[30.07.2022 01:55:42] Zuiryu: Shimamori: they do not even need to rely on other corporations much. This is not the case of Renzu
[30.07.2022 01:55:57] #####: Vertical companies, correct?

[30.07.2022 01:56:12] Zuiryu: Shimamori: ideally, Kusari would need a new entrant to increase the HHI and drive up the competition
[30.07.2022 01:56:31] Zuiryu: Shimamori: they are highly vertical, but also pretty wide. This is the phenomenon of keiretsu

[30.07.2022 01:56:48] #####: Fascinating.

[30.07.2022 01:56:56] Zuiryu: Shimamori: they have their own banks, production, sales, service, et cetera


[30.07.2022 01:57:08] #####: What about the erm... Hogosha?
[30.07.2022 01:57:10] #####: Who are they?


[30.07.2022 01:57:10] Zuiryu: Shimamori: they can render almost any conceivable service to the customers
[30.07.2022 01:57:23] Zuiryu: Shimamori: the Hogosha... are a tricky bunch of people


[30.07.2022 01:57:36] #####: They appeared to be familiar to gangs to me.


[30.07.2022 01:57:38] Zuiryu: Shimamori: one wouldn't be wrong to refer to them as yakuza - Kusarian mafia
[30.07.2022 01:57:49] Zuiryu: Shimamori: yet their legal position is far from being outlawed


[30.07.2022 01:57:49] #####: Actually,  I saw one yesterday with a Corsair Train landing on the Planet.
[30.07.2022 01:57:55] #####: Very odd.


[30.07.2022 01:58:09] Zuiryu: Shimamori: they normally operate some sketchy business that is too "dirty" for image of larger companies
[30.07.2022 01:58:33] Zuiryu: Shimamori: like pachinko gambling centres or fuzoku - softcore "brothels"
[30.07.2022 01:58:48] Zuiryu: Shimamori: corsairs are not forbidden within Kusari


[30.07.2022 01:58:53] #####: What? Why?


[30.07.2022 01:58:56] Zuiryu: Shimamori: unless they breach certain conditions


[30.07.2022 01:59:19] #####: But - Corsairs are known as invaders - pests - they've hassled the corporations and Houses over the years.

[30.07.2022 01:59:20] Zuiryu: Shimamori: there is simply no reason to ban them. They pledges themselves to behave so we treat them like any other


[30.07.2022 01:59:26] #####: How did they become legalised?

[30.07.2022 01:59:32] Zuiryu: Shimamori: well, not in the case of Kusari
[30.07.2022 01:59:50] #####: What are their conditions then? No Artifact smuggling, no piracy, no attacking?

[30.07.2022 01:59:57] Zuiryu: Shimamori: artefact trade is legal within Kusari. They see the benefit and see the necessity to behave

[30.07.2022 02:00:18] Zuiryu: Shimamori: indeed, the artefact trade is the business of the said Hogosha and corporations
[30.07.2022 02:00:26] Zuiryu: Shimamori: naturally, no breaking the law


[30.07.2022 02:00:38] #####: That is ... concerning on many levels.


[30.07.2022 02:00:53] Zuiryu: Shimamori: which includes no bringing their hulk spaceships here, et cetera
[30.07.2022 02:01:04] Zuiryu: Shimamori: the Hogosha watch over them, so do we


[30.07.2022 02:01:22] #####: Aren't you concerned that it will draw the attention of organisations like the Core, Outcasts, so on?


[30.07.2022 02:01:26] Zuiryu: Shimamori: the Corsairs also have other uses, especially to counter the outcast menace and the GC
[30.07.2022 02:01:45] Zuiryu: Shimamori: the outcasts are already here, so have a proxy to take care of them is even better


[30.07.2022 02:01:47] #####: Isn't that what the Bounty Hunters were for?


[30.07.2022 02:02:11] Zuiryu: Shimamori: the more people hunting down the Maltese, the less the Maltese we have


[30.07.2022 02:02:49] #####: It is bewildering to me that the Corsairs would be permitted.

[30.07.2022 02:02:50] Zuiryu: Shimamori: legalising corsairs also secures out Sigma borders which is good for trade


[30.07.2022 02:03:11] #####: I am more concerned about the Artifact trade and what it entails for the future.


[30.07.2022 02:03:16] Zuiryu: Shimamori: this is a chance for the corsairs to prove if there is anything left in them from the "Hispania"


[30.07.2022 02:03:36] #####: Not only for research - but for the financial and military future - the Corsairs only ever intend for superiority.


[30.07.2022 02:04:15] Zuiryu: Shimamori: even if artefact trade is forbidden, they will find a way to smuggle. Besides, we reap the benefit, too
[30.07.2022 02:04:35] Zuiryu: Shimamori: it is also a way to avoid further conflict with them.
[30.07.2022 02:04:48] Zuiryu: Shimamori: parties involved in mutually beneficial trade rarely go to war


[30.07.2022 02:04:54] #####: What benefits are you even reaping?
[30.07.2022 02:05:04] #####: The Corsairs only give the scraps of derelict sites they churn up.
[30.07.2022 02:05:13] #####: They keep the ones that benefit their own armada.


[30.07.2022 02:05:21] Zuiryu: Shimamori: commercial benefit, security, proxy shield, and some other
[30.07.2022 02:06:03] Zuiryu: Shimamori: the market regulates itself. If the scraps they are selling are considered worthy by the buyer, supply-demand equate


[30.07.2022 02:06:28] #####: And in the end, you only promote their barbarism, they'll keep destroying sites - that of which money could never truly put a


[30.07.2022 02:06:33] Zuiryu: Shimamori: it is all about the readiness of the potential customers to buy.


[30.07.2022 02:06:40] #####: value on - sites that will provide knowledge that is so essential for development.
[30.07.2022 02:07:03] #####: [wheezes a sigh] but I suppose that's how it is. Sirius is always focused on money, rather than knowledge, growth.


[30.07.2022 02:07:33] Zuiryu: Shimamori: having corsairs legalised also means our research temas can visit their sites under their protection
[30.07.2022 02:07:57] Zuiryu: Shimamori: so even in this case we get access to sites that are normally not available to House researchers


[30.07.2022 02:07:58] #####: It... doesn't necessarily. They /will/ keep the ones of value to themselves.


[30.07.2022 02:08:17] Zuiryu: Shimamori: they will keep the valued ones IF they can distinguish what are the valuable ones
[30.07.2022 02:08:28] #####: They can and have.

[30.07.2022 02:08:34] Zuiryu: Shimamori: science is not their... forte, let's say


[30.07.2022 02:08:42] #####: Even individuals as clusmy as the Corsairs can determine one. They still have capable and  creative engineers.

[30.07.2022 02:08:52] Zuiryu: Shimamori: especially science of convenience and not necessity

[30.07.2022 02:08:52] #####: clumsy, even.


[30.07.2022 02:09:25] Zuiryu: Shimamori: from what I know, their world needs specialists in agriculture and engineering, not xenoarchaeologists
[30.07.2022 02:09:51] Zuiryu: Shimamori: regardless, if they have scientists of that specialty, then perhaps they can take care of the valuable sites

[30.07.2022 02:09:58] #####: The Order supports them.


[30.07.2022 02:10:04] Zuiryu: Shimamori: if they know their value, they won't plunder or sell them

[30.07.2022 02:10:20] #####: I'd rather the "plundering" not happen at all.

[30.07.2022 02:10:30] Zuiryu: Shimamori: the Order is officially outlawed in Kusari due to the alleged ties to the BD, but I have no issue with the Order

[30.07.2022 02:10:31] #####: Scientists should be handling these sites. Not primates with the lust for war.


[30.07.2022 02:10:53] Zuiryu: Shimamori: in fact, if not the alleged connections, I would support Order legalisation
[30.07.2022 02:11:09] Zuiryu: Shimamori: although, Liberty might not like it so we might dwell on this a bit more


[30.07.2022 02:11:19] #####: The Order has fallen far from grace.
[30.07.2022 02:11:26] #####: Too politicial, too many agendas.
[30.07.2022 02:11:38] #####: They are not the same as they were before.


[30.07.2022 02:11:39] Zuiryu: Shimamori: as you implied before, even these "primates" are not that clumsy and most likely also have scientists
[30.07.2022 02:12:05] Zuiryu: Shimamori: I do not know the intricacies of the Order's political situation, all I care is that they still oppose the aliens
[30.07.2022 02:12:20] Zuiryu: Shimamori: as long as they keep doing it, I do not mind what they are doing in the Omicrons


[30.07.2022 02:12:23] #####: Everyone does.
[30.07.2022 02:12:50] #####: It is just due to apathy, and interests of inter-Human conflicts that take everyone's attention.
[30.07.2022 02:13:01] #####: Money has always been a concern.
[30.07.2022 02:13:15] #####: I cannot say that I am a fan of the Corporate orientated societies.

[30.07.2022 02:13:51] Zuiryu: Shimamori: so far, we do not have a better alternative. Money have existed since the dawn of civilisation
[30.07.2022 02:14:02] Zuiryu: Shimamori: and will be redundnat only when trade is redundant


[30.07.2022 02:14:16] #####: No alternatives yet...
[30.07.2022 02:14:17] Zuiryu: Shimamori: which is possible if there is a plenty reached for everyone
[30.07.2022 02:14:31] Zuiryu: Shimamori: which is literally an unfeasible communist utopia
[30.07.2022 02:14:54] Zuiryu: Shimamori: there was recently a freelancer preaching about anarchy and no need for money.

[30.07.2022 02:14:59] #####: Mmm?
[30.07.2022 02:15:10] Zuiryu: Shimamori: it was quite amusing seeing them preach while not understanding economics at all
[30.07.2022 02:15:16] #####: Technically, money is not required to survive. It is collaboration.
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