You're now watching two strangers discuss your question!
Question to discuss:
You're now breathing manually. You Jaw is affected by gravity and you have to keep it up. Your tongue is uncomfortable. Your body is itching one place. The Final Countdown is now playing in your head.
Stranger 2: I know.
Stranger 1: eh
Stranger 1: not really
Stranger 2: Go back to 4chan, though.
Stranger 2: Yes, really.
Stranger 2: Those are all affecting you right noqw.
Stranger 2: Period.
Stranger 2: There is no denying that.
Stranger 1: I breathe manually all the time already
Stranger 1: it's a side-effect of my hobby
Stranger 2: What's your hobby? Living?
Stranger 1: that and freediving
Stranger 1: I work on breathing all the time
Stranger 1: I can hold my breathe for 4 minutes
Stranger 2: Right, so you were breathing manually when OP said that.
Stranger 2: So, he was right.
Stranger 1: technically, I suppose
Stranger 1: but the point is to make me act that way
Stranger 1: which he didn't
Stranger 2: I agree, that was the point, but he was still technically right.
Stranger 1: and my tongue is quite comfortable
Stranger 2: I'd disagree with that.
Stranger 2: But, I am going to move on to the next question.
Stranger 1: no
Stranger 1: you can't do that
Stranger 2: I need to find the "favorite indie band" guy.
Stranger 2: I had a funny answer.
Stranger 1: no
Stranger 1: you don't
Stranger 2: I need to.
Stranger 1: no
Stranger 2: It's imperative.
Stranger 1: it's not
Stranger 1: it can wait
Stranger 1: this is more important
Stranger 2: It can't.
Stranger 2: It is absolutely important.
Stranger 1: which indie band?
Stranger 2: It's a necessity.
Stranger 2: I was going to say that he's probably never heard of them.
Stranger 1: ha
Stranger 1: that is funny
Stranger 1: you should have already gone and told him that
Stranger 1: why are you still here?
Stranger 2: I've no idea.
Stranger 1: neither do i
Stranger 1: by the way
Stranger 2: Then why are you still here?
Stranger 1: I have mind control
Stranger 1: and I just proved that
Stranger 1: lol
Stranger 2: You totally did just prove that.
Stranger 2: I promise.
Stranger 1: you may now go
Stranger 2: No.
Stranger 2: No I may not.
Stranger 2: Whoa, I have mind control, too.
Stranger 1: You can choose not to go.
Stranger 2: This is so interesting and neat.
Stranger 1: But you may.
Stranger 2: I may not choose.
Stranger 2: Ever.
Stranger 1: see, now you don't even want to leave
Stranger 1: my mind control is still working
Stranger 2: No longer shall I choose what to type and when to type it.
Stranger 1: ah, the power of words
Stranger 2: I will forever be lost in the grasps of God; of me.
Stranger 2: My mind control is working!
Stranger 1: I've never been called God before
Stranger 1: thank you
Stranger 2: I've sacrificed my body to God, or to me, as I see it.
Stranger 2: It's wonderful! I've proven that I, God, have mind control.
Stranger 1: Ah, I understand your comment now.
Stranger 2: For in this being's ideas, he believed that God was he, therefore he is no longer he, but I am he, therefore I exerted mind control upon him!
Stranger 1: You're insinuating that you are a part of me, God, and that we are one
Stranger 1: Go forth, my child.
Stranger 1: Spread the good word.
Stranger 2: The good word?
Stranger 2: The only good word I know is "me".
Stranger 1: All my words are good. Even the bad ones.
Stranger 1: Know any good indie bands?
Stranger 2: No, I've probably never heard of any of the ones I listen to.
Stranger 1: Wow, that's a very existential statement.
Stranger 1: You think you know, but you have no idea.
Stranger 2: Solipsism; your thoughts?
Stranger 1: You don't even know what you know!
Stranger 1: nonsense
Stranger 1: I tell you
Stranger 1: nonsense
Stranger 2: Opinions.
Stranger 1: I like those.
Stranger 2: You know, the funny thing about opinions is that they're all my opinion.
Stranger 1: Because you're extension of me, God?
Stranger 2: No, because I dictate what's fact.
Stranger 1: A reality exists outside one's mind.
Stranger 2: I'd like to see you prove it.
Stranger 1: You're there.
Stranger 1: I'm here.
Stranger 1: Proven.
Stranger 2: I think therefore I am.
Stranger 2: I think of you, therefore you are.
Stranger 1: Nope.
Stranger 1: I'm here whether or not you think of me.
Stranger 1: But the thought is very appreciated.
Stranger 2: No, you're not, according to me.
Stranger 1: We've already moved on from that.
Stranger 1: There is a poor Chinese person in the middle of nowhere toiling over rice paddies
Stranger 2: You're right; I thought of them.
Stranger 1: He was there before I thought about him.
Stranger 2: Sure he was, because I thought about him before I thought about you.
Stranger 2: I've heard of China for years, now.
Stranger 1: If only you did.
Stranger 1: He was just existing, without our thoughts, in his rice paddy
Stranger 2: Maybe without your thought.
Stranger 2: But he sure as Hell needed mine.
Stranger 2: Seeing as I thought of it.
Stranger 1: It can be argued that the only true reality is our own
Stranger 1: but it cannot be argued that our reality is the only one in existence
Stranger 2: I know it can, because I thought of it.
Stranger 2: You just thought of it, too.
Stranger 2: The only impossibles are things you can't think of.
Stranger 2: A new color, for example.
Stranger 1: I can think of plenty of impossible things
Stranger 2: You ever wonder why it's impossible to reach infinity?
Stranger 2: Because you don't understand what infinity is, exactly.
Stranger 1: ha
Stranger 2: You don't know how to reach infinity.
Stranger 1: there's a good exercise in understanding it though
Stranger 1: "The only way man can comprehend infinity is to think about the extent of human stupidity."
Stranger 1: Chuck Norris counted to infinity, twice
Stranger 2: Comprehending infinity is different from going there.
Stranger 2: I know infinity exists; I thought of it.
Stranger 2: But how do you think of reaching infinity based off of previous assumptions of what it is?
Stranger 1: That's very comforting to me that you thought of infinity
Stranger 1: I'm glad that my inventions are well known
Stranger 2: I'm glad my ideas can think on their own and don't see me as their creator.
Stranger 2: It's good mental exercise.
Stranger 1: That's because they're too humble to mention such a powerful person.
Stranger 1: They know
Stranger 1: deep down
Stranger 1: that you did it
Stranger 2: It's much better than those who worship other ideas of mine.
Stranger 2: Those guys I thought of, the religious guys?
Stranger 1: good point
Stranger 2: They praise my idea of a more powerful being than me.
Stranger 1: but we now have reached the climax of our conversation
Stranger 2: Which, I suppose they should.
Stranger 2: I thought of him, so he exists in some form.
Stranger 2: But what about what he thinks about?
Stranger 1: Do you believe in the concept of the unmoved mover?
Stranger 2: I am unfamiliar, idea.
Stranger 1: Not a problem
Stranger 1: all things need to react with something to "move", correct?
Stranger 2: Maybe.
Stranger 1: movement does not come from nothing, in other words
Stranger 2: I don't know about that.
Stranger 1: a ball must be kicked to move
Stranger 2: I'll say, from a not being a philosophical douche standpoint, sure.
Stranger 1: the idea of the unmoved mover, which is Aristotle's creation, is just as simple
Stranger 1: a thing, being, whatever you want to call it, had to put the universe in motion
Stranger 1: the question, of course, is what created this unmoved mover
Stranger 2: Where does this whole "motion" thing come from?
Stranger 1: What do you mean?
Stranger 2: What exactly is "motion"?
Stranger 2: What exactly is existence, moreso?
Stranger 1: whoa
Stranger 1: motion and existence
Stranger 1: two very complex questions
Stranger 1: how do they relate to the concept I poorly explained?
Stranger 2: Well, you, possibly, set the idea in motion for me and the idea, possibly, exists.
Stranger 2: For relationship status on them.
Stranger 2: So, what are they?
Stranger 1: I think you're trying to apply different levels of philosophy to a similar plane.
Stranger 1: Could you please restate your question?
Stranger 2: I think you're too set on current ideas.
Stranger 2: My question was what is motion and what is existence?
Stranger 2: I don't care what someone said 2000 or more years ago.
Stranger 2: If they said yesterday or before, either.
Stranger 2: I want you to tell me what motion is and what existence is.
Stranger 1: Motion is a scientifically verifiable action.
Stranger 2: It exists, right?
Stranger 2: Science does, too.
Stranger 1: Existence is an existential exercise.
Stranger 2: All that exists.
Stranger 2: What is that?
Stranger 2: What does it take to exist?
Stranger 2: What energy?
Stranger 1: Am I suppose to answer or follow along?
Stranger 2: I don't care what you do. I doubt you have the answers.
Stranger 2: I highly doubt it.
Stranger 1: Ha, okay.
Stranger 2: They were actual questions, though. Not rhetorical.
Stranger 1: You have the answer for what it takes to exist?
Stranger 2: If I had the answer, genius, why would I ask you?
Stranger 2: If I knew, why would I be here?
Stranger 2: If I knew what it took to exist, I could exist infinitely.
Stranger 1: I didn't think you had the answer.
Stranger 1: I was just laughing at the insinuation that you thought I did.
Stranger 2: I figured.
Stranger 2: I was just cracking a quick laugh there, myself.
Stranger 1: I think the concept of the unmoved mover is a good one.
Stranger 1: Science has a habit of catching up to philosophy.
Stranger 1: Though, science will never prove this conept.
Stranger 1: concept*
Stranger 2: Who knows, maybe one day, someone will think about it.
Stranger 2: Once you think of it, it exists.
Stranger 1: No.
Stranger 1: Because that implies if you don't think about it it doesn't exist.
Stranger 2: No, it implies if someone doesn't think about it doesn't exist.
Stranger 2: Everything you know someone thought of.
Stranger 2: Period.
Stranger 1: You're now talking about knowledge, not existence.
Stranger 1: We have explored a ridiculously small fraction of the universe.
Stranger 2: Well, you know existence, don't you?
Stranger 2: You gave me an answer, earlier.
Stranger 1: The argument about existence is not set in stone as you seem to believe
Stranger 1: If you think it exists in one's mind, then sure
Stranger 1: but if you're talking about the ability to exist, you're wrong
Stranger 2: The ability to exist is defined by my thought, though.
Stranger 2: Just like you are defined by my thought.
Stranger 1: The counter to your thought process is found within your thought process
Stranger 2: I know.
Stranger 1: "The ability to exist is defined by my thought"
Stranger 2: It's a hard idea to get out of my head.
Stranger 1: It shouldn't be.
Stranger 1: The argument against it is right before you.
Stranger 2: I don't understand how ANYTHING could exist if I didn't think of it.
Stranger 1: Of course "you" don't.
Stranger 2: It's an intricate loop.
Stranger 2: I think I see what you mean by the counter.
Stranger 1: The concept that nothing exists without me knowing it exists is tantamount to thinking the Earth is the center of the universe because I reside there
Stranger 2: I thought of other people having thoughts.
Stranger 2: And no, it's not.
Stranger 2: That was a bad comparison.
Stranger 2: Very bad, actually.
Stranger 1: It really isn't.
Stranger 2: It really is.
Stranger 1: It describes the centric view that carries the "it exists because I know it" argument
Stranger 1: from there, science moved to the heliocentric view
Stranger 1: and from there, we have come to know there is no center at all
Stranger 2: That's why I think it's a bad example.
Stranger 1: I don't see it.
Stranger 2: I don't fully understand how my idea of existence works, though.
Stranger 2: I'd really like to get out of the idea, though.
Stranger 2: It occupies much of my thoughts and isn't very useful to me.
Stranger 2: Not to mention, it's contradictory.
Stranger 1: Well, there are plenty of philosophy podcasts you can download that will expose you to other ideas
Stranger 2: But it's only contradictory from the idea that I am not the creator.
Stranger 1: that is the only way you will be able to shift, dismiss, or cement your point of view
Stranger 2: So, whatever.
Stranger 1: if it's contradictory, it's wrong
Stranger 1: that's how real philosophical ideas work
Stranger 2: I should commit suicide to test it.
Stranger 1: I must get going though
Stranger 1: thank you for the great talk
Stranger 1: I really appreciate it
Stranger 2: Bye.
Stranger 2 has disconnected