(12:40:15 PM) Nour Samy: Any progress on getting me into the fitting team ?
(12:41:18 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: I'd wager that last night didn't do you any favors
(12:41:23 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but no, none so far
(12:42:00 PM) Nour Samy: Last night was me stating the obvious, Krios being a rude cunt and getting personal, and pred telling me to "pound sand"
(12:42:44 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: being an effective communicator and a level headed person during an argument is pretty necessary to being in a team where all we do is argue basically
(12:42:53 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: you read between the lines on that
(12:43:24 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and im just gonna be honest with you, dont ever say I wasnt
(12:43:30 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: it aint gonna happen, i can tell you that right now
(12:43:34 PM) Nour Samy: I am a very effective communicator, I communicate with you. Krios is a rude loud mouth cunt that can't keep it professional and always thinks he's right.
(12:43:54 PM) Nour Samy: I've got one hell of a poker face.
(12:44:12 PM) Nour Samy: I've just been on edge lately...
(12:44:23 PM) Nour Samy: Real life... lots of stress from school etc.
(12:44:35 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: best i can do is get the canes approved and the sleipneirs allowed on some serious ops
(12:44:46 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: i wouldnt hold out much hope for joining the fitting team
(12:44:56 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: most of our discussion has very little to do with fittings themselves
(12:45:14 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and more to do with intagible things like purpose, design philosophy, engagement profiles
(12:45:18 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: thikning outside of the box
(12:45:32 PM) Nour Samy: I do that all the time.
(12:46:00 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: idk what to tell you
(12:46:08 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: from last night alone
(12:46:20 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and the 'chicken with your head cut off' mentality you took with the rest of those guys
(12:46:32 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: was pretty obvious you arent all that level headed when you get upset
(12:46:52 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: i was pretty pissed last night myself at one person
(12:47:05 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but i tabled it for a later time and dealt with the issues at hand
(12:47:45 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and i had a discussion with that person until he was tired of talking to me
(12:47:51 PM) Nour Samy: I only got "upset" when krios had the balls to jab at me. Pred I'm used to. Krios can get fucked in my opinion. But if i'm on the team, all that goes away
(12:48:33 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: man you jumped in the water immediately
(12:48:46 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: no looking at the fits
(12:48:51 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: no 'wow this might be cool'
(12:48:55 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: just YOU GUYS DONT LISTEN
(12:49:00 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: cmon now
(12:49:06 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: immediately
(12:49:28 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: not 1 good thing was said last night
(12:49:31 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: by anyone but madison
(12:49:32 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: not 1
(12:49:38 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: you included
(12:49:53 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: im fine with that, we didnt take this assignment to make friends
(12:50:13 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but if you say you can effectively communicate and keep a level head after the display last night im gonna say ur full of shit
(12:50:36 PM) Nour Samy: Useful things that were said ? Communicating the outrage shared by everyone. That got us results in how this shit works.
(12:53:08 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: so after everything that transpired last night what syour honest opinion on that theory crafting forum
(12:54:11 PM) Nour Samy: First glance, its a good idea, its what I proposed in the FC chat and to Tark. Application ? That will remain to be seen. "Fuck leadership skills" so far isn't the most constructive.
(12:55:05 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: so your sky marshal makes a fitting team without telling you
(12:55:15 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: gets screamed at by FC's for making a doctrine
(12:55:30 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: then puts up a theory crafting forum after the fact and you think anything is going to come of it?
(12:55:51 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: now
(12:55:53 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: lets be clear
(12:55:59 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: as i explained last night
(12:56:16 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: we should have included clavo more, as a personal favor and as a stop gap
(12:56:33 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but the reason the fitting team came about is because of the circle jerk that the fc forums is
(12:56:56 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: I can see putting some measures in place to let the FC team voice some things, like i posted i was planning on doing in my thread
(12:57:19 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: how do you think xpred feels after what he went through last night?
(12:57:34 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: 4 hours of answering pm's, dozes (literally) of people going to tark and complaining
(12:57:46 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and he's just trying to get shit done in a reasonable amount of time
(12:57:52 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: yes it excluded people
(12:57:59 PM) Nour Samy: Everyone*
(12:58:01 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but you know as well as I do that FC's are a bunch of egotistical
(12:58:03 PM) Nour Samy: Everyone he didn't handpick.
(12:58:13 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: insane
(12:58:14 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: whiiney
(12:58:16 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: people
(12:58:26 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: how do you think he feels
(12:58:31 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: put yourself in his shoes
(12:58:50 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: i want to get shit done without listening to a bunch ppl argue about 52 dps
(12:58:58 PM) Nour Samy: I'd feel like shit. But I wouldn't exclude everyone either.
(12:59:03 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: samy
(12:59:13 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: you arent looking at this objectively
(12:59:32 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: im not saying let him off the hook
(12:59:36 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: or me or krios for that matter
(12:59:38 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: all im saying is
(12:59:43 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: theres 2 sides to literally every story
(12:59:56 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: even hitler had a side of a story that deserves to be listened to and thought about
(1:00:16 PM) Nour Samy: There are. The way it was done was wrong. We all know that. The forum thing like I said yesterday is good, with moderation it will work. How closed door it will be we'll see.
(1:00:22 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: no
(1:00:23 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: we dont
(1:00:32 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: the forum thing failed
(1:00:33 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: 100%
(1:00:35 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: we tried it
(1:00:39 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: go reread that shit
(1:00:40 PM) Nour Samy: Dood.
(1:00:43 PM) Nour Samy: You're not listening.
(1:00:47 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: how so
(1:00:57 PM) Nour Samy: MODERATED FORUMS. Like the theory crafting thread that is up.
(1:01:08 PM) Nour Samy: With a team that decides and comes up with final fittings
(1:01:15 PM) Nour Samy: then a week open discussion at the end
(1:01:20 PM) Nour Samy: Like I suggested to Tark yesterday.
(1:01:25 PM) Nour Samy: Which is what it is now.
(1:01:35 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: moderated FC forums
(1:01:37 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: right
(1:01:48 PM) Nour Samy: MOderated Thoery crafting Forums*
(1:01:59 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and you are sitting there
(1:02:01 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: with a straight face
(1:02:03 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and telling me
(1:02:09 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: that anything like what happened last night wont happen again
(1:02:11 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: 52 dps
(1:02:17 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: 2 nuets
(1:02:26 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: are you telling me that?
(1:03:13 PM) Nour Samy: What happened yesterday, was everyone talking over each other, laying down all the arguments and counter arguments for examination will be done on the forums. WIth the team that gives the final decision within REASON based off the arguments that are portrayed
(1:03:43 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: so dropping a gyro for 2 neuts was outside of reason?
(1:03:57 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: my point with all this banter is simple
(1:04:03 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: its not that you guys think the fits are bad
(1:04:08 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: or care about 52 dps vs 2 neuts
(1:04:19 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: its that you were 100% excluded and there was no communication
(1:05:26 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: I understand you, im not saying you shouldnt be
(1:05:35 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: shouldnt be mad that is
(1:05:43 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: it could have been handled better
(1:05:59 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: i am in agreement with you on that one, and i told pred that
(1:06:13 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but the amount of bullshit that we all sat through last night for xpred doing what he did
(1:06:15 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: wsa overboard
(1:06:53 PM) Nour Samy: Lot of people, myself including, holding resentment over the drakes and how that was handled publicly over a course of weeks
(1:07:05 PM) Nour Samy: His replies on the forums and such annoyed a lot of people
(1:07:14 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and this is part of the reason why I know it would be like pulling teeth to discuss shit with you is because you refuse to admit that anything was handled poorly on your end
(1:07:26 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: theres fault on both sides
(1:07:39 PM) Nour Samy: If i made a mistake I"m the first one to admit it Rofl.
(1:07:47 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: not when we are discussing shit
(1:08:08 PM) Nour Samy: I concede a lot, I talk reason, and I admit I'm wrong when I am wrong.
(1:08:10 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: your an amazing FC and you do exactly what you just said you do
(1:08:25 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but one of the biggest things is you talk at people more than you talk to them
(1:08:26 PM) Nour Samy: Ask Janos about my chats with him about fittings.
(1:08:30 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and thats harsh to say
(1:08:37 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and im sorry
(1:08:52 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but im just trying to get you to understand my thought process here without beating around the bush
(1:09:04 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: last night was overboard
(1:09:07 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: way overboard
(1:09:13 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and you were an instigator
(1:09:20 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: we released a fun new doctrine with good fits
(1:09:24 PM) Nour Samy: Last night was a lot of repressed shit.
(1:09:28 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and got literally crucified
(1:09:42 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: so then you talk to people about it so it doesnt bottle up
(1:09:47 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: not just fly off the handle
(1:09:57 PM) Nour Samy: I've been talking for months Rofl.
(1:10:26 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: for what
(1:10:29 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: what have you been talking about
(1:10:42 PM) Nour Samy: Doesn't matter.
(1:11:00 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: so youa re saying you've tried talking to people and nothing has come out of it?
(1:11:02 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: no matter what?
(1:11:39 PM) Nour Samy: Mostly yes. It doesn't matter.
(1:11:53 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: im not gonna sit here and preach life lessons to you samy, ive already told you i was exactly like you when i was young in the way I talk and deal with people
(1:11:59 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: ive learned more effective ways
(1:12:05 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: and i dont want to come off like ur dad
(1:12:12 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but ill say this
(1:12:36 PM) Nour Samy: I raised myself mostly so don't worry about that.
(1:12:51 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: if you've talked for months on end with the same people about the same shit and nothing has come of it, they either dont want to hear it or you arent effectively communicating
(1:12:58 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: only one of those 2 can you do anything about
(1:13:03 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: i cant tell you which is the problem, maybe both
(1:13:12 PM) rofl_stomp@fcon.us/pc/: but if they aint gonna listen then why are you still trying