[11:46] PKMNTrainerKino: Who was the "genius" behind banning salamence?
[11:46] DaddyButteryCables: lie
[11:46] DaddyButteryCables: s
[11:48] PKMNTrainerKino: Seriously I would really like to know.
[11:48] +Low Ladder Heroes: that would be our tiering leaders, uu council and the uu voters
[11:48] PKMNTrainerKino: Well I'm here to overturn that vote.
[11:48] DaddyButteryCables: im not!
[11:49] +PS Amaroq: I don't think you'll have much success overturning that vote
[11:49] Pokelearner24882: whew, that was a tough battle
[11:49] PKMNTrainerKino: Salamence isnt a hard pokemon to counter, and Smogon is known for being 70% salt when it comes to sudden tier changes.
[11:49] @GrilledClawitzer: We had this mon for 2 years
[11:49] @GrilledClawitzer: And these people who voted could get reqs with a good gxe
[11:49] @GrilledClawitzer: Meanwhile, you are here with like 35 gxe and 1019 elo trying to tell everyone they're wrong
[11:49] Pokelearner24882: so anybody see any weaknesses with my team?
[11:49] @GrilledClawitzer: So please, if you have any actual arguments, feel free to share them on the forums in the NP thread
[11:50] PKMNTrainerKino: Okay first off what even is gxe and how is that relevant
[11:50] DaddyButteryCables: ,
[11:50] ouestnapty: xd
[11:50] @GrilledClawitzer: It's your chance to win a battle when matched up against a random person on the ladder
[11:50] Pokelearner24882: Im 18 and 5
[11:50] PKMNTrainerKino: Okay, and im supposed to care about my stats in a simulation?
[11:51] Pokelearner24882: my gxe is 68.7 holy crap
[11:51] %Aquadext: you know what is relevant right now
[11:51] @GrilledClawitzer: The people who voted all had 75gxe or higher, most of them above 80
[11:51] %Aquadext: monotype random battles
[11:51] Pokelearner24882: I need to calm down
[11:51] %Aquadext: .etour monotyperandombattle
Monotype Random Battle Single Elimination Tournament created.
The tournament will automatically start in 2 minutes.
[11:51] *Scrappie: Good luck to all players
The tournament's automatic disqualify timer has been set to 2 minutes.
Aquadext, BoyBeNice, ouestnapty and Tripledog joined the tournament.
[11:51] +PS Amaroq: I hate Aquadext
odcasa, Bhris Brown, Pokelearner24882 and FlameTornado1 joined the tournament.
[11:51] +earth: same
Jrnouwens, Godfather 4 and Tragically Hip joined the tournament.
[11:51] +Low Ladder Heroes: who doesnt
[11:51] %Aquadext: I don't even know you guys
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[11:51] %Cyndequil ♥: i like aquadext
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[11:51] %Aquadext: thanks c:
[11:51] PKMNTrainerKino: Salamence isnt hard to counter, all it takes is one ice type.
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[11:51] DaddyButteryCables: Cyndequil do you even math
[11:51] %Cyndequil ♥: yeah
[11:51] +PS Amaroq: I like Aquadext when he doesn't start monotype randbats tours
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[11:51] %Aquadext: PKMNTrainerKino I suggest you drop the argument before it gets bad
[11:51] %Cyndequil ♥: wonder what coverage must be like
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[11:52] Pokelearner24882: http://pastebin.com/3WhDDpg7 this is a pastebin of my team if you guys want to use it or critique it
[11:52] PKMNTrainerKino: Aquadext No, the whole reason I came here was to argue against the vote.
[11:52] %Aquadext: PS Amaroq
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[11:52] %Aquadext: it's my only purpose here
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[11:52] DaSpoofy: this is true
[11:52] +PS Amaroq: I have no idea why you think such an argument would be successful
[11:52] +PS Amaroq: but you have fun with that
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[11:52] manytalents: :o
[11:53] +Low Ladder Heroes: PKMNTrainerKino, I suggest you to read the arguments in the thread
[11:53] +Low Ladder Heroes: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-oras-uu-stage-7-2-asteroid.3576546/
[11:54] PKMNTrainerKino: Simple, I've been playing Pokemon for 13 years and Salamence was never a huge threat to my team. But since I lost my wallbreaker in a bet ive been looking for a new one and Salamence fit the slot pretty well.
[11:55] +RowDog: Is your team the only team though?
[11:55] +PS Amaroq: ?_?
[11:55] @Eyan: if you've been using the same team for 13 years
[11:55] @Eyan: I commend you
[11:55] DaSpoofy: lol
[11:55] +RowDog: Just because it is "not a threat to my team" does not make it a valid argument
[11:55] +RowDog: If you want a wallbreaker just use Haxorus
[11:55] +RowDog: !dt Haxorus
UU
HaxorusDragonRivalry
Mold BreakerUnnerveHP
76Atk
147Def
90SpA
60SpD
70Spe
97BST
540
Dex#: 612 |  Gen: 5 |  Height: 1.8 m |  Weight: 105.5 kg (100 BP) |  Dex Colour: Yellow |  Egg Group(s): Monster, Dragon |  Does Not Evolve
[11:56] PKMNTrainerKino: Haxorus lacks the bulk Salamence does despite a 4x weakness to ice.
[11:56] Hydreigon: does haxorus have wings though
[11:56] manytalents: no
[11:56] %Cyndequil ♥: congrats man
[11:56] %Cyndequil ♥: you've built a team that counters mence
[11:56] manytalents: retorical questions XD
[11:56] %Cyndequil ♥: does that mean it's healthy?
[11:56] %Cyndequil ♥: no
[11:56] +RowDog: Then idk, be hipster and run Physical Hydreigon
[11:58] PKMNTrainerKino: Eyan I've had my team of Metagross, Umbreon, Rotom-Heat, Mega Swampert and Nidoking for a while, my last wallbreaker was Noivern but I bet him in a battle and lost when we were both on last pokemon.
[11:58] PKMNTrainerKino: Random critical hit.
[11:59] DaddyButteryCables: what
[11:59] +PS Amaroq: is this your in-game team or something
[11:59] PKMNTrainerKino: Yep
[11:59] @Eyan: that explains a lot
[11:59] PKMNTrainerKino: Or at least it was.
[12:00] PKMNTrainerKino: Salamence was my replacement wallbreaker after a friend recommended it to me.
[12:00] %Aquadext: fairy monotype is broken
[12:00] @Eyan: You could try changing the other members to fit something else or just build a new team altogether
[12:00] +PS Amaroq: I'll be honest: the state of your in-game team has no bearing on Smogon's tiering process
[12:00] PKMNTrainerKino: Considering i went through the hard work of chain breeding for the perfect one I possess now I dont find it fair that it's being moved up a tier just as I get back into the UU scene
[12:01] @Eyan: I mean, how much work you put in has literally no relevance to this
[12:01] @Eyan: absolutely none
[12:01] +PS Amaroq: since we play on a simulator where everything is available with the click of a button, that doesn't matter at all
Aquadext has won the match 5 - 5 against Ununhexium.
[12:02] PKMNTrainerKino: So I could essentially enter a UU tournament in game with my Salamence and nobody would care?
[12:02] CinnaDomenici: @PKMNTrainerKino : you mean you play on cartridge with your friends by smogon rules ?
[12:02] PKMNTrainerKino: Yes, considering most of the tournaments we would go to followed Smogon rules I had to.
[12:02] +PS Amaroq: Smogon has no control over what you play on cartridge
[12:03] PKMNTrainerKino: Ah, well then that's fantastic to know how little power they truly possess.
[12:03] +PS Amaroq: if you agree to abide by the site's rules in a 3rd-party tournament, that's up to you
[12:03] PKMNTrainerKino: Then I may i have to re-organize my team here, Chesnaught isnt working and I think i should dump Metagross
[12:03] %Cyndequil ♥: PKMNTrainerKino can you please stop blabbering on about whatever it is your talking about. it's unproductive and has literally no value whatsoever
[12:04] CinnaDomenici: I mean you shouldn'ty be arguing with smogon but with the cartridge trounament organizer about why they follow smogon rules
[12:04] BIAF: The power is going to your head
[12:04] flawless janitor: singles 6v6 isn't nintendo's "main format", and they do not really care about tiering and balancing once the games are out
[12:04] BIAF: Cynde you used to be so nice e_e
[12:04] %Cyndequil ♥: i'm still nice
[12:04] PKMNTrainerKino: Cyndequil We're all on a website talking about Pokemon, productivity doesnt seem like a factor here.
[12:04] +PS Amaroq: when was cynde nice lol
[12:04] BIAF: fair
[12:04] +PS Amaroq: are you sure you're not a little confused
[12:04] %Cyndequil ♥: wth amaroq :[
[12:05] +PS Amaroq: ur mean
[12:05] +PS Amaroq: wouldn't teach me how to divide by 16
[12:05] %Cyndequil ♥: STOP
[12:05] BIAF: You were only promoted to take one player away from #teamvoice
[12:05] PKMNTrainerKino: Also is something bugged? I thought Sheer Force nulified the life drain effects of life orb.
[12:05] @GrilledClawitzer: okay, I don't even care anymore. We are not talking about dividing numbers or the Salamence ban anymore. Any further mention will earn at least a mute.
[12:05] BIAF: Only on moves that SF affects PKMNTrainerKino
[12:05] %Cyndequil ♥: i love you gc
[12:06] BIAF: So there would be no LO recoil on TBolt but there would be on something like tackle
[12:06] PKMNTrainerKino: But my nidoking has Sludge Wave, Earth Power, Ice Beam and Tbolt
[12:06] PKMNTrainerKino: Yet its still losing HP to the LO
[12:06] BIAF: Are you sure it's Sheer Force?
[12:06] PKMNTrainerKino: Yeah
[12:06] BIAF: Check again
[12:06] PKMNTrainerKino: It says Sheer Force.
[12:07] PKMNTrainerKino: I wouldnt put Posion Point on it unless it was a physical sweeper
[12:07] BIAF: Wait cynde are you playing for auth?
[12:07] %Cyndequil ♥: yes
[12:07] %Cyndequil ♥: i cant go against watfor
[12:07] %Cyndequil ♥: it's too hard
[12:07] GamerPotato: what set would you go for on a dragalge?
[12:07] +PS Amaroq: you wouldn't put poison point on it at all
[12:07] %Aquadext: oh is watfor participating
[12:07] Mattman2016: Try Deleting the nicking and adding another one with the exact same move set and everything
[12:07] PKMNTrainerKino: No clue, I dont use dragalge
[12:07] %Cyndequil ♥: no
[12:07] %Cyndequil ♥: but he's auth so i want to be on his team
[12:07] %Aquadext: sad
[12:07] +PS Amaroq: traitor
[12:07] +RowDog: I was about to say
[12:08] +RowDog: watfor playing
[12:08] PKMNTrainerKino: But im starting to lose momentum and im considering replacing either rotom heat or chesnaught
[12:08] +RowDog: I'd wanna see that
[12:08] +PS Amaroq: you left the burden of destroying user: Shiba on my shoulders
[12:09] %Aquadext: Man I have that feeling that
[12:09] %Aquadext: we're going to get destroyed
[12:09] GamerPotato: what do you guys think of the team: Metagross, Conkeldurr, Florges, Mega swampert, Dragalge, and Chandelure
[12:09] +PS Amaroq: dw aquadext I'm gonna drop out after crushing shiba, so auth has a chance
[12:09] %Cyndequil ♥: omfuga dodmen tonyflygon hairy toenail and shakeitup in the opposing team
BoyBeNice has won the match 6 - 6 against Godfather 4.
[12:09] %Cyndequil ♥: what could go wrong
[12:09] %Aquadext: and teal
[12:10] %Aquadext: ,
[12:10] %Cyndequil ♥: and teal
[12:10] %Cyndequil ♥: and christo
[12:10] +RowDog: what is the Florges set GamerPotato?
[12:10] PKMNTrainerKino: What are viable replacements for chesnaught and rotom heat.
[12:10] PKMNTrainerKino: I think my weakness policy setup works pretty well on Metagross
[12:10] GamerPotato: wish, Protect, Moonblast, Aromatherapy
[12:10] GamerPotato: leftovers
[12:10] %Cyndequil ♥: if you aren't running synthesis you should be running sylveon
[12:10] +RowDog: I'd probs recommend Sylveon instead
[12:10] RomanG: i think i just battled someone with a full team of choice scarf echoed voice users
[12:10] +RowDog: yeah
[12:10] PKMNTrainerKino: I thought Sylveon was banned to OU
[12:10] %Cyndequil ♥: evidently not
[12:10] +RowDog: nope
[12:11] PKMNTrainerKino: When was it changed?
[12:11] +RowDog: !dt Sylveon
UU
SylveonFairyCute CharmPixilateHP
95Atk
65Def
65SpA
110SpD
130Spe
60BST
525
Dex#: 700 |  Gen: 6 |  Height: 1 m |  Weight: 23.5 kg (40 BP) |  Dex Colour: Pink |  Egg Group(s): Field |  Does Not Evolve
[12:11] GamerPotato: thanks, anything else
[12:11] +PS Amaroq: Sylveon dropped to UU because its usage dropped below the cutoff in OU
[12:11] +RowDog: that's the only thing that I can tell from a glance
[12:11] +RowDog: how long has Sylv been in the tier now?
[12:11] PKMNTrainerKino: This is interesting, I could bring back my pixelate hyper voice sylv
[12:11] GamerPotato: well it helps anyway, cheers
[12:12] +RowDog: and when did Gyara drop?
[12:12] +RowDog: because I'm trying to figure out how old my team is
[12:12] +RowDog: <_<
[12:12] PKMNTrainerKino: I've already got Heal Bell on Umbreon, any suggestions for sylveon?
[12:12] %Aquadext: didn't gyara drop 3 months before sylv
[12:12] Nightingales♥: hi, i'm back
[12:12] +RowDog: probs
[12:12] RomanG: sorry I'm new here, what did sylveon have to compete with in OU? Clef?
Aquadext has lost the match 0 - 2 against Jrnouwens.
[12:13] GamerPotato: Heal bell, Protect, Wish, and then hyper voice boosted by pixilate?
[12:13] +RowDog: I'd say mainly Clef yeah
[12:13] GamerPotato: on the sylv
[12:13] +PS Amaroq: mainly clef
[12:13] +RowDog: yep GamerPotato :)
[12:13] GamerPotato: then id probably just run leftovers
[12:13] PKMNTrainerKino: Heal Bell is already on my Umbreon
[12:13] GamerPotato: okay, thanks alot
[12:13] +PS Amaroq: when most teams wanted a fairy they'd pick clef over sylv for the utility
[12:13] +RowDog: Unless you were running Specs Sylv
[12:13] +RowDog: Clef generally outclassed with its better defensive abilities
[12:14] GamerPotato: considering im mainly using it as a support then i see no point
[12:14] PKMNTrainerKino: My Umbreon runs Foul Play, Toxic, Moonlight, and Heal Bell
[12:14] GamerPotato: pixilate already boosts hyper voice and it has a naturally okay SpA
[12:14] +RowDog: Oh yeah, that was in reference to sylv in OU
[12:14] RomanG: and specs probably by m-gardevoir
[12:14] +RowDog: versus Clef
[12:15] +RowDog: depends if you had the Mega-slot already filled RomanG
[12:15] PKMNTrainerKino: If only Sylveon could learn Moonlight
[12:15] GamerPotato: shiny sylv looks disgusting
[12:15] +RowDog: but M-Garde would've given it competition yeah
[12:15] GamerPotato: shiny chand is probs one of my avourites
[12:15] RomanG: yeah but i mean its not a bad mon for the mega slot either way....anyways thanks dont want to derail from UU discussion
[12:15] Godfather 4: why cannot heatran drop to UU
[12:15] PKMNTrainerKino: Oh now i remember
[12:15] PKMNTrainerKino: I always put Shadow Ball on Sylveon
[12:15] RomanG: heatran!?
[12:16] +PS Amaroq: because it's used so much in OU
[12:16] Godfather 4: so many bulky waters
[12:16] manytalents: wow
[12:16] Godfather 4: and conk is here
[12:16] +PS Amaroq: tiering is based on usage
[12:16] RomanG: i dont think you want heatran here
[12:16] +PS Amaroq: if it passes OU's usage threshold, it's not dropping
[12:16] PKMNTrainerKino: Is it a bad idea to have 2 heal bell mons or is there a better 4th option for Sylveon
[12:17] RomanG: why not run specs if you already have a cleric
[12:17] Godfather 4: RomanG, i just do want sylveon here
[12:17] PKMNTrainerKino: I usually put leftovers but ok
[12:17] Godfather 4: *dont
[12:17] Nightingales♥: i still think we should look at hydreigon first.
[12:17] RomanG: i can understand that sentiment
[12:18] PKMNTrainerKino: What's wrong with hydreigon?
[12:18] Godfather 4: ^
[12:18] %Aquadext: I just lost flying vs fighting
[12:18] %Aquadext: hate myself
[12:18] RomanG: hydreigon would be outclassed in OU
[12:18] Godfather 4: i lost bc i went to bathroom dude
[12:18] Nightingales♥: that's not how tiering or bans work.
[12:18] Nightingales♥: at all.
[12:18] PKMNTrainerKino: What hidden power is better on Sylveon, fire or ground?
[12:18] RomanG: i didnt say they did
[12:18] %Cyndequil ♥: PKMNTrainerKino
[12:18] %Cyndequil ♥: read the np thread
[12:19] GamerPotato: depends on your team and what coverage i suppose
[12:19] RomanG: but furthermore i dont think its that centralizing here
[12:19] Nightingales♥: Also, most of it is because hydreigon picks and chooses what it wants to beat, and on top of already-nice typing defensively and offensively, it is never dead weight because if it gets in, it immediately is a problem
[12:19] Nightingales♥: mostly paraphrasing there, it's too early for me to think and explain.
[12:20] PKMNTrainerKino: Alright if I can use Sylveon then thats cool, now I just need a replacement for rotom heat