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[22:04:58] %Koiro恋色: are ppl here yet
[22:05:00] %ANALYTIC ♜: Okay hey everyone
[22:05:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: is tibbz here
[22:05:12] %ANALYTIC ♜: We're doing a workshop today
[22:05:16] %Koiro恋色: tibbz isnt going to be here for the most of it anyway
[22:05:22] %Koiro恋色: im more talking about AA
[22:05:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: The RMT and CT room are collab for dis
[22:05:30] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh should i voice our ct guests?
[22:05:35] %ANALYTIC ♜: y
[22:05:37] %ANALYTIC ♜: Pls
[22:05:39] @tibbz: Im here ish!
[22:05:39] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i see sunny, but i dont see attack
[22:05:42] %gradeagarchomp ✈: allattack can't get here
[22:05:45] %gradeagarchomp ✈: it's like 4 am for him
[22:05:50] %gradeagarchomp ✈: 3 w/e
[22:05:50] %ANALYTIC ♜: Sunny is herw
[22:05:54] SunnyORAS was promoted to Room Voice by Futatsuiwa of Sado.
[22:06:06] +SunnyORAS: Ah hello n.n
[22:06:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: Okay so it's just us?
[22:06:19] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i believe so, yes
[22:06:28] %Koiro恋色: so our lineup is Futatsuiwa of Sado, ANALYTIC, myself, and SunnyORAS?
[22:06:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and tibbz "ish" i guess
[22:06:45] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yeah. Aight what's our first core
[22:06:51] %Koiro恋色: do u want me to grab one
[22:06:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: Sure
[22:07:00] %ANALYTIC ♜: Then sunny
[22:07:00] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i have the list here
[22:07:03] @tibbz: Is everyone voiced modchat on all that good stuff
[22:07:04] %ANALYTIC ♜: And then ill pick
[22:07:04] +SunnyORAS: Keep in mind im helping from phone :x
[22:07:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think so tibbz, im not forgetting anyone am i?
[22:07:18] +SunnyORAS: If thats k w you guys
[22:07:19] %ANALYTIC ♜: Nedor
[22:07:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: Aint here
[22:07:27] +SunnyORAS: Yeah where is nedor
[22:07:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: he said he had like graduation to go to
[22:07:38] +SunnyORAS: Is he in ou rn?
[22:07:43] %ANALYTIC ♜: No
[22:07:45] +SunnyORAS: Ohh
[22:07:47] %ANALYTIC ♜: Let's just start
[22:07:47] %Koiro恋色: ok choices are between: mega diancie + kyurem-b
[22:07:48] +SunnyORAS: Rip
[22:07:48] %Koiro恋色: bisharp + mega latias
[22:07:49] %Koiro恋色: thundurus + breloom
[22:07:55] %Koiro恋色: or bisharp + mega scizor
[22:08:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and medicham+thundurus or manectric+bisharp
[22:08:06] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lets of bisharp
[22:08:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lots*
[22:08:21] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: should we just go in order from the first to the last?
[22:08:25] +SunnyORAS: Sure
[22:08:26] %ANALYTIC ♜: I like Bish and Sciz
[22:08:28] @tibbz: I was about to say lots of bish love
[22:08:35] %Koiro恋色: i think bish sciz seems cool too
[22:08:36] +SunnyORAS: Bish+msciz is hot
[22:08:36] @tibbz: Yeah i vote steel spam also
[22:08:39] %Koiro恋色: i kinda wanna start with that
[22:08:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: sure lets start with that then
[22:08:45] %ANALYTIC ♜: Okay let's begin
[22:08:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: do u have specific sets?
[22:08:58] %ANALYTIC ♜: Someone keep a pastebin log of this btw
[22:09:01] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/PbidmSDM
[22:09:07] %Koiro恋色: yeah ill keep logs of this whole thing
[22:09:07] +SunnyORAS: Sd sharp+sd sharp y/n
[22:09:13] +SunnyORAS: *sd sciz
[22:09:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: Imo Ada LO Bish fits better
[22:09:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: considering the core is about breaking down mutual checks, then yes i agree
[22:09:45] %Koiro恋色: i prefer lum to weaken stuff like rotom, talon etc
[22:09:52] %Koiro恋色: msab too
[22:09:57] +SunnyORAS: Lum is cool i suppose
[22:09:59] @tibbz: Yeah i was going to say lum bish
[22:10:32] %ANALYTIC ♜: I've this build in mind that will rid the relying on Lum bish
[22:10:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: We can edit it later on
[22:10:43] %Koiro恋色: so yeah the core obviously lends itself to a more offensive build
[22:10:43] @tibbz: Okay
[22:10:45] +SunnyORAS: Lum bish lets tou toss rotomw if its a slower msciz wet by chance
[22:10:50] +SunnyORAS: *set
[22:10:58] +SunnyORAS: Ok analytic
[22:11:13] %ANALYTIC ♜: The sets I mean
[22:11:25] %Koiro恋色: does anyone want to lead off with an idea/partner for the core
[22:11:27] %ANALYTIC ♜: So sciz plus bish
[22:11:36] %ANALYTIC ♜: What's our fight and fire resist
[22:11:44] %ANALYTIC ♜: I was thinking Slowbro
[22:11:51] +SunnyORAS: Ah bro
[22:11:57] %Koiro恋色: since ur running a more offensive build, i feel like itd be smarter to try find something that could support the wincons
[22:12:05] %ANALYTIC ♜: TankChomp
[22:12:21] +SunnyORAS: Tank chomp or lead landot was always goinf to be on it i suppose
[22:12:26] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yeah
[22:12:52] @tibbz: Well yeah
[22:12:56] +SunnyORAS: Id be running mix def slowling maybe or slowbro with a dash of sp.def
[22:13:02] +SunnyORAS: For volcanio.
[22:13:17] @tibbz: Standard ish set then
[22:13:19] +SunnyORAS: And keld
[22:14:43] %Koiro恋色: i feel like hwish might be a pretty decent idea with latias on a build like this, why would you sap all the offensive pressure of a core like bish + sd sciz
[22:14:50] %ANALYTIC ♜: That's true
[22:14:53] %Koiro恋色: with a fatter, slower, more passive pokemon
[22:15:05] +SunnyORAS: Hey does it have to be
[22:15:11] %Koiro恋色: latias gives u a water resist, keldeo switchin which is a p big annoyance
[22:15:12] +SunnyORAS: Mscizor necessarily?
[22:15:15] %Koiro恋色: also hwishes
[22:15:17] %ANALYTIC ♜: Y'all
[22:15:22] %Koiro恋色: considering both sciz and bish setup on ttar
[22:15:27] %Koiro恋色: if it tries to pursuit trap latias
[22:15:31] %ANALYTIC ♜: Ignoring the fire type weakness big-time
[22:15:32] %Koiro恋色: that seems like a pretty good idea
[22:15:51] +SunnyORAS: I think slowking or smth is kind of needed :x
[22:15:54] %Koiro恋色: we have 3 other slots if we have sciz bish lati
[22:16:07] %Koiro恋色: we can cover the fire weakness in those 3 slots without adding a momentum sap
[22:16:13] +SunnyORAS: What do you reckon fits the bill?
[22:16:23] +SunnyORAS: With sciz bish lati
[22:16:31] +SunnyORAS: Slowbro makes little sense
[22:16:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well we could use a bird check i guess?
[22:16:36] +SunnyORAS: Gyarados?
[22:16:43] %Koiro恋色: i think in general you want to at least try and keep the team a bit more offensive, so something like chomp or lando
[22:16:46] %Koiro恋色: makes the most sense to me
[22:16:54] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: thats what i was thinking as well once we add lati
[22:17:15] +SunnyORAS: Chomp/lati/gyara/bish/sciz...?
[22:17:50] %Koiro恋色: considering we could also run surf on latias to lure heatran too :o
[22:17:58] +SunnyORAS: Ah why not
[22:18:00] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ooh that sounds cool
[22:18:01] +SunnyORAS: Eq latias
[22:18:03] +SunnyORAS: The god
[22:18:11] %Koiro恋色: surf 2hkoes max hp heatran, and if tran is slow, sciz outspeeds and superpowers it
[22:18:16] +SunnyORAS: The rarest of rare lures used by tesung
[22:18:20] %Koiro恋色: i think surf hwish draco + filler is a smart idea
[22:18:39] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well earthquake does do more to heatran
[22:18:52] %Koiro恋色: latias also gives a check to electrics too, which are usually annoying to steels bc resistance
[22:18:57] %Koiro恋色: yes but surf also weakens grounrds
[22:18:59] %Koiro恋色: grounds*
[22:19:01] +SunnyORAS: If tran is your goal then yeah
[22:19:02] %Koiro恋色: like hippo. lando etc
[22:19:17] +SunnyORAS: Also you probably should run the so.def benchmark on chomp
[22:19:39] +SunnyORAS: In addition to having latias just so that stuff like mmanec/raim dont murk
[22:19:47] %ANALYTIC ♜: my only issue with the core is the heavy talon weakness
[22:19:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: and i dont think it'll be relieved
[22:20:05] +SunnyORAS: It wont probably
[22:20:06] %ANALYTIC ♜: uunless you add something liie a bro
[22:20:07] %Koiro恋色: lando or chomp should be fine vs offensive talon
[22:20:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah which is why i was considering something like lando or chomp to help with that as of now
[22:20:15] %Koiro恋色: and defensive talon loses to surf lati + lum bisharp
[22:20:19] %Koiro恋色: its not rly a problem
[22:20:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: maybe fast landorus+Tang
[22:20:30] %ANALYTIC ♜: is somethin we can add
[22:20:31] +SunnyORAS: Defensive talon will have
[22:20:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: tang helps with loom
[22:20:46] +SunnyORAS: Some room to manouvre tho
[22:20:47] %ANALYTIC ♜: sand
[22:21:00] +SunnyORAS: I just think sp.def wow is irritating in general
[22:21:03] %ANALYTIC ♜: yeah it definitely will
[22:21:06] +SunnyORAS: Rocky helm phys def tang
[22:21:11] +SunnyORAS: Probably fits best ngl
[22:21:23] %ANALYTIC ♜: koiro whatcha think of fast lando
[22:21:37] %Koiro恋色: fast lando seems rly smart
[22:21:38] @tibbz: Scarf or just fast?
[22:21:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: fast sr
[22:21:43] %Koiro恋色: as long as it has a bit of bulk
[22:21:46] %ANALYTIC ♜: yeah
[22:21:51] +SunnyORAS: Fast sr huh
[22:21:54] +SunnyORAS: Sd sr?
[22:21:58] %ANALYTIC ♜: 290 speed
[22:22:05] %Koiro恋色: probably like yache or smth
[22:22:08] %ANALYTIC ♜: should reach it rather
[22:22:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: hmm
[22:22:17] +SunnyORAS: Yeah that had better be rocky helm tang then
[22:22:17] %ANALYTIC ♜: that sounds nice
[22:22:23] +SunnyORAS: Gotta account for mlop!
[22:22:38] %ANALYTIC ♜: yup
[22:22:40] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: 290 would speed tie with standard breaker talonflame,
[22:22:46] %ANALYTIC ♜: 288
[22:22:52] %ANALYTIC ♜: is what univested reaches
[22:22:56] +SunnyORAS: Creep!!
[22:23:02] +SunnyORAS: Youre crweping by two
[22:23:06] +SunnyORAS: Should be enough
[22:23:11] %Koiro恋色: so wait u want jolly landorus as ur rocker to check talonflame
[22:23:12] @tibbz: Thats fine though right offensove tdlame doesnt have wisp
[22:23:22] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: most talon run 8 speed to outspeed kyub and burn it
[22:23:24] @tibbz: And the other builds are slower
[22:23:43] %ANALYTIC ♜: sciz / bish / latias / landorus / tangrowth
[22:23:47] %ANALYTIC ♜: hmm
[22:23:51] %ANALYTIC ♜: oh wait
[22:23:55] %Koiro恋色: i still dont get why theres a tangrowth on this offense
[22:24:01] +SunnyORAS: Gyarados y/n
[22:24:19] %ANALYTIC ♜: koiro havent u seen the modern offense builds
[22:24:21] +SunnyORAS: Tang is there as gwneric check to stuff
[22:24:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: yes
[22:24:27] +SunnyORAS: Like sand
[22:24:30] +SunnyORAS: And mlop
[22:24:37] %Koiro恋色: ive seen modern balance builds
[22:24:40] %Koiro恋色: or even bulky offense
[22:24:40] +SunnyORAS: That generallt theeaten offense
[22:24:52] %ANALYTIC ♜: yeah i mean the utility is great
[22:24:53] %ANALYTIC ♜: plus
[22:25:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: counterplay to tar+whatever combos
[22:25:31] %ANALYTIC ♜: you always need two water resists in oras
[22:25:42] +SunnyORAS: What do you reckon fits last slot
[22:26:05] %ANALYTIC ♜: we need a water
[22:26:07] +SunnyORAS: I want snekky snek the gyarados
[22:26:13] +SunnyORAS: :x
[22:26:13] %ANALYTIC ♜: keldeo or gyara
[22:26:26] +SunnyORAS: Ah keldeo is definitely an option
[22:26:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: fire resist
[22:26:31] %ANALYTIC ♜: yup
[22:26:31] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i like keldeo here tbh
[22:26:35] @tibbz: Whats a bigger isse mlop or rflame
[22:26:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: talonj
[22:26:42] +SunnyORAS: Flame prolly
[22:26:54] +Skarmx2: o Grats SunnyORAS!
[22:27:00] @tibbz: Well gyara the if thats tru
[22:27:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: Skarmx2 its temporary xP
[22:27:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: workshop
[22:27:06] +Skarmx2: o
[22:27:09] +Skarmx2: lol
[22:27:11] @tibbz: Lol rekt
[22:27:17] +SunnyORAS: Gg
[22:27:44] %ANALYTIC ♜: koiro
[22:27:49] %ANALYTIC ♜: what are your thoughts
[22:27:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait so we are using lum bish correct?
[22:27:54] +SunnyORAS: Y
[22:27:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: whatever works
[22:28:12] +SunnyORAS: Lum bish also helps with mew which looks like an issues
[22:28:13] %Koiro恋色: im a few steps behind, im not quite on this bandwagon
[22:28:16] %Koiro恋色: gimme a minute
[22:28:31] +Skarmx2: whats the team?
[22:28:41] @tibbz: Im just saying if were so concerned about tflame keldeo does not help
[22:28:54] %ANALYTIC ♜: sciz / bish / latias / landorus / tangrowth
[22:28:56] +SunnyORAS: Oki
[22:28:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: atm
[22:28:57] %Koiro恋色: the whole 2 water resist thing
[22:29:02] %Koiro恋色: i thought since this is an offense team
[22:29:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lum sd bish l offensive mega sciz l surf latias l offensive lando l tangrowth
[22:29:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if im on the right page
[22:29:08] %Koiro恋色: something like azumarill woudl be better
[22:29:10] %ANALYTIC ♜: ye
[22:29:14] +Skarmx2: o ok
[22:29:14] %ANALYTIC ♜: that can work
[22:29:16] @tibbz: There you go
[22:29:17] +SunnyORAS: Azu ded fits
[22:29:21] %ANALYTIC ♜: bd azu
[22:29:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: priority spam
[22:29:30] %ANALYTIC ♜: !!!
[22:29:34] +SunnyORAS: Wheee
[22:29:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ooh yas
[22:29:34] %Koiro恋色: im not sure it needs to be bd with 2 other sd mons
[22:29:39] %Koiro恋色: but lum seems nice
[22:29:45] +SunnyORAS: Avest could...work?
[22:29:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait is it sd lando?
[22:30:00] +SunnyORAS: I want to say avest or lum or smth
[22:30:12] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well
[22:30:12] %Koiro恋色: i have tankchomp on this variant, i think its way more needed to deter scizor bisharp etc
[22:30:18] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ferro actualyl looks pretty annoying
[22:30:24] %Koiro恋色: brb
[22:30:38] %ANALYTIC ♜: hp fire tang
[22:30:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: should be fine
[22:31:03] +SunnyORAS: Tank chomp + rocky helm tang sounds intriguing
[22:31:25] %ANALYTIC ♜: we'd prolly go for av tang then
[22:31:27] +SunnyORAS: Makes mdiancie
[22:31:35] +SunnyORAS: More of an issues then if we go
[22:31:44] %Koiro恋色: ok the version i have is
[22:31:47] +SunnyORAS: Chomp thougj unless its like roseli chomp
[22:31:51] +SunnyORAS: Or avest tang
[22:31:58] %Koiro恋色: bish, sciz, latias, tankchomp, azu, heatran/other fire type
[22:31:59] +SunnyORAS: Which leaves you open to sans
[22:33:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if we went with Koiro's build i think power herb tran might be interesting
[22:33:36] %ANALYTIC ♜: rotom over azu maybe?
[22:33:52] +SunnyORAS: Fast rotom-w?
[22:34:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: why not, sure
[22:35:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: be right back
[22:35:33] +SunnyORAS: I think koiro's build is a little soft vs some things on paper :x
[22:35:39] %Koiro恋色: feel name them
[22:36:19] %Koiro恋色: feel free to name them*
[22:36:53] +SunnyORAS: I think sand is a little harder/tflame is a little easier/mlop+anyother phys mon like bisharp looks alittle harder as well
[22:37:01] +SunnyORAS: P sleepy so might be wrong
[22:38:05] +SunnyORAS: And if its tran as the fire type then loom is also a little harder
[22:38:09] %Koiro恋色: u have tankchomp for stuff like lop and bish, alongside a bunch of prio mons
[22:38:20] %Koiro恋色: tankchomp + lati + msciz should be fine for breloom
[22:38:32] %Koiro恋色: keep in mind this is offense and u dont have hard checks to everything
[22:38:48] %Koiro恋色: as far as i can see there's adequate counterplay for most common things
[22:38:57] %Koiro恋色: i didnt really finalise heatran in the last slot
[22:39:04] @tibbz: Yeah it's always going to have problems with some specific things
[22:39:16] %ANALYTIC ♜: yeh
[22:39:42] @tibbz: Sounds like we're pretty done with this one?
[22:39:59] +SunnyORAS: I guess i just like having a little more backbone on offense
[22:40:06] +SunnyORAS: Looks cool
[22:40:45] %Koiro恋色: im not sure u should really look to have much of a solid backbone on an offense build *-*
[22:41:04] @tibbz: Unless anybody wants to make any changes somebody want to put that team in a paste and we'll move on to core #2?
[22:41:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: back
[22:41:19] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: have we finalized the team?
[22:41:26] +SunnyORAS: Yeah i suppose offense cant beat everuthing
[22:41:28] +SunnyORAS: So arw we
[22:41:30] @tibbz: I think so
[22:41:33] +SunnyORAS: Putting both in?
[22:41:40] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think someone should post a pastebin of the final team just to have it there
[22:41:49] %Koiro恋色: gimme a few minutes
[22:41:51] %Koiro恋色: ill make the team
[22:41:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ok Koiro can do that, lets move on to the next core
[22:42:05] @tibbz: Ty. In the meantime what's the next core
[22:42:10] +SunnyORAS: Id help pbin but im on phone sadly
[22:42:17] +SunnyORAS: Thundy+loom
[22:42:18] +SunnyORAS: Iirc
[22:42:21] %ANALYTIC ♜: sure
[22:42:24] @tibbz: Cool
[22:42:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: our options are: M-Diancie + Kyu-B, Bisharp+M-Lati, NP Thundy+Breloom, Medi+Thundy, and Bish+Mane
[22:42:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh if we decided already xP
[22:42:45] @tibbz: Lol
[22:42:56] @tibbz: Yeah so let's do thunderus/loom
[22:43:08] %DennisEG⚠: how u guys doing
[22:43:09] %DennisEG⚠: ?
[22:43:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hello dennis n_n
[22:43:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/D5hdJA2r so heres the core we will be building around next
[22:43:32] @tibbz: Helleo denniseg triangle exclamation point
[22:43:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: nedor would like this one if he was here
[22:44:09] +SunnyORAS: Hi!
[22:44:27] +SunnyORAS: Yeah hed rly like this core
[22:44:35] +SunnyORAS: Sucks that hes not here :x
[22:44:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so this kinda screams offense, i do think something to take on lati is definitely necessary here tho
[22:44:54] @tibbz: So the first thing to me we need something for lati
[22:44:57] @tibbz: Lmao
[22:45:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: get sniped
[22:45:01] @tibbz: Sniped
[22:45:04] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ...
[22:45:12] @tibbz: Sado stahhhp
[22:45:25] +SunnyORAS: Bisharp
[22:45:32] %DennisEG⚠: or scarf rachi
[22:45:34] +SunnyORAS: Or ttar
[22:45:35] %DennisEG⚠: or even spd rocks
[22:45:45] %Koiro恋色: ok
[22:45:46] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/X8hLXixR
[22:45:48] @tibbz: Or a lot of things
[22:45:48] %Koiro恋色: there we go
[22:46:00] %ANALYTIC ♜: loom plus thund hmm
[22:46:06] +SunnyORAS: Sp.ded rocks w those two sounds weird when youll end up with tank chomp at some point i think
[22:46:11] +Hector Hard Mode: offensively you struggle w/ weav, lati, and mega zam to some extent if you're not running thunder wave although you have to trade your thundy for it
[22:46:13] +SunnyORAS: Scarf rachi prolly fits
[22:46:15] %ANALYTIC ♜: crying for an electric check
[22:46:20] +SunnyORAS: Yes
[22:46:22] %ANALYTIC ♜: ice check
[22:46:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mmhm
[22:47:33] %DennisEG⚠: well dark and ice check
[22:47:35] %DennisEG⚠: only keld
[22:47:47] %DennisEG⚠: cuz jolly bish give troubles
[22:47:52] %DennisEG⚠: specially when loom is ada
[22:48:11] %Koiro恋色: no one rly runs jolly bish tbh, and regardless, best case is that loom takes a sucker
[22:48:34] +SunnyORAS: I suppose for bish a dexent answer is prolly tank chomp?
[22:48:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: or u can predict said sucker and sd or spore or smthing
[22:48:44] +SunnyORAS: Fits here certqinly
[22:49:39] %Koiro恋色: i think metagross is a good pairing with this
[22:49:46] %Koiro恋色: mega
[22:50:42] %Koiro恋色: it gives u a lati check, and also appreciates bulky grounds being worn down, meta doesnt run run zen headbutt anymore, so it appreciates venu being lures by hp fly thund
[22:50:49] +Hector Hard Mode: pursuit mega gross could also help take on latios while smacking clef and potentially using bullet punch to check weavile
[22:51:01] @tibbz: ^
[22:51:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah i like the sound of meta
[22:51:07] +SunnyORAS: Mega gross sounds fun on this
[22:51:11] @tibbz: I had the same thougjt about pursuit
[22:51:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we still do need an electric check desperately tho
[22:51:46] +SunnyORAS: I think bp is also an option
[22:51:51] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yeah
[22:51:52] +Hector Hard Mode: you can potentially run a yache lure on garchomp or landorus
[22:51:57] %Koiro恋色: pursuit is p much a neccesity
[22:51:58] +SunnyORAS: Considering how tough weav is
[22:52:02] %Koiro恋色: on a build like this
[22:52:06] +Hector Hard Mode: it's not going to take on weav, but it'll handle most elecs
[22:52:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah offensive yache lando could work
[22:53:06] +SunnyORAS: Yeqh if its yache lando or chomp i would def be looking at possibly bp/pursuit mgross as an option
[22:53:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: of course
[22:53:22] +SunnyORAS: Unlesa you tiss keld on it?
[22:53:34] +Hector Hard Mode: later on the team will also need a scarfer or other check to weav in addition to keld s/i and zard check
[22:54:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: azu?
[22:54:21] +SunnyORAS: I dont see how we can squuze in a dedicated check except azu
[22:54:35] +SunnyORAS: Oh azu checks weav+zardx
[22:55:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: something like talonflame could work, of course this would limit our last slot to a defogger or spinner
[22:55:23] +Hector Hard Mode: what kind of thundurus are we rolling w/
[22:55:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: np with hp flying
[22:55:30] +Hector Hard Mode: my b
[22:55:32] +SunnyORAS: I think talonflame on offense is hard :x
[22:55:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i can repost the sets if u want
[22:55:45] %Koiro恋色: oh also, ur gonna end up with lando or chomp on this team. i think it'll honestly depend on the last few slots. if you end up picking more ground resists then u can probably go chomp, if u dont, then lando is better
[22:56:35] %Koiro恋色: also, ur gonna be forced into lati or starmie if u run another rocks weak mon besides thund
[22:56:44] +SunnyORAS: Yeah you will end up with a yache ground type i suppose just make sure it doesnt end up overly weak to mlop though i suppose
[22:56:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
[22:56:58] %Koiro恋色: which means ur essentially taking up 2 slots if u add another rocks weakness, and u force the last mon to be likely lando
[22:57:35] %Koiro恋色: currently the build doesnt require hazard removal if u can fit 3 mons in the last 3 slots that try to keep up as much offensive pressure/momentum as possible
[22:58:42] %ANALYTIC ♜: What's the team atm
[22:58:46] +SunnyORAS: What is the team so far
[22:58:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: loom l thundy l metagross
[22:58:53] %Koiro恋色: thund, breloom, mega, lando/chomp
[22:58:56] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and lando*
[22:59:00] %Koiro恋色: meta*
[22:59:32] %ANALYTIC ♜: Why don't we go SR Lando+3 Attacks SD Chomp
[22:59:58] +SunnyORAS: Wooah
[23:00:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i was thinking azu earlier, but this makes us much weaker to electrics
[23:00:02] %Koiro恋色: u could make
[23:00:07] %Koiro恋色: yache chomp scarf land
[23:00:14] +SunnyORAS: Double ground
[23:00:17] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yache SD Chomp
[23:00:22] %ANALYTIC ♜: And SR Lando
[23:00:28] +SunnyORAS: Ah this sounds good
[23:00:41] %Koiro恋色: this team
[23:00:45] %Koiro恋色: is so weavile weak
[23:00:53] %Koiro恋色: yache chomp still dies to crash
[23:01:03] %Koiro恋色: ;-;
[23:01:19] +SunnyORAS: Keld actually fits well as does...bp gross!
[23:01:32] +Skarmx2: yo im back
[23:01:33] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Yache Berry Garchomp: 354-421 (99.1 - 117.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO oh wow gross
[23:01:34] +Skarmx2: whats the team
[23:01:40] %Koiro恋色: i think ur forced to run keldeo on the last slot no matter what
[23:01:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: thundy loom meta lando/chomp (possibly both)
[23:01:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: Azu(?)
[23:02:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: in the last slot?
[23:02:18] +SunnyORAS: Keld or azu ye
[23:02:20] %Koiro恋色: keldeo Futatsuiwa of Sado
[23:02:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah i do think keldeo looks much better here instead of azu at this point
[23:02:42] +Hector Hard Mode: ight soz guys i need to eat dinner, i'll try and get back later
[23:02:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if we're doing lando+chomp
[23:02:56] %Koiro恋色: i think scarflando seems like a good idea tbh
[23:03:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i agree
[23:03:05] +SunnyORAS: Oki cya hector!
[23:03:09] %Koiro恋色: so if we have
[23:03:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: helps with thundy and mane
[23:03:21] %Koiro恋色: thund, loom, meta, keldeo, scarflando
[23:03:22] +SunnyORAS: I think defensive lando offensive yache chomp
[23:03:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: defensive lando? nah
[23:03:33] %Koiro恋色: u cant have double no scarf ground
[23:03:38] %Koiro恋色: or ur gonna fold to keldeo
[23:03:45] %Koiro恋色: also u dont need defensive stuff on a team like this
[23:03:48] +SunnyORAS: Fair
[23:03:50] %Koiro恋色: if u can keep ur offensive pressure
[23:03:53] %ANALYTIC ♜: I mean
[23:04:01] %Koiro恋色: the same way u dont need slowbro or tang on the last team
[23:04:05] %ANALYTIC ♜: What's wrong with defensive lando
[23:04:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: On this team
[23:04:22] %Koiro恋色: the fact that scarf is better for this build
[23:04:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: all this team has for keld is thundy and loom, which dies to secret sword/icy wind
[23:04:35] %ANALYTIC ♜: I mean Latias as last
[23:04:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: HW support
[23:04:48] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah but weavile
[23:04:53] %ANALYTIC ♜: And since when did Landorus become a Keldeo answer
[23:04:59] +SunnyORAS: Ah weavile weak thw team
[23:05:21] %ANALYTIC ♜: Imo go for Klefki over Meta
[23:05:26] +SunnyORAS: Comically weavile weak rn
[23:05:30] %ANALYTIC ♜: And choose another mega
[23:05:32] %Koiro恋色: i currently have: thund, loom, megameta, keldeo, scarfland
[23:05:34] %Koiro恋色: how is
[23:05:35] %ANALYTIC ♜: Solves everything
[23:05:36] %Koiro恋色: a keldeo team
[23:05:40] %Koiro恋色: comically weav weak
[23:05:54] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well analytic does hav ea point
[23:05:58] +SunnyORAS: Oh i thougjt
[23:05:59] +SunnyORAS: Keld wasnt there
[23:06:00] +SunnyORAS: Mb!
[23:06:00] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: klefki sovles a lot of issues with the team
[23:06:10] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: like weavile
[23:06:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: Spikes support is so good for Thund+Loom as well
[23:06:32] %Koiro恋色: metagross beats weavile 1v1, and keldeo is legit a hard answer
[23:06:42] %Koiro恋色: idg this random idea that we're weak to weavile with this build
[23:06:50] +SunnyORAS: If keld ia there you probably have enougj to check weav with surely?
[23:07:03] %ANALYTIC ♜: It's not just Weav
[23:07:12] +SunnyORAS: Ah
[23:07:22] +SunnyORAS: You just want generic offwnse support
[23:07:23] +SunnyORAS: With twave and spikes
[23:07:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: That Klefki solves
[23:07:27] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yas
[23:07:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: Loom+Thundurus appreciate it so mucg
[23:07:45] %ANALYTIC ♜: We could run
[23:07:53] +SunnyORAS: Is the the thundy np?
[23:07:53] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: klef>meta and then something to help with keld>garchomp maybe?
[23:07:54] %ANALYTIC ♜: Sumthing like M-Medicham
[23:07:57] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yes the thundy is np
[23:08:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: To prey on Twave
[23:08:15] %ANALYTIC ♜: How does this sound
[23:08:18] +SunnyORAS: Np 3 attacks?
[23:08:19] +SunnyORAS: Just asking!
[23:08:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: its hp flying nasty plot thunderbolt focus blast
[23:09:22] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so if im correct, the teams breloom l thundy l klefki l yache rocks lando t l medicham l keldeo?
[23:09:35] +SunnyORAS: Yes i think so
[23:10:48] +SunnyORAS: I wanna say that fake out bp sounds like a fun cjam set that lets you check quite a few things with cham as well
[23:11:45] %Koiro恋色: starmie, LO torn-t, opposing thundurus, offensive talonflame
[23:12:10] %ANALYTIC ♜: I gtg guys
[23:12:13] %ANALYTIC ♜: Peace
[23:12:17] +SunnyORAS: Bye :c
[23:12:19] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: cya analytic
[23:12:32] %Koiro恋色: i dont like this build
[23:12:48] +SunnyORAS: All of those look...troublesome
[23:12:49] +SunnyORAS: To sah the least
[23:12:49] %Koiro恋色: im also not a huge fan of offense where ur fastest 2 mons are thundurus and keldeo
[23:13:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: scarf the keld?
[23:13:10] +SunnyORAS: Tflame seems to be something we kind of overlooked
[23:13:19] +Skarmx2: dont scarf keld pls
[23:13:28] +SunnyORAS: The sd flare blitz variant is v tough to deal with
[23:13:35] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mhmm
[23:13:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we have to para with klefki then revenge it with like thundy or something
[23:14:09] %Koiro恋色: id be scared if klefki was my tflame counter ngl
[23:14:28] %Koiro恋色: also, wisp is massively threatening too
[23:14:39] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: m-diancie maybe?
[23:15:06] %Koiro恋色: what was wrong with the original core of thund, loom, metagross + ground + water + filler
[23:15:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well lets go back to that then
[23:15:42] %Koiro恋色: im not sure this specific core rly needs the spike support that was specified
[23:15:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: loom+thundy+meta+lando-t+keld something?
[23:15:53] %Koiro恋色: like thund is a lure for grasses and breloom beats up on grounds anyway
[23:16:00] %Koiro恋色: i think just the first 3 are set
[23:16:07] %Koiro恋色: although chomp/lando is a given in the last 3 slots
[23:16:12] +SunnyORAS: Yeah
[23:16:25] +SunnyORAS: Lets try again from that
[23:16:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so lets identify issues with loom+thundy+meta+lando-t/chomp
[23:17:14] +SunnyORAS: Wow tflame
[23:17:25] +SunnyORAS: If itngets wow off
[23:18:24] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: resto chesto gyara? *-*
[23:18:37] %Koiro恋色: this is scarily close to a team Hector Hard Mode already made
[23:18:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and nedor's team
[23:19:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah play without limits was literally breloom thundy garch gyara
[23:19:26] %Koiro恋色: im still of the belief that scarflando is a good idea
[23:19:33] %Koiro恋色: lemme see how i can work in the last 2 slots
[23:19:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: personally, i agree
[23:22:04] %Koiro恋色: ok so
[23:22:06] %Koiro恋色: in the next slot
[23:22:13] +SunnyORAS: Lol ned's team v2
[23:22:58] %Koiro恋色: yache rocks chomp gives a rocker that also checks a lot of those annoying offense mons like thundurus, starmie, talon
[23:23:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah it doe
[23:23:06] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: s
[23:23:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: then maybe scarf lando+water for last 2 slots?
[23:23:36] %Koiro恋色: so i like double ground with scarflando + yache chomp
[23:23:42] %Koiro恋色: it also makes the team v solid vs elects
[23:23:52] %Koiro恋色: we have plenty of stuff to check most things
[23:24:00] %Koiro恋色: meta thund lando chomp
[23:24:05] %Koiro恋色: are all pretty able rkillers
[23:24:11] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yea
[23:24:47] +SunnyORAS: Try scarf lando+keld
[23:24:50] +SunnyORAS: I guess
[23:24:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: the last slot could go to like keld or azu imo
[23:25:06] +SunnyORAS: If thats pursuit mgroes helps out w that too
[23:25:53] %Koiro恋色: i think last slot is likely a steel
[23:26:52] +SunnyORAS: Ideas?
[23:26:55] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: sciz is an option, but this makes it, as sunny phrased it, ned's team v2
[23:27:47] +SunnyORAS: I think at the end od this core w/e end up with we probably will end up comparing it to that team tbh
[23:28:07] +SunnyORAS: To some extent anyway
[23:29:01] %Koiro恋色: i feel like this team is going to naturally be a bit weavile weak, and ur just gonna have to play with the combiantion of scarflando + megameta(which lives knock) + stealth rock
[23:29:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: breloom also lives an ice shard
[23:29:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: assuming not band
[23:29:47] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and if its band we can play around it
[23:29:50] +SunnyORAS: Also if yahce rocks is your way round electrics preferably we have other tflame checks n stuff
[23:29:52] +SunnyORAS: Yeah
[23:31:14] %Koiro恋色: ok so the last slot is interchangeable then, u could make it double scarfed like keldeo or gengar, or put on klefki
[23:31:26] %Koiro恋色: with dgleam
[23:31:49] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: alright, so we done with this team?
[23:32:07] %Koiro恋色: other option is manaphy/keldeo/starmie
[23:32:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i do like manaphy here
[23:32:38] %Koiro恋色: yeah lets go manaphy then, done
[23:32:42] %Koiro恋色: ill pb it
[23:32:42] +SunnyORAS: Mana sounds
[23:32:43] +SunnyORAS: Cool
[23:32:47] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: k next core?
[23:32:53] +SunnyORAS: Gives way to play against stall
[23:32:56] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: how does m diancie+kyub sound
[23:33:09] +SunnyORAS: I m not a big kyub fan frankly
[23:33:28] +SunnyORAS: Mdiancie is amazing though
[23:33:36] +SunnyORAS: So lets have a vrack at it
[23:33:40] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: our other choices are bish+mlati, cham+thundy, and bish+man
[23:33:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh ok lol
[23:33:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: AA mentioned something about using phys/sharpen m diancie in that core as a cool idea
[23:34:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: as well as hp fire kyub to lure steels
[23:34:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: do we wanna go with that?
[23:34:43] +SunnyORAS: Fits for sure
[23:34:53] %Koiro恋色: there
[23:34:53] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/z5eu0QPh
[23:34:55] +SunnyORAS: Make sure thay we dont end up with overly
[23:35:01] +SunnyORAS: Msciz weak team tho
[23:35:10] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: of course not
[23:35:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: the core is absurdly weak to steels
[23:35:41] %Koiro恋色: whats the core
[23:35:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: btw Koiro, we're doing sharpen mdiancie+hp firekyub now
[23:35:55] %DennisEG⚠: RD manaphy could work well enough tho
[23:35:57] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we can change the sets btw, thats just something AA mentioned as being an interesting idea
[23:36:08] +SunnyORAS: Yeah
[23:36:09] %Koiro恋色: do u need hp fire kyube with that? why not magneton/zone?
[23:36:26] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mm yeah that sounds like a better idea
[23:36:39] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we would definitely need something for sand tho
[23:36:40] +SunnyORAS: Ah magnezine
[23:36:53] %Koiro恋色: that especially frees up sharpen diancie, if that's what you want to go with
[23:37:20] +SunnyORAS: Could even go magneton if you really needed to!
[23:37:59] %Koiro恋色: theres also the balloon + mrise magnezone
[23:38:03] +SunnyORAS: Especially if we end up oberly tflame weak at some point which probably wont happen
[23:38:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i dont think we need magneton
[23:38:13] %Koiro恋色: i mean kyurem + diancie
[23:38:17] %Koiro恋色: is very solid vs talon
[23:38:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
[23:38:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and dragonite after a ddance
[23:38:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and i like the balloon+rise magnezone idea
[23:39:16] %Koiro恋色: ok lets see what works best, i think scarf might be ok
[23:39:29] %DennisEG⚠: whats the main core?
[23:39:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if the team becomes overlly weak to sand, then we can change to balloon
[23:39:35] %Koiro恋色: sharpen diancie + kyube
[23:39:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^
[23:39:50] %DennisEG⚠: weak to sand + keld
[23:40:01] %Koiro恋色: weak to fighting types in general
[23:40:04] %DennisEG⚠: what type of kyub is ?
[23:40:05] %Koiro恋色: breloom, lop etc
[23:40:13] %Koiro恋色: i think roost will be best
[23:40:20] %Koiro恋色: to check mana + elecs like mane
[23:40:24] %DennisEG⚠: i like roost LO yeah
[23:40:28] %Koiro恋色: since diancie is a rocks deterrent
[23:40:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mhm
[23:40:45] %Koiro恋色: u should be able to check most stuff decently w/ roost w/o having to recover off rocks too much
[23:40:45] %DennisEG⚠: ill prob put hp fire on kyub
[23:40:51] %Koiro恋色: we have magnets
[23:40:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^ that what was originally on kyub
[23:41:02] %Koiro恋色: i think scarf magnets is best for this
[23:41:30] %DennisEG⚠: i feel any of those mons pairs well with rotom-w
[23:41:43] %Koiro恋色: i think a fat grass like tang works nicely here
[23:41:49] %Koiro恋色: for lop, loom + exca
[23:41:55] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: definitely sand
[23:41:55] %Koiro恋色: also water resist
[23:42:06] %Koiro恋色: lando too
[23:42:22] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: brb
[23:42:33] %Koiro恋色: oh also, ebelt kyurem might be a cool option
[23:42:50] %DennisEG⚠: mm RH tang isnt a keld switch
[23:42:53] +SunnyORAS: Yeah ebelt might be a cool option
[23:42:56] %Koiro恋色: u can bluff scarf and catch steels/fairies
[23:42:59] +SunnyORAS: It isnt
[23:43:06] %Koiro恋色: i didnt say tang was a keld switchin
[23:43:15] %Koiro恋色: its more for lop, loom, exca, lando
[23:43:30] %Koiro恋色: + sleep powder gives kyube and diancie free turns
[23:43:59] %DennisEG⚠: mmm sounds good
[23:44:12] +SunnyORAS: How much more time do we have?
[23:44:20] %DennisEG⚠: i was more orinted in a voltturn combo to get for free kyub/dian
[23:44:59] %Koiro恋色: this will be the last core
[23:45:01] +SunnyORAS: Could do torn-t with u-turn
[23:45:11] +SunnyORAS: Drags in things for kyub to exploit
[23:45:19] +SunnyORAS: Or possibly lets you trap skarm
[23:45:34] +SunnyORAS: Avest possibly fits?
[23:45:41] %DennisEG⚠: fat av
[23:45:43] %Koiro恋色: torn + diancie is rly nice tbh
[23:45:53] %Koiro恋色: because it gives u a grass check
[23:46:00] %DennisEG⚠: as we're looking for a keld switch as well
[23:46:03] %Koiro恋色: but also keldeo too
[23:47:12] +SunnyORAS: Avest sort of answers it
[23:47:14] %Koiro恋色: ok so
[23:47:21] %DennisEG⚠: like a fat spread
[23:47:25] %Koiro恋色: sharpen diancie, kyurem, mag, av torn
[23:47:26] %DennisEG⚠: the only 88 spa
[23:47:35] +SunnyORAS: Im rly liking how this is looking rn tbh
[23:47:42] +SunnyORAS: Diancie zone is rly effective rn
[23:47:48] +SunnyORAS: And rock stab is godly
[23:47:54] %DennisEG⚠: we a need a sand check
[23:48:01] +SunnyORAS: Rcky jelm
[23:48:02] +SunnyORAS: Tang
[23:48:04] %Koiro恋色: slowbro fits better on that
[23:48:05] %Koiro恋色: imo
[23:48:13] +SunnyORAS: Answers sd grounds as well
[23:48:16] %Koiro恋色: also checks zardx too
[23:48:22] %Koiro恋色: + regen core
[23:48:23] %DennisEG⚠: slowbro will make the team so weak to electric
[23:48:35] %Koiro恋色: and more reliable keldeo switchin
[23:48:44] +SunnyORAS: Would tang bro work?
[23:48:54] +SunnyORAS: You have enough offensive stuff as is just wobdering
[23:48:56] %Koiro恋色: u have kyurem + another slot
[23:49:00] %Koiro恋色: idt its too elec weak
[23:49:06] %Koiro恋色: esp since we dont have a rocker yet
[23:49:07] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: back, whats the team so far
[23:49:13] %DennisEG⚠: i like tang
[23:49:16] %Koiro恋色: diancie, kyurem, mag, torn, bro
[23:49:17] %DennisEG⚠: over bro
[23:49:24] %Koiro恋色: last slot has to be a rocker
[23:49:37] %DennisEG⚠: tang over bro covers more
[23:49:39] +SunnyORAS: Landot/kyub/mag/mdiancie/av torn/tang?
[23:49:46] %DennisEG⚠: knock off to get rid off shed shell
[23:49:48] +SunnyORAS: Can that work?
[23:49:50] %DennisEG⚠: is better than bro
[23:49:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh i think that works
[23:50:09] %DennisEG⚠: i like hippo here more with whirl
[23:50:29] %DennisEG⚠: and reliable recovery
[23:50:39] +SunnyORAS: Hippo might work
[23:52:39] +SunnyORAS: Worth a shot!
[23:52:39] %Koiro恋色: tbh if the team needs to free up slots
[23:52:57] %Koiro恋色: u could drop mag, and run heat wave torn, hp fire kyube, hp fire diancie
[23:53:06] @Andromeda: AllAttack wants to join
[23:53:09] @Andromeda: should I add him?
[23:53:10] +SunnyORAS: Yeah thats an option
[23:53:11] +SunnyORAS: Ayyy
[23:53:18] %Koiro恋色: thats basically going to make up for ur trapping alongside hippo being able to ww
[23:53:19] +SunnyORAS: Last core but add imo
[23:53:22] %Koiro恋色: yee do it Andromeda
[23:53:24] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ok
[23:53:26] AllAttack was promoted to Room Voice by Andromeda.
[23:53:30] +SunnyORAS: Hnnng
[23:53:44] +SunnyORAS: Attack(flex)
[23:53:44] +AllAttack: sorry i had bad internet
[23:53:45] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so last core is bish+m lati, bish+mane, or medi+thundy
[23:53:45] %Koiro恋色: does that seem better maybe?
[23:54:05] %Koiro恋色: wait Futatsuiwa of Sado whats the team we just made
[23:54:08] %Koiro恋色: are we even done
[23:54:16] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh i assumed we were done xP
[23:54:23] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: sorry im tired
[23:54:52] +SunnyORAS: We can keep other for next time
[23:54:58] %Koiro恋色: ok so, diancie, kyurem, torn, hippo, tang
[23:55:17] %Koiro恋色: ww hippo
[23:55:25] %DennisEG⚠: ye
[23:55:26] %Koiro恋色: heat wave torn, hp fire on diancie and kyurem
[23:55:33] +AllAttack: yeah that's a good lure
[23:55:41] %DennisEG⚠: last slot has to be an steel type
[23:55:43] +AllAttack: 4 atks kyurem?
[23:55:47] %DennisEG⚠: like rachi or magn
[23:56:00] +AllAttack: heatran or rachi looks good
[23:56:04] +AllAttack: we need a stallbreaker
[23:56:06] +SunnyORAS: I wann sY
[23:56:08] +AllAttack: that's more consistent
[23:56:08] +SunnyORAS: Tran
[23:56:18] +SunnyORAS: Magm storm
[23:56:24] +AllAttack: taunt toxic
[23:56:26] +AllAttack: y
[23:58:17] +SunnyORAS: Hnng max speed tran to flex on offensive sciz
[23:58:26] +AllAttack: you sure?
[23:58:37] +SunnyORAS: Its an option i think
[23:58:44] +SunnyORAS: Since we dropped zone i think
[23:58:47] +AllAttack: we kindan eed it but we lose stallbreaking prowess
[23:58:49] +SunnyORAS: To open up a slot
[23:59:07] %DennisEG⚠: we have heat torn, and dual hp fire
[23:59:13] %DennisEG⚠: + prob hp fire tang
[23:59:20] %Koiro恋色: yeah
[23:59:20] +SunnyORAS: Hmm sharpen mdiancie can toss stall tho for the most part
[23:59:24] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^
[23:59:27] %Koiro恋色: ive got all the sets done besides the last slot
[23:59:37] %Koiro恋色: but with hp fire diancie, im not sure u can afford sharpen as well
[23:59:41] +SunnyORAS: Amoong and quag are your problems with sharoen mdicnaie tho
[23:59:44] +SunnyORAS: It hink
[23:59:45] +AllAttack: oh did you use physical diancie like i suggested?
[23:59:48] %DennisEG⚠: gotta be rachi
[23:59:49] %Koiro恋色: and in general stallbreaker variants of heatran or jirachi seem good in the last slot
[23:59:49] +SunnyORAS: Ye
[23:59:51] %Koiro恋色: yeah its physical
[23:59:52] +AllAttack: yeah then it's fine
[00:00:00] +AllAttack: because you're not setup bait
[00:00:13] %Koiro恋色: last slot subtoxic jirachi?
[00:00:21] +AllAttack: i was thinking that
[00:00:35] %Koiro恋色: ill pb that version
[00:00:35] +AllAttack: if we did, i wouldn't run 160atk+
[00:00:38] %Koiro恋色: if we're all done
[00:00:45] +AllAttack: maybe def investment instead
[00:01:02] +SunnyORAS: Might wanna see if sp.def sub tox works out or not
[00:01:08] +AllAttack: y
[00:01:15] +SunnyORAS: These look like fub teama tho
[00:01:28] +SunnyORAS: Looking forward to trying them out
[00:01:40] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ikr
[00:01:58] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/4cqaujLf
[00:02:03] %Koiro恋色: thats the current build
[00:02:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think thats it?
[00:02:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: next core?
[00:02:43] %Koiro恋色: i said that'd be the last one, but since AA just got here, i guess we could do 1 more. we're coming up on 2hours though
[00:02:44] %Koiro恋色: up to you
[00:03:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hmm aa do u wanna do one more or should we end it there?
[00:03:04] +AllAttack: i think we should prolly run epower on that diancie
[00:03:09] +AllAttack: heatran is too big a threat
[00:03:11] +AllAttack: to the team
[00:03:16] +SunnyORAS: We could def do one more
[00:03:18] +SunnyORAS: Ngl
[00:03:20] %Koiro恋色: diamond storm 2hkoes
[00:03:24] +AllAttack: yeah i guess
[00:03:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we also have hippo and kyub
[00:03:28] %Koiro恋色: why do u need epower, hippo checks too
[00:03:29] +AllAttack: just play conservatively
[00:03:31] %Koiro恋色: also hkyub
[00:03:32] +SunnyORAS: Itd suck tonhave aa onky for
[00:03:36] +SunnyORAS: 5 mins
[00:03:47] %Koiro恋色: im honestly ok to stop now
[00:04:04] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well aa, do u wanna do one more?
[00:04:07] +AllAttack: sure
[00:04:13] +SunnyORAS: Wew lad
[00:04:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: alright so we have 3 choices. mane+bish, medi+thundy, and mlati+bish
[00:04:41] %Koiro恋色: bish+m lati, bish+mane, or medi+thundy
[00:04:45] %Koiro恋色: yeah
[00:04:58] %Koiro恋色: i dont like any of these ;-;
[00:05:07] +AllAttack: the second one looks interesting
[00:05:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: tbh, neither do i but if i had to pick one, im more inclined towards medi+thundy
[00:05:13] +AllAttack: medi thundy
[00:05:15] +AllAttack: dame
[00:05:19] +AllAttack: same*
[00:05:21] %Koiro恋色: weav + mane seems better than bish + mane
[00:05:31] +SunnyORAS: Mlati+bish spike stack? Medi thundy sounds fun too
[00:05:37] %Koiro恋色: and we've already build a team with all these mons oo
[00:05:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well mlati is obviously gonna be spike stack
[00:06:18] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so whats the final verdict?
[00:06:22] %Koiro恋色: whats bisharp doing for mlati?
[00:06:33] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: trapping opposing lati in a hazard stack team i suppose
[00:06:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and starmie
[00:06:52] %Koiro恋色: that doesnt seem like super neccesary support, and bish is a pretty bad pursuit trapper oo
[00:06:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and mlati checks stuff like keld loom and volcanion
[00:06:54] +SunnyORAS: Scarf tar couldo that too
[00:06:56] +SunnyORAS: Tbh
[00:06:58] %Koiro恋色: yeah
[00:07:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah scarf tar is honestly better with lati
[00:07:11] +SunnyORAS: Scarf tar also check birds rly nicely
[00:07:21] %Koiro恋色: idk if im running one of those mega lati balances
[00:07:26] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so should we do scarf tar+lati hazard stack? *-*
[00:07:30] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: or are we doing medi+thundy
[00:07:31] %Koiro恋色: theres already the generic build type of
[00:07:42] %Koiro恋色: mlati, clef, spikes, rocks, pursuit, filler
[00:07:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: pretty much
[00:07:51] +AllAttack: mlati is a bit overhyped rn imo
[00:07:54] %Koiro恋色: i wouldnt mind building that, especially bc its kinda quick too
[00:07:56] +AllAttack: medi is used less iirc
[00:07:56] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so i think mlati wouldnt be as fun to build around
[00:08:10] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah medi sounds nice
[00:08:17] %Koiro恋色: ok lets do medi then
[00:08:18] %Koiro恋色: so we have
[00:08:24] %Koiro恋色: medicham + thundurus
[00:08:32] %Koiro恋色: thund should be twave for speed control
[00:08:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: that would be t wave thundy for speed control for cham?
[00:08:36] +AllAttack: y
[00:08:38] +SunnyORAS: Y
[00:08:46] +AllAttack: np teave could be an option but we can finish sets later
[00:08:50] +AllAttack: twave*
[00:08:57] +SunnyORAS: I say bullet punch cham
[00:09:16] %Koiro恋色: i think this frees up medi to run ice punch/zen + bp
[00:09:21] %DennisEG⚠: medi + dual genies + chomp + bish + keld
[00:09:34] %Koiro恋色: see all these medi builds build themselves
[00:09:37] +SunnyORAS: L0l
[00:09:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: xD
[00:09:39] %Koiro恋色: the same way the lati team would
[00:09:59] %DennisEG⚠: they are just generic stuff
[00:10:00] +SunnyORAS: 30 secondd team
[00:10:04] %Koiro恋色: we havent used mega lati, we've already built thundurus + mega metagross
[00:10:12] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well if anyone has a differnt core, shoot?
[00:10:18] +SunnyORAS: K
[00:10:25] %Koiro恋色: lets just go
[00:10:28] %Koiro恋色: mega lati
[00:10:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: or we could justr end it here
[00:10:32] %Koiro恋色: at least we havent used that archetype
[00:10:34] %Koiro恋色: and itll be quick
[00:10:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mega lati it is
[00:10:37] %Koiro恋色: so u have
[00:10:38] +SunnyORAS: I wanna build mega lati spike stacm
[00:10:41] +AllAttack: bo?
[00:10:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so we going mega lati+scarf tar?
[00:11:01] +SunnyORAS: Yeah
[00:11:08] %Koiro恋色: mega lati + spikes + rocks + pursuit + clef
[00:11:13] +AllAttack: ok so obviously we need a hazard setter
[00:11:15] +SunnyORAS: One good thing bisharp gives w spike stack is defiant but
[00:11:15] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: pretty much
[00:11:19] +SunnyORAS: Otherwise its not as good
[00:11:23] %Koiro恋色: spikers are between ferro and skarm
[00:11:26] +AllAttack: ferro
[00:11:30] %Koiro恋色: and rockers are between hippo and chomp
[00:11:36] %Koiro恋色: usually youll go hippo ferro
[00:11:38] %DennisEG⚠: we can use Mega lati/tar/nidoqueen dual hazards
[00:11:39] %Koiro恋色: or chomp skarm
[00:11:42] +SunnyORAS: You could do
[00:11:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lets do hippo cuz i dont wanna do chomp on 3/4 of these teams *-*
[00:11:52] +AllAttack: yea
[00:11:56] %Koiro恋色: ok so hippo ferro mega lati clef
[00:11:56] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yo nidoqueens cool
[00:11:57] +SunnyORAS: Skarm+chomp+tang?
[00:12:03] +SunnyORAS: Nidoqueen ayyu
[00:12:10] +AllAttack: the thing is
[00:12:14] +AllAttack: if we go that super passive
[00:12:22] +SunnyORAS: Queen is a cutie
[00:12:40] +AllAttack: ww hippo looks cool
[00:12:45] +AllAttack: spam phase with hazards
[00:12:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hmm yeah
[00:12:53] %Koiro恋色: yeah ww hippo is neccesary
[00:13:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so so far its just mlati, scarf tar, hippo, ferro?
[00:13:25] +SunnyORAS: Can tspikes nido worm?
[00:13:25] %DennisEG⚠: mega lati/tar/nidoqueen/LO torn/resttalk keld and rotom
[00:13:28] %Koiro恋色: and clefable
[00:13:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i really wanna try out nidoqueen
[00:13:59] +SunnyORAS: Nice
[00:14:07] +SunnyORAS: I reckon that looks fun
[00:14:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: garde looks annoying
[00:14:28] +AllAttack: very
[00:14:35] +SunnyORAS: Sp.def skarm somewhere?
[00:14:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and i guess eq m alt
[00:14:50] +AllAttack: chople ferro mitigates the issue but that's not reliable enough by itself
[00:14:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: as uncommon as malt is
[00:15:13] %Koiro恋色: teams with nidoqueen are gonna naturally have some sort of trouble because nidoqueen in general isnt a mon that is particularly self sufficient
[00:15:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: rachi>rotom?
[00:15:23] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait no thats way too vulnerable to exca
[00:15:28] +SunnyORAS: Fk
[00:16:03] +SunnyORAS: Could drop tornt but thrn youtr becoming more passive
[00:16:10] %Koiro恋色: if ur gonna go with nidoqueen, then u still want clefable on there, its easily the best mon on mlati hazard stack, ur gonna have to run a sturdy ground resist in there too
[00:16:23] %Koiro恋色: u essentially have 2 slots
[00:16:39] +AllAttack: nido + hippo or not
[00:16:47] +AllAttack: like are you running both grounds
[00:17:12] %Koiro恋色: i dont think u can afford to run hippo
[00:17:12] +SunnyORAS: Idta
[00:17:16] +AllAttack: same
[00:17:18] +SunnyORAS: *idts
[00:17:28] +AllAttack: they stack too many weaknesses for us here
[00:17:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hmm chesnaught?
[00:17:38] %Koiro恋色: i think spdef skarm
[00:17:41] %Koiro恋色: is the best idea
[00:17:43] +AllAttack: oo that would be interesting
[00:17:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
[00:17:48] +AllAttack: spdef skarm + chesnaught
[00:17:54] %Koiro恋色: huh, not both
[00:17:55] +AllAttack: for the rocker + spiker
[00:17:58] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: no not both
[00:17:59] +SunnyORAS: Sp.def skarm wew lad
[00:18:04] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: cuz torn t is a thing
[00:18:08] %Koiro恋色: the rocker should be either skarm or nidoqueen
[00:18:22] +AllAttack: oh i mean replacing
[00:18:26] +AllAttack: dw
[00:18:35] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait chesnaught>queen?
[00:19:06] %Koiro恋色: ill pastebin the frame
[00:19:07] %Koiro恋色: in a second
[00:19:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: kk
[00:19:10] %Koiro恋色: lemme write it up
[00:19:11] +AllAttack: mlati, ches, spdef skarm, clef, ttar is what we're at rn ??
[00:19:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i guess? idk oo
[00:19:29] +SunnyORAS: I think so
[00:19:29] +AllAttack: ches/nido should i say
[00:19:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ches checks ttar for mlati
[00:19:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: quite good in fact
[00:19:55] +SunnyORAS: Ches coild actually
[00:20:03] +SunnyORAS: Make sure you have someway to break
[00:20:07] %Koiro恋色: what spread did you guys decide for nidoqueen
[00:20:08] +AllAttack: we need pressure
[00:20:11] +SunnyORAS: Opposing clef tho other than skarm
[00:20:11] +AllAttack: stallbreaker
[00:20:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we need to pressure torn...
[00:20:31] %DennisEG⚠: nido should be phys def with a bit of spd
[00:20:39] %DennisEG⚠: and poison jab to deal with clef
[00:20:47] %Koiro恋色: yeah i just wanted the specific spread
[00:21:00] +SunnyORAS: Ah nice
[00:21:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well what would be a good benchmarh
[00:21:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lop?
[00:21:18] +SunnyORAS: Flex on clef with pjab
[00:22:24] +SunnyORAS: Is there a lop bechmark for nidoqueen?
[00:22:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: idk, ive literally never used nidoqueen
[00:22:33] %Koiro恋色: its ok
[00:22:36] %Koiro恋色: i got something
[00:22:42] %DennisEG⚠: mm
[00:22:58] %DennisEG⚠: give 80 spd evs max hp rest in defense
[00:23:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: whats that for?
[00:23:08] %DennisEG⚠: avoids lopunny 2hko and lo hp ice thundy too
[00:23:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh cool
[00:23:25] %DennisEG⚠: relaxed nature
[00:23:25] +starry: hi DennisEG :D
[00:23:32] %DennisEG⚠: starry :DD
[00:23:56] +SunnyORAS: Hi :D
[00:24:14] +SunnyORAS: m00nyORAS
[00:24:16] %Koiro恋色: u just need a lastmon
[00:24:17] %Koiro恋色: for this
[00:24:18] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/jQVvznt0
[00:24:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: something for torn 100%
[00:24:46] %Koiro恋色: also bisharp switchin too
[00:24:46] +AllAttack: double whirlwind skarm?
[00:24:49] %Koiro恋色: also
[00:24:50] %Koiro恋色: u have
[00:24:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh yes
[00:24:52] %Koiro恋色: mega latias
[00:25:11] +AllAttack: we need somehting that can hold its own vs mdiancie tbh
[00:25:19] %Koiro恋色: which is a rly solid tornt answer
[00:25:21] +starry: the team has spdef skarmory
[00:25:27] %Koiro恋色: ..
[00:25:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^
[00:25:33] +SunnyORAS: Wew lad
[00:25:45] +starry: diancie's a pain for like everything lol
[00:25:49] +AllAttack: i mean 1on1
[00:25:51] +AllAttack: yeah it is
[00:26:31] +SunnyORAS: Diancie is rly good in general now
[00:26:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well how bout a ttar check
[00:26:44] +SunnyORAS: Cant hurt to see if we can prep for it a lil extra
[00:26:54] %Koiro恋色: lastmon fast rotom
[00:26:54] %DennisEG⚠: Latias is really pressure on that team
[00:27:06] %DennisEG⚠: another water resist should work
[00:27:15] %Koiro恋色: for breloom, bisharp, ground + zone, tornt
[00:27:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i like rotom on this, another option is tang
[00:28:09] +AllAttack: i prefer rotom
[00:28:11] +starry: if you go tang the torn-t check is x
[00:28:19] +AllAttack: tang makes tornt matchup shit
[00:28:20] +AllAttack: y
[00:28:21] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well as koiro said its m lati
[00:28:25] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: but it does make it more annoying
[00:28:31] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so rotom it is
[00:28:39] +AllAttack: that is worn down incredibly easily by lo
[00:28:46] +AllAttack: so we need at least two checks
[00:28:54] +SunnyORAS: Mix def rotom maybe?
[00:28:54] %Koiro恋色: i think rotom is fine
[00:29:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well we have rotom and m lati
[00:29:05] %Koiro恋色: what would u need mixdef for
[00:29:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: now
[00:29:28] %Koiro恋色: ok
[00:29:32] %Koiro恋色: is everyone happy with this
[00:29:33] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/GTCgwnaZ
[00:29:43] +AllAttack: fix skarm set
[00:30:00] %Koiro恋色: oh.
[00:30:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lol
[00:30:12] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think we need more whirlwind
[00:30:37] %Koiro恋色: whirlwind is **very important**
[00:30:38] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/S3vFn0TR
[00:30:41] %Koiro恋色: ok thats it then
[00:30:48] %Koiro恋色: i think we made it through 4 or 5 teams
[00:30:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: 4
[00:30:54] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: shall i post them all?
[00:30:56] +SunnyORAS: 4
[00:31:08] %Koiro恋色: yeah you can post all the pastebins if you want
[00:31:15] +SunnyORAS: Yeah link in the smogon convo just in case
[00:31:18] %Koiro恋色: thanks everyone for coming, hopefully this was helpful in some way
[00:31:34] +SunnyORAS: This was fun!
[00:31:36] %Koiro恋色: and yeah the logs of this whole conversation will be found
[00:31:45] +SunnyORAS: Ah nice
[00:31:50] %Koiro恋色: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/rmt-on-ps.3546552/#post-6390278
[00:31:51] %Koiro恋色: here
[00:31:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: whenever u need chat back, just ask :3
[00:31:52] %Koiro恋色: very soon
[00:32:12] +SunnyORAS: Ah nice
[00:32:14] %Koiro恋色: so yeah i think thats it, unless any of u guys have anything to say
[00:32:21] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/z5eu0QPh Thundy+Loom
[00:32:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/5s7PYwjb Diancie+Kyub
[00:32:33] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/X8hLXixR Bish+Sciz
[00:32:41] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/S3vFn0TR Lati Stack ft Nidoqueen
[00:32:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: k those are the teams