So me and ralphfan, as well as a few comments from edo and fassad, on proposed alternatives and compromises to the current awards debate. This is the start of the relevant conversation.

[02:39] <@ralphfan> What's your opinion on the number of awards
[02:39] <classybrock> i feel like
[02:39] <@ralphfan> I think that we can cap that at 60
[02:39] <classybrock> i'd like 30-15-10-10
[02:39] <classybrock> i dont feel the extra 25 minutes is too long
[02:39] <classybrock> but
[02:39] <classybrock> i'd support 25-15-10-10
[02:40] <classybrock> i understand we want to keep it under 60
[02:40] <classybrock> i also think we should increase ups involvment
[02:40] <classybrock> which is why i like raising it to 10
[02:40] <classybrock> I dont believe in seperating them by days
[02:40] <classybrock> we are all the same community
[02:41] <classybrock> i dont really care what "annyomous voter stats" say
[02:41] <classybrock> up and mariowiki are the same community
[02:41] <classybrock> and I think they deserve to be represented
[02:41] <classybrock> also
[02:41] <classybrock> i'm looking at it from the perspective
[02:42] <classybrock> that the mario awards
[02:42] <classybrock> and the fail awards
[02:42] <classybrock> are the same thing
[02:42] <classybrock> i understand the neccessity to seperate them for administrative purposes
[02:42] <classybrock> but they are both mario awards, to me.
[02:42] <classybrock> so
[02:42] <classybrock> in my opinion
[02:42] <classybrock> if we raise fail to 15
[02:42] <classybrock> there will really be 45 mario awards
[02:42] <@ralphfan> Fail already is 16
[02:42] <@ralphfan> *15
[02:43] <classybrock> So
[02:43] <classybrock> I just think if we reduced mario awards
[02:43] <@ralphfan> This past year was 30/15/10/5
[02:43] <classybrock> then the mario awards would only be 40
[02:43] <classybrock> and then we'd have 40 mario awards, 10 up, and 10 shroom.
[02:43] <@ralphfan> On the other hand those do get the highest vote counts
[02:43] <@ralphfan> And we do need to appeal to the voters
[02:43] <classybrock> we do
[02:43] <classybrock> the main problem i see
[02:44] <classybrock> is up's exposure
[02:44] <classybrock> if i'm recalling correctly
[02:44] <classybrock> up wasnt on the main page for voting
[02:44] <@ralphfan> Yeah but it was still way behind in the numbers even before
[02:44] <classybrock> which explains the lower vote totals of the later polls
[02:44] <classybrock> I just think
[02:44] <classybrock> that
[02:44] <classybrock> we need up polls
[02:45] <@ralphfan> Without rotation, assuming patterns continued most Mario polls would have been around 450 with UP at 224
[02:45] <@ralphfan> So it's still far more popular
[02:45] <classybrock> i guess
[02:45] <classybrock> but that doesnt mean we cant have more up
[02:45] <classybrock> at worst, it's an extra 25 minutes of presentation time.
[02:45] <@ralphfan> Well we'll need people to take on responsibilities
[02:45] <classybrock> if we toss out the 5 least popular mario awards
[02:45] <classybrock> wew'd have 5 spaces for up awards
[02:46] <@ralphfan> That's going against what voters want
[02:46] <@ralphfan> Plus a lot of UP fiction sucks
[02:46] <classybrock> do you have stats
[02:46] <classybrock> on individual polls?
[02:46] <@ralphfan> There is some good stuff
[02:46] <@ralphfan> Yes I have stats on everything
[02:46] <classybrock> how much difference is there between the lowest mario awards
[02:47] <classybrock> and the up awards?
[02:47] <@ralphfan> Archive >> Mario Awards >> 2011 >> OFFICIAL DETAILED RESULTS
[02:47] <@ralphfan> See, those results pages are some of the duties of the leaders
[02:47] <@ralphfan> Takes a while to do them, even with help
[02:48] <@ralphfan> Edo did most of the background images and I can't thank him enough
[02:48] <classybrock> well
[02:48] <@Adrian_Andrews> zzzzzZZZZZhuhWHAT
[02:48] <classybrock> you could appoint more leaders
[02:48] <@Adrian_Andrews> im awake!
[02:48] <classybrock> like
[02:48] <classybrock> turb
[02:48] <classybrock> or fassad
[02:48] <@ralphfan> I know
[02:48] <classybrock> or some of the other people who have been vocal in wanting to help on the committee
[02:48] <@ralphfan> And they'll do a great job
[02:49] <classybrock> i mean
[02:49] <classybrock> i'm a little hypocritical
[02:49] <@ralphfan> Hopefully Fassad and SMB won't be too busy
[02:49] <classybrock> i havent been to active myself
[02:49] <classybrock> i just havent had the time
[02:49] <classybrock> but
[02:49] <classybrock> we have this huge committee
[02:49] <classybrock> i mean
[02:50] <classybrock> there are a lot of ideas in it
[02:50] <@ralphfan> UP's most was 243
[02:50] <@ralphfan> Mario's fewest was 827
[02:50] <@ralphfan> IIRC that one was around 400 before it was on the rotation
[02:50] <classybrock> what was the lowest mario award?
[02:50] <@ralphfan> ^look up
[02:50] <classybrock> what category
[02:50] <@ralphfan> PM Partner somehow
[02:50] <classybrock> eh
[02:51] <classybrock> do we need PM Partner?
[02:51] <classybrock> we could cut a few of the weaker mario awards, to save time
[02:51] <@ralphfan> It has different winners each year
[02:51] <@Adrian_Andrews> PM is the best series in everything thats mario
[02:51] <@ralphfan> Are you on the OFFICIAL DETAILED RESULTS page
[02:51] <@ralphfan> And yes it is
[02:51] <@Adrian_Andrews> if you cut it, Ima gonna cut YOU!
[02:51] <@ralphfan> Except SPM
[02:51] <@ralphfan> That thing sucked
[02:51] <@ralphfan> A lot.
[02:51] <classybrock> Sure.
[02:52] <classybrock> But my point is
[02:52] <classybrock> there are 30 mario awards
[02:52] <classybrock> surely
[02:52] <@ralphfan> Yeah
[02:52] <classybrock> there are 5 that suck
[02:52] * @Adrian_Andrews sharpens knife
[02:52] <@ralphfan> Well look at voter turnouts
[02:52] <@ralphfan> AND
[02:52] <classybrock> no, but seriously
[02:52] <@ralphfan> The Historical Results page I made on my own spare time
[02:52] <@ralphfan> To see which have the same winners each year
[02:52] <@ralphfan> Some are indispensable
[02:52] <classybrock> well, duh
[02:52] <@ralphfan> Favorite Game, etc
[02:53] <classybrock> i'm not argueing to get rid of the best ones.
[02:53] * @Adrian_Andrews tries to stab brock, but the blade breaks off because hes made of rock for some random reason
[02:53] <classybrock> just trying to figure out a compromise that people will agree on
[02:53] <classybrock> because a lot of people seem to want to bring up to 10
[02:53] <@ralphfan> Plus we can bring awards in and out each year to create some variety if we have more than 25 good ones
[02:53] <classybrock> but
[02:53] <@ralphfan> I think it would be best for UP to be hosted on its own but that's just me!
[02:53] <classybrock> if we have 25 awards
[02:54] <classybrock> that raises our variability from year to year!
[02:54] <classybrock> and we have more options to rotate!@
[02:54] * @Crash[Away] (Mibbit@oi88-255-268-78.ok.ok.cox.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[02:54] <classybrock> since we arnt using every idea every year!
[02:54] <@ralphfan> That's true and I never actually looked at it like that before
[02:54] <@ralphfan> Favorite Mario Generation can definitely be removed
[02:55] <Fassad> favorite mario game's gotta be scrapped for the year
[02:55] <classybrock> favorite mario generation sounds really similar to favorite mario game.
[02:55] <Fassad> outcome's always obvious
[02:55] <@ralphfan> Multiplayer Experience can go
[02:55] <Fassad> take it away a year and then put it next year
[02:55] <Fassad> outcome: newest mario game
[02:55] <@ralphfan> Favorite Galaxy is staying
[02:55] <Fassad> it better stay
[02:56] <Fassad> that has like 90+ choices
[02:56] <@ralphfan> Over three hours on one award
[02:56] <@ralphfan> MP game should stay because of MP9
[02:56] <classybrock> isnt MP 9 just going to win?
[02:56] <Fassad> anyways bbl
[02:56] <classybrock> ok
[02:56] <@ralphfan> Retro Game can go for a year
[02:56] <Fassad> yes it will likely win
[02:57] <Fassad> that or sm3dl
[02:57] <@ralphfan> And then eventually GameCube games will get added to that
[02:57] <@ralphfan> He meant MP9 for MP Game I think
[02:57] <@ralphfan> And then TTYD vs SM64
[02:57] <@ralphfan> Once we get the next console out we can add GC games
[02:57] <classybrock> GC games are pretty retro already.
[02:57] <@ralphfan> Remake can go
[02:58] <@ralphfan> Sports Game has to stay since they make so many damn spinoffs
[02:58] <classybrock> we can do remake every other year
[02:58] <classybrock> we could do sports game every other year, but do it this year.
[02:58] <@ralphfan> Spin-Off is the same results BUT LM2 changes that
[02:59] <@ralphfan> Series can go
[02:59] <@ralphfan> Same results every time
[02:59] <@ralphfan> So far we've got Multiplayer, Generation, MP Game, Retro Game and Series (also Sports Game
[02:59] <@ralphfan> So that's five already!
[02:59] <classybrock> !
[03:00] <@ralphfan> Mini-Boss has year to year variety
[03:00] <@ralphfan> Place can o
[03:00] <classybrock> yeah
[03:00] <@ralphfan> *go
[03:00] <@ralphfan> Low turnout and same results
[03:01] <@ralphfan> As for Fail we'll need some new stuff
[03:01] <classybrock> yeah
[03:01] <@ralphfan> Maybe some incarnations of some of the Mario stuff we don't use if we can't think of anything else
[03:01] <classybrock> i think fassad had some ideas
[03:01] <@ralphfan> Brock, can you save logs of this so that I can use this as a reference
[03:01] <classybrock> okay
[03:02] <@ralphfan> I still prefer the 50 Award approach but if we go 60 this certainly wouldn't be bad
[03:03] <@ralphfan> Worst Character has been Birdo 3 times out of 3 but it's been somewhat close
[03:03] <classybrock> i dont really like birdo
[03:03] * @ralphfan (ralphfan@g-28-845-360-13.hsd5.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[03:03] <classybrock> oh
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[03:03] <@ChanServ> [ralphfan] NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION
[03:03] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ralphfan
[03:04] <@ralphfan> Platformer is a total blowout
[03:04] <@ralphfan> Brock, do you have the pages open?
[03:04] <@ralphfan> http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=12440.0
[03:04] <@ralphfan> https://docs.google.com/View?id=drz9zgp_161hpbqp8c9
[03:04] <classybrock> i didnt know where they were
[03:04] <@ralphfan> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AjtTHKHauMkJdFprRm1SSGNieUNHbTJ4X3hJZ0g5S0E&output=html
[03:05] <@ralphfan> https://docs.google.com/View?id=drz9zgp_160ghwft2hp
[03:05] <@ralphfan> They're in the old Awards board in the forum
[03:05] <@ralphfan> I think a lot of our new AC members haven't seen those
[03:05] <@ralphfan> If you could link to all of them within the AC board that would be awesome
[03:08] <classybrock> ok
[03:13] <@ralphfan> So, continuing with Fail Awards
[03:13] <@ralphfan> There are a lot of repeated results and a couple with low voter turnouts
[03:13] <@ralphfan> Luckily not too many of those came into being this past year
[03:14] <@ralphfan> I think the historical results sheet can give us insight into ideas for past Mario categories that would be good as Fail categories
[03:20] <@ralphfan> Some of the Fail Awards with repeated results, like Worst Item, have great voter turnout
[03:21] <@ralphfan> So in the event that we go to 25/15/10/10 we've got all sorts of info on the 25
[03:21] <@ralphfan> Anything else you want to say, Brock?
[03:25] <Fassad> i can agree with that
[03:26] <@ralphfan> I listed Fail Awards that could be removed once
[03:26] <@ralphfan> I know Remake and Other Medium were two of them
[03:27] <@ralphfan> I'll come up with more data to be used at meetings
[03:27] <@Bulbasaur> [03:26'47]	ralphfan	[...]Other M[...]
[03:27] <@ralphfan> If everything works out all right of corse
[03:27] <@Bulbasaur> you foooooooooooooool
[03:27] <@Bulbasaur> speak not the hated name!

Afterwards the conversation divulged into a flurry of pokemon battles. Or trades. Or something. I'm not really sure.

[03:33] * Fassad sends Bulbasaur back into his pokeball
[03:34] <@Bulbasaur> why :(
[03:34] * @Adrian_Andrews blocks the attempt to retrieve bulbasaur >:(
[03:34] <@Adrian_Andrews> He is my pokemon
[03:34] <@Bulbasaur> :)
[03:34] <@Adrian_Andrews> go catch your own
[03:35] <@Bulbasaur> you could take meowth
[03:35] <@Bulbasaur> ive heard there is a meowth that nobody really wants skulking around here
[03:35] * Fassad throws a Master Ball at Bulbasaur
[03:35] <Fassad> no >:(
[03:36] * @Adrian_Andrews blocks it
[03:36] <@Adrian_Andrews> you cant catch a pokemon that has already been caught before
[03:36] * Fassad takes AA's glasses
[03:36] <@Adrian_Andrews> eh, I have spares
[03:36] <@Bulbasaur> why dont you want meowth
[03:36] <Fassad> ok, i'll trade you my magikarp then
[03:37] <@Bulbasaur> he can shoot unlimited money!
[03:37] <@Bulbasaur> how is that not the best talent ever
[03:37] <@Adrian_Andrews> but I dont like gyarados :(
[03:37] <@Adrian_Andrews> or whatever its spelled
[03:37] <Fassad> you spelled it right
[03:37] <@Adrian_Andrews> hooray!
[03:37] <@Adrian_Andrews> In german, they dropped the y for some reason
[03:37] <@Adrian_Andrews> its just Garados

etc etc. The end

So yeah, thoughts on the proposals and ideas tossed out in the conversation.