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"You're Crazy If You're Up This Early" hosted by Randy Credico, transcript excerpt with guest Roger Stone. Broadcast date: March 12, 2016.

Excerpt goes from 37:30 to 55:10.

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RANDY CREDICO
We're going to go now to, uh, Miami, Florida, which is the scene of the huge primary on Tuesday. Make or break primary for Marco Rubio. We're being joined by one of the most, aaaaaah, interesting individuals I've ever met...he is a consultant, he is a strategist, he is a former Nixon aide, former Reagan aide...he's worked on many campaigns, I think he's probably one of the brightest observers of the political scene, particularly during election years. Roger. Roger Stone. Author-

ROGER STONE
Good morning.

CREDICO
Good morning. Also the author of about five or six books. Before we get into one of those books, what's your take on the situation yesterday in Chicago? At that Trump rally?

STONE
Yeah, it looked to me like paid agitators. Financed by moveon.org...

CREDICO
You think so?

STONE
Yeah. The most clever part, of course, is they're all decked out in Bernie Sanders gear...I doubt any of them are for Bernie Sanders. You see- I've come to the point, Randy, where I think that the right-left divide is a Hegelian device, [sic - side note: Stone has no understanding of the Hegelian dialectic, though he sometimes tries to cite it] that is used to distract us. From the fact that there's a small power elite running this country that has no ideology.

CREDICO
Right.

STONE
They're only interested in money. And power.

CREDICO
Right.

STONE
They're neither right or left. They back Barack Obama when it's in their interest. They back George Bush when it's in their interest. And, uh, I find myself having more and more in common with the Bernie Sanders supporters [this is a flat out lie; a tweet from Stone a few years back - "Soviet Agent Bernie Saunders, Should be arrested for treason and shot." link: https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/457025868917776384] 

CREDICO
Yeah.

STONE
They're right. Wall Street is screwing us.

CREDICO
Right. So.

STONE
I mean-

CREDICO
Yes?

STONE
Once you sort the hardcore lefties out of Bernie's crowd, what you've got left are a bunch of angry blue collar people who are unhappy about the fact that massive international trade deals have destroyed our job market. They've sucked out all the jobs. It's funny, but those are the same people I see at the Trump rally.

CREDICO
That's what I was going to say. Is the establishment afraid of both Trump and Sanders for the same reason?

STONE
Yeah. Particularly on economic issues, because they're the same. You can't get around the fact that whether it's Hillary Clinton or John Kasich, they both voted for NAFTA.

CREDICO
Right. So what does the primary look like on Tuesday? Are they just trying to destroy Trump by any means possible? The establishment? And, you know, I have my problems with Trump, but I think that the establishment is afraid of him? As they are of Bernie Sanders. Ultimately, I don't think either one will make it to the general election. Do you?

STONE
Well...anything is possible. It's American politics. On the other hand...yeah, they're both genuine outsiders. They're both guys who are not part of the system, who are not beholden for campaign contributions to special interests...the largest thing they have in common. And therefore, the consultant class, the lobbyist class, they're petrified that either one of these guys could become president. First of all, it wouldn't be very good for their business, because they make a living by saying "Oh yeah, we can get to him. Absolutely. We can get to him." Well, nobody gets to Trump. Nobody buys him, nobody bullies him, you can barely influence him. Very much his own man.

CREDICO
Well, Roger, do you-

STONE
And Bernie is yelling out some sad truths how a small coterie of millionaires, billionaires, are running the country.

CREDICO
Right. We'll have to talk about that in a second. On Trump, what kind of recommendations would you make to him? Do you think that what he does, some of the statements that he makes, some of the things that happen at his rallies, are just ad libbed, or are they planned? By his advisors. Or does he take advice from his advisors, like his campaign manager?

STONE
Nah, I think what you see is what you get. The rhetoric you get from Trump is his rhetoric. Look, he's his own strategist, he's his own speechwriter...he is his own press secretary. If you see this new ad about Marco Rubio, I bet you a dollar he wrote it, because it sounds like him. It's his money, it's his name, he's entitled to do it his way. Now, you know, he has his moments. When the Black Lives Matter group disrupted his rally last week, and after they were removed, he took the microphone and said: "All lives matter." That was an eloquent moment. It was a good moment.

CREDICO
For him. But a lot of people think that's a code basically saying black lives don't really matter, that we know all lives matter, but, you know, that's usually-

STONE
I don't agree. "All lives matter" means both black and white lives matter. Now: contrast that with him saying, "You know, in old days, we carried people like you out in stretchers."

CREDICO
Like Jilly Rizzo [sic] [an attempted reference to Frank Rizzo, aggressive former police commissioner and mayor of Philadelphia]? Right?

STONE
Frank Rizzo. Jilly's cousin [a joke - Jilly Rizzo was a restaurant owner and associate of Frank Sinatra] - one of the great police chiefs of Philadelphia right there. A little soft on the civil liberties question, but a good man.

CREDICO
Well, he's got Joe Arpaio down there in Arizona. Does he hang out with these guys?

STONE
God, I hope not.

CREDICO
You know, Joe Arpaio, does he hang out with...

STONE
Man, I've never met Joe Arpaio, but you can always tell what Joe had for lunch by looking at his tie.

CREDICO
[laughs] That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Roger Stone has a great sense of humor. A few years back, Roger Stone knocked them dead at the Yippie Museum, on 9th Street, Bleeker Street, about 2009, it was an amazing night. It's on video, if you go to youtube, you can see Roger Stone doing comedy at the Yippie Museum ["Roger Stone Performs at Yippie Cafe!", link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1XpJnSniKc]. So, now-

STONE
I think I was wearing a diaper. My whole act was an homage to Mahatma Gandhi, who was a very funny guy. People had no idea. He killed.

CREDICO
Great sense of humor.

STONE
That guy killed. He killed.

CREDICO
Well, he had a good act. Is that what you're saying?

STONE
Well, he-

CREDICO
I wouldn't want to follow him.

STONE
I think Jackie Mason used to open for him, so...

CREDICO
I don't know where we're going with this, I'll be honest with you. [CREDICO does either an impression of Jackie Mason or Bernie Sanders] I'll tell you the truth, Jackie Mason sounds a lot like Bernie Sanders, they have the same kind of delivery, _as you know_, let me ask you a question: what would you do, what would be your advice for Bernie Sanders to go after Hillary, what is he doing wrong?

STONE
I tell you what he is doing wrong...he's leaving the best issues on the table. He sits on economic issues, his constant haranguing against Wall Street and the big trade deals...fine, but what about the Clintons' war on women? What about her husband's role as a sexual predator? And her role as an accessory after the fact, in the bullying, intimidating, and silencing of his victims? So they don't testify, answer a subpoena, go public. I interviewed, for my book, _The Clintons' War on Women_, I interviewed twenty four women who've been sexually assaulted by Bill. The only difference between Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby, is that Cosby drugged his victims, and Bill Clinton overpowered them. Basically, overpowered them. And he likes to bite them. Biting is his signature move. He bites the upper lip. Roger Morris, of the Washington Post, Mike Isikoff of Newsweek, and I, all identify three different women who told the exact same story of having their upper lip bitten almost through, when they were assaulted by Bill Clinton. But the whole thing is-

CREDICO
Well, okay, but that's not a campaign issue, by him. It's certainly going to be, by Trump.

STONE
It should be an issue.

CREDICO
Sanders is not going to bring that up. There are a lot-

STONE
That's why he's going to lose. He's not going to bring up her tenure as Secretary of State. A disaster. Or the Clinton Foundation. Thievery.

CREDICO
Well, tell us about-

STONE
Those are the three issues he should be talking about, he won't talk about any of them. Which is why, Randy, he's going to lose.

CREDICO
Do you think that he does not want this, that he's really a stalking horse for Hillary?

STONE
No, of course not. I think he's a genuine socialist. He's a Democratic Socialist, it's like being a meat eating vegetarian-

CREDICO
Right.

STONE
But uh, I think that the guy's sincere. He just doesn't, like most liberals, want to fight. And he doesn't know how to fight. And therefore, the tough issues, that would take her down, her abuse of women, her lack of integrity and honesty, her tenure as Secretary of State, and the massive thieving and stealing of the Clinton Foundation, all of which I would make an issue, in any context, he's not going to bring up any of it.

CREDICO
Well, tell us about the massive stealing at the Clinton Foundation. In a nutshell.

STONE
The foundation's not a charity, it's a slush fund for grifters. It's a vehicle for the faciliation of multi-million dollar bribes. Peter Schweitzer's classic book, _Clinton Cash_, is a masterpiece, but: so much more is known now than when that book was written six months ago, because they've done a whole new round of state and federal filings for the charitable bureaus. And those filings are demonstrably permeated with fraud. I mean, this is- They've now opened affiliates for the Clinton Foundation in countries that have no reporting or transparency requirements. So, I could give five million to the Global Initiative Canada, and we would never know who gave the money, or who got the money, or what happened to it.

CREDICO
Yes.

STONE
I think it's the biggest organized crime scheme in American history.

CREDICO
Aaaaah...now what about these emails? Is that much ado about nothing?

STONE
No, on the contrary, what the emails prove is the nexus between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department. In other words, in a terrific series in The New York Times, if you're a Russian company, and you were trying to get a handle on, if you were trying to get control of uranium production in the United States, you write a very large cheque to the Clinton Foundation, and subsequently, your request is approved. [this theory of Stone's is soundly disproved in "No, Hillary Clinton did not "give Russia 20 percent of the uranium” in the US" http://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/17/14649980/trump-clinton-russia-uranium] Major two part series in The New York Times about that, some of the best writing of the past year. It's just one example. There are dozens of examples. nations who wanted to buy arms...needed the approval of the state department, they go and make multi-million contributions to the Clinton Foundation, and lo and behold, their arms approval requests are approved. There's- Look, there's an entire chapter in my...on the Clintons...

CREDICO
What's the name of your book, Roger? On the Clintons?

STONE
_The Clintons' War On Women_.

CREDICO
And that's published by?

STONE
Published by Skyhorse. Introduction by Kathleen Willey. It is a- You know, it is amazing how quickly things move, it's only been out four months, and it can already use an update.

CREDICO
No kidding.

STONE
Just in terms of what more is known about the Clinton Foundation, and the thievery that is going on there. Bill- Randy, to be candid, Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea, these people would steal a hot stove. [CREDICO laughs]

CREDICO
Is that in the book?

STONE
Yes, I think it's in the book.

CREDICO
So, that's available on Amazon, it's available, I think I saw you at Barnes & Nobles [sic], recently, signing autographs, with that book. You also have a book on the Bush crime family, a book on the assassination of JFK, by, it's about Lyndon Baines Johnson's role, he was the guy...

STONE
Did you see this, Randy, this is so amazing...this week, Ted Cruz's campaign actually put out a press release. They said that Neil Bush, whose defrauding of an S&L [Savings and Loans bank] cost American taxpayers 1.5 billion dollars, yet he never spent a single day in jail; that Neil Bush is now the head of Ted Cruz's finance committee.

CREDICO
You gotta be kidding me.

STONE
That's like announcing an endorsement from Bernie Madoff.

CREDICO
So, why is he bringing him on? So, eventually he brings...does Jeb Bush's endorsement mean anything at this point?

STONE
No, it doesn't. The family is still most certainly a force in Republican politics. They're bent on revenge.

CREDICO
I'm sure they are not happy with Donald Trump.

STONE
Come on. Barbara Bush is hitting the orange juice and vodka at ten every morning. She's gone by noon.

CREDICO
[laughs] How do you know that? How do you know that?

STONE
Because she uses the phone, and Republicans talk. She's on the phone, demanding the destruction of Donald Trump before she passes it out around four. [CREDICO laughs] She is- these people are bent on revenge. But- I mean, how would you put somebody like Neil Bush up front, what it does underline, I think most people don't believe, understand this [sic]. Ted Cruz talks a right, great game [sic]. He does a terrific imitation of a right wing yahoo, of the Elmer Gantry style. He went to Harvard, went to Princeton, he was George W. Bush's butt boy. He was his chief issues advisor in the first year of his presidency, and for the year of the campaign.

CREDICO
You're talking about Pat Buttram, Mr Haney [character on the TV show Green Acres, played by Buttram]?

STONE
Mr Haney, and by the way, Pat Buttram's estate should bring a lawsuit against Ted Cruz immediately.

CREDICO
I got to see him. He was actually a very good comedian, Pat Buttram. I saw him at the Royal Tahitian, my father's nightclub in Los Angeles, back in Ontario, California, back in the 1960s. Pat Buttram, I saw him, and I saw James Brown, and I saw Louis Armstrong, and, I gotta tell you, Roger, that-

STONE
The next time, the next time Ted Cruz is on TV, close your eyes and listen. And he sounds exactly [does Mr Haney voice] like Mister Douglas.

CREDICO
He does, he does. You're right. [does Haney as well] Mister Douglas, it sounds like this is Ted Cruz. Donald, Donald, he's going to pay for it. He's going to pay for this wall. Right, Mister Haney- Mister Douglas? [stops imitation] That's- You actually do it better than I do. It's a pretty good impression, Roger.

STONE
He is- It's interesting, because, also, as you know, he has an odd resemblance to your late friend, Al Lewis.

CREDICO
He does. He looks exactly like him. I put those pictures side by side, Al Lewis with his cape, and his dracula outfit...they look exactly the same. It's amazing.

STONE
May have been separated at birth. Who knows?

CREDICO
At any rate, Roger Stone. We thank you for being on the show. We will have you on again. Who do you predict will win the Florida primary?

STONE
I think it's Trump by nine points.

CREDICO
By nine points. We're gonna find-

STONE
By nine points. I think it's the end for little Marco.

CREDICO
What about Ohio? What about Ohio? Who wins that? Kasich?

STONE
I think Kasich will pull it out. The Ohio Republican party may be the best Republican party in the country in terms of organization, and in terms of structure. They actually know how to crank out their vote, and they really really really attack absentee votes-

CREDICO
How does Sanders do? How does Sanders do...on Tuesday?

STONE
I think he loses both of them.

CREDICO
Ohio and Florida. Yeah, well, Florida is a closed primary. But...what about Illinois? That goes into Hillary's...?

STONE
Well, first of all, I'm probably being a little harsh. Because he peaked severely in Michigan, I guess Ohio is not impossible. Again, I think these trade issues are really the most dominant. You're talking about signing a trade agreement that would give a tribunal of judges, international judges, authority over the United States constitution and U.S. law. They can knock out U.S. law. It's a bad deal, it's a lousy deal.

CREDICO
I agree, I agree with you, Roger.

STONE
As Perot would say, that sucking sound you hear-

CREDICO
[does Perot imitation] That sucking sound, I know what Perot would say, that sucking sound's going right to Mexico, and into Canada. I saw that- I remember that voice back then- [switches to Clinton imitation] Bill Clinton was all over it, I want to thank you Roger for being on our show...and when you're in New York, you're invited to do a set. Here. At the Commons Comedy Cafe, thank you very much. And we'll talk to you soon. We're going to go to this ad? Shall we go to the ad?