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 i don't understand why taking smaller measures to reduce risk is a waste of everyone's time. we need to break from the idea that guns are guns and therefore guns anyway. any progress on that can't be bad. it's hard for me to listen to "wasted time and resources" in reference to government because they're going to waste that shit anyway
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 jotun@idlerpg.net because it's hard to pass small measures. the ones you can pass have no effect
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 also not sure if the "they're going to waste it anyway so might as well waste it" is a good argument/response to that though
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 jotun@idlerpg.net so you spend time and money and political capital to pass shit that does nothing in order to look like you're doing something
7:57 PM

and then the republicans say, hey, we helped pass your bill, now you have to pass ours
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e.g.
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there was a bill recently to strengthen the background check system
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and as a rider to it, republicans attached a bill saying that if you have a concealed carry permit in e.g. alabama, it's also valid in california
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that is - the permit from a gun happy state is valid in a gun unhappy state
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 the obstructionist party
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 jotun@idlerpg.net so while you do something mostly ineffective - making the background check system work a little better - you also give most people the right to carry a concealed weapon
8:00 PM

well both parties do this, no side is going to vote for a bill that their party hates without getting something their party wants
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 jotun@idlerpg.net iirc, there's a state that will issue non-residents a permit to conceal carry while they're in the state
8:02 PM

i think it's utah or wyoming
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 CJ because smaller measures don't reduce risk butcherandom
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 jotun@idlerpg.net so if you live in california and can't get a permit to concealed carry
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 CJ if you want to stop school shootings you can do that by getting rid of the 2nd amendment
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 jotun@idlerpg.net you just get one from WY or UT that's now valid in CA
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 CJ you think it's outdated, dangerous, and serves no purpose
8:03 PM

while I obviously disagree I think it's a reasonable view to have
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what I don't think is reasonable is democrats saying I strongly support the 2nd amendment BUY
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BUT
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and then a bunch of things that make it practically impossible to own a gun
8:04 PM

I don't really get the whole obstructionist thing, of course politicians are going to not support things that they disagree with
8:05 PM

jotun there's already something like that in CA, since CCP are issued at the county level
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San Francisco has issued 0 in the past 20 years or something
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while those random tiny counties in the northeast give them to everyone that asks
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 ban guns
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in 6 months ill be able to buy my own pistol
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provided i stay an active member of this club
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 jotun@idlerpg.net hey guys look at this https://www.instagram.com/omgcosplay/?hl=en
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id sure like to put my weewee in her hoohah
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 i'd pee in her butt
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 jotun@idlerpg.net she'd never let you
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 CJ you don't know that
8:27 PM

http://reason.com/blog/2017/10/03/did-bump-stocks-make-the-las-vegas-shoot
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if trump bans bump stocks I won't vote for him in the next election
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 rip
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 what is this
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 seeing what I missed