Huston - Today at 00:57
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-685253159 Thoughts on this btw? Me vs maya
Disaster Area - Today at 00:58
hm turn 4 was interesting. Not sure I'd tbolt there;
starmie is likely to be scared out so probably starmie comes in
either ice beam to try and get a freeze & keep tbolt hidden
or double back to zam which is also fine vs both chansey & starmie
definitely recommend trying to, when u use ice beam + x on chansey
keeping x hidden as long as u can generally speaking
that means boltbeam, ice beam + sing, ice beam + counter
it makes sing & counter much more effective when u do choose to use them bc ur opponent has to play around the possibility of them even when ur not using them
Huston - Today at 01:00
True
Disaster Area - Today at 01:00
and even when u use sing/counter they have to play around the threat of tbolt
like in that play
it's more of a macro-level prediction & information control play; what u did is definitely not an objective bad or deeply suboptimal play
Huston - Today at 01:01
Ah
Disaster Area - Today at 01:03
hmm turn 5 is another turn where there's a bunch of different lines
zam is a good line to pressure chansey but at the same time just the raw ice beam is an option too
it's a question of whether or not you want to protect chansey from paralysis at that point, and how well you can handle opposing lax
presumably you have a reflect lax or a golem or something
to handle lax
given you're boltbeam chansey
turn 6 the lax switch is extremely telegraphed
Huston - Today at 01:04
I had 4 attacks lax
Disaster Area - Today at 01:04
so if you went thunder wave then that would be a great prediction play and it's the sort of play I make all the time
ice beam is also sort of okay especially if your opponent is aware of the possibility of you thunder waving there
because of the potential to freeze and the potential of chansey staying in
so yea lax comes in and it's difficult to know exactly the right play there cos lax does just put pressure on you there. If you had twaved the lax as it comes in then it would have been easier to handle. Egg into lax bslam is not a bad play but if you had hidden thunderbolt then there's a chance that would have been earthquake
oh
the lax eq'd
lol
that's strange... i guess she was looking out for the possibility of a rock switch
which makes some sense but
if I were maya i would have just bslammed
cos even if a rock comes in well para on them is great anyway
maybe it suggests it's more likely she has an electric last but you can easily read too much into it, it could have just been a misplay
the sleep powder isn't a horrible play for sure, it does force lax out... it's an interesting scenario to come into in a tour situation however. Top level players often anticipate a player using psychic there instead in order to put pressure on the sleep absorber switching in and body slam in that scenario. Against a player who's not that level though I'd probably just psychic rather than sleep powdering: the sleep absorber (in this case, starmie) switching in is also incredibly telegraphed.
the next turn you kinda have to go chansey next turn. Zam is kind of an option too but maya could very easily double to lax there and chansey is less weak to lax than zam
Both of them are good choices for spreading paralysis too but chansey is the only mon that can also threaten freezing
but yea i would go chansey, then twave anticipating lax to switch in again to put pressure on chansey
And she does double to lax
and you do the right thing in going chansey
I would probably twave just cos u need to do something to slow down the lax, otherwise it can keep doing this
Huston - Today at 01:11
Yeah
Disaster Area - Today at 01:11
maya earthquakes again :thinking: makes it much more likely she has a zapdos/jolteon
the egg play works out then because of that
and makes egg probably more expendable anyway because it's unlikely your opp has a rock
the HP amount that makes a diff then is the 45-55% range because that's tauros hbeam range
keeping outside of that range can be useful
the double to chansey is good & aggressive
in a game like this where your opponent has paralyzed your chansey and you've not paralyzed hers, you need to make some sort of sensible but aggressive plays
good thunder wave :thumbsup:
and I agree w the lax switch too
it's hard to say what's the best play after tho, there's a lot of things to consider
that chansey is probably reflect given how she just straight up para'd your chansey
so probably what maya is doing is going into chansey
at the same time, lax staying in and doing smth like counter is something to consider
maybe doubling to chansey again and firing off an ice beam, chipping the lax & scaring out the chansey with the thread w ice beam again
would be an option
but it's hard to say
bslamming is probs pretty safe but also doesn't really do much
ok, lax on lax action, interesting
yea maya definitely misplayed i think
not going into chansey, cos trading laxes is disadvantageous for her
cos your chansey is then much harder to pressure
whilst since hers is unparalyzed you can threaten it with your chansey
the egg follow up is fine, forces in starmie which is advantageous for you cos it lets u bring in chansey w/o being scared by like a rock or tauros or something
at the same time like I guess zapdos is something to have been worried about there
Huston - Today at 01:18
Yep
Disaster Area - Today at 01:19
and she does reveal zapdos
Huston - Today at 01:19
Iirc I was using zap as my wincon eventually
Disaster Area - Today at 01:19
going to your own zapdos there is an interesting choice
i think i agree with it
trading zapdos again helps u take out stuff that can beat your chansey
don't know about going zam but that's an interesting alternative line but i think
i would have just done zap on zap
since u risk losing zam rather than just having the raw trade... I guess zapdos is better vs tauros & a little better vs starmie, but zam is reliable and have a greater risk of things just not being like even in this scenario
i guess the flipside is tho if u lose the zapdos ditto and hes got a +2 spe zapdos on the side then whatever u finish it off with
chansey or zam or whatever
his tauros comes in to finish that off
so idk it's an interesting choice, I'm not sure it's the right one and it's not what I'd do but it's not an awful play either i think
hm interesting she switches out
idt i would do that if i were her
Huston - Today at 01:22
True
Disaster Area - Today at 01:22
best to just go IN with zapdos i think really
Huston - Today at 01:22
I wouldn’t have either
Disaster Area - Today at 01:22
yea i think if u keep playing like this u should be favoured to win this game
the chansey switch is great
i would have ice beamed w chansey
better way to keep pressure up, chansey is out of range of tauros HB at 72% barring high rolls
so better just to stay aggressive imo
at the same time it's not like it's a bad play, just I prefer being a bit more aggressive
and think that healing chansey up when ur outta range of tauros hbeam is in general not worth it in my opinion
u misplayed when u para'd her chansey
i think
u were fine just playing out the status advantage there
imo
Huston - Today at 01:25
Yeah prob
Disaster Area - Today at 01:26
does mean doing that u gotta go an alternative line of trying to beat up chansey w alakazam but that's pretty tricky when he still has starmie and egg
playing the zap ditto then again is fine
and i agree with
woulda just gone for the KO against zap
instead of the agility
probs
idk it's sorta like
well
if u both agility vs if neither of u
on the one hand if u win the ditto zap can do damage afterwards
if u lose the ditto tho maya's zap can do damage where before it couldnt and then tauros can follow up on that
idk i guess it's a case of if u feel far enough behind u go for it
cos it's like
higher risk higher reward
Huston - Today at 01:29
Well zap looked like it had sweep potential and then I could do a ton of damage if not win outright with it
Disaster Area - Today at 01:29
i mean its not like its bad necessarily
Huston - Today at 01:29
If I agility to get speed and not just take 1 kill
Disaster Area - Today at 01:29
it's just a case of
higher risk higher reward
than just tbolting
ur zap cant do as much damage
nor can hers(edited)
if u just go tbolt
Huston - Today at 01:30
True
Disaster Area - Today at 01:31
but yea idk right thing to do was probably just tbolting, and if u had not para'd chansey
then ud be in a really strong position
taking that para on tauros is baaaaad
straight after that maya's tauros can completely sweep u
Huston - Today at 01:33
Yeah I fucjed up there
Disaster Area - Today at 01:33
she misplayed not hyper beaming your chansey
then somehow i see u win overall
guess maya must have misplayed further and u capitalised on it
well, I think u learnt a lil from this, about status management & that bit about information management