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  1. [16:00:42] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue"><b>The first weekly workshop is starting! PM me a Pokemon ranked B- or lower on the Viability Rankings you&apos;d like to build around! Unranked Pokemon may be accepted too, but that&apos;s up to my discretion!</b></div>
  2. [16:00:47] #Xayahh: !rfaq vr
  3. [16:00:47] |html|<div class="infobox">Viability Rankings: <a href="https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/zu.3629669/#post-7705485" rel="noopener" target="_blank">https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/zu.3629669/#post-7705485</a></div>
  4. [16:01:01] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Which of Butterfree&apos;s abilities is better?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Compound Eyes</strong> <small>(20 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:129px"></span><small>&nbsp;43%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Tinted Lens</strong> <small>(27 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:171px"></span><small>&nbsp;57%</small></div></div>
  5. [16:01:01] (The poll was ended by Xayahh.)
  6. [16:01:05] SergioRules: who is me
  7. [16:01:09] #Xayahh: me
  8. [16:01:09] +LightPinkYoshi: Do we just PM Xayahh?
  9. [16:01:11] #Xayahh: right mb
  10. [16:01:13] +LightPinkYoshi: ninjad
  11. [16:01:13] %yogibears: imagine saying compound eyes
  12. [16:01:14] %yogibears: lul
  13. [16:01:17] #Xayahh: I forgot it doesn't show lol
  14. [16:01:22] +spooktune: compoundeyes is legitamate
  15. [16:01:32] @pinktidal: tinted lens is the only way
  16. [16:01:44] +spooktune: :knife:
  17. [16:01:51] %yogibears: legitimate...ly worse than tinted lens
  18. [16:01:56] %yogibears: why, yes it is
  19. [16:02:14] +spooktune: help im being bullied
  20. [16:02:57] @pinktidal: +1 252 SpA Tinted Lens Butterfree Savage Spin-Out (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mawile: 266-314 (87.5 - 103.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
  21. [16:03:19] +LightPinkYoshi: it always bothers me that it says after Leftovers recovery
  22. [16:03:21] #Xayahh: giving you guys 2 more minutes to nominate
  23. [16:03:26] #Xayahh: then the poll opens
  24. [16:03:34] @pinktidal: yh
  25. [16:03:51] +LightPinkYoshi: like i dont necessarily care about lefties if im trying to OHKO
  26. [16:05:03] Xayahh used /poll create Nominations have closed! Which Pokemon should we build around?, Ampharos, Mareanie, Murkrow, Ninjask, Raticate, Simisage
  27. [16:05:03] (A poll was started by Xayahh.)
  28. [16:05:08] @pinktidal: lol, calc is just trying too hard
  29. [16:05:19] +spooktune: noo
  30. [16:05:21] @pinktidal: come on murkrow
  31. [16:05:23] #Xayahh: /announce 5 minutes to vote on the Pokemon you want to build around!
  32. [16:05:25] @pinktidal: no bad mons plz
  33. [16:05:37] Jmash324: It was B- and under smh
  34. [16:05:37] #Xayahh: all of these are workable
  35. [16:05:46] #Xayahh: and yea the point is to use niche mons
  36. [16:05:48] @pinktidal: is raticate rly?
  37. [16:05:51] #Xayahh: yea?
  38. [16:05:53] @pinktidal: like its so weak
  39. [16:05:56] #Xayahh: it's a solid Guts abuser
  40. [16:06:03] Jmash324: __casually whistles__
  41. [16:06:03] +LightPinkYoshi: Vote the Fast bug and ill love you <3
  42. [16:06:14] +spooktune: come onn ampharosss
  43. [16:06:14] %DurzaOffTopic: yo all those mons are heat
  44. [16:06:16] SergioRules: n simisage
  45. [16:06:18] @pinktidal: ninjask is way easier to build around so i doubt he'll win
  46. [16:06:19] %DurzaOffTopic: gotta go with the murk
  47. [16:06:24] @pinktidal: bird up
  48. [16:06:30] hobiew: Gotta show love for the Rat
  49. [16:06:34] %DurzaOffTopic: i legit havent seen any good murkrow builds
  50. [16:06:35] %DurzaOffTopic: ever
  51. [16:06:42] %DurzaOffTopic: i love murkrow in adv nu its such a cool mon
  52. [16:06:42] @pinktidal: i gotchu bro
  53. [16:06:46] +LightPinkYoshi: every time i try to build around ninjask i end up just giving up and using a different fast u turn like purugly
  54. [16:06:55] %DurzaOffTopic: facts tho
  55. [16:06:57] #Xayahh: out of these I've only ever used Mareanie seriously
  56. [16:07:01] #Xayahh: in the last 4 months
  57. [16:07:03] +Ransei ❤: Xayahh
  58. [16:07:14] +Ransei ❤: was there a specific reason you chose Suicide Cup to be omotm?
  59. [16:07:19] +Ransei ❤: voted*
  60. [16:07:25] %DurzaOffTopic: mfw ransei
  61. [16:07:26] #Xayahh: it seems fun
  62. [16:07:28] %DurzaOffTopic: we're tryna have a workshop
  63. [16:07:32] +Ransei ❤: ah, alright ty
  64. [16:07:36] #Xayahh: why?
  65. [16:07:44] #Xayahh: !poll show
  66. [16:07:50] @pinktidal: yay
  67. [16:07:53] +LightPinkYoshi: FeelsBad
  68. [16:07:57] Ktutverde: o u do teambuilding sessions here?
  69. [16:07:58] Jmash324: rip Mareanie
  70. [16:08:01] #Xayahh: 3 minutes left still
  71. [16:08:04] #Xayahh: so
  72. [16:08:12] #Xayahh: I'd rather not have a 3 way tie
  73. [16:08:12] %DurzaOffTopic: murktime
  74. [16:08:14] @pinktidal: hp grass or DP for murk
  75. [16:08:22] @pinktidal: last slot feels weird
  76. [16:08:37] SergioRules: make it a 4 way tie
  77. [16:08:39] %DurzaOffTopic: ampharos is really boring
  78. [16:08:40] %DurzaOffTopic: idk
  79. [16:08:50] SergioRules: someone vote ninjask and simisage
  80. [16:08:51] %DurzaOffTopic: i kinda like murk's movepool
  81. [16:08:59] @pinktidal: amphy is so bad
  82. [16:09:06] SergioRules: yeah tbh
  83. [16:09:07] +LightPinkYoshi: i almost got swept by defensive boosting amphy once
  84. [16:09:14] @pinktidal: also dont know why simisage is losing
  85. [16:09:16] +LightPinkYoshi: was actually kinda terrifying
  86. [16:09:20] @pinktidal: grass monkey is nice
  87. [16:09:30] #Xayahh: one more minute, if it's tied imma let the bot choose between those three
  88. [16:09:53] SergioRules: simisage is good
  89. [16:09:55] Jmash324: imagine leaving something to RNG
  90. [16:09:58] Jmash324: in pokemon
  91. [16:10:02] SergioRules: well __good__
  92. [16:10:17] +LightPinkYoshi: oh damn my internet might cut out
  93. [16:10:22] +LightPinkYoshi: yay midwest storms
  94. [16:10:23] Jmash324: ;-;
  95. [16:10:28] #Xayahh: time's up!
  96. [16:10:33] +spooktune: woah LightPinkYoshi when did you get +
  97. [16:10:33] SergioRules: yo same
  98. [16:10:39] @pinktidal: april showers bring may flowers
  99. [16:10:46] #Xayahh: !pick Ampharos, Raticate, Murkrow
  100. [16:10:46] |html|<div class="infobox"><em>We randomly picked:</em> Murkrow</div>
  101. [16:10:48] +spooktune: NO
  102. [16:10:50] Jmash324: reeee
  103. [16:10:51] #Xayahh: there we go
  104. [16:10:52] +LightPinkYoshi: i think it was tuesday
  105. [16:10:54] +spooktune: xayahh
  106. [16:10:57] +spooktune: just have a second poll
  107. [16:10:59] @pinktidal: :)
  108. [16:11:01] +spooktune: with the three mons
  109. [16:11:02] +LightPinkYoshi: To the other person who voted ninjask i appreciate you
  110. [16:11:53] #Xayahh: okay so now
  111. [16:12:04] #Xayahh: we have to actually choose the set, since Murkrow can do a few different things
  112. [16:12:25] #Xayahh: my personal proposal is to run a Pursuit trapper that isn't weak to Fighting to trap Grumpig relatively easily, but there's other things too
  113. [16:12:26] SergioRules: z mirror move only set
  114. [16:12:39] @pinktidal: mixed is best murk
  115. [16:12:55] @pinktidal: would offensive evio trap be too much though?
  116. [16:13:02] @pinktidal: would let it take AoA i think
  117. [16:13:09] #Xayahh: I was thinking more LO
  118. [16:13:52] +LightPinkYoshi: whenever i see a murkrow the thing im most scared of is sucker punch but it never seems to run it
  119. [16:14:05] #Xayahh: something along these lines
  120. [16:14:14] #Xayahh: I used this back in Beta I think, never again since then
  121. [16:14:15] @pinktidal: so STAB + heatwave
  122. [16:15:18] #Xayahh: !code
  123. [16:15:18] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Murkrow @ Flyinium Z <br />Ability: Insomnia <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Brave Bird <br />- Sucker Punch <br />- Mirror Move <br />- Pursuit</code></div></details></div>
  124. [16:15:25] #Xayahh: That's Flyinium Z Mirror Move
  125. [16:15:26] #Xayahh: or
  126. [16:15:32] #Xayahh: !code
  127. [16:15:32] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Murkrow @ Life Orb <br />Ability: Insomnia <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Brave Bird <br />- Pursuit <br />- Sucker Punch<br />- Thunder Wave &#x2f; Tailwind &#x2f; Taunt &#x2f; Roost</code></div></details></div>
  128. [16:16:00] Jmash324: Are those supposed to be Prankster
  129. [16:16:27] #Xayahh: uh yea
  130. [16:16:29] #Xayahh: my bad lol
  131. [16:16:31] SergioRules: second one is probably
  132. [16:16:42] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Nominations have closed! Which Pokemon should we build around?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Ampharos</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Mareanie</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:21px"></span><small>&nbsp;7%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Murkrow</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Ninjask</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:42px"></span><small>&nbsp;14%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Raticate</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">6. <strong>Simisage</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:42px"></span><small>&nbsp;14%</small></div></div>
  133. [16:16:42] (The poll was ended by Xayahh.)
  134. [16:16:46] @pinktidal: i dont like being walled by mawile
  135. [16:16:59] %yogibears: i vote murk xayah
  136. [16:17:01] %yogibears: yw
  137. [16:17:03] @pinktidal: but flynium sounds dope
  138. [16:17:12] Xayahh used /poll create Which Murkrow set would you like to build around?, Flyinium Z, Physical Life Orb, Mixed Life Orb
  139. [16:17:12] (A poll was started by Xayahh.)
  140. [16:17:37] SergioRules: if we used mixed I'd rather see hp grass than heat wave
  141. [16:17:47] %DurzaOffTopic: yo why is semisupport mukrow not an option
  142. [16:17:58] #Xayahh: right there's that too
  143. [16:18:04] @pinktidal: but heat wave murk + wake up slap purugly + muk is so heat sergio
  144. [16:18:05] SergioRules: although it really depends whether you want to hit maw or golem
  145. [16:18:09] #Xayahh: much harder to build around though
  146. [16:18:46] #Xayahh: /announce Get your votes in for the set!
  147. [16:19:28] SergioRules: might be another !pick lol
  148. [16:19:34] #Xayahh: that would be unfortunate
  149. [16:20:12] Jmash324: do another poll imo with two options
  150. [16:20:15] Jmash324: wait
  151. [16:20:21] Jmash324: nvm I'm blind
  152. [16:20:22] #Xayahh: kinda useless in this case
  153. [16:20:24] Jmash324: ye
  154. [16:20:30] #Xayahh: alright we're doing
  155. [16:20:36] #Xayahh: !pick Z-MM, LO
  156. [16:20:36] |html|<div class="infobox"><em>We randomly picked:</em> LO</div>
  157. [16:20:42] #Xayahh: oh never mind
  158. [16:20:45] @pinktidal: which LO?
  159. [16:20:48] #Xayahh: new votes are coming in
  160. [16:20:51] @pinktidal: noo
  161. [16:20:52] #Xayahh: Z-MM wins now
  162. [16:20:52] SergioRules: mixed
  163. [16:20:59] SergioRules: but noww zmm
  164. [16:21:01] Jmash324: ah ok MM
  165. [16:21:06] #Xayahh: !code
  166. [16:21:06] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Murkrow @ Flyinium Z <br />Ability: Insomnia <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Brave Bird <br />- Sucker Punch <br />- Mirror Move <br />- Pursuit</code></div></details></div>
  167. [16:21:18] SergioRules: prankster
  168. [16:21:23] +spooktune: ^
  169. [16:21:26] #Xayahh: /announce This is the set we will be working with, specific moves and EVs can be changed later
  170. [16:21:33] #Xayahh: !code
  171. [16:21:33] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Murkrow @ Flyinium Z <br />Ability: Prankster<br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Brave Bird <br />- Sucker Punch <br />- Mirror Move <br />- Pursuit</code></div></details></div>
  172. [16:21:35] #Xayahh: mb
  173. [16:21:44] new low: mixed orb seems fun
  174. [16:21:50] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Which Murkrow set would you like to build around?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Flyinium Z</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:180px"></span><small>&nbsp;60%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Physical Life Orb</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Mixed Life Orb</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:120px"></span><small>&nbsp;40%</small></div></div>
  175. [16:21:50] (The poll was ended by Xayahh.)
  176. [16:21:52] z3ll1: is this a workshop?
  177. [16:21:54] #Xayahh: yea
  178. [16:21:57] @pinktidal: does it not get anything of more value than pursuit?
  179. [16:22:02] z3ll1: oh cool
  180. [16:22:09] +LightPinkYoshi: yeah i feel like pursuit doesnt really help us too much on fly MM
  181. [16:22:20] #Xayahh: not on the physical side, Protect has potential use
  182. [16:22:22] #Xayahh: maybe Roost
  183. [16:22:28] #Xayahh: its movepool is quite barren
  184. [16:22:32] %yogibears: roost
  185. [16:22:32] @pinktidal: taunt too
  186. [16:22:34] %yogibears: u die to
  187. [16:22:36] %yogibears: a sneeze
  188. [16:22:43] #Xayahh: anyway
  189. [16:22:45] new low: either taunt or roost
  190. [16:22:52] new low: maybe even knock
  191. [16:22:56] @pinktidal: no knock
  192. [16:22:59] SergioRules: doesn't get knock
  193. [16:23:02] @pinktidal: itd actually be good then
  194. [16:23:04] new low: shame
  195. [16:23:10] z3ll1: id say go for taunt
  196. [16:23:19] @pinktidal: we can wait till team is done
  197. [16:23:19] SergioRules: heat wave could be okay tho w/o LO idk what it does to maw
  198. [16:23:27] +LightPinkYoshi: regardless i think were doing teammates first before fine tuning
  199. [16:23:31] Jmash324: ^
  200. [16:23:45] Jmash324: So, what checks to MM must we account for?
  201. [16:23:53] new low: electrics
  202. [16:23:57] @pinktidal: 4 SpA Murkrow Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mawile: 192-228 (63.1 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
  203. [16:23:57] +LightPinkYoshi: golem is the first thing that comes to mind for me
  204. [16:24:04] z3ll1: for sure mawile and golem
  205. [16:24:05] @pinktidal: mainly rocks and steels
  206. [16:24:10] @pinktidal: thats about it
  207. [16:24:11] new low: lets add a grass
  208. [16:24:15] #Xayahh: /announce It is time to figure out what Pokemon will be pairing with Murkrow! It heavily struggles with bulky Steel-types, faster Pokemon not weak to it, and priority moves, most notably Lycanroc, so getting something to deal with those would be useful! PM me with partner nominations!
  209. [16:24:40] new low: I mean, doesn't rotom cause some headache
  210. [16:24:46] new low: especially wisp
  211. [16:24:54] @pinktidal: +2 sucker chunks
  212. [16:25:03] #Xayahh: that and Frosttom doesn't really run Wisp
  213. [16:25:10] #Xayahh: it's also include in the faster Pokemon thing
  214. [16:25:19] new low: okay, nominating poliwrath
  215. [16:25:29] Jmash324: pm him that
  216. [16:25:38] @pinktidal: only one option in this situation
  217. [16:25:48] @pinktidal: a real catch all mon lol
  218. [16:25:53] #Xayahh: nah multiple options for sure
  219. [16:26:12] RawMelon: Torterra
  220. [16:26:16] @pinktidal: yh but those two loke soo cute together
  221. [16:26:20] @pinktidal: look*
  222. [16:26:42] #Xayahh: 2 more minutes to nominate
  223. [16:26:49] new low: pinktidal, what did you nom?
  224. [16:26:54] z3ll1: doesnt rotom die to +2 sucker + rocks?
  225. [16:26:58] RawMelon: Yache tort to bait rotom. Thank me later
  226. [16:26:59] @pinktidal: it kills yh
  227. [16:27:05] @pinktidal: said tort too
  228. [16:27:19] new low: figures
  229. [16:28:04] Xayahh used /poll create What should Murkrow's first partner be?, Torterra, Alolan Dugtrio, Specially Offensive Poliwrath, Choice Scarf Monferno, Golem
  230. [16:28:04] (A poll was started by Xayahh.)
  231. [16:28:21] #Xayahh: /announce Vote for Murkrow's first partner!
  232. [16:28:47] #Xayahh: can we stop tying
  233. [16:28:54] SergioRules: give me poli or give me death
  234. [16:29:01] Jmash324: someone else vote ;-;
  235. [16:29:18] @pinktidal: that core is scarf frost food
  236. [16:29:34] SergioRules: I wish there was an @here that only ROs and mods could do or smth
  237. [16:29:35] new low: inb4 next person votes duggy
  238. [16:29:56] new low: ahh
  239. [16:30:00] new low: tort wins
  240. [16:30:10] SergioRules: if voting ends now
  241. [16:30:38] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">What should Murkrow&apos;s first partner be?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Torterra</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:150px"></span><small>&nbsp;50%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Alolan Dugtrio</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Specially Offensive Poliwrath</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:114px"></span><small>&nbsp;38%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Choice Scarf Monferno</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:39px"></span><small>&nbsp;13%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Golem</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div></div>
  242. [16:30:38] (The poll was ended by Xayahh.)
  243. [16:30:42] #Xayahh: Torterra it is!
  244. [16:30:54] #Xayahh: since we're quite weak to Rotom-Frost, I suggest the Yache Berry set
  245. [16:31:09] #Xayahh: !code
  246. [16:31:09] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Torterra @ Yache Berry<br />Ability: Overgrow &#x2f; Shell Armor<br />EVs: 252 HP &#x2f; 4 Atk &#x2f; 252 Def<br />Impish Nature<br />- Stealth Rock<br />- Synthesis<br />- Stone Edge<br />- Wood Hammer &#x2f; Earthquake</code></div></details></div>
  247. [16:31:20] #Xayahh: defensive Yache Berry, to be exact
  248. [16:31:22] @pinktidal: oh offensive
  249. [16:31:30] @pinktidal: defensive*
  250. [16:31:37] #Xayahh: offensive is also very possible
  251. [16:31:38] @pinktidal: is edge the standard now?
  252. [16:31:43] RawMelon: Know+tort isn't a core
  253. [16:31:48] @pinktidal: like what does it hit
  254. [16:31:50] RawMelon: To whoever called it a core
  255. [16:31:51] +LightPinkYoshi: how well does yache tort take Z move rotom
  256. [16:31:55] #Xayahh: no, but there's no point in Yache if you can't OHKO Frosttom
  257. [16:31:58] RawMelon: Probably dies
  258. [16:32:10] @pinktidal: doest overgrow hammer do the same damage
  259. [16:32:11] #Xayahh: 252 SpA Rotom-Frost Subzero Slammer (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Yache Berry Torterra: 596-704 (151.2 - 178.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  260. [16:32:14] #Xayahh: it doesn't
  261. [16:32:21] #Xayahh: will have to change the spread
  262. [16:32:21] +LightPinkYoshi: figured
  263. [16:32:32] @pinktidal: doesnt*
  264. [16:32:44] #Xayahh: nvm max/max+ doesn't take it either
  265. [16:32:51] #Xayahh: we'll need to use something else for it too
  266. [16:32:55] Jmash324: ye
  267. [16:32:58] @pinktidal: chinch?
  268. [16:33:00] #Xayahh: and Stone Edge doesn't kill Torterra at the same time
  269. [16:33:05] #Xayahh: nah idt Chinch would fit
  270. [16:33:07] @pinktidal: or just another SSI
  271. [16:33:17] new low: lets add an ice resist
  272. [16:33:18] +LightPinkYoshi: there are plenty of rotom checks tp pick from
  273. [16:33:23] %DurzaOffTopic: wait how can we establish
  274. [16:33:27] %DurzaOffTopic: that we're weak to frostom
  275. [16:33:28] %DurzaOffTopic: at mon2
  276. [16:33:35] #Xayahh: this is temporary, obviously
  277. [16:33:45] #Xayahh: but when both mons are Ice weak, having at least something against it is nice
  278. [16:33:46] %DurzaOffTopic: are we just assuming that we're losing to frostom because thats what zu has become
  279. [16:33:47] %DurzaOffTopic: L
  280. [16:33:49] SergioRules: you know what's a good ice resist
  281. [16:33:54] SergioRules: poliwrath
  282. [16:34:04] %DurzaOffTopic: it also is a great thunderbolt resist
  283. [16:34:04] SergioRules: unfort not a good rotom check lol
  284. [16:34:04] @pinktidal: seaking
  285. [16:34:06] new low: poli can't block a vs though
  286. [16:34:14] SergioRules: AV seaking the GOAT
  287. [16:34:21] @pinktidal: decently strong and can status checks if lefties
  288. [16:34:23] new low: I mean, if we add it, we can play 50-50s
  289. [16:34:36] new low: but I don't know if that's a good idea
  290. [16:34:39] @pinktidal: if we're going non water seaking id rather have silv water
  291. [16:34:42] @pinktidal: for fog
  292. [16:34:52] @pinktidal: non seaking water*
  293. [16:35:00] #Xayahh: /announce Murkrow and Torterra will need something to deal with their shared weakness to Rotom-Frost, and we also need some more general utility, like ways to get Murkrow in safely, hazard removal, speed control, and checks to relevant Pokemon. PM me your nominations!
  294. [16:38:43] Xayahh used /poll create What should our third Pokemon be?, Rapidash, Probopass, Silvally-Water, Zebstrika, Choice Scarf Manectric
  295. [16:38:43] (A poll was started by Xayahh.)
  296. [16:38:52] #Xayahh: /announce Vote for our third Pokemon!
  297. [16:41:02] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">What should our third Pokemon be?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Rapidash</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Probopass</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:150px"></span><small>&nbsp;50%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Silvally-Water</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:99px"></span><small>&nbsp;33%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Zebstrika</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Choice Scarf Manectric</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:51px"></span><small>&nbsp;17%</small></div></div>
  298. [16:41:02] (The poll was ended by Xayahh.)
  299. [16:41:10] #Xayahh: Probopass will be our next Pokemon
  300. [16:41:39] #Xayahh: Durza also suggested to change Torterra to offensive while adding Probo, so that we have two offensive threats that benefit from its presence
  301. [16:42:06] %DurzaOffTopic: bop
  302. [16:42:06] #Xayahh: we also get to decide between the more offensive Probopass that traps slightly more efficiently or the more defensive one that checks Rotom-Frost better
  303. [16:42:14] @pinktidal: we get donked by doggo if we run offensive
  304. [16:42:17] #Xayahh: !code
  305. [16:42:17] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Probopass @ Leftovers<br />Ability: Magnet Pull<br />EVs: 248 HP &#x2f; 176 SpD &#x2f; 84 Spe<br />Calm Nature<br />IVs: 0 Atk<br />- Volt Switch<br />- Earth Power<br />- Pain Split<br />- Stealth Rock &#x2f; Power Gem<br /><br />Probopass @ Groundium Z &#x2f; Leftovers<br />Ability: Magnet Pull<br />EVs: 168 HP &#x2f; 252 SpA &#x2f; 88 Spe<br />Modest Nature<br />IVs: 0 Atk<br />- Volt Switch<br />- Earth Power<br />- Pain Split<br />- Power Gem &#x2f; Stealth Rock</code></div></details></div>
  306. [16:42:21] %DurzaOffTopic: i def think the defensive
  307. [16:42:27] +LightPinkYoshi: id agree on defensive
  308. [16:42:30] #Xayahh: I agree with defensive yea
  309. [16:42:45] +LightPinkYoshi: probo fills nice rolls of checking fridge, setting rocks, and pivoting into threats
  310. [16:42:45] %DurzaOffTopic: i also dont like running 2 z moves
  311. [16:42:45] %DurzaOffTopic: L
  312. [16:42:58] #Xayahh: pinktidal is right about Lycanroc becoming very threatening, we'll have to get something else for it then
  313. [16:43:03] #Xayahh: but Poliwrath is still possible
  314. [16:43:04] Jmash324: Wait offensive rocks Tort?
  315. [16:43:07] @pinktidal: no
  316. [16:43:12] @pinktidal: double dance im guessing
  317. [16:43:20] Jmash324: hmm what item tho?
  318. [16:43:31] @pinktidal: lum or soft sand maybe sense we already have a z
  319. [16:43:38] @pinktidal: since*
  320. [16:43:47] @pinktidal: defensive probo sounds best
  321. [16:43:51] @pinktidal: if offensive tort
  322. [16:44:09] #Xayahh: in that case, the team currently looks like this
  323. [16:44:12] #Xayahh: !code
  324. [16:44:12] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Murkrow @ Flyinium Z <br />Ability: Insomnia <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Brave Bird <br />- Sucker Punch <br />- Mirror Move <br />- Pursuit <br /><br />Torterra @ Lum Berry <br />Ability: Overgrow <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 Def &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Rock Polish <br />- Wood Hammer <br />- Earthquake <br />- Stone Edge <br /><br />Probopass @ Leftovers <br />Ability: Magnet Pull <br />EVs: 248 HP &#x2f; 176 SpD &#x2f; 84 Spe <br />Calm Nature <br />IVs: 0 Atk <br />- Volt Switch <br />- Earth Power <br />- Pain Split <br />- Stealth Rock <br /><br /></code></div></details></div>
  325. [16:44:20] %DurzaOffTopic: idk about lum tort
  326. [16:44:43] @pinktidal: we could run a fat offensive variant with toxic
  327. [16:44:59] %DurzaOffTopic: what about
  328. [16:44:59] @pinktidal: or just lefties on DD
  329. [16:45:01] %DurzaOffTopic: occa berry
  330. [16:45:06] #Xayahh: that can work
  331. [16:45:07] %DurzaOffTopic: catch those manectrics
  332. [16:45:14] @pinktidal: yh we're pretty ferno weak
  333. [16:45:15] %DurzaOffTopic: froasty used it against me once
  334. [16:45:21] %DurzaOffTopic: it was p good
  335. [16:45:31] #Xayahh: okay so
  336. [16:45:36] #Xayahh: we're gonna need a Lycanroc check
  337. [16:45:40] #Xayahh: some speed control
  338. [16:45:44] #Xayahh: hazard removal
  339. [16:46:03] #Xayahh: !code
  340. [16:46:03] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Murkrow @ Flyinium Z <br />Ability: Insomnia <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Brave Bird <br />- Sucker Punch <br />- Mirror Move <br />- Pursuit <br /><br />Torterra @ Occa Berry <br />Ability: Overgrow <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 Def &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Rock Polish <br />- Wood Hammer <br />- Earthquake <br />- Stone Edge <br /><br />Probopass @ Leftovers <br />Ability: Magnet Pull <br />EVs: 248 HP &#x2f; 176 SpD &#x2f; 84 Spe <br />Calm Nature <br />IVs: 0 Atk <br />- Volt Switch <br />- Earth Power <br />- Pain Split <br />- Stealth Rock</code></div></details></div>
  341. [16:46:15] #Xayahh: /announce That's the team! Nominate our next member!
  342. [16:47:11] %DurzaOffTopic: we dont need a hard lycan check
  343. [16:47:31] %DurzaOffTopic: offensive tort still checks it fine but like something else is nice to cover it
  344. [16:48:40] #Diagnostic: You need an Electivire check as well since Torterra is offensive here and your team lacks speed control so far.
  345. [16:48:59] #Xayahh: hey welcome Diag!
  346. [16:49:15] #Diagnostic: Thank you, sorry for the late arrival.
  347. [16:49:22] +LightPinkYoshi: we also dont look too hot against something like granbull
  348. [16:49:37] Xayahh used /poll create What should our fourth Pokemon be?, Sandslash, Silvally-Fighting
  349. [16:49:37] (A poll was started by Xayahh.)
  350. [16:49:45] #Xayahh: these are the nominations I got!
  351. [16:49:57] #Xayahh: /announce vote on our fourth Pokemon!
  352. [16:50:18] Tsareentje: Oh hey guys
  353. [16:50:33] Tsareentje: Workshop?
  354. [16:50:40] Jmash324: yuh
  355. [16:50:49] Tsareentje: Yay! \o/
  356. [16:50:51] %DurzaOffTopic: uhhh
  357. [16:50:59] Tsareentje: Sry didnt check discord
  358. [16:51:01] %DurzaOffTopic: not huge fans of either really
  359. [16:51:13] %DurzaOffTopic: silv works though.
  360. [16:51:13] #Diagnostic: Same. There's issues in both.
  361. [16:51:25] @pinktidal: either silv water or fight
  362. [16:51:31] Tsareentje: I am not common with sandslash
  363. [16:51:37] @pinktidal: slash is solid
  364. [16:51:42] @pinktidal: but not on this team
  365. [16:51:53] Tsareentje: No shouldnt pick another ground
  366. [16:51:54] Aleccat: #freesilvwater
  367. [16:52:07] Aleccat: huge ice weakness
  368. [16:52:07] #Xayahh: I like Silv Fighting better out of these two
  369. [16:52:15] Aleccat: beartic will rek this team
  370. [16:52:17] Tsareentje: Voted silv too
  371. [16:52:31] #Xayahh: Probo is a decent Ice resist, and Watervally is no Ice check when Frosttom and Lapras are the best ones
  372. [16:52:34] +LightPinkYoshi: same (ignore the fact that i nommed slash a bit too quickly :P)
  373. [16:52:34] @pinktidal: VT with probo + a solid dog check
  374. [16:52:49] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">What should our fourth Pokemon be?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Sandslash</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:39px"></span><small>&nbsp;13%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Silvally-Fighting</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:264px"></span><small>&nbsp;88%</small></div></div>
  375. [16:52:49] (The poll was ended by Xayahh.)
  376. [16:52:51] #Diagnostic: The team wants a Rapidash / Electivire Check outside of Torterra since if it's weakened, murkrow is pressured since the Z-move will be nullified by ability immunities.
  377. [16:53:02] #Xayahh: so Silvally-Fighting will be our fourth Pokemon
  378. [16:53:02] Tsareentje: Murkrow is cool mon
  379. [16:53:15] Tsareentje: the momentum of silv helps probo alot
  380. [16:53:18] new low: golem again?
  381. [16:53:34] #Xayahh: since we need hazard removal on this team, I suggest something along these lines
  382. [16:53:37] @pinktidal: 248hp/76def/184+spe right?
  383. [16:53:38] #Xayahh: !code
  384. [16:53:38] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Silvally-Fighting @ Fighting Memory<br />Ability: RKS System<br />EVs: 240 HP &#x2f; 252 Def &#x2f; 16 Spe<br />Impish Nature<br />- Multi-Attack<br />- Defog<br />- Parting Shot<br />- Toxic &#x2f; Crunch</code></div></details></div>
  385. [16:53:48] #Xayahh: however, faster varianst are entirely possible
  386. [16:53:49] Igirl45: Sandslash sould be the 4th pokemon ;-;
  387. [16:53:55] Igirl45: should*
  388. [16:53:57] Aleccat: FREE SANDSLASH
  389. [16:54:00] Igirl45: yes
  390. [16:54:03] @pinktidal: pshot sounds rly nice for double setup
  391. [16:54:05] new low: I'd rather have uturn on fighting sylv
  392. [16:54:25] new low: but parting shot helps murk
  393. [16:55:30] Igirl45: silv-fighting looks electric type..
  394. [16:56:52] %DurzaOffTopic: nah u gotta run uturn on fightvally
  395. [16:56:59] Aleccat: i second
  396. [16:57:00] @pinktidal: for what
  397. [16:57:04] %DurzaOffTopic: mime
  398. [16:57:07] new low: grumpug
  399. [16:57:09] %DurzaOffTopic: and psychics
  400. [16:57:11] @pinktidal: we can pack a mime check
  401. [16:57:16] %DurzaOffTopic: no its not like that
  402. [16:57:17] @pinktidal: like grumpig fits this team so well
  403. [16:57:19] +spooktune: sandygast
  404. [16:57:19] %DurzaOffTopic: its such bait
  405. [16:57:24] %DurzaOffTopic: for mime
  406. [16:57:30] %DurzaOffTopic: with pshot
  407. [16:57:33] Aleccat: sandygast i second
  408. [16:57:36] @pinktidal: it checks no horn dash, mime, and evire sorta
  409. [16:57:43] %DurzaOffTopic: its not about checks
  410. [16:57:44] @pinktidal: and can run twave for speed control
  411. [16:57:48] Tsareentje: We need a good mime check ye
  412. [16:57:50] %DurzaOffTopic: its about momentum
  413. [16:57:51] @pinktidal: free setup
  414. [16:57:58] @pinktidal: for tort/bird
  415. [16:58:02] %DurzaOffTopic: u still have to run a mime check regardless if you run uturn
  416. [16:58:05] @pinktidal: id they dont switch mime hard in
  417. [16:58:10] Igirl45: k
  418. [16:58:19] @pinktidal: and* oops
  419. [16:58:19] %DurzaOffTopic: why would anybody not hardswitch mime into fightvally
  420. [16:58:23] @pinktidal: toxic
  421. [16:58:26] Aleccat: you shouldn't switch murk into mime anyway
  422. [16:58:27] Igirl45: what should i switch to?
  423. [16:58:31] %DurzaOffTopic: it doesn't care about toxic
  424. [16:58:33] %DurzaOffTopic: just run uturn and save your momentum
  425. [16:58:34] %DurzaOffTopic: lol
  426. [16:58:35] @pinktidal: or coverage in case its offensive
  427. [16:58:43] @pinktidal: setup is so much more woth it
  428. [16:58:46] @pinktidal: worth*
  429. [16:58:47] new low: Aleccat swith murk into gleam sounds like a great idea
  430. [16:58:48] %DurzaOffTopic: its really not
  431. [16:59:01] @pinktidal: id rather be scared to lose momentum to one mon and setup on the rest
  432. [16:59:04] %DurzaOffTopic: u give mime a free nasty plot and it can be game
  433. [16:59:19] %DurzaOffTopic: i dont really think pshot is that useful for setup
  434. [16:59:41] %DurzaOffTopic: murkrow is getting 2hkod by like anything
  435. [16:59:47] %DurzaOffTopic: regardless of -1 or not
  436. [16:59:52] @pinktidal: not a bad option
  437. [17:00:02] Aleccat: murkrow is getting ohko* regardless
  438. [17:00:08] @pinktidal: tort isnt
  439. [17:00:12] Aleccat: true
  440. [17:00:35] #Diagnostic: Silvally fighting should always use U-turn as its pivoting move and if you're going a bulkier variant, you might be interested in a SD Fightvally with a speed creep above at least offensive murkrow / rotom-frost.
  441. [17:00:41] %DurzaOffTopic: tort is tanking anything it would set up on regardless of -1 or not imo
  442. [17:00:59] #Diagnostic: Or make sure it's not slower than offensive grumpig so you can pivot on it.
  443. [17:01:00] %DurzaOffTopic: just run uturn please its not worth losing games over
  444. [17:01:16] @pinktidal: honestly think youte over estimating mime
  445. [17:01:17] #Diagnostic: U-turn is essential for physical silvally variants.
  446. [17:01:23] @pinktidal: youre*
  447. [17:01:23] Aleccat: uturn is essential
  448. [17:01:31] Aleccat: diagnostic is correct
  449. [17:01:35] @pinktidal: lol
  450. [17:01:48] new low: essential is a phone
  451. [17:01:49] @pinktidal: whatever is best for the team
  452. [17:01:51] Tsareentje: Maybe we need a mime by ourselfs
  453. [17:01:53] %DurzaOffTopic: while mime is a big factor, its much nicer to chip psychics with uturn
  454. [17:01:53] %DurzaOffTopic: too
  455. [17:02:08] Jmash324: U-turn is just safe momentum
  456. [17:02:10] Aleccat: can we switch parting shot then
  457. [17:02:16] %DurzaOffTopic: than just putting them at -1
  458. [17:02:17] Tsareentje: Or is that a bad idea
  459. [17:02:23] #Xayahh: yea we can easily go U-turn
  460. [17:02:25] Igirl45: MC Cynix was hacking
  461. [17:02:28] %DurzaOffTopic: because psychic types are the best switch in to fightvally
  462. [17:02:33] #Xayahh: I agree with that
  463. [17:02:37] %DurzaOffTopic: and murk can beat them regardless of -1 or not
  464. [17:02:56] @pinktidal: what psychics are there besides mime/pig?
  465. [17:03:03] Aleccat: dark/fighting/psy core i'm presuming the goal is?
  466. [17:03:07] new low: do we have any water-ground types?
  467. [17:03:11] %DurzaOffTopic: kadabra
  468. [17:03:13] Tsareentje: Beheeyem
  469. [17:03:22] @pinktidal: murk always loses to kadabra
  470. [17:03:26] Aleccat: there's silvally-psychic and kadabra and duosion and beheeyem pinktidal
  471. [17:03:27] new low: kadabra is worth breaking sash
  472. [17:03:30] #Diagnostic: Yeah, it's going along that route @ aleccat.
  473. [17:03:32] %DurzaOffTopic: ^
  474. [17:03:36] %DurzaOffTopic: arrowblocked
  475. [17:03:36] @pinktidal: silv psych is a thing
  476. [17:03:37] @pinktidal: ?
  477. [17:03:40] Aleccat: yes
  478. [17:03:42] %DurzaOffTopic: no
  479. [17:03:43] Jmash324: No
  480. [17:03:43] %DurzaOffTopic: its not
  481. [17:03:44] @pinktidal: lol
  482. [17:03:46] %DurzaOffTopic: its so bad
  483. [17:03:46] @pinktidal: haha
  484. [17:03:47] new low: yeah, but its bad
  485. [17:03:48] Aleccat: it's going to be a thing
  486. [17:03:51] Aleccat: i promise
  487. [17:03:54] Tsareentje: Bronzor and metang are also cool :c
  488. [17:03:56] %DurzaOffTopic: its actually so bad lol
  489. [17:03:59] Aleccat: bronzor is a fake psychic
  490. [17:04:06] @pinktidal: murk loses to zong and tang no?
  491. [17:04:16] %DurzaOffTopic: yeah but tort doesn't.
  492. [17:04:23] @pinktidal: true
  493. [17:04:27] Tsareentje: we have enough cool psychics in zu
  494. [17:04:27] Aleccat: who is zong and i'm not sure about tang but probably
  495. [17:04:27] #Diagnostic: So far let me list some issues with our core so people can give proper suggestions of how to EV this.
  496. [17:04:28] %DurzaOffTopic: and metang blocks pshot too
  497. [17:04:30] @pinktidal: and you cant pshot tang
  498. [17:04:31] Jmash324: What checks Rapidas?
  499. [17:04:34] @pinktidal: stop sniping
  500. [17:04:37] @pinktidal: smh
  501. [17:04:39] %DurzaOffTopic: /me reloads
  502. [17:04:40] new low: deosn't tort lose to zong
  503. [17:04:42] @pinktidal: :S
  504. [17:04:49] @pinktidal: yh unless z crunch
  505. [17:04:51] %DurzaOffTopic: define lose
  506. [17:04:59] %DurzaOffTopic: doesn't tort boost up to +6
  507. [17:05:01] new low: get killed by toxic
  508. [17:05:01] %DurzaOffTopic: and break
  509. [17:05:13] @pinktidal: we should prolly run fast fight vally
  510. [17:05:23] %DurzaOffTopic: ok fine we have a probopass we just trap
  511. [17:05:26] Tsareentje: I am in for that
  512. [17:05:26] new low: I guess its posible depending on the psywave rolls
  513. [17:05:29] %DurzaOffTopic: yeah i agree with speed investment
  514. [17:05:42] @pinktidal: probo does 0 to zor lol
  515. [17:05:51] %DurzaOffTopic: sets up on it
  516. [17:05:54] %DurzaOffTopic: rocks that is
  517. [17:05:55] @pinktidal: enough to creep rotom
  518. [17:05:57] Tsareentje: it volt switches
  519. [17:06:00] @pinktidal: or faster than that?
  520. [17:06:00] %DurzaOffTopic: and then free volt switch
  521. [17:06:07] @pinktidal: for silv i mean
  522. [17:06:14] %DurzaOffTopic: uh thats a lot of speed
  523. [17:06:16] %DurzaOffTopic: but yeah ig
  524. [17:06:20] Aleccat: who is zong
  525. [17:06:21] %DurzaOffTopic: actually
  526. [17:06:22] %DurzaOffTopic: idk
  527. [17:06:25] %DurzaOffTopic: slow uturn is kinda hot
  528. [17:06:25] new low: yeah, just the standard 184 jolly
  529. [17:06:26] +LightPinkYoshi: bronzor allecat
  530. [17:06:31] Igirl45: Allecat
  531. [17:06:32] Aleccat: but it's bronzor
  532. [17:06:36] @pinktidal: same dif
  533. [17:06:43] Igirl45: Aleccat
  534. [17:06:48] new low: fine, mirror
  535. [17:06:51] new low: better
  536. [17:07:24] new low: bronzor is to now be referred to as mirron, zong is bell
  537. [17:07:26] @pinktidal: !code
  538. [17:07:26] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">[Silvally-Fighting @ Fighting Memory <br />Ability: RKS System <br />EVs: 240 HP &#x2f; 84 Def &#x2f; 184 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Multi-Attack <br />- Defog <br />- Parting Shot <br />- Toxic]</code></div></details></div>
  539. [17:07:29] %DurzaOffTopic: bop
  540. [17:07:40] %DurzaOffTopic: im not sure i want to sacrifice that bulk actually
  541. [17:07:47] %DurzaOffTopic: i kinda like slow uturns vs other silvally
  542. [17:07:52] new low: I'd say no
  543. [17:07:57] new low: keep the bulk
  544. [17:08:03] #Xayahh: revenge killing Frosttom is cool though
  545. [17:08:08] #Xayahh: or well
  546. [17:08:11] #Xayahh: outspeeding it rather
  547. [17:08:11] %DurzaOffTopic: how much does uninvested even do
  548. [17:08:15] %DurzaOffTopic: idt much
  549. [17:08:26] @pinktidal: like 60 im p sure
  550. [17:08:33] %DurzaOffTopic: but like its so annoying when u pivot out of an opposing silvally and then it gets the -1 on whatever comes in
  551. [17:08:52] #Xayahh: 0 Atk Silvally-Fighting Multi-Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Frost: 176-210 (73 - 87.1%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
  552. [17:08:59] Tsareentje: Oh wow
  553. [17:09:02] Tsareentje: that is good
  554. [17:09:02] +LightPinkYoshi: damn
  555. [17:09:04] #Diagnostic: /announce Rapidash, Cross Chop + Ice Punch Electivire, Substitute Simipour, RP Regice, Scarf + Trick Rotom-Frost, Ditto, Ice Beam Fightvally, Offensive Torterra, and other things along those lines.
  556. [17:09:13] Aleccat: ditto
  557. [17:09:14] Aleccat: ditto
  558. [17:09:23] #Diagnostic: Make sure we can check those so far when making decisions.
  559. [17:09:30] #Diagnostic: We lack speed control.
  560. [17:09:36] #Xayahh: yea was about to say that too
  561. [17:09:43] Aleccat: choice scarf ditto outspeeds all
  562. [17:09:47] #Xayahh: this team is very offensive, it's worth going down that route
  563. [17:10:04] #Xayahh: Grumpig is a solid option, combined with some form of fast Scarfer like maybe Manectric
  564. [17:10:20] Aleccat: grumpig is gr8 i agree but not the cm variant
  565. [17:10:22] %DurzaOffTopic: i want a scarfer that can beat the things listed
  566. [17:10:30] @pinktidal: pig first with twave
  567. [17:10:34] @pinktidal: checks all those
  568. [17:10:40] #Diagnostic: We need a psychic type that solidifies our Dark-Psychic-Fighting core but assists with speed.
  569. [17:10:50] #Xayahh: we can go Kadabra
  570. [17:10:51] #Xayahh: actually
  571. [17:11:00] @pinktidal: offensive route
  572. [17:11:03] @pinktidal: sounds cool
  573. [17:11:05] #Xayahh: SashBra works wonders as an emergency check to things in general
  574. [17:11:08] SergioRules: what's the hp on silvally for out of curiousity
  575. [17:11:10] #Xayahh: makes the ream REALLY offensive
  576. [17:11:12] #Diagnostic: Kadabra also uses T-wave and fits very well on offensive cores.
  577. [17:11:15] SergioRules: like why 240
  578. [17:11:27] Igirl45: slay me Aleccat
  579. [17:11:31] @pinktidal: scared af of vire/dash now
  580. [17:11:44] %DurzaOffTopic: how much speed does rp tort run
  581. [17:11:45] #Diagnostic: This also gives you a status absorber and something to switch into leech seed or passive attempts to wear down your squad.
  582. [17:12:04] #Xayahh: yea I like Kadabra
  583. [17:12:14] %DurzaOffTopic: first time i actually liked kadabra
  584. [17:12:15] #Xayahh: RP Tort should be max Jolly
  585. [17:12:21] #Xayahh: because of Scarf Frosttom
  586. [17:12:24] Aleccat: i dislike kadabra in this because we have no switchins assuming fast fightvally
  587. [17:12:44] @pinktidal: we could run a scarfer that helps with em
  588. [17:12:59] @pinktidal: but id definelty rather use pig over kadabra
  589. [17:13:09] Igirl45: Aleccat is my cuz
  590. [17:13:19] SergioRules: I was thinking scarf duggy-a if we're scared of dash/vire
  591. [17:13:24] Aleccat: stop harassing me igirl45
  592. [17:13:25] SergioRules: but that seems piss weak
  593. [17:13:57] @pinktidal: pig + ugly solidifies our team defensively
  594. [17:14:03] +LightPinkYoshi: scarf pinsir could also be an option, but is slower than frosttom
  595. [17:14:06] @pinktidal: idk what scarfer helps 2/ abra
  596. [17:14:11] @pinktidal: w/*
  597. [17:14:22] #Diagnostic: Also I prefer SD Fightvally over a toxic variant on this team so that you always beat Vigoroth and SE pokemon that can take a multi-attack.
  598. [17:14:22] +LightPinkYoshi: i like ugly as well pink
  599. [17:14:37] #Diagnostic: Toxic Fightvally is too passive on this team.
  600. [17:14:52] SergioRules: people actually use purugly here huh
  601. [17:14:58] @pinktidal: its good
  602. [17:15:05] +LightPinkYoshi: purugly is fire
  603. [17:15:09] #Diagnostic: Plus no psychic type wants to take a +2 U-turn.
  604. [17:15:22] +LightPinkYoshi: fake out + return kills so many offensive mons
  605. [17:15:25] %DurzaOffTopic: purugly is super good rn
  606. [17:15:29] @pinktidal: no toxic seems weird
  607. [17:15:35] %DurzaOffTopic: like i always switch my intimidate mon in
  608. [17:15:38] Igirl45: im not boiii
  609. [17:15:40] Igirl45: ...
  610. [17:15:41] Igirl45: ;-;
  611. [17:15:45] Aleccat: i too think we should go sd uturn fightvally
  612. [17:16:07] Tsareentje: Purugly seems good for this team actually
  613. [17:16:24] Tsareentje: but then we really need something for fighting
  614. [17:16:27] %DurzaOffTopic: im not sure about purugly because of its lack of defensive purpose and actually specific purpose
  615. [17:16:28] @pinktidal: pig
  616. [17:16:28] %DurzaOffTopic: on the team
  617. [17:16:31] %DurzaOffTopic: we need a fight resist
  618. [17:16:32] Tsareentje: Yes
  619. [17:16:35] %DurzaOffTopic: yeah pig>kadabra
  620. [17:16:35] %DurzaOffTopic: tbh
  621. [17:16:42] Tsareentje: I vote for pig
  622. [17:16:45] #Xayahh: /announce Discussion in chat has brought us to quite a few potential Pokemon, like Kadabra and Grumpig! PM me with any other nominations you may have!
  623. [17:16:57] Tsareentje: it is always good option with tort
  624. [17:17:04] Aleccat: purugly would make our fighting weakness a lot more apparent, and it just wouldn't work with only one slot left
  625. [17:17:15] @pinktidal: it works fine
  626. [17:17:17] @pinktidal: prio spam
  627. [17:17:24] Aleccat: pig all the way
  628. [17:17:24] @pinktidal: + dark
  629. [17:17:33] Tsareentje: Just add pig
  630. [17:17:37] Tsareentje: we need it too much
  631. [17:17:38] +LightPinkYoshi: ugly beats dash + vire 1v1 assuming fake out
  632. [17:17:46] Aleccat: pig would give us a solid core
  633. [17:17:47] Tsareentje: combusken will take us ez aswell
  634. [17:18:03] +LightPinkYoshi: yeah the fire fightings are kinda terrifying
  635. [17:18:24] Xayahh used /poll create What should our fifth Pokemon be?, Kadabra, Grumpig, Purugly, Choice Scarf Pinsir, Mr. Mime
  636. [17:18:24] (A poll was started by Xayahh.)
  637. [17:18:33] #Xayahh: /announce vote guys!
  638. [17:18:39] Aleccat: who said pinsir lol
  639. [17:18:39] +LightPinkYoshi: its pig lmao
  640. [17:18:47] %DurzaOffTopic: 4 misclicks
  641. [17:18:49] %DurzaOffTopic: trust
  642. [17:19:03] @pinktidal: oh i thought ugly was last slot
  643. [17:19:35] #Xayahh: yea okay that's clear enough
  644. [17:19:37] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">What should our fifth Pokemon be?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Kadabra</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Grumpig</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:300px"></span><small>&nbsp;100%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Purugly</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Choice Scarf Pinsir</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Mr. Mime</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div></div>
  645. [17:19:37] (The poll was ended by Xayahh.)
  646. [17:19:37] Tsareentje: Grumpig is going skyhigh
  647. [17:19:43] #Xayahh: Grumpig uh... won
  648. [17:19:54] Igirl45: Aleccat is a mime pig ;-;\
  649. [17:20:06] Aleccat: okay pls stop
  650. [17:20:09] #Xayahh: !code
  651. [17:20:09] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Grumpig @ Mago Berry<br />Ability: Thick Fat<br />EVs: 252 HP &#x2f; 80 SpD &#x2f; 176 Spe<br />Timid Nature<br />IVs: 0 Atk<br />- Recycle<br />- Taunt &#x2f; Substitute<br />- Psychic<br />- Focus Blast &#x2f; Shadow Ball<br /></code></div></details></div>
  652. [17:20:13] Tsareentje: It will turn tough rn
  653. [17:20:19] #Xayahh: I like the Mago Berry set the best usually
  654. [17:20:25] Tsareentje: Yes
  655. [17:20:39] Tsareentje: Go for focus for sure
  656. [17:20:52] %DurzaOffTopic: iapapa is superior, Xayahh
  657. [17:20:52] Tsareentje: and I think taunts works best for this team
  658. [17:20:55] @pinktidal: no physdef investment?
  659. [17:21:14] #Xayahh: Durza they're literally the same
  660. [17:21:15] Igirl45 was warned by DurzaOffTopic. (constantly trolling/annoying, asked to stop.)
  661. [17:21:40] %DurzaOffTopic: Xayahh i repeat
  662. [17:21:44] %DurzaOffTopic: iapapa is superior.
  663. [17:21:47] #Xayahh: ...
  664. [17:21:49] Aleccat: should we go shadow ball on pig?
  665. [17:21:53] Igirl45: I was jkinh
  666. [17:21:58] %DurzaOffTopic: papapig.
  667. [17:22:00] Igirl45: jking
  668. [17:22:02] #Xayahh: no, Focus Blast would be better
  669. [17:22:05] #Xayahh: I'd say
  670. [17:22:06] Aleccat: ok
  671. [17:22:09] Igirl45: Alec is my friend
  672. [17:22:14] Aleccat: no i'm not
  673. [17:22:19] Aleccat: i don't know you
  674. [17:22:22] +LightPinkYoshi: chill pls
  675. [17:22:24] #Xayahh: Igirl45 please stop it
  676. [17:22:34] Igirl45: Im not doing anything
  677. [17:22:35] #Xayahh: not sure on Taunt vs Sub for this team
  678. [17:22:41] @pinktidal: sub plz
  679. [17:22:42] Igirl45: I know alec in real life I do
  680. [17:22:45] @pinktidal: bouff messes us up
  681. [17:22:45] %DurzaOffTopic: sub
  682. [17:22:46] Tsareentje: Both works for the plays against stall
  683. [17:22:59] %DurzaOffTopic: sub + fblast almost invalidates lipard if it hits
  684. [17:23:02] %DurzaOffTopic: super annoying
  685. [17:23:07] #Xayahh: that's fair
  686. [17:23:08] Igirl45: Xay u dont know me in real life
  687. [17:23:19] Tsareentje: sub is great y
  688. [17:23:26] +LightPinkYoshi: thats not the issue right now. the issue is that your clogging the chat with things that have nothing to do with teambuilding
  689. [17:23:36] #Xayahh: so we really need some speed control
  690. [17:23:41] Tsareentje: Uhu
  691. [17:23:43] @pinktidal: ugly
  692. [17:23:48] %DurzaOffTopic: ugly isn't speed contro
  693. [17:23:49] Igirl45: no im not4
  694. [17:24:00] @pinktidal: i mean twave pig
  695. [17:24:06] Aleccat: ugly is not speed control, it's prio momentum
  696. [17:24:09] @pinktidal: we could run sub lefties over maho
  697. [17:24:13] +LightPinkYoshi: scarfed pinsir might be kinda interesting
  698. [17:24:13] Igirl45: The chat doesnt always have to be about team building
  699. [17:24:16] Aleccat: twave pig might be cool actually
  700. [17:24:17] Igirl45 was muted by DurzaOffTopic for 7 minutes. (refusal to stop after multiple warnings)
  701. [17:24:20] @pinktidal: aleccat why you parotting bro
  702. [17:24:35] #Xayahh: nah I think we need the consistency of Mago
  703. [17:24:36] Aleccat: because i think these are good ideas
  704. [17:24:43] #Xayahh: to deal with Fighting types
  705. [17:25:04] @pinktidal: yh
  706. [17:25:14] @pinktidal: its just hard to fit solid contorl in one slot
  707. [17:25:17] #Xayahh: what do you guys think about Scarf Mane?
  708. [17:25:19] @pinktidal: does vally get twave
  709. [17:25:32] +LightPinkYoshi: if we run scarf mane then we still dont really like e vire at all
  710. [17:25:44] Aleccat: vally gets twave
  711. [17:25:47] Aleccat: twave over toxic?
  712. [17:25:52] @pinktidal: scarf pour maybe?
  713. [17:25:54] #Xayahh: we're running SD > Toxic currently
  714. [17:25:59] %DurzaOffTopic: mfw are we
  715. [17:26:01] Aleccat: it's changing a lot
  716. [17:26:01] %DurzaOffTopic: bulky sd
  717. [17:26:01] #Xayahh: !code
  718. [17:26:01] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Murkrow @ Flyinium Z <br />Ability: Insomnia <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Brave Bird <br />- Sucker Punch <br />- Mirror Move <br />- Pursuit <br /><br />Torterra @ Occa Berry <br />Ability: Overgrow <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 Def &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Rock Polish <br />- Wood Hammer <br />- Earthquake <br />- Stone Edge <br /><br />Probopass @ Leftovers <br />Ability: Magnet Pull <br />EVs: 248 HP &#x2f; 176 SpD &#x2f; 84 Spe <br />Calm Nature <br />IVs: 0 Atk <br />- Volt Switch <br />- Earth Power <br />- Pain Split <br />- Stealth Rock <br /><br />Silvally-Fighting @ Fighting Memory <br />Ability: RKS System <br />EVs: 236 HP &#x2f; 88 Def &#x2f; 184 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Multi-Attack <br />- Defog <br />- U-turn <br />- Swords Dance <br /><br />Grumpig @ Mago Berry <br />Ability: Thick Fat <br />EVs: 252 HP &#x2f; 80 SpD &#x2f; 176 Spe <br />Timid Nature <br />IVs: 0 Atk <br />- Recycle <br />- Substitute <br />- Psychic <br />- Focus Blast <br /><br /></code></div></details></div>
  719. [17:26:02] %DurzaOffTopic: ?
  720. [17:26:06] +Ransei ❤: DurzaOfTopic
  721. [17:26:06] %DurzaOffTopic: not a fan
  722. [17:26:07] +LightPinkYoshi: tbh i dont like locking into volt switch on most mons. you lose so much momentum if your wrong
  723. [17:26:08] %DurzaOffTopic: of the set
  724. [17:26:17] +Ransei ❤: DurzaOffTopic
  725. [17:26:19] %DurzaOffTopic: Ransei
  726. [17:26:23] +Ransei ❤: Congratulations
  727. [17:26:27] %DurzaOffTopic: ?
  728. [17:26:32] +Ransei ❤: First mute ever
  729. [17:26:35] %DurzaOffTopic: pls
  730. [17:26:41] #Xayahh: not right now please
  731. [17:26:43] Tsareentje: How do we beat fast waters?
  732. [17:26:50] +Ransei ❤: Oh, I apologize
  733. [17:26:59] #Xayahh: our last slot should be used for that
  734. [17:27:09] +LightPinkYoshi: fast waters/ speed control?
  735. [17:27:23] #Xayahh: Scarf Mane kills everything we're scared of rn except EVire
  736. [17:27:30] Tsareentje: Yes
  737. [17:27:44] +LightPinkYoshi: leafeon would be another option
  738. [17:27:51] Tsareentje: Was about to say
  739. [17:28:20] @pinktidal: wet moonkey feelssolid
  740. [17:28:45] +LightPinkYoshi: that took me a sec to process
  741. [17:28:57] #Xayahh: /announce We need some Speed control in our final slot! nominate your options!
  742. [17:29:17] %DurzaOffTopic: im not a huge fan of sd silv
  743. [17:29:17] %DurzaOffTopic: btw
  744. [17:29:29] %DurzaOffTopic: its a bulky pivot it wants to preserve its hp
  745. [17:29:38] @pinktidal: still lose to B Slam vig
  746. [17:30:00] Tsareentje: Mane or rotom or leafeon or ugly
  747. [17:31:02] Tsareentje: Or maybe a fast water
  748. [17:31:05] Xayahh used /poll create What should our last Pokemon be?, Scarf Simipour, Scarf Manectric, Scarf Leafeon, Scarf Rotom-Frost
  749. [17:31:05] (A poll was started by Xayahh.)
  750. [17:31:06] Aleccat: i like leafeon because then we could get knock off coverage
  751. [17:31:20] %DurzaOffTopic: scarf leafeon isn't a thing?
  752. [17:31:22] Igirl45: IM FREE
  753. [17:31:23] %DurzaOffTopic: neither is simipour
  754. [17:31:26] @pinktidal: double grass feels bad
  755. [17:31:30] %DurzaOffTopic: behave, Igirl45
  756. [17:31:46] @pinktidal: scarf leaf is def a thing
  757. [17:31:46] Tsareentje: Rip mane
  758. [17:31:48] @pinktidal: its solid
  759. [17:31:51] @pinktidal: more tied
  760. [17:32:00] Tsareentje: Yes it hits very good speedtier
  761. [17:32:07] Aleccat: it's tied
  762. [17:32:09] %DurzaOffTopic: i like frosttom because it can trick
  763. [17:32:11] Igirl45: what am I doing I said I was free...
  764. [17:32:14] %DurzaOffTopic: as well as pivot
  765. [17:32:20] Tsareentje: I voted rotom too
  766. [17:32:27] +LightPinkYoshi: yeah i kinda wanna change my vote to rotom lol
  767. [17:32:27] %DurzaOffTopic: Igirl45, just a caution.
  768. [17:32:30] Igirl45: e.e
  769. [17:32:31] Igirl45 was banned from ZU by Skull Knight. (you're not contributing, leave)
  770. [17:32:37] %DurzaOffTopic: that works ig
  771. [17:32:46] %DurzaOffTopic: wait mfe
  772. [17:32:50] %DurzaOffTopic: Aleccat
  773. [17:32:51] @pinktidal: i still dont understand
  774. [17:33:00] @pinktidal: why we're running spdef on pig over def
  775. [17:33:07] Tsareentje: I voted rotom
  776. [17:33:10] @pinktidal: since probo is defensive
  777. [17:33:29] Tsareentje: For combusken?
  778. [17:34:09] @pinktidal: i mean it always checks special busken
  779. [17:34:14] @pinktidal: but not always physical
  780. [17:34:17] Tsareentje: Rotom is winning
  781. [17:34:27] Tsareentje: Shadow claw is scary
  782. [17:34:27] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">What should our last Pokemon be?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Scarf Simipour</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:75px"></span><small>&nbsp;25%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Scarf Manectric</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Scarf Leafeon</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:75px"></span><small>&nbsp;25%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Scarf Rotom-Frost</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:150px"></span><small>&nbsp;50%</small></div></div>
  783. [17:34:27] (The poll was ended by Xayahh.)
  784. [17:34:42] #Xayahh: !code
  785. [17:34:42] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Rotom-Frost @ Choice Scarf &#x2f; Choice Specs<br />Ability: Levitate<br />EVs: 252 SpA &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe<br />Timid Nature<br />- Blizzard<br />- Volt Switch<br />- Thunderbolt<br />- Trick</code></div></details></div>
  786. [17:34:45] #Xayahh: wait
  787. [17:34:48] #Xayahh: oops
  788. [17:34:53] #Xayahh: !code
  789. [17:34:53] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Rotom-Frost @ Choice Scarf<br />Ability: Levitate<br />EVs: 252 SpA &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe<br />Timid Nature<br />- Blizzard<br />- Volt Switch<br />- Thunderbolt<br />- Trick</code></div></details></div>
  790. [17:35:24] Tsareentje: Trick is big advantage for this team too
  791. [17:35:28] #Diagnostic: /announce We will be doing team optimization after we conclude our 6 members and take into account current team weaknesses. Don't fret on current sets or nomination decisions.
  792. [17:35:43] +LightPinkYoshi: yeah trick really is a deciding factor on this one
  793. [17:36:06] #Xayahh: !code
  794. [17:36:06] |html|<div class="infobox"><details><summary>See code...</summary><div class="chat"><code style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table">Murkrow @ Flyinium Z <br />Ability: Insomnia <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Brave Bird <br />- Sucker Punch <br />- Mirror Move <br />- Pursuit <br /><br />Torterra @ Occa Berry <br />Ability: Overgrow <br />EVs: 252 Atk &#x2f; 4 Def &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Rock Polish <br />- Wood Hammer <br />- Earthquake <br />- Stone Edge <br /><br />Probopass @ Leftovers <br />Ability: Magnet Pull <br />EVs: 248 HP &#x2f; 176 SpD &#x2f; 84 Spe <br />Calm Nature <br />IVs: 0 Atk <br />- Volt Switch <br />- Earth Power <br />- Pain Split <br />- Stealth Rock <br /><br />Silvally-Fighting @ Fighting Memory <br />Ability: RKS System <br />EVs: 236 HP &#x2f; 88 Def &#x2f; 184 Spe <br />Jolly Nature <br />- Multi-Attack <br />- Defog <br />- U-turn <br />- Swords Dance <br /><br />Grumpig @ Mago Berry <br />Ability: Thick Fat <br />EVs: 252 HP &#x2f; 80 SpD &#x2f; 176 Spe <br />Timid Nature <br />IVs: 0 Atk <br />- Recycle <br />- Substitute <br />- Psychic <br />- Focus Blast <br /><br />Rotom-Frost @ Choice Scarf <br />Ability: Levitate <br />EVs: 252 SpA &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe <br />Timid Nature <br />- Blizzard <br />- Volt Switch <br />- Thunderbolt <br />- Trick </code></div></details></div>
  795. [17:36:13] #Xayahh: here's what the team looks like right now!
  796. [17:36:33] #Xayahh: now we go into the optimization stage, which will be led more by Diagnostic
  797. [17:36:37] @pinktidal: looks a lil slow but pretty cool otherwise
  798. [17:37:02] +LightPinkYoshi: our only priority being sucker punch is a little scary
  799. [17:37:11] Tsareentje: ^
  800. [17:37:19] Tsareentje: The speeds are decent enough
  801. [17:37:48] Tsareentje: But I am a slow player, hihi
  802. [17:37:55] +LightPinkYoshi: i play exclusively fast lol
  803. [17:38:30] +LightPinkYoshi: winning with this team is going to almost require one of the set up sweepers working
  804. [17:39:07] Tsareentje: Checking tort is pretty hard actually
  805. [17:39:12] Tsareentje: cant say about murk
  806. [17:39:15] Tsareentje: never used it
  807. [17:39:27] #Diagnostic: Alright. First things first, we should be asking ourselves what type of threats does our team lose against so far.
  808. [17:40:04] Tsareentje: Burns are scary for this team
  809. [17:40:15] z3ll1: is it just me or do all workshops end up with tort grumpig and frosttom?
  810. [17:40:35] Tsareentje: They are just too useful
  811. [17:40:56] z3ll1: yeah but it gets boring
  812. [17:41:02] #Diagnostic: We have a nice pivoting core in Fightvally + Probopass + Rotom-Frost along with an offensive core that attempts to remove threats such as Lycanroc and Rotom-Frost so that Murkrow can function.
  813. [17:41:21] SergioRules: lycanroc does a number since both resists are bopped by either one of the coverage moves it runs
  814. [17:41:30] SergioRules: being drill run vs fire fang
  815. [17:41:51] SergioRules: wait tort is occa nvm
  816. [17:41:53] #Diagnostic: And z3ll, that happens when role compression is easy and the mon is ranked high on the VR.
  817. [17:42:00] SergioRules: I thought it was still yache
  818. [17:42:15] Tsareentje: Nono we are ok against lycam
  819. [17:42:17] +LightPinkYoshi: +2 drill run only does 39-46 vs our silv fighting spread
  820. [17:43:24] #Diagnostic: If anyone thinks that we should have any changes, please PM me one nomination and tell me what we need to check.
  821. [17:44:06] Tsareentje: Like someone said be fore bouff can really threaten this team
  822. [17:44:11] Tsareentje: Before
  823. [17:44:24] #Diagnostic: A poll will be brought up for a group consensus after the PM's.
  824. [17:44:54] Tsareentje: And hp fighting chatot is a problem too
  825. [17:44:57] igirl45 was unbanned from ZU by Kalalokki.
  826. [17:44:59] SergioRules: yeah bouf check is wearing it down with something then picking it up with fightvally
  827. [17:45:43] +LightPinkYoshi: this team is also not a fan at all of banded granbull
  828. [17:46:13] #Diagnostic: This is SpD Probopass, chatot is not that bad even with HP coverage against probo.
  829. [17:47:58] #Diagnostic: /announce Any other issues you think we need to cover? Does this team have a handle versus popular playstyles like Rain, Z-Lycanroc cores, and stall?
  830. [17:48:17] @pinktidal: rain is rough
  831. [17:48:22] +LightPinkYoshi: true
  832. [17:48:24] #Diagnostic: You need to have that mentality when QCing your team composition.
  833. [17:48:28] @pinktidal: lycan isnt a huge threat
  834. [17:48:35] +LightPinkYoshi: stall and z lycanrock seems pretty alright
  835. [17:48:35] @pinktidal: multiple checks
  836. [17:48:46] Tsareentje: This team is good enough against stall
  837. [17:49:18] +LightPinkYoshi: my teambuilding ends up just saying ok ill try to beat everything but stall and just insta quit vs that -_-
  838. [17:49:20] +LightPinkYoshi: its a problem
  839. [17:49:26] @pinktidal: still think frost is bad though
  840. [17:51:16] +LightPinkYoshi: scarf alola-chu is a possibility to give us a better rain matchup but not having trick + the overall mediocrity of the set outside of vs rain hurts
  841. [17:51:20] #Diagnostic: /announce Let's go over how our team fares against the S rank through A- VR list and configure our team around dealing with those common threats. Anyone wants to start?
  842. [17:51:27] @pinktidal: we dont have alola chu
  843. [17:51:30] #Diagnostic: There's no Alolachu in ZU.
  844. [17:51:37] +LightPinkYoshi: *normal chu
  845. [17:51:38] +LightPinkYoshi: my b
  846. [17:52:30] +LightPinkYoshi: Our 2 set up mons hate rotom-F but we incorporated two common checks in grumpig and probo to deal with that, fridge is something that needs to die before a sweep can start tho
  847. [17:52:31] #Diagnostic: Manectric has switcheroo and pressures rain.
  848. [17:52:41] Tsareentje: Yea mane is better then
  849. [17:53:04] +LightPinkYoshi: what are you saccing for switcheroo then, hp grass id assume?
  850. [17:53:17] @pinktidal: yh
  851. [17:53:24] @pinktidal: always need 2 stab and overheat
  852. [17:53:35] Tsareentje: It is no pu here so no gastro for is
  853. [17:53:42] Tsareentje: And no lanturn
  854. [17:53:52] Tsareentje: So hp grass is less needed
  855. [17:53:55] @pinktidal: i mean golem and chinch wall
  856. [17:54:29] Tsareentje: Y
  857. [17:54:46] +LightPinkYoshi: speaking of golem, our best answer to it is one of our win cons so it can be a problem if played right
  858. [17:56:03] #Diagnostic: This team also hates Sub Salac Simipour and other offensive threats that can abuse this composition. We also don't fare well versus HO teams such as Trick Room / Weather.
  859. [17:56:34] @pinktidal: scarf pour
  860. [17:56:37] @pinktidal: best mon
  861. [17:56:49] @pinktidal: TR doesnt look too bad
  862. [17:56:57] @pinktidal: but rain is definetly a bitch
  863. [17:57:18] Tsareentje: Rain checking in a team is closely impossible
  864. [17:57:40] Tsareentje: The power is just so hard to check
  865. [17:57:43] +LightPinkYoshi: our answers to z-me first pinsir are entirely dependant on the move slots it chooses
  866. [17:57:45] #Diagnostic: We have nearly 0 checks to Wishiwashi under TR. See a common theme? We have no offensive water checks which run through our core.
  867. [17:57:47] z3ll1: poliwrath does it pretty well
  868. [17:58:18] #Diagnostic: Ice Beam Poliwrath annoys our team too.
  869. [17:58:32] +LightPinkYoshi: a common theme in all these threats is that poliwrath seems to do pretty well vs them
  870. [17:59:11] z3ll1: as i suggested: use special offensive poli
  871. [17:59:18] z3ll1: also adds another prio user
  872. [17:59:23] #Diagnostic: So where would we be able to substitute poliwrath for in this team?
  873. [18:00:14] #Diagnostic: /announce Murkrow is what the team is centered around and cannot be removed in this composition.
  874. [18:00:32] z3ll1: it's hard to decide
  875. [18:00:34] Tsareentje: We cant really swap something easily
  876. [18:00:45] @pinktidal: i think the team is solid as is]
  877. [18:01:11] z3ll1: maybe swap frosttom for manectric and and vally/grump for poli
  878. [18:01:41] Tsareentje: Losing a defogger is hard
  879. [18:01:44] #Diagnostic: So if the team cannot shift out their members due to role viability, do we agree that the team is done and accept the teams current weaknesses?
  880. [18:01:54] Tsareentje: Yea
  881. [18:02:19] +LightPinkYoshi: keep in mind that everyone is free to mak
  882. [18:02:24] +LightPinkYoshi: *make changes as they want to
  883. [18:03:18] z3ll1: hm i think i'll create my own team, murkrow is a nice mon
  884. [18:03:39] Diagnostic used /poll create Is this team done and do we accept the current weaknesses of this team?, Yes, No
  885. [18:03:39] (A poll was started by Diagnostic.)
  886. [18:03:59] Tsareentje: I dont use murk because I am in love with vullaby
  887. [18:04:07] Tsareentje: c:
  888. [18:04:50] The poll timer was turned on: the poll will end in 5 minute(s).
  889. [18:04:50] (The poll timer was set to 5 minute(s) by Diagnostic.)
  890. [18:05:48] #Diagnostic: Please answer the poll before it ends so we can have a consensus on what to do next.
  891. [18:07:23] Tsareentje: Big thanks to you, diagnostic :]
  892. [18:08:15] #Diagnostic: Thank you, this couldn't have been done without the assistance of everyone who participated so thank you all.
  893. [18:08:41] @pinktidal: was fun
  894. [18:08:48] Tsareentje: Finally I could participate a workshop
  895. [18:09:50] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Is this team done and do we accept the current weaknesses of this team?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Yes</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:201px"></span><small>&nbsp;67%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>No</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:99px"></span><small>&nbsp;33%</small></div></div>
  896. [18:10:12] %DurzaOffTopic: Diagnostic
  897. [18:10:24] %DurzaOffTopic: do we have a final import of the team
  898. [18:10:44] Tsareentje: Who is going to try
  899. [18:10:55] Tsareentje: Zu is still on ladder right
  900. [18:11:02] %DurzaOffTopic: for one more day
  901. [18:11:03] %DurzaOffTopic: yes
  902. [18:11:03] #Diagnostic: /announce With that poll, we will be concluding the event and have properly made a Murkrow-based sample composition. Thank you to everyone who attended this workshop today and the staff who helped host this.
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