Tribalism of #atheism; psychological collapse of exbee

[11:24] <sbalneav> Hearing no objections, I hearby do nothing and leave said ban in place.
[11:24] <sbalneav> Democracy in action!
[11:25] <sbalneav> If nobody minds, I will paste him this convo to let him know how much he is loved?
[11:25] <Sparkbutt> All content bans are invalid.
[11:26] <Sparkbutt> QED.
[11:26] <sbalneav> We're not banning him because of content.
[11:26] <Sparkbutt> See, 'free speech' as an ethical, non-legally binding value for sentient beings at stage six of Kohlberg.
[11:26] <sbalneav> We're banning him because we don't like him.
[11:26] <Sparkbutt> Agreed.
[11:26] <Sparkbutt> That ban is invalid.
[11:26] <Sparkbutt> It gives you a sense of power.
[11:26] <YourMom> He needs new troll material.
[11:26] <sbalneav> I could ban you, too, Laniakea
[11:27] <Sparkbutt> It reminds you of times you were the excluded party in prior social situations, and how you disliked losing.
[11:27] <YourMom> he's been spewing the same nonsense for years now
[11:27] <YourMom> just like Grace
[11:27] <sbalneav> No, it keeps an annoying prat away from people who might want to have a decent conversation.
[11:27] <Sparkbutt> Ignore is sufficient.
[11:27] <sbalneav> I thought I was on ignore, Sparkbutt?
[11:27] <YourMom> You're welcome to chat with him elsewhere, Jay.
[11:28] <sbalneav> Banning is just a mass ignore :D
[11:28] <Sparkbutt> Correct.
[11:28] <Sparkbutt> When you do that you make decisions for other people.
[11:28] <Sparkbutt> Which is why it is unethical.
[11:28] <exbee> banning is making a decision on behalf of everyone to ignore someone, for the purpose of the channel's environment
[11:28] <sbalneav> And as has been explained to you before JayReeque, you have no free speech rights in here.
[11:28] <Sparkbutt> I have no illusions about this argumentation being persuasive for you.
[11:28] <exbee> yeah, irc is not a democracy. deal.
[11:29] <Sparkbutt> Look at him.
[11:29] <Sparkbutt> Even when I preempt this non-legally binding argument you still feel compelled to make it.
[11:29] <exbee> free speech is also completely separate and distinct from a freedom to be heard, which doesn't exist
[11:30] <Sparkbutt> So, your post is a fallacy.
[11:30] <Sparkbutt> Strawman, specifically.
[11:30] * exbee infringes shoe's rights ;)
[11:30] <sbalneav> Your rights of free speech are never infringed, even if you are banned.
[11:30] <Sparkbutt> See, 'free speech' as an ethical, non-legally binding value for sentient beings at stage six of Kohlberg.
[11:30] <Sparkbutt> You are not at stage six of Kohlberg.
[11:30] <Sparkbutt> This argumentation has no value for you.
[11:30] <exbee> along with child rape and vegetarianism, yeah, i know
[11:30] * exbee sighs
[11:30] <Sparkbutt> You are at stage four of Kohlberg.
[11:30] <sbalneav> I am at stage 10 of sexiness.
[11:31] * exbee swoons at sbalneav
[11:31] <sbalneav> [Shoegazer]: Do you confirm my level?
[11:31] <Sparkbutt> exbee, freespeech != democracy
[11:31] <sbalneav> There you go.
[11:31] <Sparkbutt> In fact, freespeech is a right contrary to democracy.
[11:31] <Sparkbutt> So, it's ironic you would bring up democracy.
[11:31] <Sparkbutt> Democracy means 'the people decide'
[11:31] <sbalneav> Sparkbutt: My stage 10 sexiness trumps your stage 6 Kohlberg.
[11:31] <Sparkbutt> Free speech means 'You have this thing independent of what the people decide'
[11:31] <exbee> i would argue that there /is/ no such thing as 100% free speech
[11:31] <exbee> and there never has been
[11:32] <Sparkbutt> I am not arguing for 100% free speech.
[11:32] <sbalneav> Oh, good
[11:32] <Sparkbutt> So, we need not address that point.
[11:32] <sbalneav> 13:32:01 Sparkbutt I am not arguing for 100% free speech.
[11:32] <Sparkbutt> We need only address that content based bans due to politically unfavorable views are invalid.
[11:32] #atheism Cannot send to channel
[11:32] <sbalneav> tee hee
-
* Added *!*[email protected] to ignore list
-
[11:32] <Sparkbutt> I placed you on ignore, sbalneav.
[11:33] <Sparkbutt> exbee, rights do not stem from documents, according to Western jurisprudence.
[11:33] #atheism Cannot send to channel
[11:33] <exbee> if only he had swooned at sbal's sexiness we wouldn't be having this conversation now
[11:33] <Sparkbutt> Rights stem from human physiology, according to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and from the Creator, according to the US Constitution.
[11:34] <Sparkbutt> A person at stage six, then, doesn't worry about their legal obligations and avoiding punishment.
[11:34] <Sparkbutt> As this is not how stage six reasoning works.
[11:34] <exbee> yeah well we aren't at stage 100 yet of Kohlberg here in #atheism
[11:34] <Sparkbutt> exbee, you're doing the anti-intellectual thing again.
[11:34] <exbee> it's a goddamn dictatorship really
[11:34] <Sparkbutt> More jokes?
[11:34] <exbee> yeah or make one of your own
[11:35] <Sparkbutt> Do you see why I might believe, as I did the first time, that it stems from a genuine anti-intellectual streak in your personality.
[11:35] <exbee> i'd refer you to the chanserv help page on that
[11:35] <Sparkbutt> Kohlberg is a model of human moral reasoning.
[11:35] <Sparkbutt> I do not understand the psychological need to denigrate it.
[11:35] <exbee> you and Arcainel can exchange intellectual fluids
[11:35] <Sparkbutt> If you think the model is improvable, then I would be interested in that.
[11:35] <Sparkbutt> You are now deep in anti-intellectualism.
[11:35] <Sparkbutt> What happened.
[11:35] <Sparkbutt> (I had too much conflict with your allies)
[11:35] <exbee> I decided to eat meat this morning
[11:35] <Sparkbutt> But I'd like to hear you frame it
[11:36] <Sparkbutt> Now you wish to 'attack' me
[11:36] <Sparkbutt> As you feel your allies have been attacked
[11:36] <Sparkbutt> It's interesting to watch you behave this way
[11:36] <exbee> you are no threat, lani
[11:36] <Sparkbutt> Now you are using my 'True name'
[11:36] <Sparkbutt> As a way to say 'I know what you're really about'
[11:36] <exbee> we've launched into full-on sadism at this point
[11:37] <Sparkbutt> It's interesting to watch you cyce through various psychological strategies our species employs in conflict scenarios
-
* Added *!*[email protected] to ignore list
-
[11:37] <Sparkbutt> I put you on ignore, exbee
[11:37] <Sparkbutt> There is a very low chance you will manage to pull yourself out of the emotions you find yourself in during this conversation
[11:37] <Sparkbutt> As an intellectual, of course, I will engage you in the future when you regain control of your emotions
[11:39] <YourMom> LOUD NOISES
[11:39] <Sparkbutt> I guess I will save this conversation.
[11:39] <Sparkbutt> I found some of the psychological patterns interesting.
[11:39] <Sparkbutt> It's just weird to watch humans behave this way.
[11:39] <YourMom> I've contacted his employer about his repeatedly IRC'ing on the job.
[11:39] <Sparkbutt> So, exbee imagines Arcainel is 'some type of person'
[11:40] <Sparkbutt> And it's an unfavorable type
[11:40] <Sparkbutt> Then, me, as an entirely different person, perhaps exbee perceives I have some traits similar to Arcainel
[11:40] #atheism Cannot send to channel
[11:40] <YourMom> I too am fascinated by a human having a thought.
[11:40] * You were kicked from #atheism by sbalneav (Enuf)