kaniini, alynna, and awakendsoul arguement

<Alynna> I am pretty convinced that local energy transfer can and does occur.  Now whether you can do it to names on the interwebs, that i'm skeptical of.
<Nyx{Sioux}> AwakenedSoul, http://i.imgur.com/EtCaug9.gif
<kaniini> Alynna: i am more convinced on "push" instead of "pull" there
<AwakenedSoul> plus kan i'm more then likely draining you right now but not even doing it intentionally
<kaniini> i find that extremely unlikely
<Alynna> Please describe how this occurs.
<AwakenedSoul> thanks nyx XD
<Nyx{Sioux}> nah Alynna it's easy, just apply the law of association since energy isn't affected by physical limitations like distance. as long as you can mentally associate the name with the target, that gives you an in.
<Nyx{Sioux}> anyway blah blah mumbo jumbo
<toeclaws> that gif is all I ever wanted
<AwakenedSoul> ^ what he said
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: you forgot the obligatory [insert math here]
<Nyx{Sioux}> *numerology
<Nyx{Sioux}> sounds more magical
<kaniini> oh, right
<Alynna> except lots of people can have that name, you need more than that, you need a rapport with the person, and a common frame of reference
<AwakenedSoul> my tendrils have an infinite reach with the essence of pure energy
<Alynna> .......................................
<kaniini> so, here's my problem with people who claim to be "energy vampires"
<kaniini> i think really it is just a form of depression
<AwakenedSoul> enough about me already?
<kaniini> and i think confronting those depression issues is more productive than a pretend coping mechanism
<toeclaws> can your tendrils scratch that one spot on my back I can't get to? plsthx
<Nyx{Sioux}> oh and 5 left toeclaws
<Alynna> fuck it.   Folks, I am Firedash, the tri-gendered pyro fox.  I'm coming out.
<kaniini> also that
<AwakenedSoul> if thats what you believe then go ahead
<Alynna> cause why not
<toeclaws> desperation's setting in. I'm out of rations and the air is thinning
<kaniini> well i think my beliefs are quite strongly rooted in experiences that have consistently demonstrated it
<Nyx{Sioux}> kaniini, talk to Damarus when he's ever in.
<kaniini> it is not faith
<kaniini> it is reality
<AwakenedSoul> and exactly where are you to judge about what i am ?
<Alynna> the quest for truth is lost
* Egg_35051 is now known as Damarus
<Nyx{Sioux}> speak of the devil
<Damarus> Called?
<Nyx{Sioux}> peeps don't think energy vampires do real.
<toeclaws> You are probably in one of my many many mythological blindspots
<kaniini> this is different than actual energy working -- that's more of a *push* thing
<Nyx{Sioux}> I think you're over thinking it toe
<Nyx{Sioux}> lets go over what you know!
<Alynna> I'm going to go back to work on my blog
<kaniini> which blog
<AwakenedSoul> its fine if they don't believe what i am to be honest
<toeclaws> are you fae? is that the thing?
<Nyx{Sioux}> Has 2 legs, and opposible thumbs. can do magic and fly and transform. immortal, frome Ireland, Scotland and Brittan. Stories from all over the world though. Can eat chocolate.
<Nyx{Sioux}> oh hey didn't have to type that out at all.
<Nyx{Sioux}> yeppers.
<Nyx{Sioux}> resident fairy ass motherfucker.
<Alynna> http://true-otherkin.tumblr.com/ this one
<Nyx{Sioux}> :y also explains the games and tricks and riddles.
<kaniini> oh dear
<toeclaws> Get me a parade, I have achieved the impossible!
<kaniini> Alynna and you're reaching out to Tumblr for this project?
<Damarus> ... So what did you want me for o,o?
<kaniini> you must be trolling?
<AwakenedSoul> So Alynna you have "vampires accepted" but you have been judging me this whole time?
<Damarus> The only thing I saw her judging on was the "draining from distance" thing..
<AwakenedSoul> hi dam btw
<Nyx{Sioux}> Well some people here think you can't drain someone over the internet, and other people here think vampirism is from depression.
<Damarus> You can't just use a name, she was right, you have to build rapport, get a feel for the person over a bit.
<Nyx{Sioux}> or whatever.
<Nyx{Sioux}> really?
<Nyx{Sioux}> tsh I can just use a name.
<Nyx{Sioux}> it's *easier* to build a rapport but whateveh.
<Nyx{Sioux}> :y I also don't follow the rules much in that regard.
<kaniini> i see
<Damarus> Pictures I can do sorta easier, but through text I need a live posting of it
<AwakenedSoul> what rules?
<Nyx{Sioux}> idk no one told me the rules.
<Nyx{Sioux}> P:
<AwakenedSoul> Nyx what happens if you drain from me?
<Alynna> kaniini: not trolling.  I want there to be someplace on tumblr with some sense of rationality.  I can't keep just watching every day to the next person who says i'm 'x' from such and such a canon and I am so afraid to talk about myself because I am obviously a batshit insane fictionkin but I really want to find others from my canon so i can ship with them
<Damarus> ooh
<Nyx{Sioux}> what happens is you have less energy and are all sadface and tired.
<kaniini> "I want there to be someplace on tumblr with some sense of rationality."
<kaniini> that is the most hilarious shit i've read tonight ;)
<Nyx{Sioux}> from the fairy fox.
<Nyx{Sioux}> :D
<Nyx{Sioux}> :D:D:D
* Nyx{Sioux} sniggers
<Nyx{Sioux}> no I feel you though Alynna.
<AwakenedSoul> i like this chat and think its doing pretty good
<Nyx{Sioux}> There's a lot of bullshit otherkin people out there.
<toeclaws> Drain me, I'm going to a lana del rey concert and I want to get the mood right
<Alynna> theres almost nothing but bullshit anymore
<Alynna> and i'm tired of it
<Nyx{Sioux}> They don't know the difference between "relating to" something and "relating as" something.
<Alynna> this is what people are starting to think we ARE
<Nyx{Sioux}> well that's why you shouldn't use tumblr.
<AwakenedSoul> nyx i thought it was harder for you to drain from me?
<Nyx{Sioux}> nah why would it be?
<Damarus> Yeah pretty much any credibility goes when you start using tumblr i've seen..
<Nyx{Sioux}> It would be a dick move though.
* kaniini drains from everyone because it's all roleplay
<Damarus> Even if you make sense.. it's on tumblr?
<Damarus> Dont even bother.
<Nyx{Sioux}> is not kaniini.
<Nyx{Sioux}> :P
<AwakenedSoul> because of the different types like the warrior and such
<toeclaws> Alynna: if you get two mods please go by gatekeeper and keymaster
<Damarus> Tumblr itself has the reputation, it stains anything there.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Hell I let Damarus drain me a few times.
<kaniini> riiiiight
<Nyx{Sioux}> Why would I lie about that?
<Nyx{Sioux}> I don't have a horse in this race.
<AwakenedSoul> kan i'm not a roleplayer and i take this very seriously and that is why i'm on this chat in the first place
<Nyx{Sioux}> Besides, he, like myself, do as much as we can to prevent frontloading.
<Nyx{Sioux}> which is mad props.
* Damarus is a hypnotist. Specifically words anything I do with others to avoid any suggestive language.
<kaniini> 00:59:52       AwakenedSoul │ my tendrils have an infinite reach with the essence of pure energy
<kaniini> you're not roleplaying?
<AwakenedSoul> exactly
<Damarus> ... Technically correct but worded fluffily.
<kaniini> technically by whose claim?
<Damarus> Distance isn't really a detriment.
<AwakenedSoul> kan if you keep bashing on me i will have you reported
<kaniini> it's not???
<Damarus> With energywork, no. You can still do stuff long distance.. *well, it can be a detriment, but doesnt make it impossible*
<AwakenedSoul> i do not appreciate being hated on by some random person
<Alynna> distance has nothing to do with it, but familiarity does
<kaniini> you seem very defensive for someone who is "not roleplaying"
<Damarus> AS, He hates energywork conversation in general. Seeing someone say things in a way that looks like they just dropped out of discworld doesn't help criticism..
<Damarus> Js.
<Nyx{Sioux}> ok kaniini think about it like this. if metaphysics is stuff that goes and works outside of physics, why would it be bound by physical laws?
<AwakenedSoul> this is supposed to be a community and not some where to keep accusing someone of faking or roleplaying what they are
<Damarus> Let's just chill for a bit..
<Nyx{Sioux}> ^
<Nyx{Sioux}> let's be coolbros
* Nyx{Sioux} passes out joints to the class
<kaniini> Damarus: no i am quite willing to have a real conversation about metaphysics.  things are not "true" because _______ says so, even in metaphysics.
<Nyx{Sioux}> so. I got paid to eat sandwiches. That was cool.
<AwakenedSoul> i will be cool if i was being hated on
<Nyx{Sioux}> what cool thing happened to you lately AwakenedSoul?
<Damarus> I never said that's the case, but from observation and experience i believe it to be the case.
<kaniini> for the record I find Damarus's view on distance to be more accurate than Alynna's
<kaniini> i do not think, for example, you could drain a theoretical martian on mars
<Nyx{Sioux}> ... they are the same view tho...
<Damarus> Familiarity does help with repeat connections.
<kaniini> (even if you knew them)
<Damarus> Or even a first connection..
<Alynna> there is a balance, you can't just claim anything is possible, and when you say you have infinite reach I don't think you have a concept of what 'infinite' is
<AwakenedSoul> i beat justin in 2 rounds when we were sparing
<Nyx{Sioux}> like I said, if it's not working within physical realms, why would it be limited by physical things like distance?
<Nyx{Sioux}> who is justin?
<kaniini> "sparring"
<Damarus> It would be interesting to see if there was an actual limit before anything like that would work..
<AwakenedSoul> i was doing a metaphor alynna omg would you lay off me already
<kaniini> Damarus: well i theorize that distance does matter because, for example
<AwakenedSoul> justin is one of my friends at my boxing gym
<Damarus> But, I know at least from UK to US works with me at least. So.. idk what distance
<kaniini> you and i, everyone here
<Nyx{Sioux}> oh nice.
<kaniini> we're on the same planet
<kaniini> so we're interconnected that way
* Damarus nods
<kaniini> and that's an explanation which makes sense
<Damarus> But, seeing as i dont know any aliens to test with :P
<kaniini> well
<Damarus> We're a bit limited as to wtf's the case beyond earth
<kaniini> i hear SpaceX is working on it
<Nyx{Sioux}> If you can think it you can do it. Buuut it's surprising to what limitations you find in your own mind.
<kaniini> give it about 10 years ;)
<Alynna> no, I will not.  And please do report me.  If we allow every single claim to just float off without some form of substantiation then anyone can claim anything and we will be just another self-affirming circlejerk like most every other otherkin board out there
<kaniini> Damarus: well, an experiment that could be done
<Nyx{Sioux}> Alynna, don't you think that your anger at the people who are giving otherkin a bad name on tumblr might be clouding your perspective in this instance?
<AwakenedSoul> wow alynna then you must have nothing else better to do with your time
<kaniini> is say
<Nyx{Sioux}> who dropped a ball of rage in here srsly.
<kaniini> put someone up in the ISS right
<Damarus> Honestly I was thinking of how to use a probe with solar sails
<kaniini> are they still "connected"
<Damarus> And something like a biodome with a plant in it
<AwakenedSoul> i barely logged in here and started being hated on so its not me who caused this
<Damarus> Also could try it with an organism that was created while out of earth's orbit
<Damarus> Idk if it'd make a difference because it still originated from earth but.. idk
<kaniini> sure, whatever test you want
<kaniini> the control is that it's not in the atmosphere
<AwakenedSoul> its been kan and alynna bashing me since i got on
<Nyx{Sioux}> Yeah, I think things just escalated. One of the things mods should do is try to keep things from escalating, rather than exacerbating the situation. We have to let a few unsubstantiated claims slide in here, this *is* an otherkin chat after all.
<Damarus> It'd all depend on how energy is really "moved"
<Nyx{Sioux}> I mean
<Nyx{Sioux}> cmon.
<kaniini> no we don't
<Nyx{Sioux}> look at me.
<Nyx{Sioux}> cmon.
<Alynna> i can honestly see where this community is moving..
<Nyx{Sioux}> I'm a grown ass man claiming to be an ookie spookie fairy with a monster girlfriend like spirit thing.
<Nyx{Sioux}> smon.
<Nyx{Sioux}> I am ridiculous.
<AwakenedSoul> then why stay here if you think its so bad?
<kaniini> Alynna: right, that's why i do not really invest much time in this anymore
<Alynna> mmm...
<kaniini> Damarus: so anyway, i have a bit of a disposable income
<Damarus> In a 0 atmosphere in space.. if there would be no contaniminats. Are there atoms?
<kaniini> Damarus: so i mean, launching a plant in a cubesat
<kaniini> is probably doable
<AwakenedSoul> you know what i'm not gonna even address this anymore i'm just gonna talk to nyx and dam
<Damarus> Hm..
<Nyx{Sioux}> Look, you want the community to be better, be the change you want to see in the world. Have rational thinking, sure, but dn't be the opposite of that and be so uptight that you aren't willing to accept other people's opinions and beliefs.
<Damarus> I think first of all a control closer to earth might be better
<Nyx{Sioux}> :P for as long as I am on anyway.
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: i'm willing to accept views that make sense
<Damarus> Say, you have a selection of plants. Send me the pictures for the one you want drained..
<Alynna> I've already had to relax standards more than I am comfortable with
<Nyx{Sioux}> no see, there's "accept" and "subscribe to"
<Damarus> I drain it, leave the others as control. Have it in the same conditions otherwise, measured water, nutrients, sunlighht levels etc.
<Damarus> See if there's any degregation of health.
<Nyx{Sioux}> You can be accepting of anything as long as it's not bigoted or whatever. You don't have to believe in it.
<AwakenedSoul> this is obviously not about me and more about yourselves it sounds like and your own issues
<kaniini> no, you can't, because it degrades the standard if there is no enforcement
<Alynna> this is about more fluff coming into the community
<Damarus> The only annoying thing is the variables of the person doing the draining.
<Nyx{Sioux}> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We're all a little fluffy
<kaniini> unfortunately right now i am not set up for that experiment ;)
<kaniini> because i have these things called "cats"
<Nyx{Sioux}> Look, there is no reason that you should expect everyone to conform to your personal worldview.
<Nyx{Sioux}> especially in a public chat.
<Damarus> Hell.. I've done, experienced etc.. a lot of things that would be considered "fluffy" to "fucking stupid" etc.. .. i tend just not to talk about them.
<AwakenedSoul> exactly
<Nyx{Sioux}> You don't believe in something? Fine. Just don't be a jackass.
<Damarus> Mostly because I realise it sounds like total horseshit and prefer to just save myself the time.
<Nyx{Sioux}> If you are a mod you should only care about jackass behavior, not if someone is "right" or not.
<AwakenedSoul> that is what i've been trying to say
<Nyx{Sioux}> You can argue against what you think is incorrect *without* being a jerk about it.
<Damarus> agreed on nyx a little there also
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: sure, and we should also be "accepting" of Hitler's ingenious use of Zyklon B and Prussian Blue, right?
<Damarus> Yay goodwin's law
<kaniini> godwin
<Nyx{Sioux}> Did I not just say earlier about how you shouldn't accept bigoted things?
<kaniini> get it right :P
<Nyx{Sioux}> oh yeah
<Nyx{Sioux}> I did.
<AwakenedSoul> good think nyx is here
<Nyx{Sioux}> so read.
<Damarus> Im stoned and sleep deprived, fuckit
<AwakenedSoul> thing*
<Alynna> I believe that there are truths behind all these things, our identities, our natures, about magick.  I believe it is real, and it has to be treated with respect
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: the problem is.
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: the otherkin equivilant of that is bullshitting
<Nyx{Sioux}> so?
<Nyx{Sioux}> Argue against bullshit
<Nyx{Sioux}> just do it without being a prick
<AwakenedSoul> so you think we are all full of bull shit kan?
<Alynna> and people aren't doing that, they are just appropriating otherkin to cover anything they want to come up with
<kaniini> i think you are
<Nyx{Sioux}> If you don't believe in something someone else does, you can ask questions about it. "Why do you believe that?" "How did you get to that conclusion?"
<Nyx{Sioux}> If they are bullshit that stuff makes them fall apart.
<kaniini> been there, done that
<Alynna> and they are changing otherkin to the point where the word no longer has a meaning
<Nyx{Sioux}> If they aren't bullshit people can answer them.
<kaniini> after 12 years of this shit, it escalates
<kaniini> what can i say
<Nyx{Sioux}> That's not an excuse.
<Nyx{Sioux}> There is no excuse for that behavior.
<Damarus> Look.. Kan has a right to think it's BS. We have a right to think it's not. BOTH sides have the right to answer questions. Both sides also reserve the right not to if they really don't want to, Although it may look bad on their arguement if met with massive defensiveness. It doesn't necessarily make them bullshitting.
<Nyx{Sioux}> You can fight the bullshit without being an asshole.
<Damarus> Being critical is good.
<AwakenedSoul> Alynna your upset about something else entirely and it has nothing to do with me so don't drag me into your hissy fit about bullshit roleplayers
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: i can, i choose not to.
<Damarus> But you can attack an arguement or a viewpoint, without attacking the person
<Nyx{Sioux}> Then the mods should do something about you.
<Alynna> I am not even saying its BS.  I am saying that I want an explanation.
<AwakenedSoul> no i don't have to explain shit to someone like you
<Nyx{Sioux}> Ok well Alynna I gave a few explanations as to how it would work.
<Damarus> AS, this isnt helping.
<Nyx{Sioux}> and how I have done it.
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: no.  the explanation should come from them
<Damarus> Just chill for a second.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Why?
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: they are the claimant
<Nyx{Sioux}> I hold the same opinion and I also have made the claim.
<AwakenedSoul> i have the right to not explain to someone if i don't want to
<Nyx{Sioux}> therefore I can defend it as well.
<Nyx{Sioux}> phrasing tho.
<Damarus> It just doesn't help your case for looking fluffy if you make an outragous claim and then leave it there.
<Damarus> If it's a question that's sensible.. There's also nothing wrong with going "I don't know"
<Nyx{Sioux}> how about we treat each other like... not assholes... and like decent (non)human beings?
<Alynna> if you aren't willing to give an explanation, then how can anyone ever believe what you say?  Are we supposed to take you at your word?  All I have asked for this time is to explain how that would work, in a way that is plausible
<Damarus> There's a lot of shit with energywork which is really fucking hard to know.
<Damarus> It's not going to surprise anyone if someone doesnt know shit.
<Nyx{Sioux}> I did, you just didn't pay attention.
<Nyx{Sioux}> You were too worked up.
<Nyx{Sioux}> :/
<Nyx{Sioux}> oh wait that was towards AwakenedSoul.
<AwakenedSoul> i am alynna but just not to someone like you
<Nyx{Sioux}> lel.
<Nyx{Sioux}> look
<Nyx{Sioux}> hold on
<Nyx{Sioux}> i like Alynna and AwakenedSoul.
<Nyx{Sioux}> you could could be cool together.
<kaniini> not likely
<Nyx{Sioux}> They could.
<kaniini> the Alynna i know likes facts
<Nyx{Sioux}> it's just everyone touched a nerve.
<Alynna> It would be wrong and ill-advised to hate on me just because I want extraordinary claims to have some kind of backing.
<AwakenedSoul> i really don't care at this point alynna
<Nyx{Sioux}> right but you didn't ask for backing at first Alynna
<Nyx{Sioux}> you went right for the throat, really.
<kaniini> i actually did
<Nyx{Sioux}> that makes people not want to answer.
<Nyx{Sioux}> You did worse kaniini.
<Damarus> i dont even know what is the thing that wants an explaination atm
<Nyx{Sioux}> How to drain over super long distances iirc.
<AwakenedSoul> i don't want to explain now because i've just been harassed this whole time
<kaniini> from the claimant.
<Damarus> AS, Im curious as to your method just out of interest. I'll explain mine after.
<Alynna> No I didn't.  Maybe kani did, but I wanted an explanation.  I do not like it when people come in and make all sorts of claims of being able to do this and that without even being able to explain HOW they would do it.  I wasn't even asking for proof ffs
<Nyx{Sioux}> Why do you insist on it having to be from awakened, kaniini? If you really just wanted answers, anyone giving you a reasonable one would be fine.
<Nyx{Sioux}> I think you just want to rub his nose in it.
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: i want *his* answer
<AwakenedSoul> alynna i have been here before and explained myself as best i could before so maybe you can look that up and read it
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: because *he* made the claim
<Nyx{Sioux}> I made the claim too.
<Nyx{Sioux}> You saying my answers aren't good enough for you?
<Nyx{Sioux}> That's not how you find out things.
<Alynna> I raised a well-founded objection about how one would be able to localize a single person in the universe to target from a single name on IRC.
<kaniini> this is not a good use of my time
<AwakenedSoul> and get of my god damn case already
<Nyx{Sioux}> This is *clearly* too emotionally charged for people to have rational conversations about it now.
* Anoki likes this. :)
<AwakenedSoul> anoki your here
<Nyx{Sioux}> "this is not a good use of my time" is a cop out.
<Nyx{Sioux}> :P
<AwakenedSoul> i'm sorry nyx
* Damarus agrees with Alynna for the objection for the record. So an explaination would be nice.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Ok well Alynna you raised an objection and then I gave you a plausible way to do it and claimed I have done it.
<Nyx{Sioux}> It's cool awakened.
<Damarus> I must have missed whatever it was
<Alynna> The issue is no longer about that anymore Nyx, its about Awakened getting all pissy because I asked.
<AwakenedSoul> should i just come back tomorrow or something?
<kaniini> come back never
<AwakenedSoul> wow
<Nyx{Sioux}> I think he was getting pissy because he found out he was gonna be banned over a joke and then everyone got on his shit for believing in something they didn't.
<Nyx{Sioux}> really kaniini?
<AwakenedSoul> i don't wanna fight with two random people about what i am at 12:39pm
<Nyx{Sioux}> You really want to act like that here?
<Alynna> And if you are going to hate me for that line of questioning and think I am picking on you for it, well I hate to say this, but I demand answers from ANYONE who makes extraordinary claims.
<Nyx{Sioux}> That's blatantly rude.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Aren't there rules for this chat about that?
* Damarus sighs
<AwakenedSoul> see they just have it out for me
<AwakenedSoul> the past times i came here i never got this kind of treatment
* Alynna just sighs.  "Its like you didn't even read my last sentence"
<AwakenedSoul> i don't care what you have to say anymore
<AwakenedSoul> if i could mute you i would
<Damarus> Ok.. so if it's going nowhere. Lets just end this line here for now then
<Damarus> And you can mute.
<Damarus> ... although, maybe not her because room founder
<Damarus> idk.
<Alynna> Now I have a real issue..
* Damarus doesnt use ignore
<AwakenedSoul> idk how...
<kaniini> just use the /quit command to ignore
<Nyx{Sioux}> kaniini, stop harrassing other people in the chatroom.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Which you are clearly doing.
<Nyx{Sioux}> (srsly this is the mods job.)
<AwakenedSoul> at least Damarus,Anoki, and, Nyx understand what i am
<Alynna> because you know what, if his response to my questions is going to be to mute me ... that's an issue
<AwakenedSoul> i'm still trying to mute you
<Nyx{Sioux}> I think the bigger issue here, Alynna, is people actually harassing him
<kaniini> just ban already
<Nyx{Sioux}> AwakenedSoul, don't must Alynna.
<Nyx{Sioux}> *mute
<Nyx{Sioux}> just chill.
<AwakenedSoul> why? i have nothing to say to him
<Nyx{Sioux}> everyone is really pissy and raw right now, and we could probably all do with dropping this and coming back to it with clear and unbiased heads.
<Nyx{Sioux}> so we really shouldn't be acting rashly or saying rash things.
<Alynna> I am giving you a chance to dial this back..
<AwakenedSoul> i don't have any desire to talk to him anymore after this and just want to talk to you guys
<Nyx{Sioux}> like muting people or telling you to quit.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Well then don't.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Just chill out and talk about something else.
<Alynna> i'm not muting AwakenedSoul, I am trying to resolve this.
<Nyx{Sioux}> you don't have to mute someone to do this.
<Damarus> It might be best to do another time.
<Nyx{Sioux}> I am talking about AwakenedSoul muting you, Alynna.
<Nyx{Sioux}> hell just type /join #meta AwakenedSoul.
<Nyx{Sioux}> we can talk about all the magical crap in there.
<AwakenedSoul> why do you not want me to just mute him and end this arguing ?
<Nyx{Sioux}> You can stop arguing without having to mute anyone.
<kaniini> preferably /join 0,#meta
<Alynna> well for one thing it won't end the arguing.  It will simply escalate the issue
<Nyx{Sioux}> kaniini, stop. fucking. with. AwakenedSoul.
<Nyx{Sioux}> you are the one who has been the worst this whole time at escalating this situation.
<kaniini> you need to stop white-knighting
<Nyx{Sioux}> Stop being a dick.
<AwakenedSoul> obviously kan is just a troll but oh no alynna you don't tell him anything
<Nyx{Sioux}> AwakenedSoul stop. ok?
<Damarus> Honestly it's not white knighting, it's just that this shit is getting fucking old.
<Nyx{Sioux}> calm thy tits.
<Nyx{Sioux}> we can chill.
<Nyx{Sioux}> all be bros.
<Damarus> Literally every time im in here it's this shit.. -.-
<Nyx{Sioux}> if everyone would just disengage.
<toeclaws> Talk about poutine!
<AwakenedSoul> no its not fair this guy talks about the chat going to shit but he does not call on someone who is obviously trolling
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<Alynna> kaniini is not a troll, he is someone who I have known for long enough to trust his judgement.  If I was going to ban people for their opinions .. it'd be pretty empty in here.
<AwakenedSoul> because alynna is a hypocrite
<Nyx{Sioux}> oh my god AwakenedSoul what did I just say about disengaging?
<toeclaws> just think of the magic that happens when cheese and potatoes combine in perfect harmony
<Nyx{Sioux}> can we please just stop being dicks to each other for five fucking seconds
<Nyx{Sioux}> calm the fuck down
<Alynna> Kaniini does not even agree with me about energy work in many areas
<Nyx{Sioux}> and get on with it.
<AwakenedSoul> 3 people here can obviously see him being a harasser but no alynna you hypocrite you don't do anything
<Nyx{Sioux}> seriously
<Nyx{Sioux}> stop escalating.
<Nyx{Sioux}> AwakenedSoul.
<kaniini> toeclaws: poutine is disgusting
<Alynna> Having a freaking difference of opinion is not against the rules
<AwakenedSoul> no they want to call me bullshit but i can't call on their bullshit as well
<Nyx{Sioux}> There's a difference.
<Nyx{Sioux}> right now we need to put the fists down
<Nyx{Sioux}> take a second.
<Nyx{Sioux}> and stop.
<Nyx{Sioux}> we can discuss this *without* fighting.
<Nyx{Sioux}> and *without* name calling.
<toeclaws> kaniini: I disagree. However, it is kind of gross if you break it down and really concentrate on it
<Nyx{Sioux}> not right now.
<toeclaws> so is most greasy food
<Nyx{Sioux}> right now we need to calm down so that our rage doesn't get in the way of our understanding.
<kaniini> for that matter, blue cheese is also disgusting
<kaniini> the blue part is mold
<Alynna> i'm not going to let my words get twisted around
<Nyx{Sioux}> I've been making a pastebin of all of this.
<Nyx{Sioux}> So it won't.
<toeclaws> I don't do blue cheese on much, and I cut the mold off my brie
<toeclaws> but you know what's legit disgusting? casu marzu
<toeclaws> cheese with larvae crawling around in it, to the point that you have to cover your face while eating so the larvae don't fling themselves at your eye
<kaniini> no thanks
<Nyx{Sioux}> humans be like
<Nyx{Sioux}> "I would eat that."
<Damarus> Wana try dog cheese..
<kaniini> 01:52:30        +Nyx{Sioux} │ I've been making a pastebin of all of this.
<Nyx{Sioux}> I want that coffe that has gone through that critter whos name I forget because I should have gone to bed half an hour ago.
<kaniini> what is your goal with that?
<Nyx{Sioux}> Reference for when this comes up again.
<Nyx{Sioux}> after we all calm our tits.
<toeclaws> some sort of polecat, and the coffee itself is called kopi luwak I think???
<Damarus> http://www.rootsimple.com/2007/04/dog-cheese/
<kaniini> my tits are quite calm, however i still would like him to explain his position.
<Nyx{Sioux}> After being on irc networks with high levels of drama and fights for the past year, I try to keep records.
<kaniini> perhaps i was too harsh at first.
<Nyx{Sioux}> You can get that another time.
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<kaniini> ahh, hi bolt.
<Alynna> ok fuck it back over here then..
<bolt> hi kani!
<bolt> hi everyone!
<Nyx{Sioux}> ohi
<Alynna> You know what I want?  I want you to understand that, at least for my part, there's nothing personal here.  I am unable to allow extraordianry claims to go without challenge.   If I allow anyone to say whatever they want without a challenge, a request for reasonable explanation, then the standards will fall here.
<toeclaws> Hi!
<kaniini> just give up on it Alynna
<Alynna> we will basically get tumblr on IRC.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Alynna, can we talk about it later?
<Nyx{Sioux}> I am at least going to bed.
<Alynna> I should have went to bed.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Lets pick this up fresh later.
<kaniini> seriously, at this point
<Nyx{Sioux}> ne too.
<kaniini> i just give up
<kaniini> because there's no standard and nobody wants one
<kaniini> Alynna: i say, you go be the shit out of that tri-gendered pyro fox or whatever
<Alynna> I doubt that it will get picked up.  Instead I will be muted, and then at that point I will be unable to explain WHY for any of this, period.
<Nyx{Sioux}> no.
<Nyx{Sioux}> no no no.
<Nyx{Sioux}> kaniini, stop escalating AGAIN when we are done with it, tired, and about to go to bed.
<Nyx{Sioux}> Alynna, no one is muting you and we will discuss this rationally later.
<kaniini> go to bed if you're going to bed
<Nyx{Sioux}> AwakenedSoul, lets come back and all have a chat about this without people jumping down your throat.
<kaniini> no, really
<kaniini> AwakenedSoul can do whatever he wants
<Alynna> kaniini, sadly I am tempted.  Everyone else gets to have whatever power they want and make whatever fictionkin they want to be.   Am I not denying myself happiness by demanding to my own self be true..
<kaniini> i really, do not care, anymore
<kaniini> i am here for basically only one reason and that is to find other rabbits because there are so few
<Nyx{Sioux}> Good. We'll talk about it later then.
<kaniini> beyond that, the value is nil
<Nyx{Sioux}> drop it.
<Alynna> maybe I should become a rabbit
<kaniini> you would like something dropped?
<Nyx{Sioux}> yes.
<Nyx{Sioux}> this topic.
<Nyx{Sioux}> for now.
<AwakenedSoul> its fine nyx just go to bed and i am to
<Nyx{Sioux}> let's ALL go to bed.
<Nyx{Sioux}> it'll be great
<Nyx{Sioux}> sleeping and shit.
<kaniini> go already
<Alynna> All I ever wanted out of this community is that we all be true and straight with eachother...
<Nyx{Sioux}> Well we will. later. go sleep.
<Alynna> so that we might actually KNOW EACHOTHER
<kaniini> impossible
<Alynna> instead of the illusions people want to slap u[
<Nyx{Sioux}> we will. later. we can't when rage blinds us.
<Alynna> up
<kaniini> there is no rage
<kaniini> only disappointment
<Nyx{Sioux}> speak for yourself.
<Alynna> i'm not enraged, i'm depressed.
<Alynna> I'm practically crying
<AwakenedSoul> obviously some of us are trying to keep it going
<Nyx{Sioux}> then if it's not rage it's sadness.
<Alynna> because it was not even my intent to hurt AwakenedSoul
<Nyx{Sioux}> so when we can all talk about it without being pissed or being dicks or being upset, we can try to communicate and understand, ok?
<kaniini> i'd rather not
<Nyx{Sioux}> If you feel bad about doing something, then say you're sorry.
<Nyx{Sioux}> that's expressing your regret.
<Nyx{Sioux}> and I am pretty sure awakened will accept it.
<AwakenedSoul> yeah..
<kaniini> the problem is simply this
<Nyx{Sioux}> you're escalating.
<kaniini> us old people (ha, "old")
<Nyx{Sioux}> stop escalating and bringing it up.
<kaniini> are really kind of burned out at this point
<Nyx{Sioux}> how old are you?
<kaniini> 28
<Nyx{Sioux}> bruh I have been playin this game longer than you.
<kaniini> no you haven't
<AwakenedSoul> alynna i would feel better about resolving this if you said sorry..
<Nyx{Sioux}> so don't give me things about being burned out.
<Alynna> There is a part of me that wants to apologize, and believe me I am sorry I was so intense regarding my inquiry, I probably should have found softer ways to express my objections.  But, and even if this diminishes my apology some, I still do not want this place to become tumblr on IRC.
<Nyx{Sioux}> It won't.
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: i am quite burned out with this situation
<AwakenedSoul> i'm not a bad guy alynna or trying to ruin anything
<Nyx{Sioux}> We'll sort it all out tomorrow. You weren't trying to hurt anyone Alynna, shit just got crazy.
<Alynna> I can pretty much guarantee that I am one of, if not the oldest otherkin here..
<Nyx{Sioux}> If you are burned out kaniini, then stop bringing it up.
<kaniini> Nyx{Sioux}: weren't you going to bed?
<Alynna> there are people in here who weren't even born when I was fully awakened
<AwakenedSoul> i just want to be accepted alynna
<kaniini> if you want to be accepted then why is it so important to make huge claims ?
<Nyx{Sioux}> thought you were burned out kaniini.
<AwakenedSoul> it was a metaphor
<Nyx{Sioux}> anyway
<Nyx{Sioux}> AwakenedSoul, Alynna said she was sorry.
<Alynna> Well we can have places that accept everyone, and accept everything that is said by everyone, but, those places become full of people and entirely devoid of meaning.
<kaniini> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<Alynna> there's already dozens of otherkin forums like that.
<Nyx{Sioux}> we can talk about that later Alynna
<AwakenedSoul> *sigh
<Nyx{Sioux}> right now the apology is what matters here.
<Nyx{Sioux}> and you said you were sorry.
<kaniini> right now, what matters is you going to bed
<Nyx{Sioux}> so now AwakenedSoul...
<Nyx{Sioux}> Some things are more important than sleep. or being bossed around by a jack...rabbit.
<Nyx{Sioux}> seewutididthar
<AwakenedSoul> i didn't even see him type i'm sorry
<kaniini> AwakenedSoul: i am sorry for pushing the issue
<Damarus> [08:16] <~Alynna> There is a part of me that wants to apologize, and believe me I am sorry I was so intense regarding my inquiry, I probably should have found softer ways to express my objections.  But, and even if this diminishes my apology some, I still do not want this place to become tumblr on IRC.
<kaniini> i am also sorry to myself for bothering to care
<Nyx{Sioux}> "believe me I am sorry I was so intense regarding my inquiry, I probably should have found softer ways to express my objections."
<AwakenedSoul> i see
<AwakenedSoul> and do you really mean that alynna
<Nyx{Sioux}> Good. I forgive you kaniini, but please try not to do it again.
<Nyx{Sioux}> course she does.
<Alynna> I have been trying to show you I meant that for the last hour
<kaniini> i do not give a shit if you "forgive" me or not, Nyx.  now go to bed
<Nyx{Sioux}> Ha ha typical rabbit humor.
<Nyx{Sioux}> anyway
<Nyx{Sioux}> AwakenedSoul, do you accept her apology?
<AwakenedSoul> i forgive you but i don't want us to bring up this subject ever again about myself
<Nyx{Sioux}> If you aren't comfortable then fine. We won't.
<Nyx{Sioux}> but if we can in a non argue-y way, who knows.
<Nyx{Sioux}> good.
<kaniini> i will not press upon issues that you do not air, because really it is a reactive thing
<Nyx{Sioux}> everyone said they were sorry.
<Anoki> I didn't. :D
<Nyx{Sioux}> You still slobbered on me all over.
<Nyx{Sioux}> :C
<Nyx{Sioux}> :CCCCCCCCCC
<AwakenedSoul> XD
<Nyx{Sioux}> Now that that's sorted, good night.