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  1. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 20 17:38:43 2016
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  3. Nov 20 17:38:43 * Now talking on #okapi
  4. Nov 20 17:38:43 * Topic for #okapi is: Absolutely no discussion about illegal activities.
  5. Nov 20 17:38:43 * Topic for #okapi set by theremin (Sat Nov 19 20:14:14 2016)
  6. Nov 20 17:38:54 <Soliloquy259> WTF is okapi
  7. Nov 20 17:43:00 <SasQuatch> Any way we can get a dump siite for all what.cd screenshots so we can start rebuilding information from that?
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  9. Nov 20 17:52:29 <kornkid5622> unfortunately it seems most were probably lost since whatimg is down
  10. Nov 20 17:53:47 <kornkid5622> but i'm sure people are saving whatever they have
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  15. Nov 20 18:14:46 <collut> Hello again
  16. Nov 20 18:17:25 <BalthCat> 'lo
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  18. Nov 20 18:27:41 <Soliloquy259> where can I go to help with okapi? this chat is dead.
  19. Nov 20 18:28:26 <theremin> we're hoping to have gazelle up tonight.
  20. Nov 20 18:28:34 <theremin> we're in a little bit of a holding patern.
  21. Nov 20 18:33:51 <Soliloquy259> I only know basic css and web code, so I could look, but probably not help without having to google a code every few lines or so.
  22. Nov 20 18:37:37 <Soliloquy259> theremin, should I begin scanning my copies of CDs and putting the metadata in a chart or something.
  23. Nov 20 18:55:25 <theremin> I'm hoping we're ready for data in two days or something. Maybe just hang on and see what it looks like.
  24. Nov 20 18:55:36 <theremin> I think we're restructuring the album page anyway.
  25. Nov 20 18:59:34 <theremin> speaking of which...album page.
  26. Nov 20 19:00:39 <theremin> [15:32] <@theremin> ORiginal Release
  27. Nov 20 19:00:39 <theremin> [15:32] <@theremin> 2008-Australian Edition
  28. Nov 20 19:00:39 <theremin> [15:32] <@theremin> 2008-Itunes Deluxe EDition
  29. Nov 20 19:00:39 <theremin> [15:32] <@theremin> 2008-UK Bonus Tracks
  30. Nov 20 19:00:39 <theremin> [15:32] <@theremin> 2009-Sony Music / Tour Edition
  31. Nov 20 19:00:39 <theremin> [15:32] <@theremin> 2010 - Jive Records / Special Edition - Bonus CD
  32. Nov 20 19:00:57 <theremin> If we're going to have [label] as a field now.
  33. Nov 20 19:01:49 <theremin> Maybe...[Year]-[Label]-Country-Title (Bonus)
  34. Nov 20 19:02:10 <theremin> where bonus is a field that says where if there are additional tracks or not.
  35. Nov 20 19:02:22 <theremin> and maybe we can remove "Edition"
  36. Nov 20 19:02:24 <theremin> So.....
  37. Nov 20 19:02:38 <BalthCat> They're not all countries though
  38. Nov 20 19:02:42 <BalthCat> "Jice Records Special Edition"
  39. Nov 20 19:02:46 <BalthCat> It's a special edition
  40. Nov 20 19:02:51 <theremin> right, hang on
  41. Nov 20 19:03:00 <BalthCat> "Jive Records Special" would sound more like a diner menu item
  42. Nov 20 19:03:07 <theremin> let me re-do those 6 as what it would look like.
  43. Nov 20 19:03:52 <mantis4tons> What about catalog number/ID maybe with an associated descriptor in lieu of Edition? [Year]-[Label]-[Catalog #]-[Release Description]-[Country]
  44. Nov 20 19:04:02 <theremin> yes, that too.
  45. Nov 20 19:04:12 <theremin> at the end?
  46. Nov 20 19:04:22 <theremin> I think this screenshot is really old: http://p2p-news.ru/uploads/posts/2011-08/1312748621_what.cd_stranica-alboma.jpg
  47. Nov 20 19:04:25 <mantis4tons> so 2016-Mantis Records-Mantis001B-Special Edition with bonus tracks-UK
  48. Nov 20 19:04:30 <theremin> wasn't the catalog # in there?
  49. Nov 20 19:04:42 <BalthCat> Country in this case is the release description
  50. Nov 20 19:04:46 <BalthCat> Just drop -country entirely
  51. Nov 20 19:05:27 <mantis4tons> Country is useful for vinyl rips
  52. Nov 20 19:05:42 <mantis4tons> where it's a good indicator of relative quality
  53. Nov 20 19:06:14 <theremin> I know this is repetitive, but I'm gonna use it to look at.
  54. Nov 20 19:06:18 <collut> country is useful for some non-vinyl rips too
  55. Nov 20 19:06:23 <theremin> I think the label in the US is LaFace.
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  57. Nov 20 19:06:53 <theremin> 2008 - LaFace - US - Original Edition
  58. Nov 20 19:07:22 <theremin> 2008 - LaFace - Australia
  59. Nov 20 19:07:34 <theremin> 2008 - LaFace - Itunes
  60. Nov 20 19:07:50 <BalthCat> iTunes isn't a country
  61. Nov 20 19:07:56 <theremin> wait
  62. Nov 20 19:08:14 <theremin> 2008 - LaFace - Itunes Deluxe Edition (+5)
  63. Nov 20 19:08:36 <theremin> 2008 - LaFace - UK (+5)
  64. Nov 20 19:09:00 <theremin> 2009 - Sony - US - Tour Edition (+10)
  65. Nov 20 19:09:16 <theremin> 2010 - Jive - US - Special Edition (+6)
  66. Nov 20 19:09:32 <theremin> that's all of them
  67. Nov 20 19:09:52 <mantis4tons> (+5) = 5 bonus tracks?
  68. Nov 20 19:10:03 <theremin> What I'm proposing is a little marker to distinguish which ones have bonus tracks.
  69. Nov 20 19:10:08 <theremin> or, maybe. How many.
  70. Nov 20 19:10:21 <mantis4tons> I like that idea
  71. Nov 20 19:10:46 <theremin> oh, and then ID pasted onto the end of all those. Maybe in Parenthesis
  72. Nov 20 19:11:44 <theremin> we can either call worldwide web releases like Itunes and Quobuz "World", or just put no country, which would just move on to the Title, which would be Itunes
  73. Nov 20 19:13:21 <pinc> is this site going to have additional meta data that gazelle doesn't track? like catalog, label, country, etc
  74. Nov 20 19:13:22 <mantis4tons> No country is probably better - "world" isn't always accurate for itunes releases. Stuff is sometimes only available in certain regions
  75. Nov 20 19:14:14 <Soliloquy259> theremin, would about copies that have ommited tracks, but then also some bonus tracks.
  76. Nov 20 19:14:23 <Soliloquy259> what
  77. Nov 20 19:15:20 <theremin> yeah. good call.
  78. Nov 20 19:15:46 <theremin> Maybe just a marker, like a dot, that shows it's different from the original release.
  79. Nov 20 19:15:59 <theremin> in TRACKS, not mastering
  80. Nov 20 19:16:04 <theremin> or mixing, etc.
  81. Nov 20 19:16:55 <theremin> Maybe we'll have more well done descriptions that will show people.
  82. Nov 20 19:17:10 <Soliloquy259> Well as long as it isn't labeled originial it should be known that it is different
  83. Nov 20 19:17:24 <Soliloquy259> people are going to be looking at the lists anyway to see hat the bonus tracks are.
  84. Nov 20 19:19:26 <theremin> So....
  85. Nov 20 19:19:52 <theremin> [Year] - [Country] - Title (Catalog #)
  86. Nov 20 19:19:58 <Soliloquy259> Have a symbol or number to show a different track list from the ogirinal is redundant
  87. Nov 20 19:20:33 <theremin> well, I thought that would mean we could get rid of the text that says "BONUS TRACKS"
  88. Nov 20 19:20:41 <Soliloquy259> As long as the only required fields are title and artist. Much other information doesn't exist alogn some releases.
  89. Nov 20 19:20:49 <theremin> http://p2p-news.ru/uploads/posts/2011-08/1312748621_what.cd_stranica-alboma.jpg
  90. Nov 20 19:21:24 <theremin> sorry.
  91. Nov 20 19:21:43 <theremin> [Year] - [Label] - Country - Title (Catalog #)
  92. Nov 20 19:22:38 <Soliloquy259> I was thinking each release would have a hidden/ drop down button to show the track list of that release, so the ones with bonus tracks will obv have the same track list as the original but with a few extras
  93. Nov 20 19:23:08 <Soliloquy259> I can make a picture of what i was thinking ni a bit I gtg do something real quick
  94. Nov 20 19:23:16 <theremin> damnit, it really sucks.
  95. Nov 20 19:23:20 <theremin> not having the site to look at.
  96. Nov 20 19:23:29 <Soliloquy259> I'll make a crappy picture to show
  97. Nov 20 19:24:01 <theremin> when you click the release line, it'll come down, like the torrents used to, right?
  98. Nov 20 19:24:07 <SasQuatch> I know this is more for the tracker than okapi, but I would love to be able to get a list of all individual songs for an artist and have different versions (like live, or different arrangements) that I could find
  99. Nov 20 19:24:09 <theremin> where "list files" used to be.
  100. Nov 20 19:24:14 <Soliloquy259> yes
  101. Nov 20 19:24:34 <Soliloquy259> but instead be tracklist
  102. Nov 20 19:24:47 <SasQuatch> I've got too many duplicates from albums where the isn't a difference in the recording.
  103. Nov 20 19:24:51 <theremin> SasQuatch, I had a post on the old forum about "Perfect Collections", which would show you what all releases you would need, and which tracks.
  104. Nov 20 19:25:06 <theremin> So, if there's a greatest hits, and you just need the last two tracks or whatever.
  105. Nov 20 19:25:15 <Soliloquy259> SasQuatch, you mean version where the track list was the same, but mastering different?
  106. Nov 20 19:26:04 <Soliloquy259> Maybe we coudl have in the drop down list 1. Just Like Fire (Peak 99.9%) (3:04)
  107. Nov 20 19:26:31 <theremin> I think a track list and notes, might be cool.
  108. Nov 20 19:26:32 <Soliloquy259> the peak levels, track list, and TOC were the ony things that seperated editions in the first place
  109. Nov 20 19:27:04 <Soliloquy259> We could have users copy paste their TOC from a rip log. It would have no identifying information but is crital for comparing logs in the end
  110. Nov 20 19:27:07 <theremin> TRT and peaks can be added at the end of track lists if people want.
  111. Nov 20 19:27:52 <Soliloquy259> Peaks, at the end of track in the track list, TOC below the track list or a seperate drop down button like [View File List] was
  112. Nov 20 19:28:04 <Soliloquy259> Ex. Just like fire (Peak 99.9%)
  113. Nov 20 19:30:28 <SasQuatch> would be interesting with all that info to be able to tell which tracks on multiple albums are indistinguishable from each other
  114. Nov 20 19:31:05 <theremin> soliliquy, can you join #legazelle?
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  128. Nov 20 21:50:27 <collut> Hey guys
  129. Nov 20 21:50:32 <collut> Anything happen while I was gone?
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  170. Nov 21 07:44:00 <Soliloquy259> I can't wait to have somthing to work with on the user end. I am prepping my collection to be transfered to the metadata okapi.
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  185. Nov 21 12:10:20 <tatsujin> SasQuatch, I'd like to join brainwashthemasses
  186. Nov 21 12:13:29 <Peio> what's that btw ?
  187. Nov 21 12:15:24 <theremin> A site that's going to archive all of the faqs and guides and wikis.
  188. Nov 21 12:16:07 <tatsujin> seems to be a good match with okapi
  189. Nov 21 12:16:18 <Peio> oh ok cool
  190. Nov 21 12:18:06 <Takaji_afk> That sounds great!
  191. Nov 21 12:18:14 * Takaji_afk is now known as Takaji
  192. Nov 21 12:18:20 <Takaji> Is it invite-only?
  193. Nov 21 12:19:17 <theremin> yeah.
  194. Nov 21 12:21:08 <tatsujin> SasQuatch is the owner if i am not mistaken
  195. Nov 21 12:21:12 <Takaji> I'd be interested too, then :)
  196. Nov 21 12:24:33 <mantis4tons> I sent him a PM on PTP to get access. He needed an email address
  197. Nov 21 12:27:21 <Takaji> What's this PTP I keep hearing about?
  198. Nov 21 12:28:01 <tatsujin> pass the popcorn
  199. Nov 21 12:28:04 <tatsujin> movie tracker
  200. Nov 21 12:28:10 <tatsujin> there is quite a huge thread about wcd
  201. Nov 21 12:30:02 <Takaji> Ahhhh
  202. Nov 21 12:30:18 <Takaji> The only movie tracker I belong to is Cinemageddon...
  203. Nov 21 12:30:58 <tatsujin> i'd invite you, but i think only staff have invite privileges
  204. Nov 21 12:31:15 <tatsujin> i normally would say to you to check the thread on what... :(
  205. Nov 21 12:31:22 <theremin> let's try to get in the habit of making tracker talk private please.
  206. Nov 21 12:31:50 <tatsujin> ah, i'm sorrz
  207. Nov 21 12:31:52 <tatsujin> sorry
  208. Nov 21 12:44:12 <theremin> what do you think of adding a choice in the pulldown artist menu for "Various Artists".
  209. Nov 21 12:45:29 <theremin> Like...if it's a jazz CD, and the "artist" is listed as 3 or 4 musicians (we should up it to 4 possible instead of 2), it displays that, but if it's a compilation, each artist is listed as a "Various Artist".
  210. Nov 21 12:47:01 <kornkid5622> seems reasonable to me I suppose
  211. Nov 21 12:47:07 <kornkid5622> though i'm not really sure what the benefit is
  212. Nov 21 12:49:41 <Soliloquy259> There could be hundreds of artists on a release whya re you limiting it to 2 or 4?
  213. Nov 21 12:50:06 <Soliloquy259> or is that just the header
  214. Nov 21 12:50:10 <theremin> head.
  215. Nov 21 12:50:55 <Soliloquy259> I think the standard previously was two artists then it went to various. Maybe it could be 3 but at 4 I'd be on the various train
  216. Nov 21 12:51:08 <theremin> If it's "Miles Davis" "Charles Mingus" "Art Blakey" that are listed on the cover, the old system called that "Various ARtists". I don't think you'll find many with more than 4 artists listed as the artist.
  217. Nov 21 12:51:41 <kornkid5622> ah ok
  218. Nov 21 12:51:41 <Soliloquy259> Are you sayingit should be upped to 3 theremin ?
  219. Nov 21 12:51:45 <kornkid5622> in that case yes i like it
  220. Nov 21 12:51:47 <theremin> 4 leaves room for bass/guitar/drums/1 other thing.
  221. Nov 21 12:52:28 <Soliloquy259> wouldn't those be either part of a band name or guest artist field
  222. Nov 21 12:53:52 <Soliloquy259> most albums are one artist and then they would say somewhere ARTIST X is: Mike Posner - base, John Smith - Drums, Cherry Peters - Voice.
  223. Nov 21 12:54:10 <Soliloquy259> But what should be in the header is ARTIST X not all the people in the band
  224. Nov 21 12:54:20 <theremin> https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/charlie_hunter_leon_parker/duo/
  225. Nov 21 12:54:54 <theremin> https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/david_byrne-st__vincent/love-this-giant/
  226. Nov 21 12:55:32 <Soliloquy259> Well those aren't bands that is just two artists working together.
  227. Nov 21 12:55:57 <Soliloquy259> I know St. Vincent has some solo stuff and it looks like david byrne does too
  228. Nov 21 12:56:00 <theremin> Especially in jazz, you'll get a lot of those with three people.
  229. Nov 21 12:56:21 <theremin> where, the musicians are playing together, but they didn't create a band name.
  230. Nov 21 12:57:13 <Soliloquy259> So it shouold be 3 artists but if it goes above that various
  231. Nov 21 12:57:15 <tatsujin> theremin, get a free trial for roon and have a look how they handle it
  232. Nov 21 12:57:16 <tatsujin> https://roonlabs.com/
  233. Nov 21 12:57:41 <tatsujin> they present interlinked metadate really nicely
  234. Nov 21 12:57:51 <tatsujin> *metadata
  235. Nov 21 12:58:11 <theremin> holy shit that's expensive
  236. Nov 21 12:58:35 <tatsujin> yeah, but it can really do a lot
  237. Nov 21 12:59:01 <tatsujin> theremin, can I pm you?
  238. Nov 21 12:59:06 <theremin> yes, always
  239. Nov 21 12:59:10 <theremin> so, what I'm saying is...
  240. Nov 21 12:59:11 <theremin> https://i.imgur.com/eZgFD86.jpg
  241. Nov 21 12:59:50 <theremin> On the side, where it says Artists, if it's a compilation, just like it says "Alan Parsons - Producer", it will say VARIOUS ARTISTS in white, and list the bands on the compilation
  242. Nov 21 13:00:22 <Soliloquy259> but not under produced by's right?
  243. Nov 21 13:00:36 <Soliloquy259> It'd be the first list that is main artists
  244. Nov 21 13:01:37 <Soliloquy259> Are we allowing a spot for album info, similar to what was on that screenshot? An official description or review, if it exists?
  245. Nov 21 13:04:40 <theremin> I think we're trying to make it look extremely similar, but tweak a couple of things, and remove the things that aren't being used in a metadata site.
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  249. Nov 21 13:55:51 <Soliloquy259> theremin, there is a dev gonna pm you
  250. Nov 21 13:58:08 <theremin> awesome
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  253. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 21 13:58:22 2016
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  255. Nov 21 13:58:22 * Now talking on #okapi
  256. Nov 21 13:58:22 * Topic for #okapi is: Absolutely no discussion about illegal activities.
  257. Nov 21 13:58:22 * Topic for #okapi set by theremin (Sat Nov 19 20:14:14 2016)
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  259. Nov 21 13:59:26 <Soliloquy259> MrRobot, says he has lots of code and sysadmin exp
  260. Nov 21 13:59:41 <MrRobot> yep
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  262. Nov 21 14:00:34 <theremin> fitting.
  263. Nov 21 14:00:41 <theremin> fitting Nick. heh.
  264. Nov 21 14:00:48 <MrRobot> lol thanks
  265. Nov 21 14:02:51 <collut> yeah, nice nick!
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  359. Nov 22 10:19:28 <karamanolev> Is there some sticky information: who's going to do it, are there technical plans for execution, etc.?
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  361. Nov 22 10:21:10 <collut-away> karamanolev: So right now, rossome and shardz are working on getting an instance of gazelle up and running, and I'm working on sort of a replacement for whatimg that we will use
  362. Nov 22 10:21:46 <collut-away> we have plans but first order of business is to get the server up
  363. Nov 22 10:21:51 <karamanolev> OK, good. The idea to seed a lot of initial data from WhatManager users was floated over email. You aware of that?
  364. Nov 22 10:22:06 <collut-away> Yes, we are indeed
  365. Nov 22 10:22:37 <collut-away> We also have a very large, alphabetically ordered list of artists provided by theremin_away
  366. Nov 22 10:22:37 <karamanolev> What would be the right time to discuss the best way to go about it?
  367. Nov 22 10:24:05 <collut-away> Once rossome, shardz (they know more specifics and they hold the server and domain right now) and theremin_away (he has a bunch of ideas) are here
  368. Nov 22 10:24:26 <collut-away> But if you have any ideas on how we would enter massive amounts of data fast, do share
  369. Nov 22 10:25:55 <karamanolev> Well I don't think it will be such a big issue actually. It's not that much. What's 2M pieces of metadata. Nothing :D
  370. Nov 22 10:26:44 <karamanolev> Basically we have two options - open an appropriate API for okapi and then code a script that everyone runs on their WM2 instance to utilize the API, figure out the most recent copy of a given what_id and then store that.
  371. Nov 22 10:27:35 <karamanolev> Or option two - make a script to create a dump with all the release metadata. Ask all WM2 users to run it and send the dumps your way. Then handle the dedup and loading on your side.
  372. Nov 22 10:27:45 <karamanolev> I can probably help with whatever you decide is best.
  373. Nov 22 10:28:41 <karamanolev> I presume the name okapi obviously includes the presence of an API?
  374. Nov 22 10:29:19 <collut-away> hahaha yeah there will be an API but we didn't choose the name becasue of that
  375. Nov 22 10:30:03 <karamanolev> Out of curiosity, what does the name mean?
  376. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 22 10:59:47 2016
  377.  
  378. Nov 22 10:59:47 * Now talking on #okapi
  379. Nov 22 10:59:47 * Topic for #okapi is: Absolutely no discussion about illegal activities.
  380. Nov 22 10:59:47 * Topic for #okapi set by theremin (Sat Nov 19 20:14:14 2016)
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  388. Nov 22 11:12:07 <theremin_away> oh wow, karamanolev is here
  389. Nov 22 11:12:28 <karamanolev2> hey theremin. beware that for now I might be using either karamanolev or karamanolev2 as IRC has always been painful for me
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  391. Nov 22 11:12:45 <karamanolev2> that aside, I'm glad to be here
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  394. Nov 22 11:22:47 <theremin_away> just got out of bed. catching up with stuff
  395. Nov 22 11:25:28 <theremin_away> okapi are also a even-toed ungulate, like gazelle.
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  397. Nov 22 11:35:01 <collut-away> oh yeah and that
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  400. Nov 22 11:45:38 <Soliloquy> there is so much stuff I want to do but not enough time :(
  401. Nov 22 11:48:51 <theremin> That's how I felt about my sorting project
  402. Nov 22 11:51:17 <brethil> can we have some info about the project linked in the topic?
  403. Nov 22 11:52:01 <brethil> Takaji, theremin
  404. Nov 22 11:54:52 <theremin> I need to actually write something good. Anyone here like writing?
  405. Nov 22 11:55:12 <theremin> I'm gonna pm you
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  493. Nov 22 16:12:25 <shardz> karamanolev: Thanks for your help!
  494. Nov 22 16:12:29 <shardz> Can someone ban nityantha?
  495. Nov 22 16:12:33 <shardz> Or op me?
  496. Nov 22 16:13:17 * theremin sets ban on *!*@P2PNET-8C1AB477.cust-18894.ip.static.uno.uk.net
  497. Nov 22 16:13:26 <shardz> Thanks.
  498. Nov 22 16:13:35 * theremin has kicked nityanat1a from #okapi (hello, goodbye, hello, goodbye, hello, goodbye,)
  499. Nov 22 16:13:47 * theremin gives channel operator status to shardz
  500. Nov 22 16:13:50 <collut> thank you
  501. Nov 22 16:13:57 <collut> that was annoying
  502. Nov 22 16:15:50 <shardz> brethil: Hey! Are you around right now?
  503. Nov 22 16:15:57 <brethil> kinda
  504. Nov 22 16:16:01 <brethil> hi
  505. Nov 22 16:16:05 <shardz> Hey, can we PM?
  506. Nov 22 16:16:33 <brethil> sure
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  515. Nov 22 16:43:56 <mantis4tons> just curious - has anyone explored how/if we can get access to the wcd internet archive data?
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  520. Nov 22 16:56:25 <shardz> mantis4tons: The question has been sent out I believe.
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  522. Nov 22 16:58:20 <mantis4tons> cool, that would be the best answer for populating okapi. I'll keep my fingers crossed
  523. Nov 22 17:03:19 <theremin> we're unsure if they even have a db. or how large it is.
  524. Nov 22 17:03:53 <theremin> For now tho, we have karamanolev helping to piece together WhatManager databases, which will be a huge step.
  525. Nov 22 17:04:28 <theremin> If we're looking at 100,000 torrents reclaimed so far, that might be...25k albums?
  526. Nov 22 17:09:29 <pinc> why not populate okapi from musicbrainz data?
  527. Nov 22 17:09:46 <pinc> https://musicbrainz.org/statistics
  528. Nov 22 17:10:51 <theremin> I think we've definitely ruled out doing that wholesale.
  529. Nov 22 17:11:19 <pinc> how come?
  530. Nov 22 17:11:22 <theremin> too much wrong data, useless data, and data that won't fit the db.
  531. Nov 22 17:11:25 <theremin> Like multiple artists.
  532. Nov 22 17:11:54 <theremin> I think scraping artists instead of the wholesale site might be easier to babysit the transition.
  533. Nov 22 17:12:38 <pinc> you can drop the data that wont't fit into gazelle, but isn't their going to be dupe artists either way?
  534. Nov 22 17:13:03 <pinc> is a bunch of musicbrainz data incorrect?
  535. Nov 22 17:13:03 <theremin> there are, that's what I mean by babysitting.
  536. Nov 22 17:13:52 <theremin> it seems like there's a ton of extraneous data (way too many release types), and completely useless data (bands that are lost for the ages).
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  538. Nov 22 17:14:17 <embeejay> same for discogs - lots of great data but also a lot of carp
  539. Nov 22 17:14:22 <collut> There will be dupes but they can be minimized by controlling the intake of data
  540. Nov 22 17:14:51 <collut> There will always be dupes though, that's for sure
  541. Nov 22 17:15:20 <theremin> I felt chunking it out into artists first would be a good idea.
  542. Nov 22 17:15:43 <theremin> I mean, we should be able to paste in 15k artists on the first day
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  567. Nov 22 21:51:13 <Soliloquy> I am SUPER excited for something on the user-end to work with. It is like all I can think about. I have been prepping my rips and cultivating all my resources for metadata (mostly my emails of press releases from rec. companies) .
  568. Nov 22 21:52:56 <theremin> Remind me to talk about bandcamp.
  569. Nov 22 21:53:05 <theremin> There was a lot of layout discussion earlier.
  570. Nov 22 21:53:23 <theremin> I'm in the slower part of my artist project, but I should be able to get a couple more letters out today
  571. Nov 22 21:53:24 <theremin> tonight
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  574. Nov 22 22:23:09 * Now talking on #okapi
  575. Nov 22 22:23:09 * Topic for #okapi is: Absolutely no discussion about illegal activities.
  576. Nov 22 22:23:09 * Topic for #okapi set by theremin (Sat Nov 19 20:14:14 2016)
  577. Nov 22 22:26:04 <tatsujin> my body is ready
  578. Nov 22 22:26:37 <cerger> So are there devs?
  579. Nov 22 22:30:10 <Soliloquy259> ^
  580. Nov 22 22:31:57 <tatsujin> there is a separate okapi dev channel i think
  581. Nov 22 22:32:09 <tatsujin> devs with php experience are highly sought after
  582. Nov 22 22:33:29 <theremin> we're probably gonna rally the devs when we get the site up.
  583. Nov 22 22:38:02 <shardz> Can we get a logo for the login screen?
  584. Nov 22 22:38:19 <shardz> Devs with real php experience are definitely sought after.
  585. Nov 22 22:38:27 <shardz> Or devs with web optimisation experience.
  586. Nov 22 22:39:45 <brethil> can we put a link in the topic? =)
  587. Nov 22 22:48:10 <shardz> Link to what?
  588. Nov 22 22:48:14 <shardz> The site that isn't ready yet? :P
  589. Nov 22 22:59:11 <btym> Is there even a site yet?
  590. Nov 22 22:59:12 <btym> :v
  591. Nov 22 22:59:46 <brethil> ooh
  592. Nov 22 22:59:51 <brethil> I thought we had something already
  593. Nov 22 22:59:56 <brethil> :P
  594. Nov 22 23:01:13 <btym> yo guys can i get an invite to okappy???? gonna be the next big tracker xddd
  595. Nov 22 23:02:09 <theremin> We officially have a site! It's just no one can visit it yet.
  596. Nov 22 23:02:18 <brethil> ok, then I'm not insane
  597. Nov 22 23:02:26 <brethil> I remember ending up on some webpage some time ago
  598. Nov 22 23:02:30 <brethil> with a what.cd-like login
  599. Nov 22 23:02:37 <brethil> saying that it wasn't a tracker
  600. Nov 22 23:02:41 <brethil> :P
  601. Nov 22 23:02:42 <theremin> that might have been brainwash?
  602. Nov 22 23:03:06 <btym> lmk if you want brainwash invites
  603. Nov 22 23:05:32 <theremin> Yeah, as of 15 minutes ago or so, the site works.
  604. Nov 22 23:05:50 <theremin> but things need to be cleaned up and deleted before people get on, so hopefully tomorrow
  605. Nov 22 23:14:17 <PowerInTheVerse_> Glad to hear it theremin!
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  613. Nov 23 12:46:27 * Topic for #okapi is: Absolutely no discussion about illegal activities.
  614. Nov 23 12:46:27 * Topic for #okapi set by theremin (Sat Nov 19 20:14:14 2016)
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  644. Nov 23 13:58:07 <shardz> We should be opening the site today if nothing goes wrong.
  645. Nov 23 13:58:21 <shardz> Just waiting on the other sysadmin to show up to do something only he has access to.
  646. Nov 23 13:59:40 <theremin> does anyone here want to work on the forum?
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  656. Nov 23 14:08:58 <theremin> [12:55] <@theremin> Would anyone here like to work on the forum for okapi?
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  659. Nov 23 14:13:45 <nreeek> do you mean creating it, or maintaining/moderating it?
  660. Nov 23 14:15:32 <theremin> yes.
  661. Nov 23 14:15:34 <theremin> :)
  662. Nov 23 14:16:13 <theremin> for now, creating it, and light moderating, since it'll probably just be admins,devs and tms for a while.
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  669. Nov 23 14:29:46 <theremin> crackas ass cracka
  670. Nov 23 14:29:58 <crackas> sup theremin
  671. Nov 23 14:30:19 <ShaxShax> I'd be up for helping in some way
  672. Nov 23 14:30:24 <theremin> evvvverything
  673. Nov 23 14:30:32 <theremin> oh, good.
  674. Nov 23 14:30:34 <crackas> is that good news?
  675. Nov 23 14:30:49 <crackas> (that everything is up)
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  678. Nov 23 14:32:36 <theremin> I just meant that there's like 6 different things going on.
  679. Nov 23 14:32:45 <theremin> We are officially up, but we can't invite yet.
  680. Nov 23 14:33:02 <theremin> Well...we can only manually add. Outgoing e-mails are disabled.
  681. Nov 23 14:34:12 <crackas> oh, cool
  682. Nov 23 14:34:23 <crackas> this is just for okapi, not another tracker, correct?
  683. Nov 23 14:35:22 <theremin> right
  684. Nov 23 14:35:26 <shardz> Correct.
  685. Nov 23 14:54:23 <Soliloquy> If there s a form ready to be filled in with release data I'd want to take a lok at it ASAP.
  686. Nov 23 14:55:23 <shardz> Not yet, but soon.
  687. Nov 23 14:58:41 <Hili> I'd like to sign up for okapi, also like to contribute with metadata
  688. Nov 23 14:59:14 <Hili> nice
  689. Nov 23 15:08:00 <theremin> Now is the time to tell me what sub forums you want on the forum
  690. Nov 23 15:09:13 <crackas> make one called 'smoking pot' but restrict it to discussions about burned food
  691. Nov 23 15:09:14 <crackas> :p
  692. Nov 23 15:09:22 <theremin> heh
  693. Nov 23 15:09:22 <crackas> just to confuse the power users
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  695. Nov 23 15:24:32 <Soliloquy> I GTG to work again ttyl
  696. Nov 23 15:25:14 <collut> have fun!
  697. Nov 23 15:25:15 <collut> lol
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  699. Nov 23 15:34:06 <ShaxShax> anyone creating lists, don't forget to edit out any instances of "artist 1 & artist 2"
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  708. Nov 23 15:54:12 <theremin> And/Or, put em on a separate list?
  709. Nov 23 15:58:55 <ShaxShax> could do, yes
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  764. Nov 23 18:50:52 <nreeek> i saw on what.chat that you are collecting lists of artists. i could provide one, i am constantly exporting the collection's metadata and should be easy to make a list of different artists. however, there may be variations of the names, which somehow could be interpreted as dupes but are not. would you be interested in curated lists, or not so curated would
  765. Nov 23 18:50:52 <nreeek> work as well?
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  767. Nov 23 18:52:13 <nreeek> i imagine that artist variations (let's say common typos) should also be gathered, in order to tie those to the proper one
  768. Nov 23 18:54:10 <theremin> I really think it would be best if people currated their own, since they are familiar, but we'll figure it out either way
  769. Nov 23 18:56:22 <nreeek> if you end up joining everybody's lists you'll get those multiple entries due to typos anyway...
  770. Nov 23 18:58:34 <nreeek> a couple of examples (even though these ones are main artist and featured artist):
  771. Nov 23 18:58:52 <nreeek> Aerosmith
  772. Nov 23 18:58:53 <nreeek> Aerosmith Featuring Sierra Leone's Refugee All Stars
  773. Nov 23 18:58:53 <nreeek> Aerosmith/Sierra Leone's Refugee All Stars
  774. Nov 23 18:59:32 <theremin> that shit just gets deleted for now.
  775. Nov 23 18:59:36 <theremin> anything with multiple artists
  776. Nov 23 19:00:01 <nreeek> would they work like this for the purpose, or you'd rather have just one entry for aerosmith, and another por sierra leone's refugee all stars?
  777. Nov 23 19:00:13 <nreeek> ok, i got it
  778. Nov 23 19:00:17 <theremin> yeah, that's a later batch
  779. Nov 23 19:00:55 <nreeek> allright, i'll try to prepare a clean batch
  780. Nov 23 19:01:22 <mubydram> hrm I'll clean up my iPod list
  781. Nov 23 19:01:31 <mubydram> which means I need to clean those tags up anyway :P
  782. Nov 23 19:03:50 <theremin> anyone have dev skillz.
  783. Nov 23 19:04:40 <nreeek> i don't have dev skills, but i use to do these things in excel for my collection
  784. Nov 23 19:04:57 <mubydram> lol my artist list is 47 pages long
  785. Nov 23 19:05:30 <nreeek> rudimentary, i know, but there's no automation that i know that can do it without mistakes
  786. Nov 23 19:06:08 <nreeek> for example, some releases from beatport, write two artists separated with a comma
  787. Nov 23 19:06:13 <theremin> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxvXF6ZgFT_YT3h3cF9SemFPeWs?usp=sharing
  788. Nov 23 19:06:45 <theremin> the letter A: 490
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  794. Nov 23 19:07:24 <nreeek> watch out, this list has some entries writen like "surname, name"
  795. Nov 23 19:07:57 <theremin> yeah, we gotta figure that out too
  796. Nov 23 19:08:42 <nreeek> ok, so, in summary, you're after a clean and proper list, variations would be added later
  797. Nov 23 19:08:58 <nreeek> i think i can help with that
  798. Nov 23 19:09:43 <nreeek> besides providing some lists of my own as well
  799. Nov 23 19:11:15 <nreeek> one "trick" that i use in my exercises, to find dupes, is to replace controversial characters or expressions, strip the string from spaces, "The "s, and so on, trying to get a string that i can match and find variations
  800. Nov 23 19:11:25 <nreeek> it's not perfect, but helps
  801. Nov 23 19:12:09 <nreeek> a couple of examples:
  802. Nov 23 19:12:43 <nreeek> if i find "&" i replace it with "and"
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  804. Nov 23 19:13:25 <nreeek> that way i would match "simon & garfunkel" or "simon and garfunkel" as "simonandgarfunkel"
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  820. Nov 23 19:58:19 <shardz> Okay!
  821. Nov 23 19:58:22 <shardz> Who wants invites?
  822. Nov 23 19:58:33 <shardz> PM me or theremin your email
  823. Nov 23 20:08:44 <libussa> mememe
  824. Nov 23 20:08:54 <libussa> what's your policy on proxies?
  825. Nov 23 20:10:50 <shardz> I mean, there's no feasible way to stop you afaik.
  826. Nov 23 20:11:08 <shardz> I mean maybe known public ones that announce they're a proxy to us we could ban.
  827. Nov 23 20:11:13 <shardz> But if you like, ssh forward your traffic...
  828. Nov 23 20:11:57 <kornkid5622> is there any reason to disallow them since it's not a tracker anyway?
  829. Nov 23 20:12:12 <shardz> I expect there's going to be less motivation for abuse.
  830. Nov 23 20:12:19 <libussa> hopefully
  831. Nov 23 20:12:22 <shardz> So I think our official stance on them right now is to shrug at you.
  832. Nov 23 20:12:36 <libussa> are you giving editing privs to everyone?
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  835. Nov 23 20:17:33 <theremin> no.
  836. Nov 23 20:17:36 <theremin> and no editing yet
  837. Nov 23 20:17:52 <theremin> we're still testing
  838. Nov 23 20:17:59 <shardz> We are?
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  840. Nov 23 20:18:47 <tatsujin> i just notified users in the main TM channel
  841. Nov 23 20:19:22 <nreeek> well i could join, the process went fine, and the site looks veeery familiar
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  848. Nov 23 20:27:54 <kornkid5622> so what is the plan for the okapi forums? are we planning to use them for general chat kind of stuff or just okapi related stuff?
  849. Nov 23 20:28:11 <theremin> well, we need to figure out what's up with whatmanager, and the artist project before we start adding a bunch of stuff
  850. Nov 23 20:28:27 <theremin> forums are almost exactly the same.
  851. Nov 23 20:29:42 <kornkid5622> yeah i'm just wondering if i should start reposting some popular threads or what
  852. Nov 23 20:29:54 <kornkid5622> i also only really posted in the technology forum so other places idk lol
  853. Nov 23 20:30:16 <theremin> There's a technology thread in there.
  854. Nov 23 20:30:43 <tatsujin> i think it would be nice to continue a few former threads
  855. Nov 23 20:30:47 <mainroad> Kornkid..get a foobar thread started ;)
  856. Nov 23 20:30:51 <theremin> please wait one more hour for okapi invites.
  857. Nov 23 20:30:55 <theremin> Gotta talk to shardz first
  858. Nov 23 20:31:02 <kornkid5622> mainroad that was at the top of the list haha
  859. Nov 23 20:31:42 <kornkid5622> i'll repost my foobar config, i'd love if we got back some of the others that were posted i always loved looking at peoples setups
  860. Nov 23 20:31:48 <mainroad> Haha I've missed the old one
  861. Nov 23 20:32:13 <mainroad> Didn't post in it a lot but found it very useful
  862. Nov 23 20:33:12 <theremin> who got in so far?
  863. Nov 23 20:33:21 <brethil> me
  864. Nov 23 20:33:23 <tatsujin> me
  865. Nov 23 20:33:38 <theremin> can you forward me the e-mail you received.
  866. Nov 23 20:33:57 <theremin> Also, am I wrong, but when you joined you clicked a box that said you will follow the rules, but there are no rules?
  867. Nov 23 20:34:14 <tatsujin> forward you where?
  868. Nov 23 20:34:18 <brethil> "I will read the rules"
  869. Nov 23 20:34:21 <tatsujin> to an email addy or pm?
  870. Nov 23 20:34:23 <theremin> livemp3s@gmail.com
  871. Nov 23 20:35:09 <tatsujin> sent
  872. Nov 23 20:35:35 <theremin> My head hurts.
  873. Nov 23 20:35:44 <theremin> I guess we can push a notification to people later, right?
  874. Nov 23 20:36:17 <theremin> next question, what happens when you click Upload? Does it work for you guys?
  875. Nov 23 20:36:54 <kornkid5622> theremin yes
  876. Nov 23 20:36:59 <kornkid5622> the upload page loads
  877. Nov 23 20:37:02 <nreeek> it gets you to the upload page
  878. Nov 23 20:37:07 <tatsujin> yes
  879. Nov 23 20:37:37 <brethil> but you have no place to upload the torrent
  880. Nov 23 20:37:39 <theremin> ok, don't upload anything. It forces torrents, which aren't hidden yet, and we might end up with data needing to be overwritten
  881. Nov 23 20:37:44 <brethil> thankfully I guess
  882. Nov 23 20:37:47 <theremin> we did two.
  883. Nov 23 20:37:49 <theremin> https://okapi.media/torrents.php?id=2
  884. Nov 23 20:37:52 <kornkid5622> and yeah it makes you click 3 boxes, agree to read the rules, read the wiki, and age>13
  885. Nov 23 20:37:52 <brethil> I'm not touching anything so far
  886. Nov 23 20:38:07 <theremin> but, We need to wait a bit.
  887. Nov 23 20:38:17 <tatsujin> i clicked upload, tells me: Please enter at least one main artist
  888. Nov 23 20:38:36 <theremin> I'm waiting to find out if we can add anything, or if we need to input from whatmanager first
  889. Nov 23 20:38:42 <fulltext> email went to spam folder
  890. Nov 23 20:39:04 <tatsujin> what email host fulltext?
  891. Nov 23 20:39:16 <theremin> I think we need to have the no torrent/illegal content notice, potentially in the E-mail AND on the sign-in sheet.
  892. Nov 23 20:39:31 <fulltext> hotmail
  893. Nov 23 20:39:34 <tatsujin> i agree
  894. Nov 23 20:39:55 <tatsujin> i think we can remove the selling/trading invites part from the mail
  895. Nov 23 20:40:27 <tatsujin> then only the IRC channel info needs to be added
  896. Nov 23 20:40:29 <theremin> https://okapi.media/forums.php?action=viewforum&forumid=7
  897. Nov 23 20:40:49 <tatsujin> ha
  898. Nov 23 20:40:51 <theremin> start putting shit there if possible.
  899. Nov 23 20:40:53 <tatsujin> good
  900. Nov 23 20:41:21 <theremin> it's officially time to use the site instead of IRC.
  901. Nov 23 20:41:27 <theremin> Who doesn't have an invite and wants one?
  902. Nov 23 20:41:41 * mainroad raises hand
  903. Nov 23 20:42:03 <theremin> ok, you understand not to upload and not to post about shit you aren't supposed to.send me your e-mail
  904. Nov 23 20:42:21 <mainroad> Will do
  905. Nov 23 20:43:02 <theremin> ok. I see a Mass PM and a Global Notification tool, so I feel a little better.
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  918. Nov 23 20:46:29 <tatsujin> how about we get quick site news out there with a welcome and reminder to not talk about 'those things' and what to do/not to do for now? theremin
  919. Nov 23 20:46:47 <tatsujin> straight to the homepage of okapi
  920. Nov 23 20:47:19 <theremin> I haven't used gazelle, so I'm trying to figure out where things are
  921. Nov 23 20:47:33 <tatsujin> alright
  922. Nov 23 20:47:56 <libussa> what are you looking for theremin ?
  923. Nov 23 20:48:12 <tatsujin> site news post
  924. Nov 23 20:48:24 <libussa> in the toolbox?
  925. Nov 23 20:49:38 <libussa> I think
  926. Nov 23 20:51:53 <tatsujin> do we have an irc server somewhere not on p2p-net for okapi?
  927. Nov 23 20:52:33 <theremin> not yet
  928. Nov 23 20:52:38 <numnumjuice> why does everyone want to spread servers always?
  929. Nov 23 20:52:50 <shardz> I am strongly in favour of just using p2p-net.
  930. Nov 23 20:53:04 <shardz> It's one less thing to have go wrong.
  931. Nov 23 20:53:04 <libussa> yeah a single network is enough
  932. Nov 23 20:53:18 <tatsujin> we are against filesharing and such, having an irc channel on p2p?
  933. Nov 23 20:53:34 <nreeek> i got to go, it's 3am on my clock, i'll send the list tomorrow. have a nice kick off!
  934. Nov 23 20:53:50 <tatsujin> good night!
  935. Nov 23 20:54:58 <tatsujin> we as in okapi
  936. Nov 23 20:55:42 * theremin is now known as theremin_away
  937. Nov 23 20:57:33 <mainroad> I get a pop up notification saying "an android app is available for what.cd. would you like to download it?" When I visit the site on mobile
  938. Nov 23 20:57:50 <kornkid5622> lol
  939. Nov 23 20:57:56 <tatsujin> :D
  940. Nov 23 20:58:06 <mainroad> I wish I could :'(
  941. Nov 23 20:58:10 <kornkid5622> can we use the what android app for okapi?
  942. Nov 23 20:58:21 <kornkid5622> probably could with minimal changes lol
  943. Nov 23 20:58:26 <numnumjuice> ^^^it will have to be forked
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  946. Nov 23 20:59:33 <MADindustries> just use find and replace
  947. Nov 23 20:59:34 <MADindustries> done
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  954. Nov 23 21:23:03 <theremin_away> guys. no joke.
  955. Nov 23 21:23:17 <theremin_away> I went upstairs and my kids were doing water paint, and there was an okapi out.
  956. Nov 23 21:24:13 <theremin_away> http://imgur.com/a/nIf0w
  957. Nov 23 21:24:43 <tatsujin_> :D
  958. Nov 23 21:27:43 <gaslight> is that water paint
  959. Nov 23 21:27:48 <gaslight> interesting
  960. Nov 23 21:29:29 <kornkid5622> lol there's already a disabled user on okapi
  961. Nov 23 21:30:48 <tatsujin_> ratrio cheating
  962. Nov 23 21:30:51 <tatsujin_> *ratio
  963. Nov 23 21:31:14 <kornkid5622> ∞ wasn't enough i guess
  964. Nov 23 21:32:50 <kornkid5622> afk putting my 500mb upload into requests
  965. Nov 23 21:32:54 <kornkid5622> (not really though)
  966. Nov 23 21:33:48 <kornkid5622> haha they did remove the create a request button :)
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  971. Nov 23 22:10:24 <m0ngk> o/
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  973. Nov 23 22:13:46 <shardz> \o
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  976. Nov 23 22:34:29 <Soliloquy> o/
  977. Nov 23 22:35:21 <theremin_away> \m/
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  980. Nov 23 22:47:53 <theremin> What should I put in the topic? No...piracy talk?
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  982. Nov 23 22:53:55 <gaslight> https://github.com/ukdtom/plex2csv.bundle/wiki
  983. Nov 23 22:54:00 <gaslight> way to export plex data to csv
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  985. Nov 23 23:38:14 <Soliloquy> did okapi just go down?
  986. Nov 23 23:40:20 <theremin> not working for me.
  987. Nov 23 23:43:42 <Soliloquy> :|
  988. Nov 23 23:43:43 <mainroad> Same here. "Something was wrong with your request, and the server is refusing to fulfill it."
  989. Nov 23 23:43:50 <theremin> rule #3. Don't break the site
  990. Nov 23 23:44:18 <Soliloquy> Welp I'll come bck tommorow, maybe later tonight gonna go lay down after stressful day at work.
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  992. Nov 23 23:58:11 * theremin has changed the topic to: Okapi: DOWN.
  993. Nov 23 23:58:37 <shardz> We ran out of memory.
  994. Nov 23 23:58:49 <shardz> (We had under-provisioned it while we were setting up.)
  995. Nov 23 23:59:02 <shardz> And the provider's web interface is hanging on letting me update it.
  996. Nov 23 23:59:03 * shardz shrugs
  997. Nov 23 23:59:10 <shardz> There we go.
  998. Nov 23 23:59:34 <theremin> wheee! you're the best
  999. Nov 24 00:00:03 <shardz> I was about 90 seconds from going to bed, I had muted my phone 30 minutes ago. :P
  1000. Nov 24 00:00:39 * theremin has changed the topic to: Okapi: UP. NO torrent talk.
  1001. Nov 24 00:01:43 <theremin> Thinking about posting in PtP about okapi, especially looking for devs, so this is probably about to get a lot more public.
  1002. Nov 24 00:02:06 <shardz> Ugh.
  1003. Nov 24 00:02:11 <theremin> no?
  1004. Nov 24 00:02:21 <PowerInTheVerse_> If the publicity concerns you, consider putting out the call for devs without mentioning the site?
  1005. Nov 24 00:02:50 <PowerInTheVerse_> If you post the URL somewhere public in PTP it'll probably be on reddit by morning
  1006. Nov 24 00:04:33 <theremin> Which is fine, we can all go to #legazelle if you want "insiders" discussion
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  1008. Nov 24 00:07:37 * theremin has changed the topic to: Okapi: DOWN. (up soon). NO torrent talk.
  1009. Nov 24 00:09:16 <shardz> Oh, that was in reaction to somtehing else.
  1010. Nov 24 00:09:33 <shardz> But I echo PowerInTheVerse_'s concerns.
  1011. Nov 24 00:10:02 <shardz> Don't spread around the URL until we're really confident it runs super well.
  1012. Nov 24 00:10:15 <theremin> the ugh was about something else.
  1013. Nov 24 00:10:34 <theremin> well, people can't get on, right?
  1014. Nov 24 00:10:47 <theremin> I guess I can have them PM me on PtP
  1015. Nov 24 00:11:45 <shardz> I mean right now our site is very secure against DDoS or any other attack. ;)
  1016. Nov 24 00:12:54 <fluppy> would it be in your interests to set the channel here to +s for secret?
  1017. Nov 24 00:16:12 <the_researcher> question re: metadata import to okapi: will it be limited to WM2 instances, or could individuals process their flac libraries locally with the metaflac tool (via --export-tags-to=FILE), and upload the data for processing?
  1018. Nov 24 00:18:29 <theremin> I was HOPING that #okapi would be a doorstop for people that want to use the site, and actual users would have other channels to talk (random chat, editing, etc)
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  1021. Nov 24 00:30:03 * theremin has changed the topic to: Okapi: UP. NO torrent talk.
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  1032. Nov 24 01:17:22 <Soliloquy> I might have touched it.
  1033. Nov 24 01:17:38 <Soliloquy> Just testing something...
  1034. Nov 24 01:17:46 <Soliloquy> Feel free t delete it...
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  1055. Nov 24 03:17:44 <Mechazawa> did the channel name change from legalzelle?
  1056. Nov 24 03:18:18 <SiGTERM86_> seems that is the new name according to some doc on what.chat
  1057. Nov 24 03:18:27 <Mechazawa> link to the doc?
  1058. Nov 24 03:18:47 <Mechazawa> on the old doc I was listed as a dev/devops volenteer but I haven't heard a lot et
  1059. Nov 24 03:18:50 <Mechazawa> yet*
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  1062. Nov 24 03:20:07 <Mechazawa> ugh
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  1064. Nov 24 03:20:13 <Mechazawa> window manager crashed
  1065. Nov 24 03:20:39 <Mechazawa> is there a dev channel yet?
  1066. Nov 24 03:22:29 <Mechazawa> What steps have been taken so far?
  1067. Nov 24 03:22:51 <collut> Gazelle works now
  1068. Nov 24 03:23:04 <Mechazawa> ew are we realy gonna use gazelle?
  1069. Nov 24 03:23:22 <collut> What do you suggest we do instead?
  1070. Nov 24 03:23:35 <Mechazawa> build something from the ground up
  1071. Nov 24 03:23:46 <Mechazawa> from what I can gather the project isn't that large code base wise
  1072. Nov 24 03:24:04 <Mechazawa> and gazelle is known for it's buggyness, terrible/sloppy backend code, etc
  1073. Nov 24 03:24:11 <collut> That would take time though, this is something to get up and running fast sort of
  1074. Nov 24 03:24:38 <Mechazawa> for now we can use gazelle to start with and migrate to a new platform later
  1075. Nov 24 03:24:40 <collut> But if you think we can build something from the ground up in a relatively short amount of time
  1076. Nov 24 03:24:50 <Mechazawa> 1 month
  1077. Nov 24 03:24:51 <collut> Yeah that's kind of the idea
  1078. Nov 24 03:24:58 <collut> Start off, then move
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  1091. Nov 24 05:02:00 <nreeek> quick thoughts about the reconstruction (probably already taken into account but just in case...)
  1092. Nov 24 05:03:08 <theremin> I was totally about to go to bed, but now I'm waiting
  1093. Nov 24 05:03:12 <nreeek> the amount of work just to clean up the db can be enormous
  1094. Nov 24 05:03:15 <nreeek> we need tools like yadg integrated, or as an extension
  1095. Nov 24 05:03:28 <nreeek> and others that we may shape according to need
  1096. Nov 24 05:03:30 <theremin> clean it up?
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  1099. Nov 24 05:36:02 <nreeek> sorry to keep you up. i am at work and just got caught when i was writing:/
  1100. Nov 24 05:36:13 <nreeek> we talk later
  1101. Nov 24 05:38:24 <theremin> not your fault, I'm still a little amped up
  1102. Nov 24 05:40:57 <nreeek> yadg was great to save time by pre-filling release forms (we all used it big time, i guess)
  1103. Nov 24 05:41:53 <nreeek> in this new endeavour, having that would be great, but not just for releases, it would be helpful for artists as well
  1104. Nov 24 05:42:22 <nreeek> imagine you are working on an artist page
  1105. Nov 24 05:42:59 * collut is now known as collut-away
  1106. Nov 24 05:43:18 <nreeek> you begin by loading info from: discogs, last.fm, musicbrainz, wikipedia
  1107. Nov 24 05:44:40 <nreeek> the you have some sort of tools, checks, whatever, to quickly (or as quickly as possible) validate this from here, that from there... and finally, save artist profile
  1108. Nov 24 05:45:05 <nreeek> first word was "then" not "the"
  1109. Nov 24 05:46:29 <nreeek> the information that an "artist yadg" would need to gather would be different, of course
  1110. Nov 24 05:47:17 <nreeek> for example, aliases, years active, main genre-subgenre, side projects,...
  1111. Nov 24 05:47:41 <nreeek> idk if i'm going a bit over the top by suggesting this
  1112. Nov 24 05:49:18 <nreeek> but bottom line is, worki g metadata is painful and any tool we can figure out to help in the task is crucial since it would speed it up and make the work done much
  1113. Nov 24 05:49:23 <nreeek> ups sorry
  1114. Nov 24 05:49:34 <nreeek> that went out half written
  1115. Nov 24 05:50:39 <nreeek> (continued) would make work much easier to cope with and would be more consolidated from the first attempt
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  1125. Nov 24 08:54:49 <Soliloquy> nreeek, scans or infor from the rec. co / ands webpage would be the only official sources.
  1126. Nov 24 08:56:18 <nreeek> really? i missed some pieces of information then 😓
  1127. Nov 24 09:01:28 <Soliloquy> I forget where we were talking about it this converstion is skewed everywhere\
  1128. Nov 24 09:01:36 <Soliloquy> I think in the legazelle pad
  1129. Nov 24 09:02:28 <Soliloquy> We decided the only way to 100% cornfim information to be acurate is scans. But they aren't necessary for every upload, just if we wanted some 100% entry thing
  1130. Nov 24 09:03:08 <tatsujin_> we should break up the pad in different suggestions and put them into the suggestion forum
  1131. Nov 24 09:03:19 <tatsujin_> to get this organized a bit
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  1133. Nov 24 10:02:24 <tatsujin_> jerrcs, can i PM you?
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  1135. Nov 24 10:05:19 <nreeek> well a scan may be proof that data is as much accurate as possible for a given release, but 1) the scanned image won't translate by itself to the db; 2) as a community we would feed the db with additional, useful details that are not on the scan, and 3) i was talking about artist profiles 😅
  1136. Nov 24 10:19:12 <tatsujin_> i think data input via some sort of tool is a good idea
  1137. Nov 24 10:19:38 <tatsujin_> re the 100% score, what i meant when i wrote is that we would score an entry based on how much data has been input
  1138. Nov 24 10:20:02 <tatsujin_> only album name + tracklist 80% (example)
  1139. Nov 24 10:20:13 <tatsujin_> including cover 90 %
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  1144. Nov 24 10:41:53 <nreeek> that score would help point out incomplete releases that need some love (okapi.media/better.php :))
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  1146. Nov 24 10:47:26 <numnumjuice> i got in a habbit later on of adding cat numbers to my folders
  1147. Nov 24 10:48:01 <numnumjuice> i wanted to create txt files in the folders for every downloading documenting known ifnfo but sadly never got to that
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  1150. Nov 24 10:50:34 <kornkid5622> not gonna post a bug report since i'm not sure if it's intended or not but all users can post in the news section on okapi, figured it's probably meant to be announcement only but maybe this is intended?
  1151. Nov 24 10:53:13 <tatsujin_> exactly nreeek :)
  1152. Nov 24 10:55:44 <nreeek> someday these tasks as the one numnumjuice describes, could be driven from okapi to our files with the accuracy we've all dreamed
  1153. Nov 24 10:56:07 * collut-away is now known as collut
  1154. Nov 24 11:01:11 <tatsujin_> yes!
  1155. Nov 24 11:01:20 <tatsujin_> really looking forward
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  1162. Nov 24 12:31:31 <jerrcs> tatsujin_: sure
  1163. Nov 24 12:32:12 <SuperPhly> Can someone publicly or privately give me a quick run down of what okapi is?
  1164. Nov 24 12:32:16 <theremin> yeah. I just said, "a musicbrainz that actually works".
  1165. Nov 24 12:32:40 <theremin> It's just a gazelle driven site for music metadata.
  1166. Nov 24 12:32:47 <SuperPhly> Just meta?
  1167. Nov 24 12:32:54 <theremin> It's what.cd, with the torrents stripped out, and increased functionality.
  1168. Nov 24 12:33:07 <SuperPhly> theremin : that's awesome.
  1169. Nov 24 12:33:23 <theremin> we're hoping to tap into legit sources like bandcamp, spotify, etc.
  1170. Nov 24 12:33:23 <SuperPhly> I've got 22k json files from WM2
  1171. Nov 24 12:33:43 <theremin> we need you to fill this out: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd6iRzd04_rHnzZjhGafMVT8n-8QVSphR9lXY8vP_WBb5RxYw/viewform
  1172. Nov 24 12:34:05 <SuperPhly> Done. A lot of my downloads are kinda old and got trumped
  1173. Nov 24 12:34:12 <SuperPhly> but it's a start.
  1174. Nov 24 12:34:20 <theremin> and then the creator of WM2, will probably contact you in a couple of days with how to get him the data, where he'll assemble it, and give it to us
  1175. Nov 24 12:34:53 <theremin> so....I might not totally understand how this works, but trumps are totally ok. We still get the metadata.
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  1177. Nov 24 12:38:56 <SuperPhly> theremin done.
  1178. Nov 24 12:39:22 <SuperPhly> My collection is a lot of psychedelic rock and drone/doom metal.
  1179. Nov 24 12:39:28 <SuperPhly> Not much FLAC.
  1180. Nov 24 12:40:14 <SuperPhly> theremin : are you in charge of okapi?
  1181. Nov 24 12:40:41 <SuperPhly> I'd like to make a request. We have a place to put in the hash for a release that would map to ipfs.
  1182. Nov 24 12:44:13 <theremin> We are definitely overflowing with stuff to do and add, but if your idea is just another field on the db, and a simple link on an album page, I would say hang on to it, and put it in the suggestions forum when the site opens up and everyone can bicker about it, like they love to do.
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  1184. Nov 24 12:47:33 <SuperPhly> Sounds great. I love this idea, btw. When will invites go out?
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  1186. Nov 24 12:49:11 <theremin> Not sure, we have a small staff now...There's nothing to do besides a forum, for..maybe a week?
  1187. Nov 24 12:49:32 <theremin> the place is seriously a mess right now, we have to finish stripping everything out that's irrelevant, etc.
  1188. Nov 24 12:50:18 * theremin is now known as theremin_gobble
  1189. Nov 24 12:53:48 <SuperPhly> theremin_gobble : if you need any help or want me to scrub data, I'd be glad to do so.
  1190. Nov 24 12:54:06 <SuperPhly> superphly@gmail
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  1202. Nov 24 13:41:35 <Hili> theremin, according to what.chat thread invites for okapi are open, can I get an invite?
  1203. Nov 24 13:42:23 <ShaxShax> Linna is being quoted on 4chan
  1204. Nov 24 13:43:19 <m0ngk> yeah a screenshot made it out into the wild
  1205. Nov 24 13:43:33 <Hili> link?
  1206. Nov 24 13:43:52 <m0ngk> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1480011988212.png
  1207. Nov 24 13:45:34 <Hili> thanks
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  1227. Nov 24 16:34:42 <euimyself> I saw the PTP thread. This is a really interesting project.
  1228. Nov 24 16:34:52 <euimyself> You could say it solves the real problem we've had.
  1229. Nov 24 16:38:26 <Takaji> I didn't know we had a site up for this project already?
  1230. Nov 24 16:39:20 <euimyself> I don't know much about it, just saw the thread by theremin
  1231. Nov 24 16:39:42 <euimyself> But the greatest loss with What.CD was the loss of all the metadata.
  1232. Nov 24 16:39:52 <Takaji> Agreed
  1233. Nov 24 16:39:57 <euimyself> And if you're going to have a central repository for that, then that's amazing.
  1234. Nov 24 16:40:47 <euimyself> In theory, that will make it *much* easier to put together new music trackers if needed.
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  1236. Nov 24 16:42:25 <euimyself> After what happened to What.CD, I was kind of thinking of scraping whichever website replaced it...
  1237. Nov 24 16:42:50 <euimyself> But this is a much better solution than that.
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  1240. Nov 24 16:51:41 <Takaji> theremin has requested we don't discuss trackers in the main chat, so I'll pm you
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  1242. Nov 24 16:52:09 <euimyself> Okay
  1243. Nov 24 16:57:02 <euimyself> Do we use this channel to discuss how Okapi might work from a technical standpoint?
  1244. Nov 24 17:00:06 <crackas> yes
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  1263. Nov 24 19:00:48 <euimyself> theremin, are you around?
  1264. Nov 24 19:01:14 <theremin> sort of.
  1265. Nov 24 19:01:21 <theremin> you can pm me
  1266. Nov 24 19:01:34 <euimyself> Great
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  1284. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 24 21:17:38 2016
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