[5:48am] <04@jaspiaN> kartaker
[5:48am] <08@overaway> one of the Tokyo's govt was dumb enough
[5:48am] <04@jaspiaN> you have any questions about what i wrote?
[5:48am] <08@overaway> to say it was divine retribution
[5:48am] <04@jaspiaN> or any other questions
[5:49am] <08@overaway> i got one
[5:49am] <08@Diamond> what do you attack
[5:49am] <08@kartaker> white
[5:49am] <08@overaway> how do you beat jaspian
[5:49am] 11-----^^
[5:49am] <08@Diamond> when you don't hunt reds with a 20% win chance
[5:49am] <04@jaspiaN> whites are easy as fuck
[5:49am] <08@overaway> 50% below him in netpower
[5:49am] <04@jaspiaN> best win chance are on whites
[5:49am] <08@kartaker> i like hitting greens too
[5:49am] <08@kartaker> and using web or brooch
[5:49am] <04@jaspiaN> jaspian always dies lah
[5:49am] <08@Diamond> siege?
[5:49am] <08@kartaker> down low yes
[5:49am] <04@jaspiaN> either i suicide or i have my #1 land banged
[5:50am] <08@overaway> o_O
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> either way i lose my top land mage
[5:50am] <08@kartaker> up higher, you might need to regular
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> happened to my last 4 greens
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> the best targets
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> are green and white
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> whites easiest
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> reg if they are on BF satchel
[5:50am] <08@Diamond> ok
[5:50am] <08@kartaker> you can also hit crappy blacks
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> if you are able to
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> deeper stack your green if you know the enemy whites stack
[5:50am] <08@Diamond> what about item to use?
[5:50am] <04@jaspiaN> if they keep AMs 3rd ground
[5:50am] <08@kartaker> on offense vs white?
[5:50am] <08@Diamond> I guess rust is base spell?
[5:50am] <08@kartaker> use rust
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> you can have any stack hit that and win
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> or if you see it 4th
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> you can be treant/any combo of bear drake ee
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> RA candle
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> on bf stachel
[5:51am] <08@kartaker> ya
[5:51am] <08@kartaker> if they run fliers you can use CH/vial
[5:51am] <08@Diamond> candles are expensive :(
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> if you see SOL/carpet or BF/carpet
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> no
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> CH carpet
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> if you see them flying
[5:51am] <04@jaspiaN> you WANT To actually hit
[5:51am] <08@overaway> well
[5:51am] <08@kartaker> CH/carpet is expensive
[5:51am] <08@overaway> i blocked
[5:51am] <08@overaway> all green hits on me
[5:52am] <08@kartaker> id rather go CH/vial
[5:52am] <08@overaway> being som/bf
[5:52am] <08@overaway> on s1
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> kartaker
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> thats bad
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> cuz if you get vial in
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> you still have 0% chance of winning
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> if you get carpet in
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> you have 50% chance
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> you basically did a waste hit
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> if you do vial
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> ---
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> if you see white on brooch
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> you can still win a reg
[5:52am] <08@kartaker> yeah but carpet might not be enough
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> with ra or candle in
[5:52am] <04@jaspiaN> you have to get something in
[5:53am] <04@jaspiaN> ------------------
[5:53am] <04@jaspiaN> attacking greens
[5:53am] <04@jaspiaN> CH/xxx are the easiest
[5:53am] <08@kartaker> ive used CH before without vial and i do no damage
[5:53am] <04@jaspiaN> cuz it has the lowest damage output
[5:53am] <08@kartaker> cant wait to get mass nix
[5:53am] <04@jaspiaN> the biggest toss up is your EEs
[5:53am] <04@jaspiaN> usually having EEs is unsafe when hitting greens
[5:53am] <04@jaspiaN> cuz treants dont do shit to each other
[5:53am] <04@jaspiaN> but hitting from 125%
[5:54am] <04@jaspiaN> your treants will actually barely do enough
[5:54am] <04@jaspiaN> to win
[5:54am] <08@kartaker> you can use flame blade on treants
[5:54am] <04@jaspiaN> a reg on CH/xxx is a 50%ish win
[5:54am] <04@jaspiaN> with any spell or item in
[5:54am] <04@jaspiaN> its 100% win
[5:54am] <08@kartaker> if you get flame blade, 100% win against treants
[5:54am] <04@jaspiaN> obviously RA or brooch
[5:55am] <04@jaspiaN> hit greens with brooch if you are uncertain of assign
[5:55am] <04@jaspiaN> cuz if you get a web in
[5:55am] <04@jaspiaN> and hes ash
[5:55am] <04@jaspiaN> then its completely wasted
[5:55am] <04@jaspiaN> but if hes ash and you brooch
[5:55am] <04@jaspiaN> its all G in the hood
[5:55am] <08@kartaker> i usually use RA/brooch
[5:55am] <04@jaspiaN> brooch is enough to secure a win
[5:55am] <08@kartaker> when would you use Flame blade though
[5:55am] <08@kartaker> instead of RA
[5:55am] <04@jaspiaN> if i really am feeling like taking chances
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> FB will win
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> i FB when i wanna siege cuz im bored
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> enough to take the lower% win chance
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> but the problem is
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> i HAVE to get FB in
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> but if im RA/brooch
[5:56am] <08@kartaker> and not lose conc
[5:56am] <08@Diamond> why is fb worse than ra?
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> yes and FB is about 1/5 fail chance
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> not worth it
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> when you can win easily with RA
[5:56am] <08@kartaker> FB has chance of losing concentration
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> you dont need FB to win
[5:56am] <04@jaspiaN> RA is enough
[5:56am] <08@kartaker> yup
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> if you know hes on RA//ash
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> you can FB carpet
[5:57am] <08@kartaker> you need FB if hes RA/ash
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> i guess i FB on ra ash mostly
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> i still reg though
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> i used to be all about the sieges
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> i would never reg
[5:57am] <08@kartaker> i hate reg
[5:57am] <08@kartaker> barely and land
[5:57am] <08@kartaker> any*
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> oh yea
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> when you are low
[5:57am] <04@jaspiaN> all siege
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> all day everyday
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> reg is up higher
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> if you attack xxx/carpet greens
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> CH/carpet
[5:58am] <08@ian|wrk> what about when you are blue
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> same principle as the white
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> you want to actually hit
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> you can still beat greens with just basic hits
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> especially if you engage his EEs
[5:58am] <04@jaspiaN> ---
[5:59am] <04@jaspiaN> sorry what ian?
[5:59am] <08@kartaker> you are blue and want to hit green?
[5:59am] <08@ian|wrk> no - i just meant siege vs reg as blue
[5:59am] <04@jaspiaN> as a blue?
[6:00am] <04@jaspiaN> most of blue is ranged
[6:00am] <04@jaspiaN> there is NO SIEGE PENALTY against flying units
[6:00am] <04@jaspiaN> so if you are hitting somebody with alot of fliers
[6:00am] <04@jaspiaN> you siege
[6:00am] <04@jaspiaN> the 2nd thing that sets your decision
[6:00am] <04@jaspiaN> is what is his forts at
[6:00am] <08@ian|wrk> if he has the HP bonus you reg
[6:00am] <04@jaspiaN> they get fort bonus for forts over .67%
[6:01am] <04@jaspiaN> most blues will siege though
[6:01am] <04@jaspiaN> cuz they tend to hit targets who have fliers
[6:01am] <04@jaspiaN> etc
[6:02am] <04@jaspiaN> k back to green attacking
[6:02am] <04@jaspiaN> -----
[6:02am] <04@jaspiaN> attacking blacks
[6:03am] <08@kartaker> SoL
[6:03am] <04@jaspiaN> fuck that shit nigger not worth if unless you wanna restack for anti devils
[6:03am] <04@jaspiaN> -----
[6:03am] <04@jaspiaN> attacking blues
[6:03am] <04@jaspiaN> blues is pretty tough if they are on slow web
[6:03am] <08@kartaker> you have to get ash in
[6:03am] <04@jaspiaN> and slow will auto negate your bears and drakes
[6:03am] <04@jaspiaN> but if you are mass treants EE
[6:03am] <04@jaspiaN> 80% chance for treants to resist
[6:03am] <04@jaspiaN> so if they are slow /xxx
[6:04am] <04@jaspiaN> you have some chance
[6:04am] <04@jaspiaN> or slow carpet
[6:04am] <08@kartaker> if they have web, you cant win unless you get ash in
[6:04am] <04@jaspiaN> the main thing you need to know about blues are
[6:04am] <04@jaspiaN> almost all of their shit
[6:04am] <04@jaspiaN> tanks melee well
[6:04am] <08@kartaker> they usually have lich
[6:04am] <04@jaspiaN> WE levs lich
[6:04am] <04@jaspiaN> MRs have 75% decent
[6:04am] <04@jaspiaN> so assuming you find a blue on some trash assign
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> like para/not carpet
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> and not web
[6:05am] <08@kartaker> para/candle
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> you have to do the 2nd round of analysis
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> seeing what his top ground is
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> you can blow up levs with a FB or candle
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> WEs have 100% melee resist
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> i just ignore that blue
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> if i see it
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> slow/carpet is pretty tough
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> cuz you have to CH carpet
[6:05am] <04@jaspiaN> and then you gotta see what their top stack is
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> if you can even beat it without spell or item bonus damage effects
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> you can beat Uni top
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> which nobody really does much anymore
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> but uni top ground you can break
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> if they arent fliers
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> basically just check assigns
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> and watch for WE lev lich
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> we is a no go
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> lev FB or candle can win
[6:06am] <04@jaspiaN> lich SOL or candle can win
[6:07am] <04@jaspiaN> MRs ra candle
[6:07am] <04@jaspiaN> though if you are just mass trees hitting MR
[6:07am] <04@jaspiaN> you can use vial
[6:07am] <04@jaspiaN> but if you have ees candle would probably be better
[6:07am] <04@jaspiaN> to benefit the ees
[6:07am] <04@jaspiaN> but you gotta really take a look at the situation
[6:07am] <08@kartaker> right
[6:08am] <04@jaspiaN> anything else
[6:09am] <08@kartaker> does green need to have NF on
[6:09am] <08@kartaker> i dont like using it
[6:09am] <08@kartaker> upkeep is high
[6:09am] <04@jaspiaN> yes
[6:09am] <04@jaspiaN> nf is vital
[6:09am] <08@ian|wrk> yea talk dirty to me about blue def assigns & offensive spells
[6:10am] <04@jaspiaN> in short
[6:10am] <04@jaspiaN> NF gives you about 3000 treants per run
[6:10am] <04@jaspiaN> thats 12 turns worth of treant cast
[6:10am] <04@jaspiaN> and 120k mana which is well say 8 more turns of MP charging
[6:10am] <04@jaspiaN> so it saves you about 20 turns per run
[6:11am] <04@jaspiaN> now when you factor in upkeep a bit
[6:11am] <08@kartaker> upkeep is 500 though
[6:11am] <04@jaspiaN> its 90k
[6:11am] <04@jaspiaN> so its back down to about 14 turns of savings
[6:11am] <04@jaspiaN> per run
[6:11am] <04@jaspiaN> there is no downside
[6:11am] <04@jaspiaN> its only upside
[6:11am] <08@kartaker> there is one downside
[6:11am] <08@kartaker> if you get onlined while having huge amounts of dryad/nymphs
[6:11am] <08@kartaker> that you didnt disband in itme
[6:11am] <08@kartaker> its happened
[6:11am] <04@jaspiaN> cuz you played bad then
[6:12am] <08@overaway> lol
[6:12am] <08@kartaker> thats the reason i stopped using it
[6:12am] <08@kartaker> cuz it generated so many dryad/nymph and i got onlined
[6:12am] <04@jaspiaN> you complaint is also flawed
[6:12am] <04@jaspiaN> you were getting onlined anyways
[6:12am] <04@jaspiaN> you would haev had a smaller army
[6:12am] <04@jaspiaN> which you might have lost either way
[6:12am] <04@jaspiaN> in some aspects
[6:12am] <04@jaspiaN> the drayd nymph fake power
[6:13am] <08@kartaker> not really, the dyrads and nymphs were wiped
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> can prevent you from getting onlined
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> by powering you up
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> either way
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> you disband them as you see fit
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> nobody runs the whole run
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> without disbadning them
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> a couple of times
[6:13am] <08@kartaker> i wish you could turn off the dyrad and nymph generation
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> its not that hard
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> just disband them as you are going
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> its inefficient to keep them anyways
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> 3 seconds
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> done
[6:13am] <08@IlIllIlI> Just keep two windows ope
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> play whatever you wanna do
[6:13am] <08@IlIllIlI> one on the disband page
[6:13am] <04@jaspiaN> yes
[6:14am] <08@kartaker> its just another thing to worry about while you are mp charging, and summoning
[6:14am] <08@IlIllIlI> refresh it every 10 turns
[6:14am] <08@IlIllIlI> disband
[6:14am] <08@ian|wrk> omg fuck off with the dryad/nymph talk
[6:14am] <08@kartaker> lol
[6:14am] <04@jaspiaN> yea kartaker NF is all upside
[6:14am] <08@ian|wrk> i think we could learn something better than this
[6:14am] <04@jaspiaN> the nymph and drayds is not a problem except from human error
[6:14am] <08@kartaker> hahaha
[6:15am] <08@kartaker> i hate NF
[6:15am] <04@jaspiaN> use it
[6:15am] <04@jaspiaN> dont be a shitty
[6:15am] <08@kartaker> dryads and numphs suck
[6:15am] <08@IlIllIlI> That's why you disband them
[6:16am] <08@kartaker> if you mp charge 50 turns, they become huge
[6:16am] <04@jaspiaN> yea
[6:16am] <08@kartaker> and drain mana
[6:16am] <08@ian|wrk> OMFG STILL
[6:16am] <08@ian|wrk> stop
[6:16am] <04@jaspiaN> and disband them right after
[6:16am] <08@ian|wrk> pls
[6:16am] <04@jaspiaN> kartaker
[6:16am] <04@jaspiaN> you really need to handle your stuff
[6:16am] <08@IlIllIlI> There's a very little difference in time spent if you charge 10 or 50.
[6:17am] <04@jaspiaN> ian
[6:17am] <08@IlIllIlI> Unless you're playing on a cell-phone or something
[6:17am] <04@jaspiaN> any other stuff you had questions about?
[6:19am] <04@jaspiaN> or diamond
[6:19am] <04@jaspiaN> or anybody
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