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[20:00:11] #nadeko¨̮: i contributed
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[20:00:52] #nadeko¨̮: are all the auth here going to be a part of this
[20:01:00] #nadeko¨̮: theres a lot of u :o
[20:01:01] #IronBullet: welcome to this ou workshop! a bunch of us raters will be rating people's teams for a couple of hours and helping as many of you as we can.
[20:01:23] #IronBullet: we'll be temporarily promoting people who are having their team rated
[20:01:30] Klaya was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[20:01:44] +Klaya: Hello ^^
[20:01:51] %Gross Sweep ☃: http://pokepast.es/59fe2927c359b7c8
[20:01:56] @RedzoneX: welcome
[20:02:01] #IronBullet: hello
[20:03:11] #IronBullet: looks like a pretty solid balanced team
[20:03:25] #IronBullet: problem that immediately stands out to me as that all of your pokemon are grounded and you have no hazard control
[20:05:20] #IronBullet: rain also seems particularly threatening since neither bulu nor magearna have the bulk to switch into the likes of kingdra and mega swampert
[20:05:45] #nadeko¨̮: magearna/mawile seem like they kinda overlap on a structure like this
[20:05:50] #IronBullet: agreed
[20:05:58] #nadeko¨̮: and bulu appears like its being overloaded since its basically the only ground/water resist
[20:06:33] %Ahboep®: ^ Flynium Lando seems really scary for this reason
[20:06:46] #IronBullet: latios or zapdos could be a decent option here
[20:06:56] @Qplaz☁️: yeah on that something like an offensive lando gives you a hell of a time to deal with defensively
[20:06:59] @Qplaz☁️: o sniped
[20:07:45] #IronBullet: klaya is there a particular sweeper you have built the team around? could you provide a breif overview of the team's strategy?
[20:08:46] %Quziel: Mantine over mawile helps your hazard control issues, rain issues, and relieves a ton of pressure on bulu as the sole water/ground resist, even if its imperfect vs. fly-z lando
[20:09:16] %Quziel: though passivity could be problematic
[20:09:31] +Klaya: I built this team around Tapu Bulu and M-Mawile as the "mega" of the team
[20:09:42] #IronBullet: hmm okay
[20:09:54] #nadeko¨̮: i think dropping magearna makes more sense in this case bc mawile's immediacy as a breaker is kinda important
[20:09:54] #nadeko¨̮: and yeah the team looks mmaw based
[20:10:03] +Klaya: And i want this team to make benefits of the grassy terrain
[20:10:24] #IronBullet: yeah we could drop magearna for mantine here
[20:10:39] #IronBullet: mantine will definitely help a lot with rain
[20:11:16] #IronBullet: latios is also an option - it's not as good a rain check as mantine obviously but it fits better with the offensive nature of the team
[20:11:22] @RedzoneX: mmedicham seems like a concern
[20:11:42] %xanish: yea if we run lati we could try smthing like a gknot prot gren here
[20:12:34] #IronBullet: interesting, but what would he replace it with?
[20:13:02] #nadeko¨̮: i think mews honestly best bc it will give u defog, it appreciates bulu's terrain defensively
[20:13:02] #nadeko¨̮: and also gives u a good medi answer and a good secondary check to zyg (bulu) and lele (maw is a soft check)
[20:13:20] #IronBullet: also, knock off might be something worth trying on mawile to help weaken walls for bulu
[20:14:02] #IronBullet: mew is a good option too but he would still need something for powerful water moves right?
[20:14:15] #IronBullet: i know his team's offensively based but bulu and gren aren't good enough in that sense
[20:14:28] #nadeko¨̮: i think the framework of bulu, maw, mew, scarfgren makes sense
[20:14:52] #IronBullet: yeah thats a good backbone
[20:15:04] @Qplaz☁️: agreed
[20:15:18] #nadeko¨̮: and then yeah u can fit in ur last mons which are gonna be a rock setter and a sturdier water resist
[20:15:49] #IronBullet: i like zygarde on that team for its priority
[20:15:50] %Quziel: not 100% about it here, but generic goodmon ferrothorn sorta compresses some roles
[20:15:55] #IronBullet: especially against pinsir and the like
[20:15:57] %Quziel: and opens up a few avenues
[20:16:22] #IronBullet: ferro is a good shout and it appreciates terrain too
[20:16:25] #IronBullet: what do you think false?
[20:16:42] %Quziel: granted, rain is geared towards breaking it
[20:16:46] %Quziel: but it at least gives breathing room
[20:16:58] #IronBullet: you could also keep heatran and try scarf keldeo over gren instead
[20:17:04] #nadeko¨̮: doubling up grasses on bulu seems somewhat irritating
[20:17:12] #nadeko¨̮: if its just for rain then pex does a p similar thing
[20:17:18] #IronBullet: keldeo's bulkier and it takes full advantage of the rain
[20:17:28] #IronBullet: also an additional gren check
[20:18:15] #IronBullet: thoughts on scarf keldeo guys?
[20:18:18] %Gross Sweep ☃: the issue with pex is then you're back to only mon capable of setting and removing hazards is mew, unless you went rocks mawile i guess
[20:18:36] @RedzoneX: I think rocks maw seems good here actually
[20:18:45] %xanish: smthing like gastro + rocks could be smwhat interesting here as well as gastro adds utility as a solid mage check and a tran check which also helps w rain, but I kinda like how scarf gren pivots to give maw set up
[20:18:51] @Qplaz☁️: the issue is if we went keld + tran then the protean gren check __is__ keldeo and thats gonna get worn super quick imo
[20:19:01] %Quziel: hmm
[20:19:03] %Quziel: actually how about cune
[20:19:07] %xanish: gastro also checks stuff like vincune if they would be annoying
[20:19:11] %Quziel: it appreciates mmaw's and bulu's wallbreaking
[20:19:24] #IronBullet: i think he needs a scarfer in that last slot
[20:19:29] +vsomani: That person is offline
[20:19:36] @RedzoneX: F
[20:19:39] @Qplaz☁️: L
[20:19:41] #IronBullet: okay fine, let's move on
[20:19:46] #IronBullet: guys don't spam
[20:19:53] #IronBullet: next team gross sweep?
[20:20:21] %Gross Sweep ☃: next team is by MidnightPK http://pokepast.es/754c730e27e1e782
[20:20:24] #IronBullet: nevermind, klaya's back
[20:20:37] +Klaya: Sorry i got some connection problems ^^'
[20:20:41] #IronBullet: no worries
[20:20:59] #IronBullet: i don't know if you caught it but false suggested defog mew over magearna
[20:21:14] @RedzoneX: so bulu / mmaw / mew / scarfgren / gastrodon / rocks setter
[20:21:35] #IronBullet: why gastrodon? i think zygarde fits well on that team
[20:21:42] #IronBullet: that priority is really useful
[20:21:53] +Klaya: Zygarde is here for the fire types as well
[20:22:30] @RedzoneX: gastro checks non-grassz tran, vincune, magearna
[20:22:41] @Qplaz☁️: especially given that its a slow build (only mon over base 100 is the scarfer) prio is kinda nice so you dont get overwhelmed by shit like kart and other moderately fast breakers
[20:22:46] @Qplaz☁️: idk just something to think about
[20:22:48] @RedzoneX: and rain ofc
[20:22:53] %Sun: zygarde is really useful because of char y, and it pressure a lot offensive lando helping your maw, i think its fine here tbh
[20:22:55] #IronBullet: yeah i think zyg fits better on this than gastro redzone
[20:23:02] %Gross Sweep ☃: yeah we remove zygarde and tran all ability of pivoting around zard-y is gone
[20:23:03] @RedzoneX: reasonable
[20:23:25] #IronBullet: okay so we have mew / bulu / zygarde / mawile
[20:23:42] @RedzoneX: so what are we gonna do for a water resist and rocks
[20:23:48] #IronBullet: heatran is pretty important here for lele, as otherwise there's only mew as a soft check
[20:23:59] #IronBullet: so i think it would be reasonable to keep tran as it is
[20:24:04] %Quziel: I still say zygarde/ferro is workable, even if bulu + grass is iffy
[20:24:16] +vsomani: If we combine those two up other than ferrothorn the only mon I see is empoleon
[20:24:34] %xanish: tran also helps w celes which could be annoying here
[20:24:36] #IronBullet: empoleon's only niche is defog and we already have mew for that
[20:24:39] #nadeko¨̮: trans fine
[20:24:48] #IronBullet: yeah i think tran is good here
[20:24:55] +vsomani: o we are going Defog mew
[20:24:58] @Qplaz☁️: yh
[20:24:58] #nadeko¨̮: make the mew thicc though
[20:24:59] #IronBullet: our last slot definitely needs to be a revenge killer and reliable water check
[20:25:04] %xanish: u prolly want a scarfer which helps w rain
[20:25:08] #IronBullet: which is why i suggested keldeo earlier
[20:25:12] @RedzoneX: what was the problem with tran + scarf keld again
[20:25:17] #nadeko¨̮: gren vs keldeo rly is preference
[20:25:29] #nadeko¨̮: gren gives u easier setup w/ bulu and momentum into maw
[20:25:40] #IronBullet: keldeo is a more reliable water switch in and takes full advantage of the rain, but yeah gren has u-turn
[20:25:42] %Sun: scarf keld is cool here, helps against ash gren/prot gren as well
[20:25:48] #nadeko¨̮: keld is sturdier and does similar stuff. compresses defensive roles a little better
[20:25:54] #IronBullet: i think it would be worth trying keld
[20:25:59] #IronBullet: also a much better ash gren check yeah
[20:26:06] @Qplaz☁️: yeah im fine with keld here
[20:26:21] %xanish: keld also helps w a secondary tran check as zyg can get overloaded here
[20:26:29] #IronBullet: okay, are we happy with bulu / mawile / tran / zyg / scarf keldeo / bulky defog mew then?
[20:26:36] @RedzoneX: looks good
[20:26:46] #IronBullet: cool, klaya there you go
[20:26:54] #IronBullet: do you need any help with the sets for keldeo and mew?
[20:27:07] #IronBullet: and is there anything else you'd like to discuss for your team?
[20:27:19] +Klaya: Yup i would like some advices for the sets please ^^
[20:27:34] #IronBullet: okay cool
[20:27:56] +Klaya: The team looks cool i'll try it right away
[20:28:01] #nadeko¨̮: id probably be running magma + taunt on tran w/ epower and rocks btw
[20:28:08] @Qplaz☁️: keldeo is just max speed max spa
[20:28:17] #IronBullet: i'm whipping up a quick import
[20:28:22] @Qplaz☁️: o all g
[20:28:23] #IronBullet: nadeko so the speedy version?
[20:28:31] #nadeko¨̮: 200 hp 56 spa
[20:28:31] #nadeko¨̮: iirc
[20:28:35] #IronBullet: aite
[20:29:20] #nadeko¨̮: gives u a bit of utility vs fatter teams which is nice bc usually if u play w/ bulu well
[20:29:28] @RedzoneX: keldeo is just hydro scald sword sedge here, unless you're concerned about running into mence which you can run icy wind for
[20:29:32] #nadeko¨̮: u can keep either ur maw or ur tran vs stall which makes the mu easier
[20:29:37] @RedzoneX: max speed max spA hasty
[20:29:50] #IronBullet: klaya there you go: http://pokepast.es/d4a946b030dc4888
[20:30:17] +Klaya: Thanks a lot everyone for rating my team ! ^^
[20:30:23] #IronBullet: oh sorry yeah, keld should be hasty there
[20:30:25] #IronBullet: no problem
[20:30:48] %xanish: wouldn't tran be able to run max speed
[20:30:54] %xanish: since ur missing 40 evs
[20:31:09] #IronBullet: my mistake, klaya that should be 252 speed for tran
[20:31:19] #nadeko¨̮: its ok, IronBullet is still learning
[20:31:27] +Klaya: Okay i'll change that
[20:31:27] #IronBullet: yeah i'm a simple minded noob
[20:31:30] #IronBullet: cool
[20:31:31] #nadeko¨̮: :)
[20:31:34] #IronBullet: thanks for participating klaya
[20:31:37] #IronBullet: gross sweep next?
[20:31:38] @RedzoneX: so next we have midnight's team?
[20:31:40] %Gross Sweep ☃: The next team is by MidnightPK http://pokepast.es/754c730e27e1e782
[20:31:43] (Klaya was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
[20:31:47] MidnightPK was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[20:31:58] +MidnightPK: Hi guys :)
[20:32:00] #IronBullet: nadeko can you take the lead on this?
[20:32:16] #IronBullet: gotta do something for a bit
[20:32:21] #nadeko¨̮: alright
[20:32:27] #IronBullet: thanks
[20:32:51] @RedzoneX: Midnight feel free to tell us how you built the team, if there's anything in particular you built around
[20:32:55] +MidnightPK: Okay so
[20:33:50] +MidnightPK: I built this around Lando-T and Magearna as an Offensive VolTurn Core, but later on added a bunch of defensive mons to check some of the threats that the core faces.
[20:34:35] @Qplaz☁️: right so chansey here is just a crazy momentum sink
[20:35:00] @Qplaz☁️: you just basically give free setup and free hazards to a bunch of mons
[20:35:05] +MidnightPK: Yes, also another problem my team is facing is lack of hazard removal
[20:35:12] @Qplaz☁️: which is problematic when you have no hazard removal
[20:35:16] @Qplaz☁️: yeah
[20:35:17] @RedzoneX: also unless I'm missing something we have no hazard removal ourselves
[20:35:42] %xanish: team also struggles w breaking stall and other teams since atm stall can just wear u down w hazards while u can't rlly break it too well
[20:35:46] #nadeko¨̮: honestly none of the last 4 mons really do anything specific to help the defensive voltturn kinda backbone
[20:36:07] %xanish: yea it feels much more balanceish
[20:36:30] #nadeko¨̮: i think if u want to keep at least half of the team together u could keep probably specs gengar
[20:36:31] #nadeko¨̮: but itd be best in that case to make magearna sg
[20:36:37] @RedzoneX: im fine with keeping it balanced but if you'd like it to be more offensive
[20:36:56] +MidnightPK: Well, pretty much a lot of the teams I make end up being balance regardless of how I start it. I'm fine regardless of archetype/playstyle
[20:37:21] +MidnightPK: But yeah, I was thinking what to remove in place of a defogger/spinner, during the time I was building this but I couldn't decide.
[20:38:08] #nadeko¨̮: so venusaur is usually best utilized (if you're pairing it w/ a defensive backbone) along w/ those celesteela/clef/toxapex etc cores
[20:38:21] #nadeko¨̮: so in this case there's probably a better mega u could fit on a team like this for starters
[20:39:29] @RedzoneX: the most straightforward way to add hazard removal here would be mantine > chansey, still checks volc zardy ashgren etc. and helps a lil with rain
[20:39:47] @RedzoneX: leaves an issue with mmedi though
[20:40:08] %xanish: ^^ yea that's what I was going so suggest if we would keep in balanceish
[20:40:39] #nadeko¨̮: ok so im gonna say run sg gear, keep specsgar
[20:40:46] #nadeko¨̮: thats the only way youll keep half the team together
[20:41:09] +MidnightPK: How does Mantine check Ashgren? Sorry if I'm missing something
[20:41:13] #nadeko¨̮: so u have defensive lando w/ magearna that can take advantage of the dark types that might try to trap/abuse gengar
[20:41:15] %Quziel: it has giant spdef
[20:41:19] %Quziel: and takes 0 from hydro pump
[20:42:35] #nadeko¨̮: if u take the offensive route from there u could forgo hazard removal for spikes
[20:42:41] +MidnightPK: Point taken. I guess gren doesn't really have a GSI to begin with, and grens don't really run electric moves.
[20:43:41] #nadeko¨̮: so what do u want MidnightPK
[20:43:50] #nadeko¨̮: u gotta make a pick either way
[20:44:13] +MidnightPK: Hmm
[20:44:38] +MidnightPK: Let's to with the balanced route.
[20:44:41] +MidnightPK: go*
[20:44:53] +MidnightPK: //defensive
[20:45:12] +MidnightPK: Since I really like specsgar in this team.
[20:45:49] #nadeko¨̮: ok in that case zapdos fits well alongside ur core
[20:46:39] #nadeko¨̮: i guess im doing this by myself with 9 other staff online
[20:47:41] #nadeko¨̮: so then u still want some sort of scarfer
[20:47:49] @RedzoneX: so are we keeping lando-t/sg mage/specsgar/zapdos
[20:48:01] #nadeko¨̮: yes thats what u have
[20:48:05] @Qplaz☁️: ok cool
[20:48:09] #nadeko¨̮: sciz seems like a smart mega choice
[20:48:17] %Quziel: generic scarf ninja sorta helps here, per usual
[20:48:17] %Gross Sweep ☃: is it 3 attacks zapdos then
[20:48:20] #nadeko¨̮: it covers ur gear from having to watch everythingf
[20:48:23] %Gross Sweep ☃: with defog sciz
[20:48:33] %Quziel: eh, nvm if we're going sciz
[20:48:35] @RedzoneX: if we go sciz
[20:48:38] @RedzoneX: how are we gonna beat stall
[20:48:40] #nadeko¨̮: frees zap up to run 3 atks to give u some sort of presence vs balance
[20:48:41] %Quziel: cause it makes your fire answer
[20:48:41] %Quziel: x
[20:48:58] #nadeko¨̮: ur fire answer is landorus and then ur scarfer
[20:49:00] #nadeko¨̮: in the last slot
[20:49:34] @RedzoneX: can we go offensive zmove lando to pressure stall here with zapdos as the zygarde answer
[20:49:41] @RedzoneX: or even run the lord set hp ice scizor
[20:49:54] @Qplaz☁️: yh was about to say the stall matchup isn't great
[20:50:17] #nadeko¨̮: why not just run smackdown on ur lando
[20:50:20] #nadeko¨̮: u can still run the same set
[20:50:23] #nadeko¨̮: or grav
[20:50:26] #nadeko¨̮: u can just run hp atk
[20:50:40] #nadeko¨̮: like that set brofist and posho have run
[20:50:52] @RedzoneX: eq/grav/sr/uturn?
[20:50:54] #nadeko¨̮: that way u dont have to go changing mons that still fit the core
[20:50:56] @Qplaz☁️: ye that works
[20:50:58] #nadeko¨̮: no turn
[20:51:06] %xanish: Isn't it hpice
[20:51:09] @RedzoneX: probably
[20:51:10] %Quziel: lati
[20:51:12] %Quziel: uh
[20:51:13] %Quziel: sorry
[20:51:14] #nadeko¨̮: y its hpice
[20:51:18] %Quziel: meant to type that elsewhere
[20:51:26] #nadeko¨̮: u have eq rocks hpice smackdown/grav
[20:51:38] #nadeko¨̮: w/ attack and hp and then some speed
[20:51:57] @RedzoneX: what are you trying to outrun with it
[20:51:58] %Quziel: honestly though, even if it makes the team stupid ttar weak, lati compresses a bunch of roles for the team
[20:52:11] #nadeko¨̮: u can run z on magearna if u want to dry and pressure unaware clef in the stall mu that way
[20:52:11] #nadeko¨̮: altho tbh remember u have specsgar which is gonna rly pressure the standard stall build rn + u have trick
[20:52:21] @Qplaz☁️: o thats true
[20:52:26] @Qplaz☁️: completely overlooked that mb
[20:52:44] #nadeko¨̮: its not tar weak since it comes in on nothing, and ur gonna check it all the same w/ ur scarfer, sciz, and ur lando
[20:53:12] #nadeko¨̮: speed (on landorus) is mostly for timid magearna or even just other hpice landos so ur not wasting hp
[20:54:15] @RedzoneX: lando/mage/specsgar/msciz/zapdos still the build?
[20:54:18] @RedzoneX: and then a scarfer?
[20:54:21] #nadeko¨̮: thats what i have
[20:54:22] @Qplaz☁️: yh
[20:54:25] #nadeko¨̮: and then yeah add a scarf
[20:54:48] %xanish: scarf keld helps w the rain mu
[20:54:48] @RedzoneX: the team doesnt really have a water resist
[20:54:52] @RedzoneX: so again keld is appealing
[20:54:54] %xanish: which could be concerning
[20:54:54] %Ahboep®: Probably ScarfKeld to check AshGren
[20:55:16] %Quziel: tbh, lati really makes life easy
[20:55:31] @Qplaz☁️: if we go lati then ashninja is a pain
[20:55:32] @Qplaz☁️: tho
[20:55:47] #nadeko¨̮: ur scarfer should be a water check
[20:55:51] %Ahboep®: With Lati AshGren runs through the team cz the only dark resist is Magearna
[20:56:08] %xanish: yea lati also makes buzz rona threatening
[20:56:21] #nadeko¨̮: kelds fine
[20:56:24] #nadeko¨̮: can someone make a pb
[20:56:32] #nadeko¨̮: i have about 8million pms and im v tired :(
[20:56:55] #nadeko¨̮: zap should be 3atk max spe max spa
[20:57:00] @Qplaz☁️: alright
[20:57:24] #nadeko¨̮: land is hp + 236 atk (ada) + some speed for magearna most likely
[20:57:55] #nadeko¨̮: zap can also be max spe max hp if u prefer that variant btw since its a bit bulkier
[20:58:06] #nadeko¨̮: and achieves many of the same things
[20:58:12] @Qplaz☁️: did we want lefties or rh on lando
[20:58:20] #nadeko¨̮: helmet imo
[20:58:30] #nadeko¨̮: sciz checks band zyg anyway
[20:59:21] @Qplaz☁️: what mage were we?
[20:59:52] #nadeko¨̮: z fleur w/ focus blast and tbolt
[20:59:52] #nadeko¨̮: or electrium w/ cm
[21:01:03] @Qplaz☁️: http://pokepast.es/7cf9a6ae5868cd4f
[21:01:15] @Qplaz☁️: wait hang on i'll add the alt gearna set mb
[21:01:28] @RedzoneX: any questions/concerns about the team MidnightPK?
[21:02:12] +MidnightPK: Hmm
[21:02:13] @Qplaz☁️: http://pokepast.es/792d862675b26f35
[21:02:35] #nadeko¨̮: thanks Qplaz
[21:02:42] @Qplaz☁️: all g
[21:03:09] @RedzoneX: if u have any ask now MidnightPK
[21:03:14] +MidnightPK: Could I afford to have Volt Switch?
[21:03:18] @RedzoneX: because we wanna get as many teams as we can
[21:03:24] +MidnightPK: on mage/zap
[21:03:25] @Qplaz☁️: not on shift gearna
[21:03:50] #nadeko¨̮: no i wouldnt say so
[21:03:51] @Qplaz☁️: bc you want to be able to stay in with your boosts f you need to hit like a pex or w.e
[21:04:14] #nadeko¨̮: u need discharge on zap to fish on clef/ttar/tran
[21:04:18] #nadeko¨̮: is that it?
[21:04:21] %xanish: volt loses set up on mage and on zap u rlly don't want to run volt on zap bc u lose stuff like discharges utility and being forced to switch while clicking stab isn't great
[21:04:52] #nadeko¨̮: alright next
[21:05:00] %Gross Sweep ☃: the next team is by Allahu Akbar VEVO https://pastebin.com/3Pfb0ELP
[21:05:00] (MidnightPK was demoted to Room regular user by RedzoneX.)
[21:05:04] Allahu Akbar VEVO was promoted to Room Voice by RedzoneX.
[21:05:12] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: Hi
[21:05:15] @RedzoneX: welcome
[21:05:55] @Qplaz☁️: alright so do you want to take us through the teambuilding process here?
[21:06:33] #nadeko¨̮: offensive to thicc in 0.1 seconds
[21:07:22] @Qplaz☁️: Allahu Akbar VEVO?
[21:07:31] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: OK so I started with medi koko as it's a good offensive core and koko can bring medi in with volt turn lando was added for rocks and to have a turn turn core.
[21:08:11] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: mew was added to help vs opposing medi and removal
[21:10:07] #nadeko¨̮: oh is that you finished?
[21:10:08] @Qplaz☁️: so something like specs lele puts a lot of pressure on you here
[21:10:08] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: Pex is mainly for t spikes to wear down the opposing team and check zard y and keldeo is my form of speed control and revenge kills psychium volc
[21:10:28] #nadeko¨̮: ok can we add ashgren over pex
[21:10:35] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: Sure
[21:10:49] #nadeko¨̮: madness koko weakens chans and other spec walls, gren beats up on darks, sets spikes to weaken stuff for medi
[21:11:47] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: I like the ash gren idea
[21:11:47] #nadeko¨̮: i can't see another mon on this team being zmove so waterium z might be a good idea there since u can afford it for the most part
[21:12:12] %xanish: The
[21:12:15] @Qplaz☁️: i'll leave the last blank, we can come back to it at the end
[21:12:16] @RedzoneX: could try z natures madness koko
[21:12:52] %Gross Sweep ☃: stuff like M-zam + lele can be kinda annoying for the team due to a lack of a steel type rn
[21:12:54] #nadeko¨̮: i dont like zmadness outside of rain, esp on a team like this bc koko's longevity is what helps u win the stall mu
[21:13:06] #nadeko¨̮: yep ur gonna have to slot gear over mew imo
[21:13:08] #nadeko¨̮: or at least
[21:13:11] #nadeko¨̮: some psychic check
[21:13:20] @Qplaz☁️: yeah psychics run you through the ground
[21:13:20] %xanish: the team also doesn't have a steel so it's reliant on mew for lele which struggles vs specs sets and also certain mage sets
[21:13:52] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: Would celesteela fit
[21:13:56] @Qplaz☁️: smthin like vest gearna > mew maybe mught be the fastest fix
[21:13:57] @Qplaz☁️: or ferro
[21:14:02] @Qplaz☁️: steela lives you weak to koko
[21:14:02] +vsomani: Ash gren > pex makes team very Zard y weak tho
[21:14:05] @Qplaz☁️: *leaves
[21:14:20] #nadeko¨̮: celes makes u weaker to ashgren and tapu koko
[21:14:29] %Sun: what about some weird set like scarf kartana
[21:14:32] %Ahboep®: And Av Mag>Mew leaves you open to opposing Mega Medi
[21:14:48] #nadeko¨̮: i think u guys are all overrating breakers vs this team
[21:14:51] #nadeko¨̮: theres a lando for one
[21:15:01] @RedzoneX: lele doesnt actually come in on __that__ much
[21:15:06] #nadeko¨̮: and then basically every mon on the team is gonna outspeed and rkill that stuff
[21:15:15] @Qplaz☁️: thats true
[21:15:44] #nadeko¨̮: i dont think medi is a huge issue, it doesnt click hjk very freely and its offensively checked by 3 mons + the potential scarfer
[21:16:01] @Qplaz☁️: im most worried about koko rn actually
[21:16:39] #nadeko¨̮: i think ur gonna rely on gear + prio from medi/gren vs koko
[21:16:47] @Qplaz☁️: cos it outspeeds everything and 2hkos mew and lando after rocks
[21:16:50] @Qplaz☁️: yea
[21:16:51] #nadeko¨̮: also ur own koko is gonna weaken it too and ur gonna check ur scarf
[21:16:54] #nadeko¨̮: mews not on the team
[21:17:01] @Qplaz☁️: o so we did go gearna > mew
[21:17:09] @Qplaz☁️: i thought we were still discussing it mb
[21:17:30] %xanish: we could also run some more spa on koko to break sab
[21:17:37] %xanish: don't have the spread handy though
[21:17:41] #nadeko¨̮: hpfire on av gear
[21:17:42] #nadeko¨̮: waterium on ashgren
[21:17:46] @Qplaz☁️: yea got that
[21:17:52] #nadeko¨̮: and then last slot scarf hwish latias?
[21:17:53] @Qplaz☁️: did we want spikes or beam on gren
[21:17:56] #nadeko¨̮: spikes
[21:17:59] #nadeko¨̮: u need the pressure
[21:18:17] %xanish: yea scarf latias seems nice w this team
[21:18:18] %Gross Sweep ☃: yeah without removal of our own we need the ability to try and force their defog
[21:18:30] %Gross Sweep ☃: if needed
[21:18:34] @Qplaz☁️: aight
[21:18:56] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: Doesn't scarf lati run defog
[21:19:01] #nadeko¨̮: ye
[21:19:18] #nadeko¨̮: but its more like a panic check
[21:19:32] #nadeko¨̮: like if ur opp set tspikes and u havent been able to weaken smth yet
[21:19:46] #nadeko¨̮: ok can someone pb that please
[21:19:51] @Qplaz☁️: got it
[21:19:59] @Qplaz☁️: http://pokepast.es/94c48734e480be47
[21:20:05] @Qplaz☁️: wait
[21:20:08] @Qplaz☁️: ninja is torrent hang on
[21:20:15] #nadeko¨̮: wew
[21:20:26] @Qplaz☁️: http://pokepast.es/d21266130a131ca9
[21:20:51] @Qplaz☁️: that should be it
[21:20:55] @Qplaz☁️: any questions or concerns?
[21:21:17] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: None the team looks solid
[21:21:20] +Allahu Akbar VEVO: Ty
[21:21:39] @Qplaz☁️: awesome, gl with the team
[21:21:42] #nadeko¨̮: all good
[21:21:49] #nadeko¨̮: alright cool next?
[21:21:54] %Gross Sweep ☃: The next team is by Corinite http://pokepast.es/70cb5ebf9b3b9c20
[21:22:05] (Allahu Akbar VEVO was demoted to Room regular user by nadeko¨̮.)
[21:22:15] Corinite was promoted to Room Voice by nadeko¨̮.
[21:22:21] +Corinite: Oh, hey.
[21:22:43] #nadeko¨̮: hi, can u give a quick breakdown of the team and what the focus was when u built it?
[21:23:40] +Corinite: Um, idk. I'm not good at explaining stuff. I wanted it to be balanced... and I feel like the main focus is to remove any obstacle in Charizard's way.
[21:24:11] @Qplaz☁️: do we want to make this zardy duggy
[21:24:14] #nadeko¨̮: zardy mew ferro is actually a rly solid pairing rn
[21:24:25] +Corinite: Duggy?
[21:24:28] #nadeko¨̮: and yeah the pairing for that is p ez
[21:24:30] #nadeko¨̮: u run z dug
[21:24:31] %xanish: dugtrio
[21:24:32] @Qplaz☁️: dugtrio
[21:24:34] +Corinite: Oh.
[21:24:36] @Qplaz☁️: it traps like
[21:24:38] #nadeko¨̮: fix ur zardy evs
[21:24:50] @Qplaz☁️: heatran shed shell less pex ttar etc.
[21:24:56] @RedzoneX: (run max spA/max speed/4 spD )
[21:25:08] %Ahboep®: Timid
[21:25:08] #nadeko¨̮: ferro runs rocks over spikes (since ur gonna be defogging for zardy anyway, no point in laying up spikes like that)
[21:25:19] @RedzoneX: yea duggy traps a lot of the threats that normally annoy zardy
[21:25:46] @RedzoneX: you can even run hp ice on zard since you dont need focus blast if heatran and ttar and such are dead, and hp ice hits zygarde/chomp
[21:26:07] @Qplaz☁️: already got hp ice zard
[21:26:24] +Corinite: lol
[21:26:41] @RedzoneX: im blind
[21:26:50] #nadeko¨̮: ttar checks volc and is a rly easy fit for this archetype
[21:27:33] #nadeko¨̮: the version w/ mantine > mew runs lele as a scarfer usually
[21:27:37] #nadeko¨̮: so in this case w/ mew
[21:27:44] #nadeko¨̮: ur scarfer needs to also be able to deal w/ volc
[21:27:54] #nadeko¨̮: and u dont want it being weakened by sun
[21:28:18] %Gross Sweep ☃: there's also the jam version with zard-y, mew, ferro, ttar, duggy, cele that's similar to this
[21:28:25] #IronBullet: scarf gren is an option i guess false?
[21:28:39] #IronBullet: would koko be the one replaced by the scarfer here?
[21:28:54] #nadeko¨̮: yes
[21:29:03] #nadeko¨̮: also mew should be a fat spread, not a faster one
[21:29:05] @Qplaz☁️: hang on ill be back in like 3 mins can someone keep up the pbin
[21:29:06] #nadeko¨̮: on this team imo
[21:29:14] #IronBullet: so we're keeping the zard / mew / ferro core
[21:29:20] #IronBullet: and z duggy over z lando?
[21:29:26] @RedzoneX: i got it
[21:29:31] +Corinite: Like the defog Mew for klaya?
[21:29:36] #IronBullet: yeah
[21:29:41] %xanish: yea the blunder version could also be interesting here
[21:29:51] %xanish: w vest tar
[21:29:54] #nadeko¨̮: i think more pdef is useful on this team though bc its better for checking sd lando and garchomp
[21:30:12] #nadeko¨̮: since u can pivot ferro into band zyg if ur mew is weak and cant recover immediately
[21:30:42] #IronBullet: yeah makes sense
[21:31:02] #IronBullet: so bulkier spread for mew, z duggy over lando and scarf gren over koko?
[21:31:10] #nadeko¨̮: and then yeah last mon take a pick anything that revenges volc that doesnt rly on a main water stab
[21:31:12] #nadeko¨̮: grens fine yep
[21:31:13] #IronBullet: or another scarfer, gren was just my suggestion
[21:31:28] #nadeko¨̮: grens good bc it turns on gear/tang into zardy
[21:31:30] #nadeko¨̮: works fine
[21:31:38] #IronBullet: sounds good
[21:31:45] @RedzoneX: so we got zardy/mew/ferro/dugtrio/scarf gren/ ?
[21:31:46] +Corinite: Yeah, Gren sounds nice.
[21:31:50] #IronBullet: yes
[21:31:52] %xanish: tar redzone
[21:31:53] #IronBullet: and pex last
[21:31:56] #IronBullet: oh tar, okay
[21:31:59] #nadeko¨̮: tar ye
[21:32:01] #IronBullet: missed that
[21:32:04] #IronBullet: what sort of tar?
[21:32:13] %xanish: band tar if we're going scarf gren
[21:32:31] @RedzoneX: whats grens 4th move here
[21:32:32] #IronBullet: alright
[21:33:02] #nadeko¨̮: gunk i think
[21:33:43] %Ahboep®: Low Kick is also an option to better
[21:33:56] %Ahboep®: Check MegaTar*
[21:34:33] %xanish: low kick kinda helps w sub tran here which could be cool ig
[21:34:37] @RedzoneX: and what's our mew spread
[21:35:05] #nadeko¨̮: EVs: 240 HP / 196 Def / 72 Spe
[21:35:06] #nadeko¨̮: Bold Nature
[21:36:23] @RedzoneX: alright think i got it http://pokepast.es/66b54474b6df87ee
[21:36:32] @RedzoneX: any further questions/concerns Corinite?
[21:36:41] +Corinite: One sec.
[21:36:42] @Qplaz☁️: back
[21:36:55] %xanish: timid on zard y
[21:36:55] #nadeko¨̮: timid zard for lando/kyurem/lele/whomstdve
[21:36:59] #nadeko¨̮: is probably a smart idea
[21:37:15] +Corinite: What would be a good lead in for this set? I used to just lead with Lando.
[21:37:21] @Qplaz☁️: lead based on matchup
[21:37:25] %xanish: depends on mu rlly
[21:37:31] +Corinite: Hm...
[21:37:37] @Qplaz☁️: see what pressures them, see what they're gonna lead with, see what can get momentum, etc.
[21:37:42] +Corinite: Oh, alright. I'm still kinda new. Sorry. lol
[21:37:53] @Qplaz☁️: all good
[21:37:56] +Corinite: Thanks!
[21:38:02] @RedzoneX: of course
[21:38:09] @RedzoneX: i gotta go but it's been fun, cya guys
[21:38:18] %xanish: u generally want to not let him get rocks easily though, so like pressuring it w a zard y team is always nice
[21:38:25] @Qplaz☁️: cya redzone
[21:38:41] @Qplaz☁️: yea ima stick around for one more team then i've got a uni open day to go
[21:38:46] @Qplaz☁️: to
[21:38:58] #nadeko¨̮: ok so do we have one more?
[21:39:01] #IronBullet: cya redzone
[21:39:05] %Gross Sweep ☃: the next team is by doubleswitches https://pastebin.com/GNtbhWCX
[21:39:06] #IronBullet: corinite all good with the team?
[21:39:11] +Corinite: Yes, thank you.
[21:39:14] #IronBullet: great
[21:39:19] #IronBullet: thanks for participating
[21:39:20] (Corinite was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
[21:39:21] doubleswitches was promoted to Room Voice by Qplaz☁️.
[21:39:33] #IronBullet: false i gotta head off too, need to get some sleep
[21:39:46] #nadeko¨̮: me too man :(
[21:39:50] #nadeko¨̮: its ok i will
[21:39:55] #nadeko¨̮: finish the last 1 oo
[21:40:02] @Qplaz☁️: i feel like this is the last team before we all gotta head off lol
[21:40:04] #IronBullet: alright thanks a lot
[21:40:04] %Gross Sweep ☃: if this is the last one I'll be able to help more instead of jumbling through teams
[21:40:17] #nadeko¨̮: yep this is the last 1
[21:40:25] #nadeko¨̮: doubleswitches give a rundown of ur team
[21:40:27] #IronBullet: and yeah thanks for sorting through all the teams gs
[21:40:31] #IronBullet: cya peeps
[21:40:34] #nadeko¨̮: and whats the idea behind it
[21:40:35] +doubleswitches: aight so its hazard stack
[21:40:56] +doubleswitches: you pressure defoggers with stuff like koko
[21:41:11] +doubleswitches: you typically threaten seting up with stuff like daunt
[21:42:06] #nadeko¨̮: i have 2 kinda first thoughts
[21:42:07] #nadeko¨̮: ur almost immediately swept by scarf lele/lati which is somewhat unlit
[21:42:19] #nadeko¨̮: secondly, do u think the cpg lead skarm could work here to help ur stall my
[21:42:28] #nadeko¨̮: adamant max atk flyinium brave bird
[21:42:49] +doubleswitches: yea thatd be cool
[21:43:07] #nadeko¨̮: u have to bb the sab first before zmoving it
[21:43:22] #nadeko¨̮: but its a cool tech and i think it helps skarm leadstack a lot
[21:43:25] +doubleswitches: i had shift gear cm ma over lop before for lele/lati
[21:43:33] +doubleswitches: *mage
[21:43:48] +3d ◉︵◉: wait
[21:43:50] +3d ◉︵◉: can i still join IronBullet
[21:43:52] +3d ◉︵◉: i just got back home
[21:44:00] #nadeko¨̮: wym 3d
[21:44:04] +3d ◉︵◉: isnt this
[21:44:05] +3d ◉︵◉: rating thing
[21:44:07] #nadeko¨̮: just rate the team if u want to
[21:44:09] +3d ◉︵◉: or did doubleswitches get voice
[21:44:10] @Qplaz☁️: we're on the last team but if you want to help
[21:44:15] @Qplaz☁️: modchat is on
[21:44:18] %xanish: think ib left, but any voice+ is free to rate
[21:44:24] +3d ◉︵◉: o
[21:44:34] @Qplaz☁️: anyway so we've done flyinium skarm
[21:44:47] +3d ◉︵◉: yo
[21:44:50] +3d ◉︵◉: whoever teams this is
[21:44:53] +3d ◉︵◉: run stallbreaker koko
[21:44:58] #nadeko¨̮: i think either sg gear or scarfdrill (offensive celes?)
[21:44:58] +3d ◉︵◉: because stall like actually owns this team
[21:45:02] #nadeko¨̮: some sort of steel u gotta have on here
[21:45:06] +3d ◉︵◉: and that^
[21:45:12] %xanish: we're running fly z skarm for stall
[21:45:23] +3d ◉︵◉: unsets
[21:45:24] +3d ◉︵◉: also
[21:45:29] #nadeko¨̮: u should know the tech 3rd dimension
[21:45:51] +doubleswitches: https://pastebin.com/0UGufGcv
[21:45:55] +doubleswitches: something like this?
[21:46:09] +3d ◉︵◉: ,
[21:46:11] +3d ◉︵◉: whats this lop set
[21:46:14] +3d ◉︵◉: run fake out over ice punch
[21:46:27] +3d ◉︵◉: lando beats lando anyway
[21:46:34] +3d ◉︵◉: and offensive lando gets 2hkod by return
[21:46:40] +3d ◉︵◉: crawdaunt too
[21:46:44] +doubleswitches: yea
[21:46:52] %xanish: u could also consider smthing like an encore lop here to pressure foggers or even smthing like sub pup to pressure mew and shit
[21:47:10] +3d ◉︵◉: or just use
[21:47:11] +3d ◉︵◉: a pursuit trapper
[21:47:20] +3d ◉︵◉: like everyone else
[21:47:26] +3d ◉︵◉: YO
[21:47:28] #nadeko¨̮: or just mimikyu
[21:47:28] #nadeko¨̮: tbh
[21:47:31] #nadeko¨̮: this is a ho
[21:47:31] +3d ◉︵◉: !learn greninja, pursuit
[21:47:31] |html|<div class="infobox">In Gen 7, Greninja <span class="message-learn-cannotlearn">can't</span> learn Pursuit</div>
[21:47:36] +3d ◉︵◉: oh yea mimikyu u need that
[21:47:40] +3d ◉︵◉: that means
[21:47:42] +3d ◉︵◉: u dont need speed control
[21:47:49] +3d ◉︵◉: red card kyu > hoopa
[21:47:52] +3d ◉︵◉: life orb sucks
[21:47:55] #nadeko¨̮: but ur gonna have to find a way to pressure clef on here
[21:48:07] +3d ◉︵◉: iappa koko
[21:48:14] +3d ◉︵◉: clef:owned
[21:48:25] #nadeko¨̮: sub hoopa also does it
[21:48:29] %xanish: who uses clef as their koko check anyway
[21:48:34] #nadeko¨̮: 3d apparently
[21:48:40] %Gross Sweep ☃: so what is the team as of right now: skarm / craw / hoopa / lando / koko / then mage or lop
[21:48:51] %xanish: thought we were going mimikyu
[21:48:52] #nadeko¨̮: mage is 100% there
[21:48:57] %Gross Sweep ☃: or am i off, hard to keep track
[21:48:58] #nadeko¨̮: and so is mimik imo
[21:49:09] #nadeko¨̮: and then he wants craw
[21:49:11] #nadeko¨̮: so thats there
[21:49:29] +3d ◉︵◉: mage over
[21:49:29] +3d ◉︵◉: what
[21:49:32] +3d ◉︵◉: hoopa?
[21:49:38] #nadeko¨̮: i reckon just keep the typespam thing honestly
[21:49:44] #nadeko¨̮: hm does that work
[21:49:49] #nadeko¨̮: gear over koko and then
[21:49:54] #nadeko¨̮: craw + sub hoopa
[21:50:02] #nadeko¨̮: mimik, gear, skarm, lando
[21:50:17] #nadeko¨̮: eplate lando
[21:50:25] +3d ◉︵◉: sub eplate
[21:50:28] +3d ◉︵◉: i just go ton
[21:50:36] @Qplaz☁️: doubles are you keeping up with this or do you need me to try to grab a pbin
[21:50:42] +doubleswitches: nah i got it
[21:50:49] @Qplaz☁️: awesome
[21:50:52] +3d ◉︵◉: oml.
[21:50:54] +3d ◉︵◉: is that panpawn.
[21:50:56] #nadeko¨̮: are u good w/ that doubleswitches
[21:51:05] #nadeko¨̮: someone pls let me know if theres a gap
[21:51:08] #nadeko¨̮: in this team
[21:51:08] +doubleswitches: yea
[21:51:17] +3d ◉︵◉: shoutouts me
[21:51:17] %panpawn: >+3d
[21:51:20] %panpawn: nice meme
[21:51:22] %xanish: also can we run like shuca mage > lefties bc being rked by like scarfchomp is meh
[21:51:25] +3d ◉︵◉: ive been voice for 2 months.
[21:51:30] +3d ◉︵◉: yeah
[21:51:32] +3d ◉︵◉: shuca mage is a ct
[21:51:35] +3d ◉︵◉: to zardy duggy
[21:51:39] %xanish: actually ig w max speed ur not rked
[21:51:41] +3d ◉︵◉: like as soon as u kill ttar
[21:51:44] +3d ◉︵◉: or weaken it
[21:51:48] +3d ◉︵◉: u live duggy z eq
[21:51:52] +3d ◉︵◉: and then theyre like wtf ct
[21:51:54] %xanish: but shuca just eases set up and helps w stuff like dug
[21:51:54] +3d ◉︵◉: and u just win
[21:52:04] #nadeko¨̮: ok there u go
[21:52:12] #nadeko¨̮: and ur choice on whether u want shuca or not
[21:52:20] #nadeko¨̮: do u want any other edits or do u have any questions
[21:52:29] +doubleswitches: uh nah thats cool
[21:52:34] #nadeko¨̮: cheers man
[21:52:41] (doubleswitches was demoted to Room regular user by nadeko¨̮.)
[21:52:55] #nadeko¨̮: ok thanks everyone for coming and participating
[21:53:14] #nadeko¨̮: my name is notfalse aka koiro aka nadeko aka false
[21:53:16] #nadeko¨̮: dip
[21:53:25] @Qplaz☁️: thanks all