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- Mikey has been deemed OOT so he won't be reflected in my judgments.
- Glob R1
- * Batman in-character will opt for stealthy approach rather than direct combat, leading him to be countered by Song's robot tendrils, giving her complete awareness of the map
- * Song swings her sword at speeds comparable to a bullet and Batman isn't fast enough to dodge swings from that
- * Batman has bad speed anti-feats
- * Batman's armor isn't completely piercing resistant other than for the chest and back, so Song should easily cleave through him
- * Batarangs are too slow to tag any of members of Glob's team
- * Batman's other gadgets would hinder his own team as well
- * Shang-Chi is aggressive and will try to engage first, but the narrow hallway makes it harder for him to dodge strikes from weapons
- * Shang's bullet timing is okay
- * Song and Slaine are fast enough that they will eventually tag Shang
- * Shang-Chi lacks the offense to quickly put down Glob's team
- * Shang's nunchuck's only feat is vague and useless
- * Shang's skill isn't actually skill but just him being physically superior to his opponents
- * Azrael's piercing resistance is bad
- * Azrael has no bullet timing feats
- * Azrael's sword will do damage, but Glob's team have the pain tolerance to power through
- ***
- Ame R1
- * Batman's offense includes good striking, good piercing, temperature weapons, poison weapons, and electricity
- * Azrael's offense includes good striking, good piercing, and heat
- * Shang-Chi's offense includes good striking and electricity
- * In comparison, Slaine and Song lack the blunt durability and esoteric resistance to avoid being one shot
- * Slaine's striking is very weak and Song's argued striking feat isn't her using physical strength to accomplish breaking the steel door but rather her nanites
- * Slaine's piercing can cut through medieval armor and bronze, while Song's sword has no feats putting it above a regular sword
- * Batman's blunt durability is enough to take all of Slaine's and Song's hits
- * Batman's piercing resistance is good enough to block Song's sword and Batman himself can break Slaine's sword through strikes or a batarang, which is likely as Slaine is slow
- * Azrael's can take punches from Batman and his piercing resistance is good enough to protect him from his own sword
- * Shang's blunt durability is also good and he can deal with piercing through his gauntlets or disarming/breaking the swords
- * Slaine's premier speed feat relies on the speed of the arrows being 160 fps since it's claimed to be an English longbow, but those weren't used until the 14th century and the archers were just Trojan warriors
- * Song's "bullet timing" feats don't actually show her reacting and isn't in the way of fire, all she's doing is moving faster than they can get a good aim on
- * This is backed up by how she actually does get shot when they aim for where she's going to be than trying to aim at her
- * Her one objective bullet timing feat is bad for the tier
- * Ame's team has good reaction speed and one shot AOE attacks
- * Glob's team has no movement speed to note and even assuming they can run at IRL peak human speeds, Ame's team has all the time in the world to react in turn and can engulf the enclosed area in fire or gas
- * Slaine and Song have both been argued to be unskilled for their tier setter justifications, whereas all members of Ame's team are hyper competent and skilled
- * The idea that Batman would start off with stealth is only when working solo and Glob's scan is talking about Batman's fear tactics against criminals which isn't relevant for this
- * When in a team, Batman doesn't leave his allies and stays to fight with them
- * Even in a stealth scenario, Song's nanite tendrils were used to read someone's mind and Batman has tech in his cowl that makes him immune to mind reading
- * Batman also moves much quicker, so Song wouldn't be able to catch up if she tries to follow him and is instead just led away from her teammates
- * Song's bullet swing doesn't require her to match the bullet's speed but it's RPM, so she's much slower than argued
- * Batman's anti feats all have mitigating factors
- * Batman has explicitly gotten faster twice throughout the years, so his speed antifeats aren't really applicable to modern Batman
- * The Batsuit has been worked on and improved over time and even explicitly improved its piercing resistance
- * The Batsuit's antifeats are outweighed by its many feats showing good piercing resistance
- * Batman's gadgets won't be a hindrance to his team
- * Shang-Chi is massively faster than Slaine and for every single strike Slaine can make, Shang can do 10 within that timespan
- * Shang's nunchucks one shots goons with its electricity so it too will one shot Slaine and Song since they lack the resistances to deal with it
- * Slaine's premier durability feat is vague and messed him up bad
- * None of Glob's claims about Shang-Chi's skill are backed with scans and Shang has been shown to be able to deal with stronger opponents like Iron Fist
- * Azrael has been shown to block the titanium piercing katana
- * Azrael has another feat to prove his speed and scales to Nightwing
- * Azrael's piercing is very strong
- ***
- Glob R2
- * Batman has been shown to be unable to break through a brick wall
- * His gadgets aren't as good as argued
- * Azrael's strength feats are made worse since the robot's armor was weakened from the blade wounds
- * The nunchuck is fake
- * Slaine has good heat resist
- * Slaine's sword durable cuz it cuts good through hard things
- * Azrael armor bad compared to gauntlet
- * Shang's disarming feats bad
- * Looks like a longbow, they aren't really Trojans
- * Song's antifeats having mitigating factors
- * Batman was prepared for the crossbow and has been tagged by them before
- * Azrael's sniper feat have mitigating factors
- * Shang's bullet dodge isn't as good as argued
- * Ame's team is unlikely to wait for the enemies to come to them
- * Azrael doesn't use gadgets often
- * Skill is being overhyped by Ame
- * Batman slow
- * Dionesium bad
- * Composite Batsuit fake
- * Slaine was only briefly stunned in his durability feat
- ***
- Ame R2
- * Batman hits really hard and the brick wall antifeat has mitigating factors
- * Gadgets good
- * Azrael hit good
- * Glob's team's endurance feats aren't that good
- * Batman and Shang break swords through plane force
- * Azrael is tanky
- * Shang-Chi is good at disarming
- * The bow in the Slaine feat doesn't look like a longbow
- * Song hallucinates all the time
- * Song's antifeats are still bad
- * Arguments made against the crossbow feat are bad
- * Azrael wasn't aware of the sniper until after the shot
- * Azrael and Batman use their gadgets often against groups
- * Skill good
- * Song's speed feat is still not as good as argued
- * Batman antifeats bad
- * Only Batman's modern suits are being composited
- * Shang's skill good
- * Azrael's speed still good
- ***
- Judgments
- Ame wins. Glob doesn't deny the smoke gas's effectiveness towards Slaine and I feel Ame has established that Batman/Azrael are willing enough to use it eventually. They have all the time in the world to decide, as they've been argued to be much faster than Slaine and Song whose argued reaction speeds for the tier are pretty slow.
- For this matchup, speed is more important than ever as Slaine and Song's durability just don't cut it. Endurance doesn't matter when a single hit from the opponent is enough to take you out. Glob's attack on the speed of Batman and Azrael were decent, but Ame effectively countered them with mitigating context and examples of speeds boosts and other good speed feats. On the other hand, Glob's attack on Shang-Chi's speed feat wasn't great, as the distance is visually clear that Shang isn't several meters away and we see he only starts to react after the bullets are fired.
- Glob's arguments against skill were also iffy as Ame proves it allows for his team to make the most precise and efficient movements compared to Glob's team and also use things like nerve strikes which went uncountered.
- Unfortunately for Slaine and Song, they're just outnumbered, outpowered, outsped, outskilled, and out of time.
- I'll give props to Glob on the nunchucks though as Ame fails to prove they appear twice.
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