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  1. Mikey has been deemed OOT so he won't be reflected in my judgments.
  2.  
  3. Glob R1
  4.  
  5. * Batman in-character will opt for stealthy approach rather than direct combat, leading him to be countered by Song's robot tendrils, giving her complete awareness of the map
  6.  
  7. * Song swings her sword at speeds comparable to a bullet and Batman isn't fast enough to dodge swings from that
  8.  
  9. * Batman has bad speed anti-feats
  10.  
  11. * Batman's armor isn't completely piercing resistant other than for the chest and back, so Song should easily cleave through him
  12.  
  13. * Batarangs are too slow to tag any of members of Glob's team
  14.  
  15. * Batman's other gadgets would hinder his own team as well
  16.  
  17. * Shang-Chi is aggressive and will try to engage first, but the narrow hallway makes it harder for him to dodge strikes from weapons
  18.  
  19. * Shang's bullet timing is okay
  20.  
  21. * Song and Slaine are fast enough that they will eventually tag Shang
  22.  
  23. * Shang-Chi lacks the offense to quickly put down Glob's team
  24.  
  25. * Shang's nunchuck's only feat is vague and useless
  26.  
  27. * Shang's skill isn't actually skill but just him being physically superior to his opponents
  28.  
  29. * Azrael's piercing resistance is bad
  30.  
  31. * Azrael has no bullet timing feats
  32.  
  33. * Azrael's sword will do damage, but Glob's team have the pain tolerance to power through
  34.  
  35. ***
  36.  
  37. Ame R1
  38.  
  39. * Batman's offense includes good striking, good piercing, temperature weapons, poison weapons, and electricity
  40.  
  41. * Azrael's offense includes good striking, good piercing, and heat
  42.  
  43. * Shang-Chi's offense includes good striking and electricity
  44.  
  45. * In comparison, Slaine and Song lack the blunt durability and esoteric resistance to avoid being one shot
  46.  
  47. * Slaine's striking is very weak and Song's argued striking feat isn't her using physical strength to accomplish breaking the steel door but rather her nanites
  48.  
  49. * Slaine's piercing can cut through medieval armor and bronze, while Song's sword has no feats putting it above a regular sword
  50.  
  51. * Batman's blunt durability is enough to take all of Slaine's and Song's hits
  52.  
  53. * Batman's piercing resistance is good enough to block Song's sword and Batman himself can break Slaine's sword through strikes or a batarang, which is likely as Slaine is slow
  54.  
  55. * Azrael's can take punches from Batman and his piercing resistance is good enough to protect him from his own sword
  56.  
  57. * Shang's blunt durability is also good and he can deal with piercing through his gauntlets or disarming/breaking the swords
  58.  
  59. * Slaine's premier speed feat relies on the speed of the arrows being 160 fps since it's claimed to be an English longbow, but those weren't used until the 14th century and the archers were just Trojan warriors
  60.  
  61. * Song's "bullet timing" feats don't actually show her reacting and isn't in the way of fire, all she's doing is moving faster than they can get a good aim on
  62.  
  63. * This is backed up by how she actually does get shot when they aim for where she's going to be than trying to aim at her
  64.  
  65. * Her one objective bullet timing feat is bad for the tier
  66.  
  67. * Ame's team has good reaction speed and one shot AOE attacks
  68.  
  69. * Glob's team has no movement speed to note and even assuming they can run at IRL peak human speeds, Ame's team has all the time in the world to react in turn and can engulf the enclosed area in fire or gas
  70.  
  71. * Slaine and Song have both been argued to be unskilled for their tier setter justifications, whereas all members of Ame's team are hyper competent and skilled
  72.  
  73. * The idea that Batman would start off with stealth is only when working solo and Glob's scan is talking about Batman's fear tactics against criminals which isn't relevant for this
  74.  
  75. * When in a team, Batman doesn't leave his allies and stays to fight with them
  76.  
  77. * Even in a stealth scenario, Song's nanite tendrils were used to read someone's mind and Batman has tech in his cowl that makes him immune to mind reading
  78.  
  79. * Batman also moves much quicker, so Song wouldn't be able to catch up if she tries to follow him and is instead just led away from her teammates
  80.  
  81. * Song's bullet swing doesn't require her to match the bullet's speed but it's RPM, so she's much slower than argued
  82.  
  83. * Batman's anti feats all have mitigating factors
  84.  
  85. * Batman has explicitly gotten faster twice throughout the years, so his speed antifeats aren't really applicable to modern Batman
  86.  
  87. * The Batsuit has been worked on and improved over time and even explicitly improved its piercing resistance
  88.  
  89. * The Batsuit's antifeats are outweighed by its many feats showing good piercing resistance
  90.  
  91. * Batman's gadgets won't be a hindrance to his team
  92.  
  93. * Shang-Chi is massively faster than Slaine and for every single strike Slaine can make, Shang can do 10 within that timespan
  94.  
  95. * Shang's nunchucks one shots goons with its electricity so it too will one shot Slaine and Song since they lack the resistances to deal with it
  96.  
  97. * Slaine's premier durability feat is vague and messed him up bad
  98.  
  99. * None of Glob's claims about Shang-Chi's skill are backed with scans and Shang has been shown to be able to deal with stronger opponents like Iron Fist
  100.  
  101. * Azrael has been shown to block the titanium piercing katana
  102.  
  103. * Azrael has another feat to prove his speed and scales to Nightwing
  104.  
  105. * Azrael's piercing is very strong
  106.  
  107. ***
  108.  
  109. Glob R2
  110.  
  111. * Batman has been shown to be unable to break through a brick wall
  112.  
  113. * His gadgets aren't as good as argued
  114.  
  115. * Azrael's strength feats are made worse since the robot's armor was weakened from the blade wounds
  116.  
  117. * The nunchuck is fake
  118.  
  119. * Slaine has good heat resist
  120.  
  121. * Slaine's sword durable cuz it cuts good through hard things
  122.  
  123. * Azrael armor bad compared to gauntlet
  124.  
  125. * Shang's disarming feats bad
  126.  
  127. * Looks like a longbow, they aren't really Trojans
  128.  
  129. * Song's antifeats having mitigating factors
  130.  
  131. * Batman was prepared for the crossbow and has been tagged by them before
  132.  
  133. * Azrael's sniper feat have mitigating factors
  134.  
  135. * Shang's bullet dodge isn't as good as argued
  136.  
  137. * Ame's team is unlikely to wait for the enemies to come to them
  138.  
  139. * Azrael doesn't use gadgets often
  140.  
  141. * Skill is being overhyped by Ame
  142.  
  143. * Batman slow
  144.  
  145. * Dionesium bad
  146.  
  147. * Composite Batsuit fake
  148.  
  149. * Slaine was only briefly stunned in his durability feat
  150.  
  151. ***
  152.  
  153. Ame R2
  154.  
  155. * Batman hits really hard and the brick wall antifeat has mitigating factors
  156.  
  157. * Gadgets good
  158.  
  159. * Azrael hit good
  160.  
  161. * Glob's team's endurance feats aren't that good
  162.  
  163. * Batman and Shang break swords through plane force
  164.  
  165. * Azrael is tanky
  166.  
  167. * Shang-Chi is good at disarming
  168.  
  169. * The bow in the Slaine feat doesn't look like a longbow
  170.  
  171. * Song hallucinates all the time
  172.  
  173. * Song's antifeats are still bad
  174.  
  175. * Arguments made against the crossbow feat are bad
  176.  
  177. * Azrael wasn't aware of the sniper until after the shot
  178.  
  179. * Azrael and Batman use their gadgets often against groups
  180.  
  181. * Skill good
  182.  
  183. * Song's speed feat is still not as good as argued
  184.  
  185. * Batman antifeats bad
  186.  
  187. * Only Batman's modern suits are being composited
  188.  
  189. * Shang's skill good
  190.  
  191. * Azrael's speed still good
  192.  
  193. ***
  194.  
  195. Judgments
  196.  
  197. Ame wins. Glob doesn't deny the smoke gas's effectiveness towards Slaine and I feel Ame has established that Batman/Azrael are willing enough to use it eventually. They have all the time in the world to decide, as they've been argued to be much faster than Slaine and Song whose argued reaction speeds for the tier are pretty slow.
  198. For this matchup, speed is more important than ever as Slaine and Song's durability just don't cut it. Endurance doesn't matter when a single hit from the opponent is enough to take you out. Glob's attack on the speed of Batman and Azrael were decent, but Ame effectively countered them with mitigating context and examples of speeds boosts and other good speed feats. On the other hand, Glob's attack on Shang-Chi's speed feat wasn't great, as the distance is visually clear that Shang isn't several meters away and we see he only starts to react after the bullets are fired.
  199. Glob's arguments against skill were also iffy as Ame proves it allows for his team to make the most precise and efficient movements compared to Glob's team and also use things like nerve strikes which went uncountered.
  200. Unfortunately for Slaine and Song, they're just outnumbered, outpowered, outsped, outskilled, and out of time.
  201. I'll give props to Glob on the nunchucks though as Ame fails to prove they appear twice.
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