[19:21] <+aldaron> do cap people actually get ladybug?
[19:22] <+aldaron> i think i supported the motion lightly when it was brought up, but now that i think about it
[19:22] <+aldaron> and with the current definition of ladybug
[19:22] <+aldaron> as precontributor (for on site material)
[19:22] <+aldaron> why?
[19:22] <+Jimbo> cap stuff is onsite
[19:22] <+Jimbo> technically
[19:22] <+aldaron> wow are you really being pedantic with me?
[19:22] <+aldaron> i obviously mean analyses / articles
[19:23] <+Jimbo> well there are cap analayses
[19:23] <+RB-Golbat> only two people form CAP have gotten ladybug so far
[19:23] <+Jimbo> I'm not being pedantic there actually are p_p
[19:23] <+Jimbo> but ok you mean standard ones then nvm!
[19:23] <+Kevin_Garrett> he is really just being fat
[19:23] <+RB-Golbat> Tennis was quite a while ago, and D_K does other work on the site
[19:24] <+Jimbo> Beej
[19:24] <+aldaron> beej apparently is allowed to keep ladybug due to cap work
[19:24] <+Tutornip> i thought beej got one for CAp
[19:24] <+Tutornip> yeah
[19:24] <+Kevin_Garrett> didn't beej also deserve a ladybug because he had his tutor badge stripped?
[19:24] <+aldaron> yep
[19:24] <+Jimbo> yes, and he quit tutoring
[19:24] <+aldaron> beej joins #cap but not #insidescoop
[19:24] <+Kevin_Garrett> oh
[19:24] <+Jimbo> normally he would lose it but he kept it because of cap
[19:25] <+aldaron> i'm wondering why he is allowed to keep it
[19:25] <+aldaron> with clear intentions of not contributing to policy
[19:25] <+aldaron> he doesnt join #stark / #insidescoop
[19:26] <+aldaron> tennis iirc is a moderator anyway, and he makes an effort to join #stark / #insidescoop
[19:26] <+Kevin_Garrett> yeah, chaos always insisted everyone with a badge be in all smogon channels
[19:26] <+aldaron> and he gives us his opinions on policy
[19:26] <+aldaron> jimbo / rbg / fuzznip; did beej get ladybug for cap for analyses or for just intelligently participating
[19:27] <+Jimbo> I think both
[19:27] <+Jimbo> I talked to doug when I would have gotten it removed
[19:27] <+RB-Golbat> i was not involved in beej keepint his ladybug
[19:27] <+Tutornip> intelligently participating
[19:27] <+Tutornip> but he helped with some of the analyses
[19:27] <+aldaron> wow so basically a precontributor badge that represents on site standard work is now being given to a fake pokemon project participation
[19:27] <+jumpluff> sadly i dont think that is meritorious of a ladybug
[19:28] <+jumpluff> (intelligently participating)
[19:28] <+aldaron> and especially to someone who doesnt even join #insidescoop or #stark
[19:28] <+RB-Golbat> I would like to have been talked to about this as well
[19:29] <+aldaron> sooo????
[19:30] <+aldaron> ladybug leader rbg
[19:30] <+aldaron> is "intelligent participation in cap projects" good enough for ladybug?
[19:30] <+RB-Golbat> i mean by jimbo when he decided to let beej keep his ladybug
[19:30] <+Jimbo> uh
[19:30] <+RB-Golbat> unless you did and I forgot
[19:30] <+Jimbo> I'm pretty sure I did say
[19:30] <+Jimbo> yes
[19:30] <+Jimbo> lol
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[19:30] <+RB-Golbat> I should look more into these things when asked then
[19:31] <+Jimbo> I first asked doug about it, he said yes
[19:31] <+Jimbo> I asked you, iirc you said ok?
[19:31] <+RB-Golbat> anyways, I'm dubious about just allowing the ladybug based on just discussing
[19:31] <+aldaron> i am fine with blaming this on jimbo
[19:31] <+jumpluff> if that's the case then there are many cap users who should be ladybugged
[19:31] <+jumpluff> me too
[19:31] <&Colin> doug seems to think that cap participation warrants ladybug
[19:31] <+jumpluff> though then again you have blame game
[19:31] <+jumpluff> but that was tangerine's thing
[19:31] <&Colin> that's what he said after the deck knight incnident
[19:31] <+aldaron> i dont agree with that at all right now
[19:31] <+aldaron> ladybug is on site standard games analyses / articles
[19:31] <&Colin> i just mention that doug thinks that since if you disagree you may want to take it upw tih him
[19:32] <+aldaron> jumpluff, blame game showed extended (as in over YEARS) interest in intelligently contributing to actual policy
[19:33] <+jumpluff> fair enough then
[19:33] <+aldaron> i am not opposed to making exceptions for people like him
[19:33] <+aldaron> you know i dont stringently follow rules
[19:33] <+aldaron> exceptions happen
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[19:33] <+aldaron> is beej worthy of an exception?
[19:33] <&Colin> i don't even know who beej is
[19:33] <&Colin> i don't remember him ever being in this channel
[19:33] <+jumpluff> he never comes to official channels
[19:33] <+ete_brb> cap forum mod, very long time member of the CaP community.
[19:34] <+ete_brb> *server
[19:34] <+ete_brb> sorry
[19:34] <+jumpluff> he's a mod in cap forum?
[19:34] <+jumpluff> oh
[19:34] <+jumpluff> lol
[19:34] <+aldaron> he is not
[19:34] <+ete_brb> not forum, involved with the forum
[19:34] <+aldaron> that is a lie
[19:34] <+ete_brb> but not mod
[19:34] <+aldaron> yea, "congrats"
[19:34] <+ete_brb> I corrected myself
[19:34] <+aldaron> let's give everyone involved in a forum a ladybug lol
[19:34] <+aldaron> luduan deserves one for cong
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[19:35] <+mingot> whats going on here?
[19:35] <+jumpluff> well if blame game can be a long-time policy participant, are beej's contributions to cap worthy? if so then what is the difference between cap and standard contribution?
[19:35] <+aldaron> wondering why merely participation in cap merits a ladybug
[19:35] <+jumpluff> beej is the current tl btw
[19:35] <+mingot> colin: can you give aldaron a ladybug, please?
[19:35] <+jumpluff> if that's anything
[19:35] <+aldaron> the difference between cap contribution and about 4 years of policy contribution -.-
[19:35] <&Colin> doesn't aldaron already ahve several other badges?
[19:35] <+ete> I'm not going to argue about whether pres should be awarded for cap, that's an administrative choice really, but beej is pretty high up on the list of CaP good users.
[19:36] <+aldaron> yea but we dont award ladybugs for being a good user
[19:36] <+Jimbo> yea i also want to note that i'm impartial
[19:36] <+mingot> Colin: yes, but all of this fuss of ladybugs. the only possible explaination is that he wants a ladybug.
[19:36] <+aldaron> GIMME MY GOLDEN LADYBUG
[19:36] <&Colin> i thought you wanted a pink one
[19:36] <&Colin> now golden
[19:36] <&Colin> why don't we just give you teh whole rainbow
[19:37] <+jumpluff> i'll gladly take a pink ladybug
[19:37] <+RB-Golbat> Earn The Rainbow
[19:37] <+aldaron> but seriously if beej has been allowed to keep his ladybug due only to cap forum involvement
[19:37] <+RB-Golbat> Taste the Rainbow
[19:37] <+ete> I think the question is whether contribution to CaP counts as contributing to Smogon.
[19:37] <+aldaron> i have significant issues with this
[19:37] <+aldaron> no
[19:37] <+aldaron> not at all
[19:37] <+aldaron> that is not the question at all
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[19:37] <+aldaron> the question is whether forum involvement merits ladybug
[19:37] <+mingot> aldaron: does it make sense to have this conversation in the "absense of doug"?
[19:37] <+aldaron> is doug suddenly the czar of ladybug -.-
[19:37] <+jumpluff> no, but he's an admin, and the cap runner
[19:38] <+jumpluff> i'm pretty sure he'd want to weigh in
[19:38] <+mingot> doug is the rules of captown
[19:38] <+mingot> *ruler of
[19:38] <+aldaron> ok i guess i'll wait till then
[19:38] <+RB-Golbat> yes, I would like him to weigh in, althought I really don't feel that it is within what is expected of ladybugs
[19:38] <+ete> ladybug was originally quite a general badge, right?
[19:38] <+aldaron> originally, no longer
[19:39] <+aldaron> and originally it was just a cool person badge
[19:39] <+ete> true
[19:39] <+ete> hmm
_06[19:39] * +ete reads badge faq
[19:39] <+aldaron> i dont know if the badge faq is updated
[19:39] <+RB-Golbat> it has been recently I believe
[19:40] <+ete> "User is a Pre-Contributor. Pre-Contributors are helpful in the Contributions & Corrections forum, regularly posting and editing articles for the site. Pre-Contributor is essentially a "trial" badge - if you get another badge at the same time, this is removed."
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[19:40] <+aldaron> well there we go
[19:40] <+ete> under that definition cap contributions should clearly not be counted.
[19:40] <+mingot> look for an expanded definition soon.
[19:41] <+ete> right
[19:41] <+aldaron> not really sure why cap would get special treatment over other forums
[19:42] <+jumpluff> you're right, really
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[19:42] <+jumpluff> though under that definition we could laways just move cap analyses to a c&c project forum
[19:42] <+jumpluff> xd
[19:42] <+aldaron> there are what
[19:42] <+aldaron> 9 cap analyses lol
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[19:43] <+jumpluff> yeah.
[19:43] <+ete> and some other material
[19:43] <+aldaron> wat
[19:43] <+jumpluff> how should cap reward its best participants, then?
[19:43] <+aldaron> cim still posting -.-
[19:43] <+jumpluff> we award cap artists the artist badge
[19:43] <+mingot> aldaron: he never sleeps
[19:43] <+Vader> there could be a cap badge in the same spirit as tutor, smog staff or rater
[19:43] <+aldaron> no, no there shouldnt
[19:43] <+mingot> wifi badge next
[19:43] <+ete> doug talked about that
[19:43] <+ete> actually
[19:44] <+mingot> you heard it here first, folks.
[19:44] <+jumpluff> i dont find that in the same spirit at all
[19:44] <+mtr> lol, wifi badge
[19:44] <+aldaron> cap badge lol
[19:44] <+Vader> wifi badge
[19:44] <+WildEep> can I have one? :-P
[19:44] <+mingot> mtr will want one.
[19:44] <+aldaron> man i will fight that with all my power
[19:44] <+Vader> "posts comprehensibly"
[19:44] <+ete> wifi badge "learned RNG abuse"
[19:44] <+mtr> "posts are more than 'CMT' "
[19:44] <+aldaron> how can you compare cap to tutuor smog or rater
[19:44] <+aldaron> all three require diligent work
[19:44] <+aldaron> the cap requires posting in the forum
[19:44] <+aldaron> i mean, rater is posting too
[19:45] <+aldaron> but it is work
[19:45] <+aldaron> (or should be)
[19:45] <+mingot> perhaps doug is ensuring that all who have capbugs have diligently worked.
[19:45] <+jumpluff> rater is somewhat unique anyways
[19:45] <+jumpluff> so i suppose
[19:45] <+jumpluff> that means artist diligently work of course too
[19:45] <+jumpluff> but aldaron what about TLs
[19:45] <+ete> cap is discussion, but very few have actually got a ladybug for cap stuff.
[19:45] <+jumpluff> dont you find that is 'diligent work'
[19:45] <+mingot> from what i understand there is some long and convoluted byzantine process to create a cap monster.
[19:45] <+aldaron> sure, if 1 person is TL for 5 caps
[19:45] <+aldaron> yea
[19:45] <+aldaron> diligent work
[19:46] <+ete> I think you're vastly underestimating the work of a TL.
[19:46] <+Jimbo> cap is also much much harder to quantify than something like smog or tr
[19:46] <+Jimbo> you can't post alllll the time in cap like you can in rmt
[19:46] <+Vader> if someone contributed a lot of content to CaP over the course of several CaPs and coherently argued on a regular basis it could merit a badge
[19:47] <+jumpluff> what kind of content is contributed exactly
[19:47] <+jumpluff> a movepool
[19:47] <+jumpluff> a concept
[19:47] <+RB-Golbat> but it does not fall under the ladybug too be honest
[19:47] <+aldaron> lol
[19:47] <+jumpluff> art, spriting
[19:47] <+jumpluff> aldaron is right
[19:47] <+RB-Golbat> MAYBE a new badge, but that is really debateable
[19:47] <+jumpluff> i mean this is exactly the same as a cong badge
[19:47] <+ete> ladybug would need to be redefined, but I'm not sure the redefinition is a problem.
[19:47] <+mingot> does this mean everyone is on board with a wifi badge?
[19:47] <+jumpluff> except cap is pokémon-themed
[19:47] <+jumpluff> yeah wifi takes a lot of sring
[19:47] <+jumpluff> and rnging
[19:48] <+mingot> i am excitied about thist.
[19:48] <+Philip7086> i foresee just giving all the big CAP guys moderator status if we strip the ladybugs
[19:48] <+aldaron> i would support a wifi badge FAR before cap badge.
[19:48] <+ete> if it was defined as making contributions to Smogon, not just C&C.
[19:48] <+RB-Golbat> yes, mingot is wifi badge leader I afgree
[19:48] <+Philip7086> just sayin
[19:48] <+mingot> yep, i will run the program
[19:48] <+mingot> eep will do all of the actual work, though.
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[19:48] <+aldaron> yea, i'm not giving forum moderator status to beej who doesnt even join #stark  or #insidescoop
[19:48] <+aldaron> fuck that
[19:48] <+WildEep> lol
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[19:48] <+aldaron> tennis absolutely i can see that
[19:49] <+aldaron> he makes an active effort to be involved in policy
[19:49] <+RB-Golbat> if anything he should just be able to delete and close things in the CAP forums while he is Leader
[19:49] <+tennisace> hi what
[19:49] <+jumpluff> beej is on right now, fwiw
[19:49] <+RB-Golbat> that is all I agree with though
[19:49] <+aldaron> yea, beej is in #cap but not here or stark
[19:49] <+Kevin_Garrett> beej used to come here. i wonder why he stopped.
[19:49] <+ete> I don't think that's a fair restriction
[19:49] <+ete> really
[19:49] <+RB-Golbat> what do you think is not fair about it
[19:49] <+Philip7086> well, someone highlight me when doug comes on, cause i'd like to hear what he has to say
[19:50] <+ete> CaP forum mods should be about CaP stuff
[19:50] <+ete> not #is stuff
[19:50] <+aldaron> um
[19:50] <+aldaron> when you are a MODERATOR
[19:50] <+jumpluff> mods have obligation to work with the rest of hte site
[19:50] <+Kevin_Garrett> all badged users that have access to irc need to be here
[19:50] <+jumpluff> the*
[19:50] <+aldaron> on the forum MODERATOR list
[19:50] <+Genny> to be fair I don't think Beej is mod meterial
[19:50] <+Genny> but that may be me
[19:50] <+mtr> really, KG? I didn't know that
[19:50] <+aldaron> you have an obligation to the forum.
[19:50] <+jumpluff> someone should probably remind beej he's meant to be here
[19:50] <+aldaron> this is why i compromised with jumpluff regarding the fb mods
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[19:50] <+ete> Mods have an obligation to behaive reasonably across smogon, but you only need to do great stuff in your own section.
[19:50] <+Tutornip> beej would make a great mod tbh
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[19:50] <+Genny> why do we have to be in IS?
[19:50] <+aldaron> no, no he would not
[19:50] <+mtr> hey stellar
[19:51] <+jumpluff> because chaos wants it that way
[19:51] <+aldaron> i am 100% against modding beej
[19:51] <+stellar> hi
[19:51] <+jumpluff> so we can all be aware of and contribute to policy
[19:51] <+jumpluff> hi stellar, former cap mod ;)
[19:51] <+RB-Golbat> why shouldn't you be in IS if you are badged gen
[19:51] <+stellar> im stellar
[19:51] <+Kevin_Garrett> chaos said everyone needs to be here and in either smogon or stark
[19:51] <+aldaron> of course you should be in is lol
[19:51] <+Genny> meh, I guess
[19:51] <+Kevin_Garrett> how can you come on irc and be staff, but not come here
[19:51] <+stellar> i dont like stark so im not in it
[19:51] <+stellar> o no
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[19:51] <+aldaron> you're also a a big bitch
[19:51] <+stellar> thats true
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[19:52] <+aldaron> k so wait for doug i guess
[19:52] <+Jimbo> lol
[19:52] <+Genny> all the same, I don't know if beej would be a good mod
[19:52] <+Genny> he acts a little rash sometimes
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[19:52] <+aldaron> i hate his attitude so i will 100% fight against him personally
[19:52] <+aldaron> i might support other cap ladybugs to mods though
[19:53] <+ete> I'm not just talking about him
[19:53] <+jumpluff> i'd like to know why beej doesn't come to #is , can someone ask him
[19:53] <+jumpluff> i don't know him very well =/
[19:53] <+stellar> he might accidentally infract someone for talking
[19:53] <+tennisace> aldaron: the only other cap ladybug is deck
[19:53] <+mtr> what's so bad about beej
[19:53] <+tennisace> hehe
[19:53] <+mtr> 's attitude?
[19:53] <+aldaron> lol
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[19:53] <+Genny> I think Deck would be a good CAP mod
[19:53] <+mtr> lol, Deck
[19:53] <+ete> but saying that CaP mods have to be involved in general Smogon policy seems silly to me.
[19:53] <+Genny> but no one will agree
[19:53] <+Genny> :(
[19:53] <+tennisace> who i would incidentally suppor for cap mods
[19:53] <+Philip7086> oh cool, looks like my suggestion might take effect now
[19:53] <+Philip7086> carry it though aldaron
[19:53] <+tennisace> *support
[19:53] <+aldaron> beej accused me of trolling today, in fact, "fucking trolling"
[19:53] <+mtr> btw, I still want my Wifi badge. I deserve it for never setting foot in the forum
[19:53] <+aldaron> fuck that that guy
[19:53] <+mingot> deck knight should be a firebot mod
[19:53] <+mingot> true story
[19:53] <+Philip7086> it makes more sense to me to have mods for CAP than to just give them ladybugs
[19:53] <+aldaron> i was being completely sincere
[19:53] <+jumpluff> when were you trolling aldaron?!?!
[19:54] <+tennisace> but phil, that many mods isnt necessary
[19:54] <+Philip7086> in his defense, you are nothing but a huge troll...
[19:54] <+mtr> DK should be a Cong mod
[19:54] <+Genny> Hey, I'm just saying that he is dedicated to CAP and is generally a good presence there
[19:54] <+Genny> but whatever
[19:54] <+mtr> @mingot
[19:54] <+aldaron> dedicated to a subforum and good presence arent grounds for ladybug, gen
[19:55] <+aldaron> and his attitude makes me a 100% against him for moderator
[19:55] <+Genny> Deck or Beej?
[19:55] <+aldaron> beej
[19:55] <+mtr> both
[19:55] <+Philip7086> imo, one of two things need to happen:
[19:55] <+Philip7086> 1. the definition of the ladybug badge should be changed
[19:55] <+jumpluff> what did he accuse you of trolling for im curious
[19:55] <+Genny> I'm talking about Deck, I'm against beej
[19:55] <+mingot> mtr: wrong, firebot
[19:55] <+aldaron> definition of ladybug is fine right now lol
[19:55] <+aldaron> yes jimbo
[19:55] <+Philip7086> 2. cap mods should be given to those who deserve recognition for their hard work
[19:55] <+Philip7086> or actually, 3. maybe a cap badge
[19:55] <+Jimbo> lol
[19:55] <+jumpluff> well
[19:55] <+aldaron> but those cap mods need to come here
[19:55] <+jumpluff> 3. they shouldn't be badged
[19:55] <+jumpluff> to be fair
[19:55] <+aldaron> nah i will fight 100% against a cap badge
[19:55] <+jumpluff> hats always a possibility
[19:56] <+tennisace> i disagree entirely with the second one
[19:56] <+stellar> no more badges..
[19:56] <+aldaron> yes i am noticing your notice jimbo
[19:56] <+tennisace> there's like, one thread per 2-3 days
[19:56] <+aldaron> he does not
[19:56] <+Jimbo> f u
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[19:56] <+stellar> ok time for american idol
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[19:57] <+Kevin_Garrett> what would a cap badge do exactly? lol
[19:57] <+tennisace> ^^
[19:57] <+tennisace> if we could figure that out i'd support one
[19:57] <+tennisace> but i don't think just talking is enough
[19:58] <+tennisace> since there are a ton of people who do that
[19:58] <+Kevin_Garrett> that reminds me of a good debater / wi-fi badge
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[19:58] <+tennisace> yeah
[19:58] <+stellar> policy committee is enough i think
[19:58] <+aldaron> this is all tennisace's fault
[19:58] <+Philip7086> "Is a Create-A-Pokemon Topic Leader"
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[19:58] <+stellar> if you contribute you are allowed to make decisions
[19:58] <+aldaron> he HAD to be a great cap ladybug user
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[19:58] <+aldaron> damn you tennis
[19:58] <+aldaron> why could you have been crappy
[19:58] <+stellar> i dont really think it deserves is access
[19:58] <+aldaron> this never would have been an issue
[19:58] <+tennisace> hey i gave the ladybug up a long time ago!
[19:58] <+Jimbo> so it's tennisace's fault
[19:58] <+Kevin_Garrett> that sounds like its worth a check trophy at most
[19:58] <+Jimbo> interesting
[19:58] <+aldaron> yea kg, i agree
[19:59] <+mtr> don't CAP experts already get a CT?
[19:59] <+Philip7086> yeah, i agree with that
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[19:59] <+tennisace> thats for playtesting
[19:59] <+tennisace> but yes
[19:59] <+Genny> that's during playtesting
[19:59] <+stellar> just have a policy review committee checkmark
[19:59] <+Genny> damn it
[19:59] <+stellar> the end
[19:59] <+aldaron> i agree with that
[19:59] <+mtr> I think a checkmark should suffice
[19:59] <+tennisace> i'd rather it be a bit more selective
[19:59] <+mtr> and maybe a customizable CT
[19:59] <+stellar> nah
[19:59] <+aldaron> hell i can even agree with long term cap project contributors given a checkmark at doug's discretion
[19:59] <+stellar> voters dont get a ct
[19:59] <+aldaron> ladybug and cap badge are totally off for me though
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[20:00] <+aldaron> good idea kevin_garrett (not stellar)
[20:00] <+aldaron> i like it alot kevin_garrett (not stellar)
[20:00] <+stellar> yeah kg is the best
[20:00] <+aldaron> brilliant imo kevin_garrett (not stellar)