Jaina

Syreth11/15/2018
http://www.twitch.tv/syrethlol/v/336349726?sr=a&t=1s
Impakt11/15/2018
how far did you make it?
Syreth11/15/2018
50% ish
Blugatti Fan01/18/2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjAgdSbzp6U
YouTube
FatbossTV
Lady Jaina Proudmoore - Battle of Dazar'alor - 8.1 PTR - FATBOSS

WTB Blood DK01/22/2019
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368203657
Twitch
Heroic: Lady Jaina Proudmoore

Veyloris01/24/2019
@Raider
You weren't good at Stormwall tonight you should probably actually look at Jaina in depth
Veyloris01/25/2019
https://pastebin.com/HF911GiZ - chilling touch
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https://pastebin.com/aEQBj7K1 - broadside
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https://pastebin.com/rUpqKMk4 - avalanche
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Maxxed01/25/2019
Were we interrupting the barrel cast last night?
was reviewing a Fatboss video and notice they were interrupting the cast when the barrel was exploding
https://youtu.be/DjAgdSbzp6U?t=785
YouTube
FatbossTV
Lady Jaina Proudmoore - Battle of Dazar'alor - 8.1 PTR - FATBOSS

Impakt01/25/2019
I don't think you can kick them
Veyloris01/25/2019
For Jaina p3 I think our play is to basically have Monk tank/1 healer/(3 DPS[warrior/dh/dk/bigcleave]) soak the first frozen orb, then blood lust prior to her second orb of frost. This should be at about the time she casts her second prismatic image:
https://i.gyazo.com/fcd7be9aaa70403a5da8555059878c8b.png

P3 starts at about 6:25 in that log
That'll set us up well for the big set of blocks on top of the image and then killing her fairly shortly after. The last phase doesn't actually need to be that long.
The shaman ankh cheese seems unnecessary when you're able to have more control over your stacks
Syreth01/26/2019
you can break ice block with blink
actually the biggest xd
Maxxed01/26/2019
can you pre immune any
I ment to try cloak
and bubble
retired retard rogue01/26/2019
you can wipe all of your stacks with cloak @Maxxed
works the same for bubble i believe fuck slowmode
Syreth01/26/2019
for mage ice block at least you can pre immune the stacks off or just block when you get ice blocked
Wakazashi01/26/2019
wonder if Netherwalk works to clear stacks, or break block, but i doubt it.
Impakt01/26/2019
it won't
Impakt01/27/2019
@Veyloris idk if you were listening while we were talking in discord after you went afk, but to put down what we found here
the heirloom PVP trinket works on blocks
2m cd, so can be used on every block
and my theory is that hunter/cloak/any other immunity will not work
because i think what clears your 20 stacks is the actual application of the ice block
so during cloak the game is trying to apply ice block and failing, so your 20 stacks are still there
same thing would happen with hunter then
WTB Blood DK01/28/2019
so apparently you can mc the adds first phase and make them jump off the boat
Ama01/28/2019
amazing
Estelle01/28/2019
Everyone gets an heirloom
Veyloris02/06/2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsgD7hSmm3A
YouTube
GeekyNet
How Method Killed Lady Jaina Proudmoore (Mythic World First)

@Raider Mandatory viewing
Find time before raid tomorrow
don't just second monitor it
watch it
absorb it
Squirl02/06/2019
/cancelaura Bloodlust
/cancelaura Heroism
/cancelaura Time Warp
/cancelaura Primal Rage
/cancelaura Drums of Fury
/cancelaura Drums of the Mountain
/cancelaura Drums of the Maelstrom
:wave: demo :wave:02/06/2019
limit actually had the big brain strat for the burn
you go into the phase with everyone sated except 1 person and they lust them self to block jaina, then lust the group on jaina
Impakt02/06/2019
you start generating stacks after nathanos dies
Squirl02/06/2019
podra said that strat wasn't very reliable. it also increases the healing you need
Impakt02/06/2019
the burn is killing jaina before stacks kill you
not only is it not reliable, but it's worse damage
losing 18 seconds of jaina uptime
is worse than 19 people with lust
also, if you lust the ice wall like method
ranged all get lust to hit jaina
for like 5-10 seconds
Squirl02/06/2019
I thought you had to cancel lust before the interrupt otherwise she blocks
Impakt02/06/2019
you
you do
but jaina is 100% attackable while casting the freeze
before wall dies
Squirl02/06/2019
oh right, that part
Veyloris02/06/2019
Sometimes she just doesn't block is the thing
to the solo person lust
and then you're just boned
WTB Blood DK02/06/2019
https://clips.twitch.tv/ResoluteScaryPoxLeeroyJenkins
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Hyper02/06/2019
https://wago.io/dqF3h8q-E
Weakaura Pack - Includes: jaina energy bar, alternate power bar (with ticks), nearby player counter with adjustable radius and player limit, heart of frost ticker for last 2 phases
Jaina - AK | Wago.io
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Veyloris02/07/2019
https://i.gyazo.com/de906db825a6384c06c903c055bcb89c.png

Veyloris02/07/2019
https://i.gyazo.com/43b07fd63b93e4d1a3cdfc43bcce38d1.jpg

Veyloris02/08/2019
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/375490246 @ 6:28:30 or so
Twitch
Mythic Battle of Dazar'alor - Race to World First

ROCK HEADED02/08/2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAKPoSMGXB4
http://puu.sh/CJ4kP/f89bf5993b.jpg
They have lust debuff alreadybefore they pull. I believe that how they have her iceblock on transition by  lusting again like 15 seconds before their debuff expires. OR Raid prelusts, then summons/rezzes someone without the debuff and use lust during transition so they get the debuff triggering her ice block. Also should raid lust before she comes out of ice block.
http://puu.sh/CJ4mC/c0a20e7715.jpg
It also looks like the prot paladin is suppose to spellward and interupt the adds on the opposite side of the room to reduce orbs during 60% transition, or it looks like he finds her and confirms the 1/2/3/4/5 position.
http://puu.sh/CJ4pl/6e13bc6f4e.jpg
Avalanches should be baited into the middle and the ice shards that come out should be absorbed by an immunity for less chances of roots on the raid.
YouTube
Atroxe
Limit vs Mythic Jaina - Atroxx (Shadow Priest) PoV




And ofc some things will be common knowledge but baiting the glacial ray to the wall is needed. Broadsides are moved out together to prevent ice blocks
http://puu.sh/CJ4rO/4f3dd5982f.jpg

The 2nd avalanche that comes out has to be escourted with a mobile class. [Thats prolly all we need to focus on for monday raid] Getting this part down and getting to the wall will make wall phase and last phase better with b rezzes in play imo.
ROCK HEADED02/08/2019
http://puu.sh/CJ4U8/e8163dd819.jpg

It looks like the hunter is the one that didnt have the lust debuff for the kill prepull
ROCK HEADED02/08/2019
if we arent doing the lust thing then just ignore that part. But making sure u are with a buddie in the snow is what we need to work on for p2 prog
retired retard rogue02/08/2019

Supposed limit statement
https://wow.heroeshearth.com/b/Tagzz/read/what-happened-to-limit-on-jaina                     Idk if this was posted somewhere but u can read full article
Veyloris02/08/2019
Yeah, we're ignoring the lust strat limit did, it's actually just bad.
I talked to Sako about the avalanche escort thing pre-raid too, so he's ready to do that.
I honestly think the biggest thing about p2 is getting through p1
:wave: demo :wave:02/08/2019
Can you set lock pets on jaina and insta kick when you break nathanos
Impakt02/08/2019
hmmm
maybe
:wave: demo :wave:02/08/2019
Possible large brain plays. Even though I feel like method and limit would have attempted this
Impakt02/08/2019
well, not limit
this wouldnt work with their strat
:wave: demo :wave:02/08/2019
We can test in heroic sales this weekend
Squirl02/08/2019
jaina is preeetty far away. would be surprising
:wave: demo :wave:02/08/2019
I assume it will function like imonar did in antorus and the pets will just leash back
ROCK HEADED02/08/2019
Is there an add on that allows you to see world markers on the mini map?
Estelle02/08/2019
yeah it's called birth
ROCK HEADED02/08/2019
Something that allows sako to ping the map where he sees Jaina and then impact/bubble can call which side is fast/slow
Squirl02/08/2019
it's going to be 10x faster if he just calls which side jaina is on and how many images are between us and jaina
Syreth02/08/2019
https://wago.io/58HVueg1j shows if you have the jaina offhand equipped if you are swapping weapons.
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Squirl02/09/2019
we can probably pick up some dps by doing adds in p1 more efficiently. Syreth noticed Limit isn't MCing them all off the boat. It looks like if you CC them during the Set Charge cast, they won't drop the charge, and they won't recast it; they just go into their fixate thing you can see it clearly at this timestamp: https://youtu.be/dlvdaD3rRZk?t=218
YouTube
Heroes Hearth
Limit's Jaina Kill 9/9M - World First Race Mythic Battle of Dazar'alor

1: wait for cast, leg sweep, just cleave down/abuse for st
2: SPs horrify each add as they land, then let them run around for a bit before MCing off
3: SPs horrify again, no MC; just ignore until phase
I think any ranged instant CC will work, so we have options that aren't just the SP horrify thing
another thing Limit does is their DHs stay in on first Ring and keep DPSing. They use Blur and dip into a melee fire. We might be able to do something similar with all melee using a spare raid CD if we have one
I think we'd have to abandon the initial fire bait on the right to do these and instead keep her where she is and try to bait fire behind where she is on pull, but it could buy us a lot more DPS, so it's probably worth at least trying
oh, since we don't need immediate MCs, we could just have our Disc do both MCs too instead of making our SP do one as well so he can keep DPSing
Easter Bunny02/09/2019
I think getting fixated and having to run around like a clown on a couple ppl is about the same damage gain as making sure the sweep is timely, cleave associated, and not having to cast Mc. I think it just creates a cluster fuck with the adds.
Basically destruction and demonology have very little AOE to ST conversion. Moonkin dotting is a damage loss. So it’s just spriest making it definitely not worth
Hyper02/09/2019
Staying in the ring as melee seems like a good idea. You can live the AOE, it just happens to line up with a blizzard, so you need at least 6 people to commit
Veyloris02/09/2019
Seems like double rogue/dk/dh/totem/enh
probably all have adequate personals for that?
Hyper02/09/2019
do the tanks have a reason to run out? DK personal lines up exactly with rings
Veyloris02/09/2019
Chris doesn’t but I always get that avalanche so I have to
Otherwise we’ll have some tragedy
Estelle02/09/2019
There is literally no healing during that, as long as you live you'll get topped pretty quickly
trinket town02/09/2019
Basically destruction and demonology have very little AOE to ST conversion.
Basically destruction have very little AOE to ST conversion.
??????? so tettles have you heard about havoc or is this new information to you
Squirl02/09/2019
they just eat the fixates in Limit's vid, so it shouldn't be a loss either
Veyloris02/09/2019
hoenstly hyper just grips one into melee and it accidentally gets deleted by incidental cleave
trinket town02/09/2019
theres an actual damage loss for me mcing, and anyone who can gain anything off of multi dotting, vs leaving the adds up and no one loses anything
besides maybe a 2 second trip into melee, which is basically my MC cast time
Veyloris02/09/2019
how about we take the best of both worlds and you mc it into melee
trinket town02/09/2019
how about i multi dot the adds instead
WTB Blood DK02/09/2019
don't you get insta blocked if you stay in the ring when it goes off, am i missing something
Veyloris02/09/2019
not if you're in fire
the fire instantly destroys blocks
like even if you get blocked and someone baits fire onto you a minute later it breaks it
WTB Blood DK02/09/2019
i see
Squirl02/09/2019
immunities prevent it as well. rogues have already been staying in on first ring with cos. AMS will work too
Squirl02/09/2019
if we have stuff free like SLT+Darkness, Barrier we could probably stay in for both rings
though second is much shorter, so it doesn't matter as much
EL-something02/09/2019
why
Easter Bunny02/09/2019
If the adds get blown up by incidental cleave it isn’t an issue. The issue lies with them running around fixated on people forcing them to move and miss casts / have delayed uptime, but squirrel addressed that with his comment of “they just eat the fixates.” Honestly, 2 priests MCing probably costs less than 5 seconds over all of P1. If we think it’s a significantly better strategy then we can do whatever. I think we’re overthinking this though
Squirl02/09/2019
I'm just trying to figure out ways to push a little more DPS so we can skip ring 3 every single time
Easter Bunny02/09/2019
How far off are we currently?
Squirl02/09/2019
we beat it on the perfect pulls, but p1 isn't a perfect phase
usually a few % off
Easter Bunny02/09/2019
Is it one of those things that’ll just fix itself when the phase gets smoother and people are playing better, or does it require a dramatic change
Squirl02/09/2019
I don't think these are particularly dramatic changes either
I feel like any extra cushion we give ourselves in p1 is going to result in a lot more pulls getting past it over the course of prog
we can't just let p1 be garbage every time jaina decides she wants to fuck with the timers
Easter Bunny02/09/2019
Which pull so far had the most seamless P1
Veyloris02/09/2019
Squirl is right, pushing mroe damage for almost no cost isn't bad
Easter Bunny02/09/2019
Idd, especially if there’s a breakpoint that we’re trying to meet
:wave: demo :wave:02/09/2019
Our priests are still mcing to prevent bomb drops i dont see why the extra few seconds to run them off is a problem
Veyloris02/09/2019
MCs and staying in for ice storms are somewhat disjoint topics. Staying in just seems worthwhile, it just increases our tolerance to losing damage in some points.
MCing is kind of expensive in terms of action economy. It still takes targeting, 1.5s cast, and walking to the edge. it's like 6s per priest per add.
trinket town02/09/2019
literally leaving them up and the locks getting a havoc for embers on each and w/e other ppl get is more damage than moving them off and 'focusing' on st
:wave: demo :wave:02/09/2019
havocing the adds when we should be havocing the cannons is a big yikes
trinket town02/09/2019
if it doesnt need to be hard swapped to
Veyloris02/09/2019
The bigger risk, yeah, seems like baiting people into doing dumb stuff
trinket town02/09/2019
why does it matter which you havoc
Veyloris02/09/2019
Because canons need to die much faster than adds
EL-something02/09/2019
seems like an omega trap speed kill strat instead of a 1st ever kill strat
Veyloris02/09/2019
?? Staying in for the ring of frost?
EL-something02/09/2019
yes
1st ring, 1st winds, 2nd avalanche
Veyloris02/09/2019
You don't take more damage staying in vs. going out
You know that right
It's the same exact damage incoming
And we have a DPS check to make
It's not like it's meaningless gain
Squirl02/09/2019
really? I thought there was falloff damage
EL-something02/09/2019
your taking damage from the ring and putting yourself out of position if you get the avalanche
Veyloris02/09/2019
No, the difference is the effect she applies to you
Squirl02/09/2019
there's no reason not to stand in then
Veyloris02/09/2019
Unless I'm just high, idk, I'll double check
Squirl02/09/2019
and rogues already stay in. the avalanche is not a problem in the slightest
Veyloris02/09/2019
Jk, it's 178k
It's a trap to just look at optimization and say "yeah that's better but people are going to mess it up"
trinket town02/09/2019
yea i guess we havent done a pull with the adds up to say the cannons wouldnt be killed any slower
Veyloris02/09/2019
at a certain point you need to actually have confidence that people can do relatively simple changes to the strat for the sake of prog
We've iterated a lot on P1 just on Thursday night and people adapted to the changes
:wave: demo :wave:02/09/2019
when will we stop getting bombs to late mcs
trinket town02/09/2019
?????
Blugatti Fan02/09/2019
we won't
Veyloris02/09/2019
We would be worse off of if we just changed things
trinket town02/09/2019
tromic are u dumb
Blugatti Fan02/09/2019
sometimes they drop bombs before they even spawn
Veyloris02/09/2019
You can get bombs even if the MC timing is perfect
We established that pretty early on
trinket town02/09/2019
i stun immediately and they do bombs before hand
Squirl02/09/2019
did you look at the timestamp I posted
Veyloris02/09/2019
Yeah, I think people missed the "stun instead of MC to stop bombs" thing
The stun seems like a more consistent way of preventing the bombs than MCing
MC cast time isn't insignificant
If it were instant and we never got bombs, there wouldn't really a be a discussion but the cast time makes it considerably more inconsistent since we rely on the adds to not just cast bomb right away in the 1.5s cast time
WTB Blood DK02/09/2019
we still could get bombs though cause they sometimes drop them while flying in
:wave: demo :wave:02/09/2019
idk tettles is right we are just over thinking this shit. if we just dont die early we can make the checks
Veyloris02/09/2019
I don't think that's true. Just saying "yeah this is less optimal but that's okay" seems weird this early on in prog.
Easter Bunny02/09/2019
What time do we need to push?
Veyloris02/09/2019
3:00
Squirl02/09/2019
~3min