OldSch00l: Pejoratives instead of argumentation

OldSch00l
I simply tell it how it is, no 'PC' as it were
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I can tell you what I DO believe, if you are interested
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OldSch00l
I believe that the American public has become ignorant and poorly educated to the point that the electorate is insufficiently capable of making decisions based on fact and reason
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and I ascribe this to a number of causes dating back decades
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OldSch00l: What's PC?
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I was watching the documentary on the Apollo 11 missions a little while back, and was taken by how everyone in it seemed articulate and informed, how they ceded decisions and positions to people who are experts in their fields
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OldSch00l: Are you are that almost all cultures have norms and restrictions on speech?
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The more a culture embraces evidence-based reasoning, the fewer restrictions they typically have.
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Right-wing culture features higher rates of authoritarianism and in-group v. out-group dynamics, with overall less appreciation of evidence-based reasoning.
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And consequently, as we observe, they feature *more* restrictions and norms on speech.
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About 98% of people who use the term PC, in my experience, are shockingly propagandized and believe it is a left-wing phenomenon.
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This is unbelievably bad folk-anthropology.
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Which makes sense the right does it as they don't believe in anthropology, as that's based off evidence and empathy.
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Which are anti-values for that community.
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So, yes, left-wing cultures features norms and restrictions on speech.
OldSch00l
there was a guest on Maher's show who I think put it very well - modern politics isn't as much about left vs right, as it is authoritarian vs democratic
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Right-wing cultures features many more.
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Agreed.
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Right-wing means authoritarian in the US after the 1964 political realignment.
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Almost all authoritarians are now in the GOP.
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I can show you the research.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YU9djt_CQM

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https://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
OldSch00l
I believe that the government should be a force for good in people's lives, and foster and protect an egalitarian society. I think many on the modern American right have completely lost touch with how the government benefits them to the point of delusion
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OldSch00l: The right fundamentally doesn't believe in modernity.
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This isn't generally discussed.
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Modernity is a leftist project.
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"I didn't join the military to get free healthcare, GI bill education, and housing assistance to DEFEND SOCIALISM"
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etc
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Modernity is founded on the notion that there should be non-authoritarian legal systems based off evidence that bind all members of society.
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This is anathema to the ways humans have typically organized themselves.
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The right has sort of shuffled along with modernity and democracy because they've had a large enough constituency where they could reasonably win, under democracy, for their authoritarian values.
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That is no longer the case, and so they've abandoned democracy.
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They're not coming back.
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They're never coming back.
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They were never with us.
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They are programmed by genetics, due to evolution, to see the values of equality and openness in modernity as THREATS.
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Our society doesn't talk about it because we have no solution for it in our universalism based democratic system.
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When systems don't know how to resolve fundamental problems, they don't acknowledge them.
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They hypernormalize and say that Trump is bad but the GOP is good. Or the GOP has temporary lost its mind -- it's a fluke, an aberration.
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It isn't.
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OldSch00l
I'm not sure where I stand on the biology or genetics of one's politics
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OldSch00l: The research is quite clear and strong.
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You can predict a person's politics quite accurately by asking them just a few questions about 'order' or parenting.
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Indicating politics is, for most people, expressions of their genetic nature.
OldSch00l
I would chalk that more up to the 'nurture' side of the spectrum
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That's not what the research seems to indicate.
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You can show a picture of a deformed circle to people ask them if it is a circle or not.
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If they say 'no', it's a strong predictor for right-wing politics.
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Right-wing minds feature stronger boundaries between concepts, which explains the circle, why they get upset about gender manipulation, and why they like physical borders between people.
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About 1/3 of humans are born authoritarians, it appears.
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This is a forever problem for our species.
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At ~1/3, it means if any substantial crisis occurs, a democratic society may put a dictator in charge, which can lead to catastrophic failure, especially with nuclear weapons and climate change.
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Clearly, we have to stop authoritarian people from guiding our civilization, but that violates the current foundation of 'universalism'.
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And so it's verboten and won't be implemented without substantial crisis, first.
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The problem is that in 2019, the levels of energy manipulation in our species are such that a crisis is now an existential threat to our species.
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So it's not clear we'll have a humanity left after the necessary crisis to provoke revolutionary change.
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Which is why I, personally, predict that our species will go extinct soonish, e.g. ~2100.
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Sucks.
OldSch00l
my brother has become increasingly radicalized, along those lines - impending crisis and revolution
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I guess I currently don;t see it
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he recently joined the Socialist Rifle Association
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and I have considered something similar, like the John Brown Gun Club
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but I like to think I am still an idealist
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and rumsfeld for 'healthcare'
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You have accused me of being radialized.
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Even though you've refuted none of my points.
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And I've cited a lot of research, which you've cited none.
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You also don't see a crisis or need for revolution.
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Even though Trump is president, the NRA decides gun policy, 60% of Americans have zero wealth, 50% of American's can't afford a $500 bill, life expectancy has dropped two years in a row, the leading party in the USA, the GOP, routinely gaslights in national television for which there are visual and audio rebuttals, and the GOP denies climate change is real, even though global scientists indicates we have less than
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12 years to make substantial, revolutionary changes to our energy production and consumption to avoid the worst effects of global increasing temperature.
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So, pray tell, what would a need for revolution look like if it isn't decreases in health of Americans, decreases in wealth, corruption of our elections via Russian propaganda (and other states), and a failure to acknowledge climate change which is equivalent to 1000-10000 Chernobyls.
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Radicalization is a literal pejorative.
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It's the textbook example.
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OldSch00l: I put you on ignore for 72 hours for your nonsense comment, given my high quality chat.
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Imagine bringing up the Socialist Rifle Association.
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Motherfuck -- like that's a player whatsoever in American politics.
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Fuck outta here.
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Me: Here's a combination of political science, philosophy, climate analysis, evolutionary psychology, and genetics research to give an extremely cogent argument using exceptional vocabulary, punctuation, and grammar, indicating a high verbal IQ.
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OldSch00l: I dunno, I can't really respond to a single piece of content you've shared, but it sounds radicalized to me.