent played in 2 seasons and idk how often you regularly pug

[5:24 AM]
.rookie:
	^trying to be negative
	why are you being defeatist before anything begins?
	why do you keep saying things aren't possible
	its weird

[5:25 AM]
Console-:
	but most often exceptionally skilled players who pug regularly and claim to be above their proven skill level either A) actively choose not to play on a team or B) arent as good as they claim
	i'm not

[5:25 AM]
.rookie:
	sounds like you think I can't do it, though.

[5:26 AM]
Console-:
	that's not true
	i watched fygg climb from lowpen shitter to a mid invite demo
	and grape juice climb from a pubber on my first ESEA team as a sub to a decent IM talent on roamer
	i just think it's unlikely your current skill level is reflected as high as you describe

[5:27 AM]
.rookie:
	ye thats what i wanted to hear

[5:27 AM]
Console-:
	impossible for anyone to know until you roster on a team

[5:27 AM]
.rookie:
	no
	maybe for you
	but I know
	tf2 is my game and you can't fake fighting skill.

[5:28 AM]
Console-:
	well yea but team cohesion, attitude, comms, and practice ethic are all important aspects of skill level that can't really be measured outside of a team environment to their fullest extent

[5:29 AM]
.rookie:
	mainly the reason why i'm able to rank so high is
	not many rly good active scouts rn

[5:30 AM]
Console-:
	i would disagree and point out again that you havent been very active in the scene for at least 2 seasons; been overseeing NA TFTV and have pretty much watched every NA broadcast
	theres so much scout talent in NA rn

[5:30 AM]
.rookie:
	doesn't mean i can't kill the rank 16-32 scouts right now lol

[5:30 AM]
Console-:
	maybe in MGE

[5:30 AM]
.rookie:
	nop

[5:31 AM]
Console-:
	on a real team probably not

[5:31 AM]
.rookie:
	im not a mge player
	more of a dm sorta player :3

[5:31 AM]
Console-:
	mgelord, dmlord, same difference different mod

[5:31 AM]
.rookie:
	seriously your doubt is getting tiresome

[5:31 AM]
Console-:
	you're basically caliming you could play top IM or invite with nothing to back it up

[5:31 AM]
.rookie:
	no
	i'm saying i could kill those scouts lol
	i did play 4th place im
	and im pretty sure im 30% stronger than i was then
	cause it was like 2 years ago

[5:33 AM]
Console-:
	? neither of the 2 IM teams you have ESEA history with made playoffs S27

[5:33 AM]
.rookie:
	wait no 5th place
	it was with amulet/j4v/goku/playmo
	anyway, yeah its weird
	whatever i'll succeed and then later you'll tell me i can't get higher
	such is life :p

[5:35 AM]
Console-:
	if you're referring to S26 there was no IM, and you placed 8th

[5:35 AM]
.rookie:
	oh, damn
	i don't really keep track of the seasons
	they sorta become a big blur to me
	i just care about improvement

[5:36 AM]
Console-:
	also you played in neither of the playoff series

[5:36 AM]
.rookie:
	didn't work out with goku on the flank

[5:36 AM]
Console-:
	actually that is a lie
	you played in 1

[5:37 AM]
.rookie:
	i remember the dude that replaced me got horrible kda in those after games
	goku was sooo hard to flank with
	but yeah, i think IM was stronger back then
	because after tf2pl the leagues sorta shifted up

[5:38 AM]
Console-:
	there was no IM and you're talking about what was arguably one of the weakest seasons of ESEA in terms of talent

[5:38 AM]
.rookie:
	damn bruh its like you want to hurt me

[5:38 AM]
Console-:
	i'm just trying to be objective, no personal offense meant

[5:38 AM]
.rookie:
	i just don't think theres many good scouts out there right now
	and that i can kill them
	thats it
	and because i believe that
	i can actually do it

[5:39 AM]
Console-:
	that's not quite how that works

[5:39 AM]
.rookie:
	it is to me
	i'm insane
	tf2 is my game man

[5:39 AM]
Console-:
	same, otherwise i would have dropped tftv and just moved to fulltime CSGO/OW observing

[5:41 AM]
.rookie:
	so whats the number then
	like 48?

[5:41 AM]
Console-:
	like number of scouts better than you?
	idk

[5:41 AM]
.rookie:
	yeah
	that currently play
	holy yomps takes the #1 spot

[5:43 AM]
Console-:
	as i said cant really tell until i see you on a team

[5:43 AM]
.rookie:
	then i say 38 48 or 28
	depending on how generous the seasons are
	proably 38 rn
	i got the secret knowledges

[5:44 AM]
Console-:
	like with no other context would probably place you ~mid IM rn, which lines up with ~top 50ish in NA

[5:44 AM]
.rookie:
	no i can easily smash mid IM players
	no contest

[5:45 AM]
Console-:
	like if you made an LFT right now where would you be looking

[5:45 AM]
.rookie:
	4th-8th place IM team to get back in the groove
	and then to a 4-16 invite team

[5:46 AM]
Console-:
	yea that's definitely not the case lol

[5:46 AM]
.rookie:
	you even said- you don't know how good i am
	yet again you default to absolutely no.
	i'm not a normal player man

[5:46 AM]
Console-:
	i implore you to go create an LFT and see for yourself

[5:46 AM]
.rookie:
	...
	you're being a dick

[5:46 AM]
Console-:
	i'm not

[5:46 AM]
.rookie:
	i'm not looking for a team right now
	i haven't been getting my name out because i'm not playing right now lol
	but i still play tf2
	haven't taken a break in 8 years

[5:47 AM]
Console-:
	im just saying you havent played in 2 seasons, and havent played on a notable team in 4, and have no real recent results to go off of

[5:48 AM]
.rookie:
	ok

[5:48 AM]
Console-:
	just because you can kill players in a DM server does not mean you are a better player than them

[5:48 AM]
.rookie:
	...
	i keep disproving you
	further and further
	i dont give a fuck about this anymore
	go away'

[5:48 AM]
Console-:
	lol ok